The one and only EVIDENCE that God provided of his existence the misinformed churchgoers are against it so there is no other way they can prove that God exist!

IMAliyu:

Yeah, it's impressive how ancient people figured some stuff out.
maybe they noticed places that were wet and had sunlight, possessed more life compared to others.

And when you study some older beliefs, you start
to notice how unoriginal these faiths are.

Like the saying goes, there is nothing new under the sun.

IMAliyu:

Ok, is this something exclusive to the Christian God, or are these also attributed to other Gods from other faiths?

I have spoke about the Creator God as I know Him

IMAliyu:

Would they need to ask any question? From Who?
They'd need just to access there own database to see the records of their creation, and the names of their creators. They are Advance AI creatures, the name of huimans are not written in their database
If in doubt, they can access the entire web, to find the decades of research papers published about AI. They are the one who generate their own knowledge into the internet
Or thirdly notice how different they are from any living thing on the planet, how they don't reproduce, age, or die, & the silica, metal and plastic material they are built from to notice their artificial origin. Every other thing look like an inferior version of them eg. Needles, Bicycles, Motocycles, Cars, Lorries, Laptops, Phones etc
They would be asking questions like, if humans created us,
how many volts power them?,
what is the size of their RAM?,
Are they dual cores or quad cores?,
How many bits does their CPU handle at a go 32bits, 64bit or 128bits

You will agree with me that these advanced AI robots will ask irrelevant questions

[quote author=IMAliyu post=104783601]
My analogy was mundane on purpose to keep it simple, let's take the No. 2 for example.
Spirit only exists as an abstract concept in our minds, & have not been demonstrated to exist, or at least have any real world effect.
So how would one go about trying prove this?

Please can you physically demonstrate that programings exist in the RAM or HDD of a computer(without the use of another program)?
If you can't, will that be an ultimate proof that computer programs don't exist in the RAM and HDD of computers?

IMAliyu:

Care to define 'worship' as you used it here?

reverence, adoration and devotion.

shadeyinka:

I have spoke about the Creator God as I know Him

Fair enough, but you'd have to contend with other groups that will claim they have exclusivity to the truth, or to the nature of God as well.

Please can you physically demonstrate that programings exist in the RAM or HDD of a computer(without the use of another program)?
If you can't, will that be an ultimate proof that computer programs don't exist in the RAM and HDD of computers?

Well, it's not impossible, but it'd cost a lot of money be extremely slow and inefficient.
Quite recently I had a harddrive which I forgot and left on a magnetic surface. This action corrupted the harddrive and I lost my files.

A harddrive is like a CD, but instead of being optical, it uses microscopic magnetized metal grains to store data as 0 and 1, it does this by flipping the direction of the magnetized grains to represent the 0 or 1.
The principal isn't that different from the first generation of punchcard programs by IBM which used holes on a paper to represent the bits 0,1.

So I'd need a Microscope capable of zooming in enough to be able to see the individual grains, then I'd need to understand what which direction was which the 1 or 0, then manually record the bits in say a book for the entire HDD, then try to interpret it manually afterwards.

1st image: a Magnified image of a HDD, source: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/MFM-imaging-of-a-HDD-featuring-PMR-with-magnetic-domains-being-aligned-parallel-or_fig1_312047038

2nd image: A punchcard program, source: https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/univac/cards.html

Something similar could be applied to ram, but it uses a different tech a Capacitor and Transistor pairing to represent it's bits, and the data on ram is temporary, so I don't know how one would plan to manually read data off a ram not in use.
But a Capacitor either has charge or doesn't and a Transistor is either closed or open. We simply go back to the computer language of 1s and 0s.
3rd image zoomed in image of a DRAM chip.
4th image binary conversion.

Computers use the physical properties of the world to operate, even if a program is somewhat abstract, its is actually stored physically.

Image123:


reverence, adoration and devotion.

Ok, I get your point, but I'd say it's somewhat misleading, if I'm devoted to my studies it doesn't mean I'm worshipping it.
Same goes for if I adore and revere someone or something, it still doesn't mean that I worship them/it either.

I believe worship is a conscious act of submitting yourself and revering a deity.

