Good morning all;
Please how much is the ideal amount for pop installation(for design and plain)? I will buy the materials myself. Thanks

Very. The issue seems to be worldwide.

EgunMogaji2:


Wow, that’s significant.

QSFemi:
Get yourself educated first before throwing the word "ignorance" around. There's nothing like BEME in the eye of the law. It's just an unscrupulous attempt by engineers to usurp QS of their primary roles of costing. Come to think of it, you think the construction you mentioned such as bridges, jetties etc cannot be cost by a QS? How ignorant are you! Last two weeks, I prepared a bid for a dredging project brought to me by an engineer. Countless Quantity Surveyors are working with Julius Berger, Cappa and D'Alberto, CCECC (China Civil Engineering Construction Company) undertaking bridges, road construction, railway constructions. I've worked in a road construction company before costing nothing but roads, bridges and related works.

The term "cost engineering" is foreign to the Nigerian infrastructure development industry. It's never an area of specialisation in Nigeria. Rather, it's a specialized field used mostly in the USA. Due to absence of the term "quantity surveying" in the USA, cost engineering suffices to fulfil the role. Some of Nigerian trained quantity surveying graduates have undertaken post graduate studies in cost engineering in the USA. This should tell you that cost engineering is not domiciled only in the body of engineering alone even in the USA.

Nigeria gained independence from the UK and most of the tertiary education curriculum in Nigeria is fashioned after the UK model. In the UK construction and infrastructure development Industry, quantity surveyors are the only recognised cost expert on infrastructure developments - buildings, roads, bridges, jetties, railways etc.

The fight by engineers to oversee costing of infrastructure developments is an attempt to further drag the country further into the abyss of corruption that the country is already battling with.

Design and costing are two independent specialized fields and they're not mutually inclusive.

Well, both QS and engineer can perform the same duty but in different ways, When i graduated from university, i worked in MEP contracting company in which i was attached to senior Electrical Engineer doing bill of engineering measurement and evaluation. I was under him for 5-weeks before he left the company then i took over the boq preparation. It was a huge task for me and i was able to handle all bills and also generate boq from the Electrical design drawing.

Though, we have a QS but according to him he said they only trained them on civil works aspect of bill preparation. What he does is Valuation on all the on-going projects, attend site meetings with engineers to know when the company is due for valuation, prepare LPO for vendors, negotiate with suppliers, etc. Most QS are good in civil aspect of bill preparation except few of them that are trying to do MEP boq.

Anytime a tender is being sent to us then and the MEP boq were prepared by QS, we always have alot of variations and additional works on that project if awarded to us then.

These days most of the MEP BOQ is always prepared by MEP consultants with the detail materials. I have prepared alot of detailed MEP boq for Nairalanders. at times there would be no design but with the experience i have.

chidi4eze:
Good morning all;
Please how much is the ideal amount for pop installation(for design and plain)? I will buy the materials myself. Thanks

Cost will depend on the measurement or are you asking for the labour charges?

You've spoken fairly and from experience.

The fact that you've met few QS that couldn't effectively handle MEP bills doesn't mean that there are not QS that can effectively prepare such. I've met so many civil engineers that cannot prepare structural drawings. In today's QS practice, there are many QS that specialized in only MEP bills. For instance, many QS are working with Mor and Mor - a purely electrical services installation companies. At Console Associates - a foremost QS firm, they've more than 100 QS that specialized on various aspects of engineering costing.

topsy23:


Well, both QS and engineer can perform the same duty but in different ways, When i graduated from university, i worked in MEP contracting company in which i was attached to senior Electrical Engineer doing bill of engineering measurement and evaluation. I was under him for 5-weeks before he left the company then i took over the boq preparation. It was a huge task for me and i was able to handle all bills and also generate boq from the Electrical design drawing.

Though, we have a QS but according to him he said they only trained them on civil works aspect of bill preparation. What he does is Valuation on all the on-going projects, attend site meetings with engineers to know when the company is due for valuation, prepare LPO for vendors, negotiate with suppliers, etc. Most QS are good in civil aspect of bill preparation except few of them that are trying to do MEP boq.

Anytime a tender is being sent to us then and the MEP boq were prepared by QS, we always have alot of variations and additional works on that project if awarded to us then.

These days most of the MEP BOQ is always prepared by MEP consultants with the detail materials. I have prepared alot of detailed MEP boq for Nairalanders. at times there would be no design but with the experience i have.

Every job is a learning opportunity. Good morning everyone

Hi

topsy23:


Well, both QS and engineer can perform the same duty but in different ways, When i graduated from university, i worked in MEP contracting company in which i was attached to senior Electrical Engineer doing bill of engineering measurement and evaluation. I was under him for 5-weeks before he left the company then i took over the boq preparation. It was a huge task for me and i was able to handle all bills and also generate boq from the Electrical design drawing.

Though, we have a QS but according to him he said they only trained them on civil works aspect of bill preparation. What he does is Valuation on all the on-going projects, attend site meetings with engineers to know when the company is due for valuation, prepare LPO for vendors, negotiate with suppliers, etc. Most QS are good in civil aspect of bill preparation except few of them that are trying to do MEP boq.

Anytime a tender is being sent to us then and the MEP boq were prepared by QS, we always have alot of variations and additional works on that project if awarded to us then.

These days most of the MEP BOQ is always prepared by MEP consultants with the detail materials. I have prepared alot of detailed MEP boq for Nairalanders. at times there would be no design but with the experience i have.

You have said more than enough. Thank you!

There are quacks in every profession.

The performance of these quacks should not be used to define the profession.

Common sense 101

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michlins:
Every job is a learning opportunity. Good morning everyone

This is beautifully crafted!!!

