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AmazonTopaz:
If we are to go by biblical standard apostle Paul doesn't expect women to speak in the church and even have authority over a man in anything including being their boss.

He also said women shouldn't have adornments etc why do Christian wives like Faith Oyedepo and Mildred Okonkwo skip these parts and preach in the church

Where did feminist even say women shouldn't respect their husbands and submit if they choose go Every marriage has what works for them and people like me a submission doesn't work for me but do you see me telling women how to live their marriages unless that is what I would do if I were in their shoes so why these blanket general advice

Solid points! I'll see their counter points.

I am busy now I will be going offline soon but I am going to create a thread later.

Have a wonderful day dear will mention you later during our feminist roundtable discussion

Okay. Have a wonderful day, too, Awesome!

Which people?

batb:
Who are these people!

Magnoliaa:
I meann? I pray not. Ma own theory is that maybe sistas in the lord who were erstwhile groomed are breaking the yoke of subjugation chains, hence all these missiles. Feminism must be really shaking things and threatening fire and brimstone o. And fact is, all these attacks are even emboldening me the more. I swear.

Shoutout to all the feminists and allies who have kept engaging in discussions and shredding all their 'illogics' to pieces the past few days (Kobojunkie, BRATISLAVA, AmazonTopaz, LilMissFavvy, Hathor5, apatheticme, WoundedLamb, etc). People are hearing and watching and paying attention! I LOVE what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work! Ya doing well and doing something appreciated.

Yes, we are "mad" and "crazy" and "rebellious" any every adjective you can think of to describe us, but you CAN'T ignore us. You cannot.

Tnks for the mention @Magnoliaa

However, the major things I'm happy about are;

1. People are finally beginning to realize that the Bible, particularly several of Paul's teachings are highly misogynistic, reflecting the level of misogyny in those ancient biblical times when even women and children were not counted during census not to talk of being regarded as humans, except for a few instances where people like Deborah, the only female judge and female leader in Isreal Broke the norm.

2. People are beginning to realize that a lot of Nigerian pastors and so called men of God are unrealistic and practice hypocrisy as a religion. Many of them simply abhor being challenged and want to play the almighty in people's lives as well as in their congregation so that everyone will be shouting sir sir and following them sheepishly. And guess the most sheepish part of church, of course it's the women, the weak ones and they abound everywhere. So they play on their intelligence, manipulate them so that at least if they're submissive at home and behave like simpletons, these Pastors know that they will also be a perfect dumbass sheep in church. Simple logic really, many Pastors use this gimmick a lot.

Many of these pastors, if you happen to be in a higher position of authority to them in society by virtue of your social class, knowledge, position or circles, they kiss your ass even as a woman.

These same pastors quote only the sections of the Bible that suits their own interests, but you would never see them around verses that places curse on most of their sharp practices and money making Ventures in the church as a whole!

Well, I only pity those whose entire livelihood revolve around the Pastor's say!

jesusjnr2020:
Some women who God has used to greater effect as Smith Wigglesworth's wife actually questioned their husband when he had strayed from the faith and began to demand things of her that were not of God.

She told him that he was her husband but that Jesus was her Lord!

That was the saving grace of the husband as he was hence restored back to the faith, and would never play with his wife afterwards. That's probably why we hardly have women of such such spiritual calibre these days, because they have made their husbands to take the place of God as the Lord and Master of their lives, hence God cannot use them for much because He cannot share His position with any man.

Moreover, the wife of Abraham questioned her husband concerning Hagar and her son Ishmael, that it was said to have grieved Abraham much, but God told him to hearken to his wife's voice.

Genesis 21:12 (KJV)

And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

So you can actually see that even though it's what men love to hear, this saying of a woman not questioning her husband and being demonic is not of God but of men.

God bless

Sorry brother but u did not understand the grounds she said what she said. Her comparison was the church and Christ. As Christian's we all revere Jesus Christ as our saviour and the Lord. Just as we dialogue with Jesus Christ through the help of the Holyspirit same way should a wife dialogue with her husband respecting his headship especially in matters that doesn't contradict God's command.it had to do but if u will allow the H.spirit and word of God to mould u then it's possible. Shallom to all d women that have understood this golden rule

jesusjnr2020:
Some women who God has used to greater effect as Smith Wigglesworth's wife actually questioned their husband when he had strayed from the faith and began to demand things of her that were not of God.