IMAliyu:

Fair enough, but you'd have to contend with other groups that will claim they have exclusivity to the truth, or to the nature of God as well.

No, I dont have to contend with the god of any other groups (even on a logical basis)
Only the Abrahamic God demands exclusive allegiance, all the others do not bother with sharing them with others

IMAliyu:

Well, it's not impossible, but it'd cost a lot of money be extremely slow and inefficient.
Quite recently I had a harddrive which I forgot and left on a magnetic surface. This action corrupted the harddrive and I lost my files.

A harddrive is like a CD, but instead of being optical, it uses microscopic magnetized metal grains to store data as 0 and 1, it does this by flipping the direction of the magnetized grains to represent the 0 or 1.
The principal isn't that different from the first generation of punchcard programs by IBM which used holes on a paper to represent the bits 0,1.

So I'd need a Microscope capable of zooming in enough to be able to see the individual grains, then I'd need to understand what which direction was which the 1 or 0, then manually record the bits in say a book for the entire HDD, then try to interpret it manually afterwards.

1st image: a Magnified image of a HDD, source: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/MFM-imaging-of-a-HDD-featuring-PMR-with-magnetic-domains-being-aligned-parallel-or_fig1_312047038

2nd image: A punchcard program, source: https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/univac/cards.html

Something similar could be applied to ram, but it uses a different tech a Capacitor and Transistor pairing to represent it's bits, and the data on ram is temporary, so I don't know how one would plan to manually read data off a ram not in use.
But a Capacitor either has charge or doesn't and a Transistor is either closed or open. We simply go back to the computer language of 1s and 0s.
3rd image zoomed in image of a DRAM chip.
4th image binary conversion.

Computers use the physical properties of the world to operate, even if a program is somewhat abstract, its is actually stored physically.

I am happy that you seem to have a little idea of the computer unfortunately, it is an impossible quest.
Why?
The only way information on a HDD can be decrypted is by
1. First knowing that information are stored on it
2. Understanding the code of encryption of the information
3. Information on a HDD isn't the addition of new matter to its surface BUT encoding information by tweaking properties of the material of the HDD

Hence, it is impossible to bring out the computer CODE as any evidence for the program written on a HDD.
Can the computer program be separated from the HDD as evidence? The answer is NO

A Soul/Spirit is just like a Computer Program that is self existing.
The only way you know of the existence of a spirit is by noting the activities of the physical hardware on to which it is embedded.

KnownUnknown:


Everything that exists is an instantiation of an eternal idea. An Eternal Idea is the perfect or ideal form of any object, naturally fashioned or secondarily fashioned by man. This means there is an ideal apple, ideal human, ideal bed, ideal bird, ideal house, ideal star, ideal atom etc that exist in the eternal plane and anything in this material plane participates in or imitates an eternal idea.

You need to tamper past Aristotle.
He was not the only God that wrote.

budaatum:


You need to tamper past Aristotle.
He was not the only God that wrote.

Aristotle, know not . This yarn was woven with the
Whorl of Exigency as demanded by Providence.

KnownUnknown:


Aristotle, know not . This yarn was woven with the
Whorl of Exigency as demanded by Providence.

As in, you were weaving words without knowing where your mind might have gotten them from?

budaatum:


As in, you were weaving words without knowing where your mind might have gotten them from?

The Lord says, “ The Progeny of Providence were imbibed with the primordial light when the foundation was laid. The light emanates under the dictates of Exigency”

shadeyinka:

No, I dont have to contend with the god of any other groups (even on a logical basis)
Only the Abrahamic God demands exclusive allegiance, all the others do not bother with sharing them with others

Yes the Abrahamic God demands exclusive allegiance, although you'd have to consider the Abrahamic faiths as sharing one deity to begin with (something I've seen being debated), and I won't say it's the only one, take Zoroastrianism for example.

I am happy that you seem to have a little idea of the computer unfortunately, it is an impossible quest.
Why?
The only way information on a HDD can be decrypted is by
1. First knowing that information are stored on it
2. Understanding the code of encryption of the information
3. Information on a HDD isn't the addition of new matter to its surface BUT encoding information by tweaking properties of the material of the HDD

Hence, it is impossible to bring out the computer CODE as any evidence for the program written on a HDD.
Can the computer program be separated from the HDD as evidence? The answer is NO

A Soul/Spirit is just like a Computer Program that is self existing.
The only way you know of the existence of a spirit is by noting the activities of the physical hardware on to which it is embedded.

