Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ told you that you should call no man on earth "Father"

AL MASIH IS A PROPHET JUST LIKE THE FATHER OF MANKIND.


SO JESUS CHRIST TOLD YOU TO STAY AWAY FROM THE NAKED TRUTH


THIS BOY WHAT BRAND OF COLORADO WEED DO YOU NORMALLY SMOKE

Kobojunkie:
Again, Jesus Christ is God's Law to us..the New Covenant agreement between God and individual man and this Law applies in the Kingdom of God.

And we are called to accept and obey His teachings and commandments, God's Law and Truth in all things. So all of our relationships with our fellow man, regardless of the special tags we give them, are subject to the very same laws with no special laws set aside only for those married.

God cannot contradict His own self...only man is able to do that. Since what is written in Ephesians clearly goes against what God declared to us through Jesus Christ, there is only one obvious answer to that qiesoj question you ask.

Please How is what Paul said in Ephesians Contradictory ?

blaise26abj:


Please How is what Paul said in Ephesians Contradictory ?

1. Jesus Christ declared that His followers are never to rule over the others in any way. That He alone is

* Law
* Teacher
* Head/Master
* Leader/Authority
* Helper
* Counselor
* Shepherd/Guide

Over each one who belongs to Him . He comands that His followers submit to and obey Him and only Him - we are to live by every Word of His. Jesus also warned His followers not to occupy any such role over the others- Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10.

So when Paul supposedly states that a woman should submit to her husband, this is in violation of Jesus Christ's Law.

And when Paul supposedly states that a man is Head over a woman, this is in violation of Christ's comandment.

Snitch24:
Normally
Feminism na crazy idea
A woman cannever be like a man

And neither can a man ever be like a woman!
But it is feminism about a woman being like a man?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ declared that His followers are never to rule over the others in any way. That He alone is

* Law
* Teacher
* Head/Master
* Leader/Authority
* Helper
* Counselor
* Shepherd/Guide

Over each one who belongs to Him . He comands that His followers submit to and obey Him and only Him - we are to live by every Word of His. Jesus also warned His followers not to occupy any such role over the others- Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10.

So when Paul supposedly states that a woman should submit to her husband, this is in violation of Jesus Christ's Law.

And when Paul supposedly states that a man is Head over a woman, this is in violation of Christ's comandment.

This was in relation to marriage and none other . God created Adam and gave him Eve from his ribs ( that is one became two but yet are one hence the verse saying a man who finds a wife, will leave his parents and become ONE ) to be his “helper” . If someone designed to be your helper refuses to do so , then the person has erred . A machine designed to make coffee but makes tea instead of coffee has failed in its purpose . That is God’s purpose for Marriage . A woman that doesn’t submit to her husband is not fulfilling God’s purpose for her .

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ declared that His followers are never to rule over the others in any way. That He alone is

* Law
* Teacher
* Head/Master
* Leader/Authority
* Helper
* Counselor
* Shepherd/Guide

Over each one who belongs to Him . He comands that His followers submit to and obey Him and only Him - we are to live by every Word of His. Jesus also warned His followers not to occupy any such role over the others- Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10.

So when Paul supposedly states that a woman should submit to her husband, this is in violation of Jesus Christ's Law.

And when Paul supposedly states that a man is Head over a woman, this is in violation of Christ's comandment.

I personally think you saying Paul was wrong or contradicted what God or Jesus said about marriage is wrong .
He talked about husbands loving their wives like you love yourself. It’s still in line with Jesus teaching .

A helper is a person or thing that helps or gives assistance, support, etc.. A wife who cannot submit to you CANNOT HELP you .

jesusjnr2020:
Some women who God has used to greater effect as Smith Wigglesworth's wife actually questioned their husband when he had strayed from the faith and began to demand things of her that were not of God.

She told him that he was her husband but that Jesus was her Lord!

That was the saving grace of the husband as he was hence restored back to the faith, and would never play with his wife afterwards. That's probably why we hardly have women of such such spiritual calibre these days, because they have made their husbands to take the place of God as the Lord and Master of their lives, hence God cannot use them for much because He cannot share His position with any man.