She told him that he was her husband but that Jesus was her Lord!

That was the saving grace of the husband as he was hence restored back to the faith, and would never play with his wife afterwards. That's probably why we hardly have women of such such spiritual calibre these days, because they have made their husbands to take the place of God as the Lord and Master of their lives, hence God cannot use them for much because He cannot share His position with any man.

Moreover, the wife of Abraham questioned her husband concerning Hagar and her son Ishmael, that it was said to have grieved Abraham much, but God told him to hearken to his wife's voice.

Genesis 21:12 (KJV)

And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

So you can actually see that even though it's what men love to hear, this saying of a woman not questioning her husband and being demonic is not of God but of men.

God bless

Sorry brother but u did not understand the grounds she said what she said. Her comparison was the church and Christ. As Christian's we all revere Jesus Christ as our saviour and the Lord. Just as we dialogue with Jesus Christ through the help of the Holyspirit same way should a wife dialogue with her husband respecting his headship especially in matters that doesn't contradict God's command.it hard to do but if u will allow the H.spirit and word of God to mould u then it's possible. Shallom to all d women that have understood this golden rule

Judolisco:
bless you sir.. After all deliberations the final decision must be made by the man... Like in d case of Abraham and hagar.. D final decision was made by Abraham... Also d man must be the most spiritual he must be d one who hears from God.. God gave Abraham d final instruction.. Also God gave Adam d instruction not eve so d husband should hear from God and teach his wife.... All dis however applies to a Christian marriage.. If u r of another faith u can make d woman head.. Nothing spoil

There is no such thing as a "Christian" marriage. Jesus Christ told you that your marriages are of this world and not of His Kingdom, so that belief that your marriages are endorsed by Jesus Christ is a lie!

The only kind of marriage that Jesus Christ spoke of was marriage before God cursed man to be head over woman. Jesus Christ came to redeem man and woman from that curse, and so anyone who however chose to live according to that curse does not belong to Him. And i hope you are aware that all those living under a curse, pretending to do so in the name of God, will never enter into Heaven.

Yes o, I will forever stand for the truth, despite my religious beliefs, because I have studied the word and know the truth. I can only be brainwashed with the truth, not with incomplete doctrines, sexism, oppression of women, etc. Thumps up to you too magnolia!

Magnoliaa:
I meann? I pray not. Ma own theory is that maybe sistas in the lord who were erstwhile groomed are breaking the yoke of subjugation chains, hence all these missiles. Feminism must be really shaking things and threatening fire and brimstone o. And fact is, all these attacks are even emboldening me the more. I swear.

Shoutout to all the feminists and allies who have kept engaging in discussions and shredding all their 'illogics' to pieces the past few days (Kobojunkie, BRATISLAVA, AmazonTopaz, LilMissFavvy, Hathor5, apatheticme, WoundedLamb, etc). People are hearing and watching and paying attention! I LOVE what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work! Ya doing well and doing something appreciated.

Yes, we are "mad" and "crazy" and "rebellious" any every adjective you can think of to describe us, but you CAN'T ignore us. You cannot.

Magnoliaa:
Proudly feminist here, too.

I will be looking forward to that! The thread, that is.

What's your outlook towards dating and marriage as a feminist.

Do you have a preference for a specific type of man or you would prefer to not date at all?

AmazonTopaz:
The earlier you realize that this is 2021 not biblical times and the tidings have changed including marriages the better for you


Men should just learn to adjust.

This is what have being saying ,men just need to adjust to reality.

Anyway the message is not for women that are married to demonic and wicked men,
If your husband is taking you to shrine do not question him ooo, just follow him so he can kill you, because one mummy Go, said so. Apart from following her husband up and down what is her vision and what has she done for humanity.






uote author=CatANDratTHEORY post=104753337]Wife to the General Overseer and President of Living Faith Church Worldwide, Faith Oyedepo has flayed feminist groups in a fresh social media post.

The woman of God in her post said any woman or women’s organization which attempts to question the position of the man in the family should be regarded as being under the influence of demons.

Oyedepo’s wife said this in a post on her verified Facebook page.

The renowned pastor’s wife said women should be in subjection to their husbands in everything.