Well done!

michlins:
Every job is a learning opportunity. Good morning everyone

You are on point brother!
Ride on

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QSFemi:
You've spoken fairly and from experience.

The fact that you've met few QS that couldn't effectively handle MEP bills doesn't mean that there are not QS that can effectively prepare such. I've met so many civil engineers that cannot prepare structural drawings. In today's QS practice, there are many QS that specialized in only MEP bills. For instance, many QS are working with Mor and Mor - a purely electrical services installation companies. At Console Associates - a foremost QS firm, they've more than 100 QS that specialized on various aspects of engineering costing.

QS Femi, don't get me wrong. There are some that are specialise in MEP boq. But these days MEP consultant does most of the bill immediately after their design

I know Mar&mor very well. We have other big contractions firm also, Kenol, Mabbsa (now Mabstar), Dayson, Etco, Lambert etc and the consultants KOA, CA consultant, OJ&T consultant, MEE consultant, Molecular consultant

Presently I have a two QS that are undergoing training under me

The QS debate is interesting. I wasn't aware that we had this much professional engineering and building firms in Nigeria. Very good stuff.

topsy23:


QS Femi, don't get me wrong. There are some that are specialise in MEP boq. But these days MEP consultant does most of the bill immediately after their design

I know Mar&mor very well. We have other big contractions firm also, Kenol, Mabbsa (now Mabstar), Dayson, Etco, Lambert etc and the consultants KOA, CA consultant, OJ&T consultant, MEE consultant, Molecular consultant

Presently I have a two QS that are undergoing training under me

@ topsy, You will look familiar, since you can mention mee consult, well done. [b][/b]

topsy23:


Cost will depend on the measurement or are you asking for the labour charges?

yeah just labour charges per square meter- plain and design

Would you rather use tiles or marble in your home

Spoke to a marble guy yesterday doing something I find interesting. He’s cutting his marble into 60x60 or 60x 120 size tiles and sells got 9,000 - 10,000 per sqm .

michlins:
Every job is a learning opportunity. Good morning everyone

Beautifully crafted! The rain that beats an eagle only helps to bath it and enhance the beauty.

I just did the POP of my ceiling and I have decided to screed before painting. I need a good technician that does wall screeding and painting as a job. Please note that I do not need 'middlemen' of any kind.

Kindly reply this message ASAP with your contact details and I will call you back.

Location is Abule Egba/Ijaiye.

sonnie10:

Beautifully crafted! The rain that beats an eagle only helps to bath it and enhance the beauty.

Like the phoenix, I rise from the ashes.

Attached is a sample of the door with the front and back being the same design and 90% soundproof.


Don't ask me how I do it because am not telling you

michlins:
Like the phoenix, I rise from the ashes.

Attached is a sample of the door with the front and back being the same design and 90% soundproof.


Don't ask me how I do it because am not telling you

How much is the door and what’s your location?

signature2012:


How much is the door and what’s your location?

my location is Nnewi Anambra State.

Which of the doors do you want

Denigma:
I just did the POP of my ceiling and I have decided to screed before painting. I need a good technician that does wall screeding and painting as a job. Please note that I do not need 'middlemen' of any kind.

Kindly reply this message ASAP with your contact details and I will call you back.

Location is Abule Egba/Ijaiye.

God will finish it and you gonna built more!
Plz sir in case you need someone that can help you with the Electrical installations, we are at your service sir. We also install CCTV cameras and surveillance maintenance, solar/inverter installations.
08080638980

KolaShangOne:
Would you rather use tiles or marble in your home

Spoke to a marble guy yesterday doing something I find interesting. He’s cutting his marble into 60x60 or 60x 120 size tiles and sells got 9,000 - 10,000 per sqm .

It’s actually pretty common in higher end homes in SoCal. Even on bathroom walls.

topsy23:


Well, both QS and engineer can perform the same duty but in different ways, When i graduated from university, i worked in MEP contracting company in which i was attached to senior Electrical Engineer doing bill of engineering measurement and evaluation. I was under him for 5-weeks before he left the company then i took over the boq preparation. It was a huge task for me and i was able to handle all bills and also generate boq from the Electrical design drawing.

Though, we have a QS but according to him he said they only trained them on civil works aspect of bill preparation. What he does is Valuation on all the on-going projects, attend site meetings with engineers to know when the company is due for valuation, prepare LPO for vendors, negotiate with suppliers, etc. Most QS are good in civil aspect of bill preparation except few of them that are trying to do MEP boq.

Anytime a tender is being sent to us then and the MEP boq were prepared by QS, we always have alot of variations and additional works on that project if awarded to us then.

These days most of the MEP BOQ is always prepared by MEP consultants with the detail materials. I have prepared alot of detailed MEP boq for Nairalanders. at times there would be no design but with the experience i have.

I agree with bolded part.

The only reason we have “Provisional Sum” in most BOQs is simply because there’s limit to what a QS can cover especially when there are no detailed drawings or specification document.

The bill for the MEP in one of my first projects here was handled by the MEP consultants. The client engaged them for supervision, cost and quality control.

This is a very good example.

My MEP bill gave all the details. I mean ALL

As a matter of fact, my BOQ wasn’t able to cover my clients request for a PEX piping but my MEP bill did without worries.

Autodidact2507:

God will finish it and you gonna built more!
Plz sir in case you need someone that can help you with the Electrical installations, we are at your service sir. We also install CCTV cameras and surveillance maintenance, solar/inverter installations.
08080638980

Do you sell solar powered CCTV cameras?

Thanks.

EgunMogaji2:


Do you sell solar powered CCTV cameras?

Thanks.

No sir. I'm an Engineer, you can get it while i help you with the installation and configuration.
I can still get it for you if you dont mind sir.

Thank u