You kind of lost me here.
So a spirit/soul is the emergent property of physical objects like a disk of metal being engineered to be able to store a program/data and/or what resides in the realm of abstractions like math?

And yes a program, can be separate from a computer, that's the whole study of algebra & algorithms, but you'd need a computer to effectively execute it.

IMAliyu:

Yes the Abrahamic God demands exclusive allegiance, although you'd have to consider the Abrahamic faiths as sharing one deity to begin with (something I've seen being debated), and I won't say it's the only one, take Zoroastrianism for example.

Zoroastrian theology includes foremost the importance of following the Threefold Path of Asha revolving around Good Thoughts, Good Words, and Good Deeds. However it offers nothing with respect to death. All religion are at best nonsense if they don't have powers or influence after the death of a person.

IMAliyu:

You kind of lost me here.
So a spirit/soul is the emergent property of physical objects like a disk of metal being engineered to be able to store a program/data and/or what resides in the realm of abstractions like math?

A Soul/Spirit is just the equivalent (but advanced form) of our computer software. The only difference is that the physical Computer Software need a physical interface to exist whereas the Soul/Spirit doesn't need a physical hardware to exist. Of course both (the software and soul/spirit) need to act on the physical hardware for the hardware to have a form of intelligent activity.

shadeyinka:

All religion are at best nonsense if they don't have powers or influence after the death of a person.

Given your assertion above, would it be wrong to say the Pope and his cohorts were exercising their god given powers and influence when they were selling indulgences to reduce the laity's time in purgatory?

KnownUnknown:


Given your assertion above, would it be wrong to say the Pope and his cohorts were exercising their god given powers and influence when they were selling indulgences to reduce the laity's time in purgatory?

That was a scam.

Imagine people who will also die selling indulgence to other people?

shadeyinka:

A Soul/Spirit is just the equivalent (but advanced form) of our computer software. The only difference is that the physical Computer Software need a physical interface to exist whereas the Soul/Spirit doesn't need a physical hardware to exist. Of course both (the software and soul/spirit) need to act on the physical hardware for the hardware to have a form of intelligent activity.

Please complete the following sentence:

A software powers the hardware and is located in/on the HDD while a soul powers the physical and is located.......

shadeyinka:

That was a scam.

Imagine people who will also die selling indulgence to other people?

If they are capable of scams like that, do you think other, more onerous, scams are beyond them?

KnownUnknown:


If they are capable of scams like that, do you think other, more onerous, scams are beyond them?

It seems lying Mohammed is the sponsor of the BMC and they have learnt the art very well.
Lets see how they will continue to speak in the next 2 years

KnownUnknown:


Please complete the following sentence:

A software powers the hardware and is located in/on the HDD while a soul powers the physical and is located.......

The Soul/Spirit isn't localized.
The reason is because,
1. they can exist independently outside the body
2. no scientist is sure of the point(s) of interface with the human body.
A wild guess is that they have strong interaction with the nervous system.

shadeyinka:

The Soul/Spirit isn't localized.
The reason is because,
1. they can exist independently outside the body
2. no scientist is sure of the point(s) of interface with the human body.
A wild guess is that they have strong interaction with the nervous system.

1a. Can it be detected outside the body?
1b. Can I detect an interlocutor's soul while speaking to them face to face?

2. Which branch of science is concerned with the study of the soul?

How would the hypothetical interaction occur?

shadeyinka:

It seems lying Mohammed is the sponsor of the BMC and they have learnt the art very well.
Lets see how they will continue to speak in the next 2 years

What does Mohammed and BMC have to do with the scams of the Catholic Church? What is BMC?!

KnownUnknown:


What does Mohammed and BMC have to do with the scams of the Catholic Church? What is BMC?!

Lying Mohammed is the Minister for communication.
BMC is Buhari Media Crew on Nairaland.

It has nothing to do with the Catholic church. You have mixed up threads

KnownUnknown:


1a. Can it be detected outside the body?