Her post read:



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4179202585460507&id=448014781912658[/quote]

Kccheechy:
the way some of us interprete The Bible can be very mischievous and annoying. So many so called Christians do not want to follow the teachings of the Bible despite how straightforward it is. Was man ruling over woman the only curse that came over the woman?? What happened to painful child bearing?? What happened to man eating out of his sweat from toiling?? What happened to humans returning to dust after death?? Now you claim that Jesus came and redeemed us from these curses but has painful childbearing stopped?? Why does man still have to work for his daily bread?? do not try to sound smart. and for your information, Adam’s marriage to eve was conducted outside the garden. In fact, weeks after they left the garden. Also know that there are no female angels in heaven.

Neither are there male angels.

When you were sick, your husband took you to the best hospital , and stood by you, some women , are married to demon and wicked men, once they are sick, the man dumps them and bring a side chic home, or visit a side chic in the house they purchase for her, madam stop talking about marriage because you are married to a pastor that has submitted to God and treats you well,
many women are going through hell in the hands of selfish and greredy men, that do not even care about their wellbeing, and you expect such women to obey all such men says ,

Be careful mama.





quotee author=CatANDratTHEORY post=104753337]Wife to the General Overseer and President of Living Faith Church Worldwide, Faith Oyedepo has flayed feminist groups in a fresh social media post.

The woman of God in her post said any woman or women’s organization which attempts to question the position of the man in the family should be regarded as being under the influence of demons.

Oyedepo’s wife said this in a post on her verified Facebook page.

The renowned pastor’s wife said women should be in subjection to their husbands in everything.

Her post read:



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4179202585460507&id=448014781912658[/quote]

Beloved3:
What's your outlook towards dating and marriage as a feminist.

Do you have a preference for a specific type of man or you would prefer to not date at all?

I have always had some basic ideas and expectations about dating before I became a feminist. The main of what changed about me was simply my belief in equality and perspective and what I chaneled my energy into. I'd still be a feminist without the tag, and my perspectives would remain. So the word makes no difference to me at all. I've been me and I'm still me. So about dating, I have no outlook 'as a feminist' because feminism didn't change that. It's just like mixing two different blue paints together. You won't get a change of color, just a richness/thickness. And what that is is not something I can put in a post/single sentence. I believe in a purposeful dating, though. But sometimes, I fantasize about dating for fun or think about what it'll be like. Just to like someone as they are, not paying attention to things like similar values, etc., goals or something big and working towards any aim. My 'outlook' is sprinkled all over my comments on the forum.

Lol. I don't know. I honestly don't know about your second question. I just know what I want subconsciously and I don't like to say it. If I meet the kind of person I want/like, I'll know.

I'm frankly I'm in a phase/stage where I'm trying to figure out somethings now (as you probably know) so I can't give you any specific 'blueprint.' Even if I met the person, I wouldn't want to go into a relationship with them because I'm not "right." I cannot comfortably date the person I want when I am not the person I want yet, or the person they want as well. So I guess I'll say I'll prefer not to date currently. There's no point saying what I want when I'm not going to go for it/take it. I can admire and gush over some qualities in a man, intelligence, care, humor, fineness(I hate as I'm listing this sef, lol) but it still won't be enough for me to want to date them. Those are definately attractive initially. It's like the 'quality of their person.' So it's that quality I'm finding quite hard to describe here. Whether they are atheistic and a drop-out and do not write polished English or they are a spiritually-sound, award winning scholar and polymath and wordsmith. I've been attracted to all. But then I still want to make sure I follow Biblical principles. So I don't know. And I've been comfortable with being single for a long time. And there are times I wished for being in a relationship (normal levels), but what I desire means shit when I still won't take any action as I said up there. I'm not bothered. If external influences start to creep in, I'll go and overdose on Daniel Akpata's advice/Myles Munroe books and I'll be fine again. Or I'll mope it through ballad songs and my imagination.

And see, people say I (like to) talk a lot. Writing and writing and writing. That's literally the same way I see relationships and think about them (hence my response to you).

For now, I'm content with being in a toxic relationship with my writing a blockbuster/bestseller.

Kobojunkie:
There is no such thing as a "Christian" marriage. Jesus Christ told you that your marriages are of this world and not of His Kingdom, so that belief that your marriages are endorsed by Jesus Christ is a lie!

The only kind of marriage that Jesus Christ spoke of was marriage before God cursed man to be head over woman. Jesus Christ came to redeem man and woman from that curse, and so anyone who however chose to live according to that curse does not belong to Him. And i hope you are aware that all those living under a curse, pretending to do so in the name of God, will never enter into Heaven.