Moreover, the wife of Abraham questioned her husband concerning Hagar and her son Ishmael, that it was said to have grieved Abraham much, but God told him to hearken to his wife's voice.

Genesis 21:12 (KJV)

And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

So you can actually see that even though it's what men love to hear, this saying of a woman not questioning her husband and being demonic is not of God but of men.

God bless

Nothing wrong with a woman correcting her husband that's gone/going astray. However, the man's error(s) should be pointed out to him with love and respect, and not with nagging and disrespect.

But this is even not the issue christian leaders have with feminists.

The issue is that feminists want to usurp the divine heirachy in a marriage union. They want to be equal with their husband. But God is not an author of chaos and there's heirachy in all his institutions. The bible says the husband is the head of the wife...simple.

God opposes rebellion: Remember what happened to Lucifer, the beautiful archangel, who did not want to accept God's Lordship and instead strove to become God's equal? Turned into a demon. Feminists.....change your ways o....

blaise26abj:

I personally think you saying Paul was wrong or contradicted what God or Jesus said about marriage is wrong .
He talked about husbands loving their wives like you love yourself. It’s still in line with Jesus teaching .

A helper is a person or thing that helps or gives assistance, support, etc.. A wife who cannot submit to you CANNOT HELP you .

The Spirit of God is given to those who belong to Jesus Christ as their Helper and He commands, Teaches, Guides/Shepherds, Counsels, Comforts and also provides for us. Are you suggesting that the Spirit of God has to first submit to us before He can help us?

blaise26abj:

This was in relation to marriage and none other . God created Adam and gave him Eve from his ribs ( that is one became two but yet are one hence the verse saying a man who finds a wife, will leave his parents and become ONE ) to be his “helper” . If someone designed to be your helper refuses to do so , then the person has erred . A machine designed to make coffee but makes tea instead of coffee has failed in its purpose . That is God’s purpose for Marriage . A woman that doesn’t submit to her husband is not fulfilling God’s purpose for her .

1. Again, a Helper is not as defined by man but by God Himself. God did not first ask Adam's opinion before creating Eve as his Helper. So, it was not that Eve's role as a Helper was conditioned on man's opinion or desires. No, God designed the woman as Helper for the man according to His own plan.

2. Now, one other thing you need to understand here is this. God did not design a woman for a man. It was Eve that God designed specifically for Adam and this because God saw that Adam was alone and so, He took from Adam to make him a helper to fit.

God instead made man Male and Female and as Jesus Christ said, He made some Eunuchs from birth, while some decided to live as eunuchs so they can focus on doing the work God has for them.

11 He answered, “This statement is true for some, but not for everyone—only for those who have been given this gift. 12 There are different reasons why some men don’t marry.[d] Some were born without the ability to produce children. Others were made that way later in life. And others have given up marriage because of God’s kingdom. This is for anyone who is able to accept it.” - Matthew 19 vs 11 - 12.

God made them male and female female His purpose and His purpose alone..

WibusJaga:
I stand with the Oyedepos on this one. Any woman that is not ready to submit to a man as head of the home, all in the name of Feminism, should not think of marriage at all.

Absolutely..no normal guy should marry a feminist except he wants to fail in marriage

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of God is given to those who belong to Jesus Christ as their Helper and He commands, Teaches, Guides/Shepherds, Counsels, Comforts and also provides for us. Are you suggesting that the Spirit of God has to first submit to us before He can help us?

The Holy Spirit was given to us for some specific purposes and helper isn’t the sole reason .. So your argument is null . Within the institution of marriage , the woman is the helper of the man and that includes submission .
See kobojunkie we can go on and on , Whichever way you want to look at it , you have your convictions and I have mine . Let the Holy Spirit prevail and Guide us . Selah. Nice conversation though

Akuruoulo:

I don't know where u are heading to ?

You don't need to know because it is a straight forward question.
I suspect you don't want to answer question because you and the original OP are afraid
of what it could reveal about you.

blaise26abj:

The Holy Spirit was given to us for some specific purposes and helper isn’t the sole reason .. So your argument is null . Within the institution of marriage , the woman is the helper of the man and that includes submission .
See kobojunkie we can go on and on , Whichever way you want to look at it , you have your convictions and I have mine . Let the Holy Spirit prevail and Guide us . Selah. Nice conversation though

1. The point here is the Holy Spirit is given us as a Helper and since that does not dictate that He is to submit to us, then you are not then to assume that a Helper is meant to submit to you in any way or form.