With what are you going to detect the soul? It is immaterial

KnownUnknown:

1b. Can I detect an interlocutor's soul while speaking to them face to face?

You can only interact with a Soul/Spirit through the physical body but never directly. The soul is the main center for the Will, Emotion and Intellect of an organism.

KnownUnknown:

2. Which branch of science is concerned with the study of the soul?

There is no specific branch of science that deal with the soul. Except those who study NDEs.

KnownUnknown:

How would the hypothetical interaction occur?

No one knows but it seems there is a strong interaction with the brain. It's like having an advanced AI robot where the main Memory and CPU is inaccessible but you have access to the RAM, the HDD, the Parallel Processors etc

shadeyinka2:

With what are you going to detect the soul? It is immaterial

Okay.

BassReeves:
Hebrews 4:12
'For the word of God is living and active and full of power [making it operative, energizing, and effective].
It is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating as far as the division of the soul and spirit [the completeness of a person],
and of both joints and marrow [the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and judging the very thoughts and intentions of the heart.'

Psalm 51:10
'Create in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew a right and steadfast spirit within me.'

Ezekiel 18:20, after all states that the soul who sins is the one who will die, not the spirit man nor the carnal man or body.

... man is a spirit being, residing or housed in a body aka flesh and possessing a soul, that Man, essentially is made up of body, soul (i.e. uses the heart as an outlet) and spirit. That the soul has the body and spirit on each opposite sides of it. In a nutshell, do you disagree with me that, Man essentially, is a spirit being with a soul, housed, encapsulated, and/or wrapped up in a human being body suit?

Now watch this young blood, the spirit and soul have different faculties, and so the faculties of the spirit, comprises of Fellowship, Conscience, Discernment or Intuition, whilst the faculties of the soul comprises of the Mind (i.e. consciousness and sub consciousness) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions and the Body has 5 faculties of senses, which are, to see, via the eyes, hear, via the ears, feel, via applicable part of the body, smell, via the nose and taste, via the mouth. Need I go on, need I say more ...

shadeyinka2:
No one knows but it seems there is a strong interaction with the brain. It's like having an advanced AI robot where the main Memory and CPU is inaccessible but you have access to the RAM, the HDD, the Parallel Processors etc

Advanced AI robot is programmed, meaning it is a machine, stored with coded instructions that not only controls it but also cause it to behave in a predetermined way. It hasnt the ability nor power to independently think, it has no freewill

BassReeves:


Advanced AI robot is programmed, meaning it is a machine, stored with coded instructions that not only controls it but also cause it to behave in a predetermined way. It hasnt the ability nor power to independently think, it has no freewill

It is imperative to know that there cant be an exact parallel between a human being and the most advanced AI humanoid robot a human being can build.

My aim is to help the skeptics comprehend the interface between the Physical and the Spiritual using that which they can comprehend (even though a mundane comparison).

A little difference from your understanding (but please let's not argue here)
A human being is a Soul with two bodies: Physical (Body) and Spiritual (Spirit)
*The Spirit has the faculties of Conscience, Discernment or Intuition
*The Soul has the faculties consciousness , Intellect, Will and Emotions
*The Body has the faculties of the Five Senses

At death, a person is a Union of his Soul and Spirit
Resurrection is the recombination of the Body, Soul and Spirit of man
Animals are unions of the Soul and Body
Angels are a union of Soul and Spirit
Humans (while alive) are a union of their Body, Soul and Spirit

I think the only place where we differ is that I think that man is primarily a SOUL who has two Natures (the BODY and the SPIRIT). This is contrary to what is normally taught. This agrees with your comment:

Ezekiel 18:20, after all states that the soul who sins is the one who will die, not the spirit man nor the carnal man or body.

Yes, God programmed us with the abilities to CHOOSE, to LEARN and to DECIDE how we want our lives to be either Dependent on God or Independent from God

shadeyinka2:

It is imperative to know that there cant be an exact parallel between a human being and the most advanced AI humanoid robot a human being can build.

My aim is to help the skeptics comprehend the interface between the Physical and the Spiritual using that which they can comprehend (even though a mundane comparison).