Mr kobo... I didn't read

Kobojunkie:
Even though Jesus Christ made it clear that marriages are not of His Kingdom, but of this world, they continue to install themselves as marriage counselors in the name of God.

Marriage was in place before the curse showed up so equality in marriage is not against God but as God created it to be.

After the curse came in however, woman was cursed, condemned by God to be ruled over by man and perish in the end - cease to exist / return to dust when she dies!

However, through Jesus Christ all who believe in Him, including women, are saved from this condemning curse(all those who live under the curse perish much like Adam), and are made equal members of the Kingdom of God.

Sadly, your Mogs have no knowledge of this and so continue to preach lies as sermons in the name of God.

This is going to be long so I urge the reader's patience.

The problem most people have with such posts as Pastor Faith's is in their own preconceived notion on what they think the person is talking about. They therefore, like in your case, end up responding out of cocontext: Kobojunkie, your reply to her post is completely out of context

Before that I'll quickly address this: you outlined that "Jesus Christ made it clear that marriages are not of His Kingdom," (though without scriptural reference) so I can assume that you have some affiliation to Christianity, so you should support such strong assertions on what Christ supposedly said with scripture, else we can assume you're making it up; and such scripture should correctly address the point in question, in the right context (not just some random unconnected quote).

Now to clarify Pastor Faith Oyededo's post:

Her post, I believe, is not trying to declare a husband's superiority over his wife or in regards to the curse in the old testament, but rather is a paraphrased reference of Ephesians 5:22-24 (you should read it before continuing) in response to feminist's misguided incursions into christian marriage, where they question the role and position of the husband as head of the wife in marriage.

She is not saying "don't question your husband," as some of the misguided responses that I have read on the thread assumed, rather it is that you don't question the husband's position as head because then you would be questioning God's wisdom.

Note that this scripture Ephesians 5:22-24, is not talking about superiority or lordship of the husband over the wife, as is often misconstrued by so many, including Pastors and teachers of the word, but rather on the position of the husband as head in the body of marriage: you can see the direct reference and comparison to the body of Christ, not to the kingdom of God. The husband leading or coordinating their marriage has nothing to do with equality

The body of marriage consists of two individuals: the husband and the wife. With the role of head assigned to the husband, he can only be head of two of them. Since he is himself, he can therefore, only be the head of the wife.

The position of the husband as head is not that of a King or ruler but that of a coordinating centre just like the head is the coordinating centre of the body. In every system or institution that God creates, he always puts a coordinating figure to coordinate/lead. Even before Christ ascended, he assigned Peter to coordinate his sheep which is his body, the Church. That's why we have church unit coordinators, Pastors and Bishops, representing Christ as head, leading various units of the body of Christ as cells units, Church branches and denominations.

Marriage/family is the smallest unit of the body of Christ and is hence, subject to His system of coordinating His creation.

You submit to the leadership of your Pastor in church because you recognize the authority of God upon him to lead his Church yet refuse to recognize the authority of God on the husband to lead in marriage just because there's two of you? If your church was made of only you and your Pastor wouldn't you submit to his leadership.

When the scripture says that a wife should submit to her husband, it is not asking a wife to become her husband's slave, submitting to all his whims and caprice, but rather to submit to his role to lead and coordinate their marriage and family. This is the understanding that is lacking in most marriages. And this has nothing to do with the curse in the old testament. It also has nothing to do with equality or inequality as none is superior or inferior to the other in marriage. It's a matter of coordination and leadership.

Without a recognized head or coordinating center, marriages would crumble easily. What you would have would be a cohabitation arrangement, not marriage.

In a nutshell, marriage is more about roles and functions than it is about equality or inequality.

A wife trying to contend with her husband on who leads their marriage is as dumb as a husband contending with the wife on which one of them has the role of child bearing.

If you're going into marriage to go and contest the role of the head, please don't: marriage is not for such a person

A football team of 11 players who are, in a sense, team mates, still have a leader or captain from amongst them who coordinates his mates. The instruction of their coach would be that they all submit to the leadership of the captain of the team on the field of play.

The instruction in the scripture is that wives submit to their husbands as to the Lord (Ephesians 6:22)

A true Christian would accept the thinking of the scriptures as his/hers

Have a blessed day!

