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FreeIgboho:
Lol. Told u you lost the argument because you refuse to acknowledge the only thing we are sure of - that we aren't sure the true nature of reality - and have no way of being sure!

How are you sure of the reality or correctness of what you claim to be sure of

HellVictorinho:
Another post to be disposed


How did you know the nature of reality cannot be determined when you are never sure of anything?


That the nature of reality cannot be determined is either true/real or false/fake


You contradict yourself since you say you can't determine what is real(a statement towards reality) but you can determine what is true (a statement towards the truth)


LordReed

Nonsensical circular argument. I can say I don't know what I don't know that I don't know and that's the end of that. But I can't say I know spmething FOR SURE without raising the question: how do you know?

HellVictorinho:
How are you sure of the reality or correctness of what you claim to be sure of

I can say I don't know what I don't know that don't know and be 100% correct, needing no follow-up questions

FreeIgboho:
You are a funny guy, you present a video that supports everything I'm saying, yet u r still arguing.
Below are things the guy said

https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/business5/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/1X/56c5639914984041bd52b6562f823e69beb2fdcf.jpeg

Yes, it’s your brain that creates reality, not some other Intelligence. And your brain is guessing about the information it receives to begin with.

And it making a “best guess” at that . Watch the Anil Seth clip, before you make selective examples of what he is NOT saying.

Actually this falsifies the concept of a God. God does not create your subjective reality, you do! We certainly do not all agree about the hallucination of an existing God. Therefore we cannot call it reality.

But the fact that you can hallucinate a God shows the subjectivity of that experience. Your reality is a product of your brain, blind, deaf, and locked in a dark bony skull.

When he talks about other consciousnesses, he does not imply the existence of a brainless consciousness. He is identifying all other brained creatures that create their own subjective reality.

FreeIgboho:
The person who said the following doesn't think there is a supernatural??!! You ok sir?

This is the problem with people like you, you enjoy quote mining and taking things out of context because they stroke feeling of profundity the narrative you want to construct gives you.

This statement: human consciousness generally is a tiny region in a vast space of possible consciousnesses when read in context will let you understand that he was talking about how it is possible that other animals may indeed be experiencing consciousness in ways we don't. Read the full context here: https://blog.ted.com/how-does-consciousness-happen-anil-seth-speaks-at-ted2017/

At no point does Anil mention the possibility of the existence of a supernatural, in fact he says consciousness is firmly grounded in the body here:

"Just as biologists have explained the properties of living systems — like metabolism, homeostasis and reproduction — once we start explaining the properties of consciousness in terms of things happening inside brains and bodies, the apparent metaphysical mystery of what consciousness is should start to fade away."

So yes Mr Matrix, Anil Seth does not say consciousness is a supernatural phenomenon.

Near1:
https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/business5/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/1X/56c5639914984041bd52b6562f823e69beb2fdcf.jpeg

Yes, it’s your brain that creates reality, not some other Intelligence. And your brain is guessing about the information it receives to begin with.

And it making a “best guess” at that . Watch the Anil Seth clip, before you make selective examples of what he is NOT saying.

Actually this falsifies the concept of a God. God does not create your subjective reality, you do! We certainly do not all agree about the hallucination of an existing God. Therefore we cannot call it reality.

But the fact that you can hallucinate a God shows the subjectivity of that experience. Your reality is a product of your brain, blind, deaf, and locked in a dark bony skull.

When he talks about other consciousnesses, he does not imply the existence of a brainless consciousness. He is identifying all other brained creatures that create their own subjective reality.

LoLz! I just gave a similar reply. The guy just wants to believe in the supernatural by any means.

FreeIgboho:
He never said that, but assuming he did, did you ever ask yourself this: how did he know?!

The relevant thing he said is that we make up "reality" - we don't know it's true nature. Common sense tells you that is true

More of your quote mining. That statement attributed to Einstein was taken from a letter (quoted in part below).

In 1936, Albert Einstein wrote the following letter to a sixth-grade student, Phyllis Wright, in response to her questions: Do scientists pray? And if so, what do they pray for?
January 24, 1936
Dear Phyllis,
I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I could. Here is my answer. Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e., by a wish addressed to a supernatural being. However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in Nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research.

Read in context you get the idea that while Einstein proposes a form of spirituality, he doesn't endorse the idea of supernatural beings capable of influencing reality.

FreeIgboho:
Nonsensical circular argument. I can say I don't know what I don't know that I don't know and that's the end of that. But I can't say I know spmething FOR SURE without raising the question: how do you know?