A little difference from your understanding (but please let's not argue here)
A human being is a Soul with two bodies: Physical (Body) and Spiritual (Spirit)
*The Spirit has the faculties of Conscience, Discernment or Intuition
*The Soul has the faculties consciousness , Intellect, Will and Emotions
*The Body has the faculties of the Five Senses

At death, a person is a Union of his Soul and Spirit
Resurrection is the recombination of the Body, Soul and Spirit of man
Animals are unions of the Soul and Body
Angels are a union of Soul and Spirit
Humans (while alive) are a union of their Body, Soul and Spirit

I think the only place where we differ is that I think that man is primarily a SOUL who has two Natures (the BODY and the SPIRIT). This is contrary to what is normally taught. This agrees with your comment:

Yes, God programmed us with the abilities to CHOOSE, to LEARN and to DECIDE how we want our lives to be either Dependent on God or Independent from God

It's all about you don't understand.

That's all you have to say.

That's all people like you say

You condemn unnecessarily.

That one lacks wisdom
That one is foolish
That one is dumb


You accuse me of hypocrisy because you think I just believe.


To hell with words like 'Believe/Know'


You think.

That's all.

I think too


You are right to yourself


I am right to myself


Case closed!!!!

shadeyinka2:
It is imperative to know that there cant be an exact parallel between a human being and the most advanced AI humanoid robot a human being can build.

Mind you, humanoid, means, having an appearance or shape and character resembling that of a human.
Human being is not a machine (i.e. AI humanoid robot) and vice versa. Celestial beings that show the appearances of human beings, are not terrestrial being (i.e. are not human being)

shadeyinka2:
My aim is to help the skeptics comprehend the interface between the Physical and the Spiritual using that which they can comprehend (even though a mundane comparison).

Thats a tall order to do, especially for the skeptic adamant not having a soul

shadeyinka2:
A little difference from your understanding (but please let's not argue here)

When you put forward your stick(s) and lay down on the ground and I respond the gesture or action by putting forward my stick(s) and lay correspondingly down on ground close to the side of your stick(s), there won't be case of argument, because the crooked stick will be distinct from the straight stick

shadeyinka2:
A human being is a Soul with two bodies: Physical (Body) and Spiritual (Spirit)
*The Spirit has the faculties of Conscience, Discernment or Intuition
*The Soul has the faculties consciousness , Intellect, Will and Emotions
*The Body has the faculties of the Five Senses

At death, a person is a Union of his Soul and Spirit
Resurrection is the recombination of the Body, Soul and Spirit of man
Animals are unions of the Soul and Body
Angels are a union of Soul and Spirit
Humans (while alive) are a union of their Body, Soul and Spirit

Genesis 2:7
KJ21
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

ASV
And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

AMP
then the Lord God formed [that is, created the body of] man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being [an individual complete in body and spirit].

AMPC
Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

BRG
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Celestial beings (e.g. satan, demons, cherubim and seraphim etc) DO NOT have souls, which is the reason why unlike human beings, fallen celestial beings aka fallen angels are unregenerable.

Notice in Genesis 2:7 above, that it was after God breathed, the breath or spirit of life, into the nostril of Adam that Adam became a living soul, now here are two easy, simple, direct, harmless, innocent and straightforward questions for you to provide answers to:
1. What part of man, will face God and give account of ALL, its thoughts, words and deeds on the Day of Judgement?
Is it the soul? Is it the spirit? Is it the body?
2. When a man dies, the spirit leaves, to return back to God, the body decomposes, to return back to dust, and the soul departs to a holding place (i.e. Sheol) to awaiting departure for appearance before God, on Judgment Day, now after the spirit leaves the body and returns back to God, what particularly is the name of the object it returns back to God with?
2b. What is the significance of and the reason for the object, the spirit returns back to God with?

shadeyinka2:
I think the only place where we differ is that

Whats the differ? What is different? What difference?

shadeyinka2:
I think that man is primarily a SOUL who has two Natures (the BODY and the SPIRIT). This is contrary to what is normally taught. This agrees with your comment:
'Ezekiel 18:20, after all states that the soul who sins is the one who will die, not the spirit man nor the carnal man or body.'