Leonel55:
This is going to be long so I urge the reader's patience.

The problem most people have with such posts as Pastor Faith's is in their own preconceived notion on what they think the person is talking about. They therefore, like in your case, end up responding out of cocontext: Kobojunkie, your reply to her post is completely out of context

Before that I'll quickly address this: you outlined that "Jesus Christ made it clear that marriages are not of His Kingdom," (though without scriptural reference) so I can assume that you have some affiliation to Christianity, so you should support such strong assertions on what Christ supposedly said with scripture, else we can assume you're making it up; and such scripture should correctly address the point in question, in the right context (not just some random unconnected quote).

Now to clarify Pastor Faith Oyededo's post:

Her post, I believe, is not trying to declare a husband's superiority over his wife or in regards to the curse in the old testament, but rather is a paraphrased reference of Ephesians 5:22-24 (you should read it before continuing) in response to feminist's misguided incursions into christian marriage, where they question the role and position of the husband as head of the wife in marriage.

She is not saying "don't question your husband," as some of the misguided responses that I have read on the thread assumed, rather it is that you don't question the husband's position as head because then you would be questioning God's wisdom.

Note that this scripture Ephesians 5:22-24, is not talking about superiority or lordship of the husband over the wife, as is often misconstrued by so many, including Pastors and teachers of the word, but rather on the position of the husband as head in the body of marriage: you can see the direct reference and comparison to the body of Christ, not to the kingdom of God. The husband leading or coordinating their marriage has nothing to do with equality

The body of marriage consists of two individuals: the husband and the wife. With the role of head assigned to the husband, he can only be head of two of them. Since he is himself, he can therefore, only be the head of the wife.

The position of the husband as head is not that of a King or ruler but that of a coordinating centre just like the head is the coordinating centre of the body. In every system or institution that God creates, he always puts a coordinating figure to coordinate/lead. Even before Christ ascended, he assigned Peter to coordinate his sheep which is his body, the Church. That's why we have church unit coordinators, Pastors and Bishops, representing Christ as head, leading various units of the body of Christ as cells units, Church branches and denominations.

Marriage/family is the smallest unit of the body of Christ and is hence, subject to His system of coordinating His creation.

You submit to the leadership of your Pastor in church because you recognize the authority of God upon him to lead his Church yet refuse to recognize the authority of God on the husband to lead in marriage just because there's two of you? If your church was made of only you and your Pastor wouldn't you submit to his leadership.

When the scripture says that a wife should submit to her husband, it is not asking a wife to become her husband's slave, submitting to all his whims and caprice, but rather to submit to his role to lead and coordinate their marriage and family. This is the understanding that is lacking in most marriages. And this has nothing to do with the curse in the old testament. It also has nothing to do with equality or inequality as none is superior or inferior to the other in marriage. It's a matter of coordination and leadership.

Without a recognized head or coordinating center, marriages would crumble easily. What you would have would be a cohabitation arrangement, not marriage.

In a nutshell, marriage is more about roles and functions than it is about equality or inequality.

A wife trying to contend with her husband on who leads their marriage is as dumb as a husband contending with the wife on which one of them has the role of child bearing.

If you're going into marriage to go and contest the role of the head, please don't: marriage is not for such a person

A football team of 11 players who are, in a sense, team mates, still have a leader or captain from amongst them who coordinates his mates. The instruction of their coach would be that they all submit to the leadership of the captain of the team on the field of play.

The instruction in the scripture is that wives submit to their husbands as to the Lord (Ephesians 6:22)

A true Christian would accept the thinking of the scriptures as his/hers

Have a blessed day!

The New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, declared that He alone is Head & Master over each person who belongs to Him. And He also condemned the serving of two masters. - Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10

What is written in Ephesians obviously goes against Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law, when it suggests that women are to submit/worship their husbands proclaiming that husbands are heads, this again against Jesus Christ's own decree, over their wives.

So when a husband and his wife obey what is written in Ephesians, they actually do so against Jesus Christ and so are not of Him

misterme:
You missed the point. Mrs Oyedepo said any woman who questions the position of a the husband....... mot any woman who questions her husband. The two mean different things

God created them and female for His purpose - different but equal - humans.

When you have an apple and an orange, both different but equal- fruits, you never assign a position to the one over the other? In much similar manner did not assign position when He created them in the beginning. However, it was when He cursed them that this position you speak of came into being.

