kingzizzy:


You present constitution has states, there were no states during Ironsi's time

Your present constitution does not have resource control, there was full resource control under Ironsi

You present constitution does not have fiscal federalism, there was fiscal federalism under Ironsi


Ironsi was the only military ruler who kept the constitution of Nigeria as close to the independence constitution as possible.

The only thing this unification decree did was unify the civil service.

Only ignorant people say that Ironsi introduced unitary rule in Nigeria

Everybody knows it was Gowon who did that

nku5:


Show me where the decree where Ironsi expunged resource control. I am not interested in your biased opinion. I need facts

Without prejudice to section 8 of this Decree, the person who immediately before the appointed day holds the office of Military Governor of a Region shall be deemed to have been appointed by the Head of the National Military Government as Military Governor of the corresponding group of provinces with effect from that day.
The National Military Government may either conditionally or unconditionally delegate to a Military Governor of a group of provinces power to make laws by edict for peace, order and good government with respect to any matter specified in the delegation in relation to that group of provinces.

If we are examining dictionary definitions then Nigeria is not a Federation today in fiscal terms. The regional military governors could not be elected (of course) and had powers to make laws (edicts) for their enclaves subject to approval. The best Nigeria ever had in a military government.

WE THE PEOPLE of the Federal Republic of Nigeria:


HAVING firmly and solemnly resolved:


TO LIVE in unity and harmony as one indivisible and indissoluble Sovereign Nation under God dedicated to the promotion of inter-African solidarity, world peace, international co-operation and understanding:

imhotep:
And what stopped the next military president from reversing this decree??
Zoogeria things

Cc lzaa metaphysical bambambiglo

Bambambiglo:


Every body agreed to carry out coup, Igbo decided to do wiseness and let their generals escape. Civil war later happened and they payed dearly for it. 50 years later ipob pigs will still not let somborry hear word, try nonsense and python will still dance on your head ode

LZAA:

Shatap

Bambambiglo:


Every body agreed to carry out coup, Igbo decided to do wiseness and let their generals escape. Civil war later happened and they payed dearly for it. 50 years later ipob pigs will still not let somborry hear word, try nonsense and python will still dance on your head ode

AniOmaa:
Are we talking about the same Ironsi that didn't even last six months as Head of state before he was killed? I mean the man didn't even live long enough to defend his policies for goodness sake! and there's no record to suggest his military regime was marred with corruption, nepotism, and all sort of maladministrative dilemmas that his successors unleashed on Nigerians! Nigerians are some really f*cling daft set of people walahi, imagine blaming Ironsi for the woes of 1966,when all your leaders (who weren't Igbos btw) all collectively messed up Nigeria. How come all the Northern and Yoruba leaders who were in power till date didn't do any better than Ironsi? (a man who only lasted 6 months in office)

The same yaribanza idiots who are blaming Igbos as the progenitors of the problems currently plaguing Nigeria with the typical dumb rhetorics of, "oh Ibos started the trouble we face by carrying out a coup" also forget that they were the pioneers of the first act of political thuggery and violence in Nigerias young history (operation we tie)... they started the primitive acts of dousing their political opponents with raw acid and setting them ablaze... an act of absolute madness that directly or indirectly lead to the boys in Khaki to strike. Thank God a Yoruba man (Wale Ademoyega), a principal actor in the coup wrote a book to set the records straight before he died.

Stupid set of sophisticated mo.rons with sawdust for brains.

Bambambiglo:


Every body agreed to carry out coup, Igbo decided to do wiseness and let their generals escape. Civil war later happened and they payed dearly for it. 50 years later ipob pigs will still not let somborry hear word, try nonsense and python will still dance on your head ode

Guestlander:


Ibo coup plotters and Ironsi destroyed Nigeria. They laid the foundation for what ibos are going through in Nigeria today.
Your anger and name calling will not change anything other than give you some premature grey hair.

Guestlander:


You don't even have a basic knowledge of what federalism is. I will be wasting my time trying to explain anything to you.
According to your logic if the federating units control their resources but the federal government controls every other thing it is federalism. So?
Nigeria became a unitary state with Ironsi's decree 34. You can twist and bend it whichever way you want but that is the fact.

kingzizzy:


When you control your resources, it does not matter what the federal government controls. When you control the resources on your land, you control your destiny. You become the one in control of your own development. Unlike this unitary system we practice now where everyone runs to the federal government for monthly subvention, in true federalism, it is the Federal Government that runs every every month to the federating unitsfor subvention. It he who controls resource that holds the key. Because Ironsi did not touch resource control, he is not the one who introduced unitary rule. The person who introduced unitary rule in Nigeria was Gowon when he abolished resource control

Guestlander:


Resource control died when the constitution was abrogated. On what basis would you control your resources when the constitution that gave you that power was no longer in existence?

MetaPhysical:




Ibo planned coup....not everybody. Ademoyega was sucked in. Which of the killed leaders was a victim of Ademoyega? None!.

imhotep:
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Receive sense asap.
Igbo amaka.

Guestlander:
Continued.

Please read it carefully and tell us what you think it means.

MetaPhysical:


They were not overthrown. They were assassinated.

So there is a grand plot to wipe out premiers in North and West to pave way for a unitary take over of the country by East.