Ask yourself why you are saying whatever you are saying


It's your problem

LordReed:
More of your quote mining. That statement attributed to Einstein was taken from a letter.

In 1936, Albert Einstein wrote the following letter to a sixth-grade student, Phyllis Wright, in response to her questions: Do scientists pray? And if so, what do they pray for?
January 24, 1936
Dear Phyllis,I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I could. Here is my answer.Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e., by a wish addressed to a supernatural being. However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in Nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research.

Read in context you get the idea that while Einstein proposes a form of spirituality, he doesn't endorse the idea of supernatural beings capable of influencing reality.

Einstein never demonstrated the correctness of spirituality


What else

Near1:
https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/business5/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/1X/56c5639914984041bd52b6562f823e69beb2fdcf.jpeg

Yes, it’s your brain that creates reality, not some other Intelligence. And your brain is guessing about the information it receives to begin with.

And it making a “best guess” at that . Watch the Anil Seth clip, before you make selective examples of what he is NOT saying.

Actually this falsifies the concept of a God. God does not create your subjective reality, you do! We certainly do not all agree about the hallucination of an existing God. Therefore we cannot call it reality.

But the fact that you can hallucinate a God shows the subjectivity of that experience. Your reality is a product of your brain, blind, deaf, and locked in a dark bony skull.

When he talks about other consciousnesses, he does not imply the existence of a brainless consciousness. He is identifying all other brained creatures that create their own subjective reality.

Your brain helps to ensure the awareness of reality.

It is not the creator of reality.


Reality refers to what is happening.


The property of something to possess limits is happening.


The property of something to possess limits is being displayed

There's no thing with no limit except existence or reality or the truth itself.

Reality is an abstract thing and there's limit to what is showing reality or existence.


So,it is impossible for no object (something that shows reality) to exist


The universe can only exist as just another object

FreeIgboho:
I can say I don't know what I don't know that don't know and be 100% correct, needing no follow-up questions

Diversion_we are talking about what you claim to know instead of what you don't claim to know.



Spits...

HellVictorinho:
Einstein never demonstrated the correctness of spirituality


What else

The spirituality of Einstein was a reverence for the profundity of the universe, in that he demonstrated it quite well. It did not comprise of a supernatural realm nor did it contain any anthropomorphic spirit being or beings.

Near1:
https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/business5/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/1X/56c5639914984041bd52b6562f823e69beb2fdcf.jpeg

Yes, it’s your brain that creates reality, not some other Intelligence. And your brain is guessing about the information it receives to begin with.

And it making a “best guess” at that . Watch the Anil Seth clip, before you make selective examples of what he is NOT saying.

Actually this falsifies the concept of a God. God does not create your subjective reality, you do! We certainly do not all agree about the hallucination of an existing God. Therefore we cannot call it reality.

But the fact that you can hallucinate a God shows the subjectivity of that experience. Your reality is a product of your brain, blind, deaf, and locked in a dark bony skull.

When he talks about other consciousnesses, he does not imply the existence of a brainless consciousness. He is identifying all other brained creatures that create their own subjective reality.

Why not address the whole talk instead of selective
I think u may have lost the thrust of my discussion:
1) We have no way if knowing FOR SURE the true nature of reality
2) Therefore we can't know for sure whether a supernatural exists but preponderance of evidence and experiences support that it does.

LordReed:
This is the problem with people like you, you enjoy quote mining and taking things out of context because they stroke feeling of profundity the narrative you want to construct gives you.

This statement: human consciousness generally is a tiny region in a vast space of possible consciousnesses when read in context will let you understand that he was talking about how it is possible that other animals may indeed be experiencing consciousness in ways we don't. Read the full context here: https://blog.ted.com/how-does-consciousness-happen-anil-seth-speaks-at-ted2017/

At no point does Anil mention the possibility of the existence of a supernatural, in fact he says consciousness is firmly grounded in the body here:

"Just as biologists have explained the properties of living systems — like metabolism, homeostasis and reproduction — once we start explaining the properties of consciousness in terms of things happening inside brains and bodies, the apparent metaphysical mystery of what consciousness is should start to fade away."

So yes Mr Matrix, Anil Seth does not say consciousness is a supernatural phenomenon.

You carefully avoid addressing that he said "I am sure you have lived before and will live again" . What's more supernatural than that??