So anyone agitating for the maintainable of a curse is herself cursed as she is blind to the folly of her ways. And she does not speak on behalf of God because God will not have anything to do with those He has cursed..

wany:
Neither are there male angels.

hahahahaha...my dear, there are only male angels in heaven o!! Read the book of Enoch for more understanding. Some of the angels in heaven looked down on the earth, saw the beautiful daughters of men and desired to have them. So they came down to earth and had intercourse with the women who gave birth to giants...they wouldn’t lust after women on earth if they were female angels in heaven. God said they he didn’t make women for them because they were not needed in heaven. Men on earth needed women Because man will die and women are here to continue life on earth by bearing children. The angels didn’t need women because they are immortal.

Magnoliaa:
I have always had some basic ideas and expectations about dating before I became a feminist. The main of what changed about me was simply my believe in equality and perspective and what I chaneled my energy into. I'd still be a feminist without the tag, and my perspectives would remain. So the word makes no difference to me at all. I've been me and I'm still me. So about dating, I have no outlook 'as a feminist' because feminism didn't change that. It's just like mixing two different blue paints together. You won't get a change of color, just a richness/thickness. And what that is is not something I can put in a post/single sentence. I believe in a purposeful dating, though. But sometimes, I fantasize about dating for fun or think about what it'll be like. Just to like someone as they are, not paying attention to things like similar values, etc., goals or something big and working towards any aim. My 'outlook' is sprinkled all over my comments on the forum.

Lol. I don't know. I honestly don't know about your second question. I just know what I want subconsciously and I don't like to say it. If I meet the kind of person I want/like, I'll know.

I'm frankly I'm in a phase/stage where I'm trying to figure out somethings now (as you probably know) so I can't give you any specific 'blueprint.' Even if I met the person, I wouldn't want to go into a relationship with them because I'm not "right." I cannot comfortably date the person I want when I am not the person I want yet, or the person they want as well. So I guess I'll say I'll prefer not to date currently. There's no point saying what I want when I'm not going to go for it/take it. I can admire and gush over some qualities in a man, intelligence, care, humor, fineness(I hate as I'm listing this sef, lol) but it still won't be enough for me to want to date them. Those are definately attractive initially. It's like the 'quality of their person.' So it's that quality I'm finding quite hard to describe here. Whether they are atheistic and a drop-out and do not write polished English or they are a spiritually-sound, award winning scholar and polymath and wordsmith. I've been attracted to all. But then I still want to make sure I follow Biblical principles. So I don't know. And I've been comfortable with being single for a long time. And there are times I wished for being in a relationship (normal levels), but what I desire means shit when I still won't take any action as I said up there. I'm not bothered. If external influences start to creep in, I'll go and overdose on Daniel Akpata's advice/Myles Munroe books and I'll be fine again. Or I'll mope it through ballad songs and my imagination.

And see, people say I (like to) talk a lot. Writing and writing and writing. That's literally the same way I see relationships and think about them (hence my response to you).

For now, I'm content with being in a toxic relationship with my writing a blockbuster/bestseller.

Oh I understand you now. You adopted feminism because it adapts well with your perspectives.

Thanks very much for the detailed response. It did highlight to me that you can be a feminist and still wish for a healthy relationship with an ideal man.

To be honest, I have seen all sorts of interpretation to feminism. Some elevate it to an extreme cult level where the hatred of men or any gender that has a dangling fleshy rod beneath the legs is bred. They hold so much bile against men that I am sometimes tempted to shake my head when I read through stuff.

Those ones, I wonder what the ultimate goal is to them as regards having a partner and fulfilling sexual desires. Maybe turn to lesbianism?? Benefits of having a good partner are; unlimited and unrestrained shagging/sexx, pooling resources/funds together, raising kids and achieving common goals. But then trouble has made many people to start running away from thoughts of having a partner.

I am also looking up the MGTOW (Men Going There Own Way), those ones who are fed up with trouble and have decided to stay off women. I wonder how those ones too plan to fulfil sexual desires and partner goals. Maybe live their lives on prostitutes.

I think we need each other (I speak for straight men and women only ) We need to not just have sex but connect on a deeper level and be fond of each other. Because humans are driven by hunger, sex, friendship and achievement.