Beloved, the body and the spirit each or individually have purposes, now get this clearer, that, it is the soul that'll face judgment, not natures, not either the body or the spirit.

shadeyinka2:
Yes, God programmed us with the abilities to CHOOSE, to LEARN and to DECIDE how we want our lives to be either Dependent on God or Independent from God

Of course, God programmed human beings with the abilities to CHOOSE, to LEARN and to DECIDE how we want our lives to be either Dependent on God or Independent from God, but Advanced AI robot is programmed, without the ability nor power, to independently make choices or think, meaning unlike humans, it has no freewill

BassReeves:
Mind you, humanoid, means, having an appearance or shape and character resembling that of a human.
Human being is not a machine (i.e. AI humanoid robot) and vice versa. Celestial beings that show the appearances of human beings, are not terrestrial being (i.e. are not human being)

Thats a tall order to do, especially for the skeptic adamant not having a soul

Humans can only imitate God's creations (even at that) at mundane levels.
Artificial intelligence in programming is an attempt to create self learning machines and self acting machines. This is like humans trying to create "living machines"! This is why I used the phrase "most advanced AI robot".

Whatever humans can do is an inferior imitation of what God has already done.

BassReeves:


When you put forward your stick(s) and lay down on the ground and I respond the gesture or action by putting forward my stick(s) and lay correspondingly down on ground close to the side of your stick(s), there won't be case of argument, because the crooked stick will be distinct from the straight stick

Genesis 2:7
KJ21
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

ASV
And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

AMP
then the Lord God formed [that is, created the body of] man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being [an individual complete in body and spirit].

AMPC
Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

BRG
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Celestial beings (e.g. satan, demons, cherubim and seraphim etc) DO NOT have souls, which is the reason why unlike human beings, fallen celestial beings aka fallen angels are unregenerable.

Was man created as a dead soul?
If man was created as a dead soul, what then would be this dead soul?

The word SOUL as used in the scriptures you quoted is just synonym for PERSON or BEING.
Man became a living BEING!

Another way you can look at it is to understand that man became an ETERNAL SOUL (meaning a soul that lives forever different from animals who have a temporary Soul)

BassReeves:

Notice in Genesis 2:7 above, that it was after God breathed, the breath or spirit of life, into the nostril of Adam that Adam became a living soul, now here are two easy, simple, direct, harmless, innocent and straightforward questions for you to provide answers to:
1. What part of man, will face God and give account of ALL, its thoughts, words and deeds on the Day of Judgement?
Is it the soul? Is it the spirit? Is it the body?

It is the Soul because the soul is the REAL/MAIN person. He only has two bodies: his physical Body and his Spiritual Body.

The soul must always have at least one body to exist.

BassReeves:

2. When a man dies, the spirit leaves, to return back to God, the body decomposes, to return back to dust, and the soul departs to a holding place (i.e. Sheol) to awaiting departure for appearance before God, on Judgment Day, now after the spirit leaves the body and returns back to God, what particularly is the name of the object it returns back to God with?

Here I think you misunderstand this.
First the OT many times use the soul/spirit synonymously. Hence you can't cherry pick verses that suit your distinctions.

Secondly, a human being is a TRINITY of a Body, Soul and Spirit.
Death is simply a Disconnection between a man's body and the union of the soul and spirit.

When a man dies, his body goes to the earth/ground. The union of his soul and spirit is what goes to God.

Check out
1. Lazarus, Abraham and the Rich man. You will agree with me that in death, they are alive having the full use of their soul
2. At the mount of Transfiguration, Abraham, Moses and Elijah has their souls
3. Rev 6:9-11 gives the picture of the saints killed for their testimony of the word of God. You will see that they have their souls even at death

BassReeves:

2b. What is the significance of and the reason for the object, the spirit returns back to God with?

Whats the differ? What is different? What difference?

Like I've said earlier, the scriptures many times use the soul and spirit synonymously. Else use the same standard to judge Rev6:9-11

Rev 6:9-11:
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given to every one of them; and it was said to them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brothers, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

A soul doesn't exist in isolation. A soul must have at least one body: physical or spiritual.
*Angels are the nature of Duality: a Soul and Spirit
*Demons have the nature of Duality: a Soul and Spirit
*Satan and other fallen angels have the nature of Duality: a Soul and Spirit
*Animals have the nature of Duality: a Soul and Body

*God is Trinity: Soul, Spirit and the Word
*Man is Trinity: Soul, Spirit and the Body

BassReeves:

Beloved, the body and the spirit each or individually have purposes, now get this clearer, that, it is the soul that'll face judgment, not natures, not either the body or the spirit.