LordReed:
More of your quote mining. That statement attributed to Einstein was taken from a letter (quoted in part below).

In 1936, Albert Einstein wrote the following letter to a sixth-grade student, Phyllis Wright, in response to her questions: Do scientists pray? And if so, what do they pray for?
January 24, 1936
Dear Phyllis,
I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I could. Here is my answer. Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e., by a wish addressed to a supernatural being. However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in Nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research.

Read in context you get the idea that while Einstein proposes a form of spirituality, he doesn't endorse the idea of supernatural beings capable of influencing reality.

I have read this letter before. I don't know what it has to do with the discussion.
The discussion is on Seth, whether he supports supernatural. He does!!! Read below again.
He even talks of "creation".

HellVictorinho:
Ask yourself why you are saying whatever you are saying


It's your problem

Clearly I can say I don't know for sure because I don't know what I don't know. U ok sir

HellVictorinho:
Diversion_we are talking about what you claim to know instead of what you don't claim to know.



Spits...

Clearly I can say I don't know for sure because I don't know what I don't know, which is what I'm saying.
Why is that so hard to understand sir? I should be the one spitting

FreeIgboho:
I have read this letter before. I don't know what it has to do with the discussion.
The discussion is on Seth, whether he supports supernatural. He does!!! Read below again.
He even talks of "creation".

You should be the answering the question since it was you who posted a quote from Einstein.

Seth does not. You bring quotes taken out of context to bolster your view, that is called quote mining. Go read the entirety of the blog post first instead of posting pictures that don't tell the whole story.

LordReed:
You should be the answering the question since it was you who posted a quote from Einstein.

Seth does not. You bring quotes taken out of context to bolster your view, that is called quote mining. Go read the entirety of the blog post first instead of posting pictures that don't tell the whole story.

I gratuitously posted the Einstein quote which is clearly not part of the discussion - which is why I didn't reference it at all (didn't say "see below"

As for Seth, someone says point blank he can assure you you have lived before. Explain to us what context he put it that renders it not support of existence of a supernatural!!

FreeIgboho:
You carefully avoid addressing that he said "I am sure you have lived before and will live again" . What's more supernatural than that??

FreeIgboho:
I gratuitously posted the Einstein quote which is clearly not part of the discussion - which is why I didn't reference it at all (didn't say "see below"

As for Seth, someone says point blank he can assure you you have lived before. Explain to us what context he put it that renders it not support of existence of a supernatural!!

Tell me in which article he said it.

LordReed:
Tell me in which article he said it.

No disrespect but u r kinda making a fool of yourself.
It's not even a he. The woman claims to be channeling a spirit named Seth, and you still say she doesn't believe in the supernatural!!!

FreeIgboho:
No disrespect but u r kinda making a fool of yourself.
It's not even a he. The woman claims to be channeling a spirit named Seth, and you still say she doesn't believe in the supernatural!!!

LOL! We are talking of Dr Anil Seth, you are bringing up some spiritual mumbo jumbo. You are the one making a fool of yourself. Bwahahahahaha!

FreeIgboho:
Why not address the whole talk instead of selective

I addressed all there is to address. Any more would just be redundant.

FreeIgboho:
1) We have no way if knowing FOR SURE the true nature of reality

Bump your head on a door knob or frame OR climb a tree and fall out of it, then let’s talk about the nature of reality. You can bump your head and fall out of tree if you like, just to be sure it was reality. Science does not make such claims about the "true nature of reality". It is always open to amendment, if sufficient evidence is presented.

FreeIgboho:
2) Therefore we can't know for sure whether a supernatural exists but preponderance of evidence and experiences support that it does.

There is no evidence in support that a supernatural agent exists. Subjective experiences do not count as evidence. The brain is capable of imagining things that do not exist. There is no evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. Yet there are a large number of believers in a FSM. It makes them feel good. Do you believe that a FSM exists? If not, why did you choose your religion over Pastafarianism? Because your religion makes you feel good? Therefore we can make an educated guess that a supernatural agent does not exist until evidence for the need of its existence is produced.

But you have not answered my inquiry into why anybody should Choose Theism. What evidence do you have to support your case for Theism? Thanks

LordReed:
The spirituality of Einstein was a reverence for the profundity of the universe, in that he demonstrated it quite well. It did not comprise of a supernatural realm nor did it contain any anthropomorphic spirit being or beings.

So, the spirituality of Einstein was different so he never demonstrated the correctness of the spirituality that has to do with spirits


He demonstrated his reverence for what he saw as an aspect of the universe (profundity) and such reverence happens by chance.