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Well thanks again for detailing your interpretation of the subject. I know feminism is beyond relationships. It broadens into women affairs and empowerment generally. But sincerely I can relate with your outlook. But the extreme ones, I can't wrap my mind about. How did they get to that stage of hatred or is there something else to it??

God1stson:
Sorry brother but u did not understand the grounds she said what she said. Her comparison was the church and Christ. As Christian's we all revere Jesus Christ as our saviour and the Lord. Just as we dialogue with Jesus Christ through the help of the Holyspirit same way should a wife dialogue with her husband respecting his headship especially in matters that doesn't contradict God's command.it had to do but if u will allow the H.spirit and word of God to mould u then it's possible. Shallom to all d women that have understood this golden rule

What golden rule ?

fredoooooo:
Abawon esu , toooo !!! Iwo to ti fi ori gbe egun tiran tiran ... Oo mo nkan kan ... o daju ju!! .. laye e to wa you will never put your mouth or quote people anyhow again .. ayafi ti aye o ba je aye mo lo ku , ataye ba n je aye téèyàn je eyan... ..Eleribu

Ogbeni, oti pade agbako, osi gbudo see agbako dandan

jefe03:
Ogbeni, oti pade agbako, osi gbudo see agbako dandan

Ìwọ ó mọ ohun tí won pé lágbako, ó kó oríbu lódindi ni, o kò tiran tiran . so ni ori e fe burú ní moti bá e tá epo sì,moti bàe sọ fún àwo toma jẹ kó tètè ya... Wà gbó from dem soon .

Beloved3:
Oh I understand you now. You adopted feminism because it adapts well with your perspectives.

Thanks very much for the detailed response. It did highlight to me that you can be a feminist and still wish for a healthy relationship with an ideal man.

They aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, for many feminists I know, they have the highest standards when it comes to relationships, desire more out of life, and have very low tolerance for bullshit. I also believe feminists are born, but I'm not saying that as a fact.

To be honest, I have seen all sorts of interpretation to feminism. Some elevate it to an extreme cult level where the hatred of men or any gender that has a dangling fleshy rod beneath the legs is bred. They hold so much bile against men that I am sometimes tempted to shake my head when I read through stuff.

What are their numbers? Like...do you know the feminists that are more and in-between? Again, for most people, they are not used to women being outspoken and such, so even when a woman is simply being assertive, they term it a 'rebellious' and extremist act.

Those ones, I wonder what the ultimate goal is to them as regards having a partner and fulfilling sexual desires. Maybe turn to lesbianism?? Benefits of having a good partner are; unlimited and unrestrained shagging/sexx, pooling resources/funds together, raising kids and achieving common goals. But then trouble has made many people to start running away from thoughts of having a partner.

It'll shock you to know that the women you consider bitter have very loving partners. You'll tag that as being two-faced. But maybe if you tried to understand what they are saying, you won't see them as man-haters. Also, misogynists get married everyday and fk women. Despite the fact that they are misogynists, they actually have to come in contact with women for their misogyny to bloom. So, yah, that misandrist can hate men and fuvk them as an expression of her sentiments towards them: dehumanized, sex objects. Men hate women and have been fking women. It go hand-in-hand for them, so it might work for a woman that hates men, too.

I am also looking up the MGTOW (Men Going There Own Way), those ones who are fed up with trouble and have decided to stay off women. I wonder how those ones too plan to fulfil sexual desires and partner goals. Maybe live their lives on prostitutes.

See. I think this thing. Except for incels, but people have sex with people. I don't know how or why we think some people who subscribe to some ideologies will ultimately find it hard to fulfill sexual desires. People of all leaning and orientations have sex. It's not a 'big deal'. Lesbians, gays, straights, Hindus, poor, rich, disabled, dwarf, lanky, sick, atheists, polyamourous... You might disagree with their ideologies, but a lack of sex/sexual partners will never be a punishment for their worldview in some way. I don't think so.

I think we need each other (I speak for straight men and women only ) We need to not just have sex but connect on a deeper level and be fond of each other. Because humans are driven by hunger, sex, friendship and achievement.

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*shrugs*

Well thanks again for detailing your interpretation of the subject. I know feminism is beyond relationships. It broadens into women affairs and empowerment generally. But sincerely I can relate with your outlook. But the extreme ones, I can't wrap my mind about. How did they get to that stage of hatred or is there something else to it??