2. Marriage existed before the curse of submission was placed by God on woman. So to now suggest that marriage includes submission is to deny God's plan from the beginning, as Jesus Christ reinstated it in His Law - Matthew 19 vs 4.

3. The Spirit of God will never contradict the Word of God, Jesus Christ. So be aware of that.

4. Also recall that it is against God's Law to add or remove or even change His teachings and commandments. No man or being has authority to do such. So teaching the doctrines and traditions of men to God's Law(in God's name) is against God and those who do so are under curse.

jesusjnr2020:
Some women who God has used to greater effect as Smith Wigglesworth's wife actually questioned their husband when he had strayed from the faith and began to demand things of her that were not of God.

She told him that he was her husband but that Jesus was her Lord!

That was the saving grace of the husband as he was hence restored back to the faith, and would never play with his wife afterwards. That's probably why we hardly have women of such such spiritual calibre these days, because they have made their husbands to take the place of God as the Lord and Master of their lives, hence God cannot use them for much because He cannot share His position with any man.

Moreover, the wife of Abraham questioned her husband concerning Hagar and her son Ishmael, that it was said to have grieved Abraham much, but God told him to hearken to his wife's voice.

Genesis 21:12 (KJV)

And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

So you can actually see that even though it's what men love to hear, this saying of a woman not questioning her husband and being demonic is not of God but of men.

God bless

Excellent analogy! May wisdom never elude you.

I see where Faith Oyedepo is coming from (although choice of words) and I also agree with your view.

Submission to ones husband and correcting him can both go hand in hand. They aren't mutually exclusive. And I'm sure she knows that.
Like someone mentioned God isn't an author of confusion.

Funny thing is some believers and "unbelievers" will hide behind this to mask their insecurities, oppressive, arrogant, and irresponsible lifestyle. Oh well!!!

Fountainofyouth:



A billion blessings to you.

i say amen. however there is a huge gap between challenging and critique. we all know the success of a man defeats feminist core goals.

Oga with long write up, she didn't say a woman can't question a man. Read to understand

jesusjnr2020:
Some women who God has used to greater effect as Smith Wigglesworth's wife actually questioned their husband when he had strayed from the faith and began to demand things of her that were not of God.

She told him that he was her husband but that Jesus was her Lord!

That was the saving grace of the husband as he was hence restored back to the faith, and would never play with his wife afterwards. That's probably why we hardly have women of such such spiritual calibre these days, because they have made their husbands to take the place of God as the Lord and Master of their lives, hence God cannot use them for much because He cannot share His position with any man.

Moreover, the wife of Abraham questioned her husband concerning Hagar and her son Ishmael, that it was said to have grieved Abraham much, but God told him to hearken to his wife's voice.

Genesis 21:12 (KJV)

And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

So you can actually see that even though it's what men love to hear, this saying of a woman not questioning her husband and being demonic is not of God but of men.

God bless

jesusjnr2020:
Some women who God has used to greater effect as Smith Wigglesworth's wife actually questioned their husband when he had strayed from the faith and began to demand things of her that were not of God.

She told him that he was her husband but that Jesus was her Lord!

That was the saving grace of the husband as he was hence restored back to the faith, and would never play with his wife afterwards. That's probably why we hardly have women of such such spiritual calibre these days, because they have made their husbands to take the place of God as the Lord and Master of their lives, hence God cannot use them for much because He cannot share His position with any man.

Moreover, the wife of Abraham questioned her husband concerning Hagar and her son Ishmael, that it was said to have grieved Abraham much, but God told him to hearken to his wife's voice.

Genesis 21:12 (KJV)

And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

So you can actually see that even though it's what men love to hear, this saying of a woman not questioning her husband and being demonic is not of God but of men.