The reverence for what is seen as an aspect of a rock might also lead to the worship of the rock by the person with such reverence.

LordReed:
LOL! We are talking of Dr Anil Seth, you are bringing up some spiritual mumbo jumbo. You are the one making a fool of yourself. Bwahahahahaha!

I now see the Genesis of your confusion! I keep posting quotes and you keep saying the quotes are not saying what they are clearly saying (never mind which Seth said them). Answer for yourself: who is making a fool of himself?

FreeIgboho:
Clearly I can say I don't know for sure because I don't know what I don't know, which is what I'm saying.
Why is that so hard to understand sir? I should be the one spitting

You don't know why you are saying that you know that nobody can determine the true nature of reality because you cannot determine whether you are correct or not when you say you know that nobody can determine the true nature of reality but I can determine that you are wrong when you say have correctly determined that nobody can determine the true nature of reality since I am aware that the true nature of reality or the true property of reality is to have no limit when reality remains WHAT IS HAPPENING INSTEAD OF NOTHING.


There's no limit to what is happening


The property of something to possess limits is happening or is being displayed by the things that have limits and these limits coincide with a specific form


The universe can only exist as just another thing that shows what is happening

FreeIgboho:
I now see the Genesis of your confusion! I keep posting quotes and you keep saying the quotes are not saying what they are clearly saying (never mind which Seth said them). Answer for yourself: who is making a fool of himself?

You obviously because we were talking of Dr Anil Seth whom you so obviously quoted but decided to slip in another Seth. You were trying to be too clever by half, thinking Dr Anil Seth's authority will give credence to your mumbo jumbo Seth. I don't care for your other Seth because he is a hoax. Jane Roberts had hypothyroidism, of which one of the symptoms is mood disorders and schizophrenia-spectrum disorders. He was a figment of her imagination.

Near1:
I addressed all there is to address. Any more would just be redundant.


Bump your head on a door knob or frame OR climb a tree and fall out of it, then let’s talk about the nature of reality. You can bump your head and fall out of tree if you like, just to be sure it was reality.

Science does not make such claims about the "true nature of reality". It is always open to amendment, if sufficient evidence is presented.


There is no evidence in support that a supernatural agent exists. Subjective experiences do not count as evidence. The brain is capable of imagining things that do not exist. There is no evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. Yet there are a large number of believers in a FSM. It makes them feel good. Do you believe that a FSM exists? If not, why did you choose your religion over Pastafarianism? Because your religion makes you feel good? Therefore we can make an educated guess that a supernatural agent does not exist until evidence for the need of its existence is produced.

But you have not answered my inquiry into why anybody should Choose Theism. What evidence do you have to support your case for Theism?

It is not really true that anyone chooses theism or atheism


Theism has to do with an accidental occurrence of faith in your head which either stays till you die or leaves accidentally and stays out till you die or goes in and out and in till you die.



Whatever you say or do to demonstrate your theism or atheism only shows an accidental occurrence of faith or the absence of such

As for those that claim to know or/and understand Jesus, Allah ,the supernatural,etc


I don't really think it makes them special


It only shows they can make claims



As far as I am concerned, the claims are just there.

LordReed:
Which facts?

The ones taught by the Holy Bible

LordReed:
But you claimed to know that this universe is setup by a whoever, how did you come to this conclusion if you don't know?

I declare myself an atheist because I DON'T BELIEVE in any god or gods, it is not a claim that I know there are no gods. I did claim however to know that the god of the Abrahamic faith doesn't exist because I have sufficient evidence.

It is not a question of logic but of evidence. If you don't claim to know anything then I wonder how you are reaching any conclusions. How are you able to declare there exists a supernatural when you don't know anything?

Your claim is kind of absurd though because here you are conversing with me in a language you most definitely learned so how can you not know the language you are conversing in?

lol. could you please share this evidence with me?

Near1:
Or maybe not. Certainly nothing that proves an afterlife, or a connection between believing and getting there. It’s not that hard anymore to find websites that respond to every claim of a contemporary historical record of the person who is the central character of the gospels. Nothing of them rise about a 50/50 chance of being true.

What is your basis for determining if a historical document is accurate or not? This is a really important question. Everything else hinges on this.

Jesus did exist. He indeed was crucified on a cross. This is a historical fact.

Hismasterpiece:
The ones taught by the Holy Bible

Give me 5 examples.