Of course. It is the soul that commit SIN, not the physical body or the spiritual body. Hence the soul gets his punishment through his bodies!
It is the SOUL that carries his bodies to perform acts of iniquity
Hence, it is the soul that is judged.

BassReeves:

Of course, God programmed human beings with the abilities to CHOOSE, to LEARN and to DECIDE how we want our lives to be either Dependent on God or Independent from God , but Advanced AI robot is programmed, without the ability nor power, to independently make choices or think, meaning unlike humans, it has no freewill

The purpose of artificial intelligence is to create autonomous self-learning and self acting contraption. The most advanced AI contraption should theoretically be self aware and self acting. I doubt if human technology can ever get close to this.

Your statement highlighted in RED is a misconception of what the ultimate goal of AI is.

Shalom

HellVictorinho:



It's all about you don't understand.

That's all you have to say.

That's all people like you say

You condemn unnecessarily.

That one lacks wisdom
That one is foolish
That one is dumb


You accuse me of hypocrisy because you think I just believe.


To hell with words like 'Believe/Know'


You think.

That's all.

I think too


You are right to yourself


I am right to myself


Case closed!!!!

Nowhere have I said or insinuated that you can't understand. I have used what you can comprehend to describe what is above your illusion.

I haven't used the word Believe: you can check it out. The first rational step to believing is UNDERSTANDING. Any kind of believing not backed by UNDERSTANDING is foolishness.

A greater foolishness is taking a position while refusing/rejecting knowledge and understanding.

A wise man goes to war BELIEVING after he has done his ground work of UNDERSTANDING.


A human being is like the most advanced AI robot. His soul and spirit are like the Operating System and Application Softwares that drive his Body. You only need to slow down to comprehend!

First of all God sent an angel undoubtedly (Michael) to confuse the language of earth's inhabitants because they're not ready to do God's will! Genesis 11:1-9
Ever since then mankind has continued to have issues regarding understanding. As men continue to increase on the planet the only thing they ever agreed upon is business and when it turns sour they pick up weapons to kill one another!

So God promised that before He destroy Satan, his demons and all those following him, He (God) will first of all torment Satan with something that might seem impossible. What is that? God said "despite the fact that people globally speaks different languages He will send the same angel (Michael) to come and finish what he started.
Remember this angel confused the language of people back then but this time he will come and reunite people (who are humble and obedient globally) and make them do things in common as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} God said all these people from different races will worship together in same way and it will certainly be as if they're speaking the same language throughout the earth! Zephaniah 3:9

©Today that group has sufficed, they're globally known as Jehovah's Witnesses.
©They all have the same line of thought just as God promised! John 17:20-23
©The Love that exists in their gathering is undeniable! John 13:34-35
©They're zealously preaching and industriously teaching people in all their neighbourhood what God promised! Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8
©Jesus said all the people on earth (under Satan's blindfold) will hate them because they will prove to be totally different! John 15:19; 17:14
While all others are being deceived by Satan to continue killing one another {Revelations 6:3-4} God's own people will not be part of the madness!
Now in what other way can anyone prove that God exists if such a person doesn't want to believe the emergence of such a unique GROUP? 2Corinthians 4:4

So OP you're 100% correct! All these false religious groups will soon vanish but the group following Archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) will remain forever!

May you have PEACE!

shadeyinka2:

Nowhere have I said or insinuated that you can't understand. I have used what you can comprehend to describe what is above your illusion.

I haven't used the word Believe: you can check it out. The first rational step to believing is UNDERSTANDING. Any kind of believing not backed by UNDERSTANDING is foolishness.

A greater foolishness is taking a position while refusing/rejecting knowledge and understanding.

A wise man goes to war BELIEVING after he has done his ground work of UNDERSTANDING.


A human being is like the most advanced AI robot. His soul and spirit are like the Operating System and Application Softwares that drive his Body. You only need to slow down to comprehend!

You are just making unnecessary comparisons between man and robots.


That's nothing noteworthy.