God bless

Are you ok sir?
From what you just said, the man was derailing from the things of God. That's not questioning, that's cautioning. Plus, I do not think you grab her context of questioning. Please, slow down with your fingers on the keyboard or is it bad for MTN or Glo or Airtel or whatever SIM you use to browse to agree to sell data for you ni??

KomsaNsg:

Are you ok sir?
From what you just said, the man was derailing from the things of God. That's not questioning, that's cautioning. Plus, I do not think you grab her context of questioning. Please, slow down with your fingers on the keyboard or is it bad for MTN or Glo or Airtel or whatever SIM you use to browse to agree to sell data for you ni??

Are you certain you read what the woman said at all?

Any woman or women’s organization that attempts to question the position of the man in the family should be regarded as being under a demonic influence. God expects that just as the Church is subject to Christ in everything, even so, women should be in subjection to their husbands in everything.

If a woman is in subjection to her husband in everything how does she question him when he is derailing. How can she even begin to know when he is derailing?

Monman56:
Oga with long write up, she didn't say a woman can't question a man. Read to understand

Are you certain you read what the woman said at all?

Any woman or women’s organization that attempts to question the position of the man in the family should be regarded as being under a demonic influence. God expects that just as the Church is subject to Christ in everything, even so, women should be in subjection to their husbands in everything.

If a woman is in subjection to her husband in everything how does she question him when he is the author of everything for her?

jesusjnr2020:
Some women who God has used to greater effect as Smith Wigglesworth's wife actually questioned their husband when he had strayed from the faith and began to demand things of her that were not of God.

She told him that he was her husband but that Jesus was her Lord!

That was the saving grace of the husband as he was hence restored back to the faith, and would never play with his wife afterwards. That's probably why we hardly have women of such such spiritual calibre these days, because they have made their husbands to take the place of God as the Lord and Master of their lives, hence God cannot use them for much because He cannot share His position with any man.

Moreover, the wife of Abraham questioned her husband concerning Hagar and her son Ishmael, that it was said to have grieved Abraham much, but God told him to hearken to his wife's voice.

Genesis 21:12 (KJV)

And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

So you can actually see that even though it's what men love to hear, this saying of a woman not questioning her husband and being demonic is not of God but of men.

God bless

She questioned her husband's faith not her husband's authority @least according to you.... those are two different things the later is what feminism is all about.
why not tell them what led to Gen 11:12, apparently sarah was angry cos hagar mocked her lil baby, she desired hagar won't be part of abraham inheritance. Abraham listened to God not sarah, if God have not put mouth would abraham grant it, Gen11:11 disagree

You smartly forgot the same sarah followed Abraham sheeply to an unknown land when God ask him to leave is father land.
when God ask abraham to sacrifice isaac, if he were to listen to sarah, would he even enter bathroom not to talk of living the house with isaac. You shot yourself in the foot with the sarah you go mention. not all nigerians are lazy thinkers. okay

AmazonTopaz:


LMAO,who gave him authority?authority men gave to men for themselves can always be challenged.It is not utter nonsense.

Yes the institution called marriage is changing and re-evaluating hence why we have contract marriages and other kinds of marriages where the women take the front seat not all marriages are the same or live by the same ethics and standards.

All what you have mentioned has been on since time immemorial and will continue to be there

The question remains Modern marriage vs ideal marriage which as being more successful, it is changing it re evaluating all that one naa grammar the reasonable question remains, is modern marriage working. what does the divorce rate posit

jesusjnr2020:
Some women who God has used to greater effect as Smith Wigglesworth's wife actually questioned their husband when he had strayed from the faith and began to demand things of her that were not of God.

She told him that he was her husband but that Jesus was her Lord!

That was the saving grace of the husband as he was hence restored back to the faith, and would never play with his wife afterwards. That's probably why we hardly have women of such such spiritual calibre these days, because they have made their husbands to take the place of God as the Lord and Master of their lives, hence God cannot use them for much because He cannot share His position with any man.

Moreover, the wife of Abraham questioned her husband concerning Hagar and her son Ishmael, that it was said to have grieved Abraham much, but God told him to hearken to his wife's voice.

Genesis 21:12 (KJV)

And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

So you can actually see that even though it's what men love to hear, this saying of a woman not questioning her husband and being demonic is not of God but of men.