I know one wrong doesn't cancel another wrong, but I'm pretty certain, the fact that we have unhappy, broken women, who are destabilized, from broken homes...shows something is seriously wrong with the society and how it treats women. Men just argue about and claim headship theoretically, but if they were heading well, in their homes, we would see the results in the homes, community and on a national level. Misandry is the effect/consequence of misogyny.

In marriage, GOD made man to be the head of the woman. The woman's role is to submit to the man but the man's job is to love his wife no matter what. If the man loves his wife, it will be easy for the woman to submit to him. But if the man does not love his wife, the man and the woman will become rivals and tension will build up in the marriage.

MYGODISNOTWEAK:
In marriage, GOD made man to be the head of the woman. The woman's role is to submit to the man but the man's job is to love his wife no matter what. If the man loves his wife, it will be easy for the woman to submit to him. But if the man does not love his wife, the man and the woman will become rivals and tension will build up in the marriage.

You mean God cursed man and woman to live that way, right?

The same declares that those under curse cannot enter into His presence.

Magnoliaa:
They aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, for many feminists I know, they have the highest standards when it comes to relationships, desire more out of life, and have very low tolerance for bullshit. I also believe feminists are born, but I'm not saying that as a fact.


What are their numbers? Like...do you know the feminists that are more and in-between? Again, for most people, they are not used to women being outspoken and such, so even when a woman is simply being assertive, they term it a 'rebellious' and extremist act.



It'll shock you to know that the women you consider bitter have very loving partners. You'll tag that as being two-faced. But maybe if you tried to understand what they are saying, you won't see them as man-haters. Also, misogynists get married everyday and fk women. Despite the fact that they are misogynists, they actually have to come in contact with women for their misogyny to bloom. So, yah, that misandrist can hate men and fuvk them as an expression of her sentiments towards them: dehumanized, sex objects. Men hate women and have been fking women. It go hand-in-hand for them, so it might work for a woman that hates men, too.



See. I think this thing. Except for incels, but people have sex with people. I don't know how or why we think some people who subscribe to some ideologies will ultimately find it hard to fulfill sexual desires. People of all leaning and orientations have sex. It's not a 'big deal'. Lesbians, gays, straights, Hindus, poor, rich, disabled, dwarf, lanky, sick, atheists, polyamourous... You might disagree with their ideologies, but a lack of sex/sexual partners will never be a punishment for their worldview in some way. I don't think so.



*shrugs*



I know one wrong doesn't cancel another wrong, but I'm pretty certain, the fact that we have unhappy, broken women, who are destabilized, from broken homes...shows something is seriously wrong with the society and how it treats women. Men just argue about and claim headship theoretically, but if they were heading well, in their homes, we would see the results in the homes, community and on a national level. Misandry is the effect/consequence of misogyny.

Hmmm I agree with every aspect you have touched on especially the last paragraph.

I would love for them to introduce subjects such as leadership, tolerance, conflict management and ethics into the primary and secondary school curricular.

They should break them down to their simplest forms possible for the young boys and girls to absorb

Perhaps learning these societal principles and values early in life would help people become more responsible to their partners and children later in life.

Sir, you are going out of context. She never mentioned anything about submitting to someone you don't love.

Kobojunkie:
You do not submit to those you hate.

Monman56:
Sir, you are going out of context. She never mentioned anything about submitting to someone you don't love.

1. Jesus Christ said that anyone who does not hate father, mother, wife, husband, children etc., for His sake, is not worthy of being His disciple.

25 Many people were traveling with Jesus. He said to them, 26. “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life! 27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower. - Luke 14 vs 25 - 27

You do not submit to those you hate.

2. Jesus Christ also condemned the having of 2 Masters... a woman who had two masters over her, does not belong to Jesus Christ.

3. Jesus Christ declared that no one who belongs to Him can sit as Master over any of the others. He stated in clear terms that He alone is Master over each and every one who belongs to Him. So a man who sits as head over his wife does not belong to Jesus Christ.

4. Finally, a curse is the reason the men of the world rule over their women. Those who belong to Jesus Christ are not of this world and so called to living life above the curse, as no one living under a curse can enter into the presence of God..

fredoooooo:
Ìwọ ó mọ ohun tí won pé lágbako, ó kó oríbu lódindi ni, o kò tiran tiran . so ni ori e fe burú ní moti bá e tá epo sì,moti bàe sọ fún àwo toma jẹ kó tètè ya... Wà gbó from dem soon .

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