Few years before, Azikiwe had laid foundation for the plot in his address at Glover Memorial Hall to the Ibo Town Union where he bragged that the Ibo is "destined" to lead Africa.

How is Ibo position in 66 different from Buhari and Fulani position in 2020?

Both believe their ethnic group is "destined" to lead Africa. Fulani is wiping people off the way Ibo did on Nigerians....and they are islamizing the nation.

Ibo ruined this country!

DMerciful:
Ibos ruined this country but you're restless about the thought of Biafra going. You resist Igbos going yet you blame them for everything

kingzizzy:


The decree called the Regions "group of provinces" because thats what they were. Its like calling a state in Nigeria a group of Local governments, thats what a state is. Whatever name one uses for the Regions or state isnt the issue. The issue is if everyone was controlling their resources. If everyone is controlling their resources then it is not unitary rule, it is true federalism. Ironsi maintained resource control throughout his time in power

joeyfire:


Dont miss the central point. The regions still had control of their resources under Ironsi. Gowon was the person that TOOK AWAY resource control. Northern military leaders did not have access to oil money until Gowon started sharing it to them. It is Gowon's fault that Lagos State did not even smell the N400 Billion revenue collected from Apapa port in 2019

Why do you think Easterners started moving to other regions in large numbers after the war? There was NO infrastructure developed in the East after the war by the FG. Its not even an issue for argument. Asides from the Niger Bridge that they HAD to build, name one that Gowon built after the war. The 70s was the worst period in terms of development

gawu1:
The man below holding Atiku was the brain behind that decree. He drafted every of the A to the Z in that infamous document with mind set that it was going to give his people advantage over others in the country.
During Jonathan regime he attempted to repeat same thing at the failed national conference put together by Jonathan administration in it attempt to change the constitution through back door by sidelining the NASS which has legitimate power under our present democracy to effect changes in our constitution. As he did in 1966, he drafted a complete constitution inside his seating room and attempted to superimpose it on the hand-picked delegates of the Jonathan conference to legitimise it; and made it as if it was the conference works. Thanks to the eagle eyes of the northerners and same vigilant men from the west who they picked with intentions they would abide without scrutiny any resolution prepared and put before them, the plan failed.
Jonathan defeat in 2015 put full stop to his hope, the reason why the prof. and his people would once again reinvigorate their hatred for Buhari and the north. Towards build up to the 2019 elections when Atiku came up with campaign mantra that he was going to revisit the Jonathan conference resolution in order to hoodwink them to elect him, the prof and his people began to see hopes of their niferous plan coming to life. They quickly fall for Atiku especially when he picked one of them as his VP. Meetings upon meetings, they drafted all their lawyers to Atiku, suggested the infamous Dubai strategies to him after drafting the disgrace Chief Justice into the plan. The rest are now public, from transmission of results to inexisting INEC server and so on.
Atiku earned the huge hug from the prof

Deadlytruth:

You forgot to add that the same Professor Nwabueze also killed the opportunity to restore the decentralized structure in 1978 when he, as head of Obasanjo's 1979 Constitution drafting committee, further transferred over 50% of the remaining items in the residual and concurrent lists to the exclusive list ostensibly in search of national unity but actually because he had seen that Ekueme (his brother) would soon become the vice to Shagari amidst the hope that Shagari would hand over to him later on to enable Igbo domination agenda execution materialize with Ekweme now in power and a further centralized constitution in his hands.
Going by how Ironsi's centralization of powers through his advice in 1966 caused a constitutional crisis which culminated in a war that took millions of lives of his own Igbo race, one would have expected common sense to dictate to Professor Nwabueze to use the 1978 opportunity to get a lot of items transferred from the exclusive list back to the concurrent and residual lists in which they were prior to Ironsi era, but trust those folks from the East to always lose common sense when it really matters and especially when it appears to them that it is an opportunity to achieve their domination agenda

gidgiddy:


Just two question. How is it that Ironsi abolished the Regions if the 4 Regions he met when he came to office were still existing the day he left office?

2) How is it that Gowon met the 4 Regions as Ironsi, but when Gowon was leaving office, he left 12 states?

Deadlytruth:


Answers:
1. Ironsi, in his May 24 1966 broadcast unequivocally stated that the regions were abolished and that Nigeria had stopped being a federation but had become simply The Republic of Nigeria as against the official name "Federal Republic of Nigeria". In that broadcast he all through described the regions as "former regions". What does the word "former" mean to you?
Then he broke the regions to groups of provinces which he appointed military governors over, and subjected them to his own authority at the center.

2. Gowon did not meet four regions. What Gowon met were four groups of very weak provinces under the mercy of an omnipotent center which, according to Ironsi in that broadcast, would all further be obliterated in the new constitution he was already drafting through his constitution review committee headed by Nwabueze. It was these weak provinces that Gowon regrouped into 12 states and partially restored their autonomy from the total non-autonomous status they suffered under Ironsi.

gidgiddy:


Just two question. How is it that Ironsi abolished the Regions if the 4 Regions he met when he came to office were still existing the day he left office?

2) How is it that Gowon met the 4 Regions as Ironsi, but when Gowon was leaving office, he left 12 states?