God bless

This is simple English and logic...
Questioning the husband is different from questioning his position
You can always air your opinion to a man you are married to, a woman is not a slave and must be loved and treated with respect but the Bible says she must submit and you only submit to someone who is above you hence a man's position is placed higher than the woman
To make it beautiful the Bible commands the man to love the wife and there's mutuality in that two of them becomes equal
A man can't be stupid or someone with a very bad life style and the wife shldnt question him based on such but that doesn't change his position as the head of the home...
In a nutshell to question someone is not same as questioning their position I stand with bishops wife

blaise26abj:


If she is no longer comfortable in the backseat ? Then she should get out . It’s against Christian family values .You just confirmed what I said feminism is setting up women against their husbands in Christian marriages. Hence the high divorce rates and why the church must stand against feminism in Christian marriages .
If the man is ok with it, no problem . A functional family is to the advantage of the society .

Lol . Then you can never dream of being a Muslim if you want marriage .
My point is Feminists must stop pushing their agenda into Christian marriages . They are responsible for some broken marriages that were otherwise fine

They are trying to integrate feminism to xtain marriages because they know xtainity tolerate nonsense ... why are feminist so silence about muslims doctrines concerning marriage, seems feminism is selective in all course why are muslims marriages left out

Kobojunkie:
Luke 20 vs 34 - 36.. the Children of this world marry and are given in marriage...

were you expecting him to say the children of heaven marry nii, abi brain is paining you nii.
Was it not @ a wedding jesus turn wedding to wine. who needs a wedding in heaven. some of you aint mentally fit for conversations.

reddingtonblack:

Mwere you expecting him to say the children of heaven marry nii, abi brain is paining you nii.
Was it not @ a wedding jesus turn wedding to wine. who needs a wedding in heaven. some of you aint mentally fit for conversations.

Engage your brain and read that there passages... Jesus Christ makes it clear that your marriages are of this world and not of His Kingdom. Marriages begin and end here on earth so they have nothing to do with the Kingdom of God. Even the marriage vows many of you submit to reads ".... till death do you part..."

Jesus Christ turned water into wine at a wedding does not then mean weddings and marriages are of His Kingdom. This isn't hard to grasp.

WibusJaga:
I stand with the Oyedepos on this one. Any woman that is not ready to submit to a man as head of the home, all in the name of Feminism, should not think of marriage at all.

Men need to work on being worthy of respect and submission too

Even feminists will be happy to submit to a man worthy of respect. The problem is many men demand respect instead of working to earn it

MyVILLAGEpeople:
When we keep telling these so called feminists this reality, they yell at us.

No man wants to marry another man. Women must understand that, the man is the authority in a marriage and the woman is meant to be under his authority.

Not all women are the same. It's better to have a loving and caring man worthy of respect than to marry a man who demands respect without doing anything to earn it

Women love men who are dependable, reliable, and worthy of respect. Not many men like them out there

Kobojunkie:
I really don't care about your man's resume.
What instead concerns me are the lies he spews in the name of God. Jesus Christ warned His followers against these false teachers and false prophets such as this man who will tell lies in his name.

Bishop Oyedepo isn't my man, but a man of God.
The height of disregard u show towards him says a lot about u if u actually know the scripture the way u claim so?
Why can't u get Ur own followers instead of coming against anything Bishop Oyedepo says?
I definitely know that u are not a Born again Christian

Tobechuckwu:

Bishop Oyedepo isn't my man, but a man of God.
The height of disregard u show towards him says a lot about u if u actually know the scripture the way u claim so?
Why can't u get Ur own followers instead of coming against anything Bishop Oyedepo says?
I definitely know that u are not a Born again Christian

Again, I don't care about his resume or what you think to me as what matters to me is what Jesus Christ teaches and commands.

Kobojunkie:
Again, I don't care about his resume or what you think to me as what matters to me is what Jesus Christ teaches and commands.

Are you a born again Christian?

Tobechuckwu:
Are you a born again Christian?

Again, I don't care about his resume or what you think to me as what matters to me is what Jesus Christ teaches and commands.