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ogbuefi677:
The problem isn't even those who have bought land.
These types of ppl typically do not make trouble.
But you know hausa/Fulani and their way,immediately 1 of them acquires even if 10 by 10 feet anywhere, they will troop to the place in tens of thousands doing barrow job,load carrier,okada or generally lazying about.
They will never rent or build houses but will be sleeping on the road,bathing and defecating in the gutters etc.
I believe some parts of Lagos are having a similar problem now just that they're usually not very violent because of matters of number unlike in a place like Jos where Toro Town in Bauchi state is just 10mins drive and they will quickly mobilize their fellow idiots to come and fight jihad.

You are worsening the issue.try to be neutral

garfield1:
The jos crisis has lingered for too long alongside the southern kaduna killings? How can it be settled once and for all?

The answer is simple but there's no political will do anything remotely useful.

1. Liberalize gun laws for expanded ownership.

People can easily defend themselves if they allowed to with fear of being thrown in prison.
Notice when people are allowed to defend themselves the agents of the state tell you not to take matters in your own hands. The police are only good at counting the dead bodies.

2. Decentralize policing and prisons by simple deleting section it from.

The state assemblies can go from there and figure out how to structure them. Right now the busy bodies at the assembly want to dictate to the states how to structure policing instead of worrying about the federal agencies they already suppose to be overseeing.

2b. Prisons also need to be Decentralized but people neglect to mention it. Its better the state holds these guys so there's no opportunity for amnesty nonsense.

3. States need regulate the activities of herdsmen.

4. Nigeria needs to take border security seriously.

Start by enforcing ecowas protocols on herdsmen. Deport foreigners who have no business being here.

Blue3k:
The answer is simple but there's no political will do anything remotely useful.

1. Liberalize gun laws for expanded ownership.

People can easily defend themselves if they allowed to with fear of being thrown in prison.
Notice when people are allowed to defend themselves the agents of the state tell you not to take matters in your own hands. The police are only good at counting the dead bodies.

2. Decentralize policing and prisons by simple deleting section it from.

The state assemblies can go from there and figure out how to structure them. Right now the busy bodies at the assembly want to dictate to the states how to structure policing instead of worrying about the federal agencies they already suppose to be overseeing.

2b. Prisons also need to be Decentralized but people neglect to mention it. Its better the state holds these guys so there's no opportunity for amnesty nonsense.

3. States need regulate the activities of herdsmen.

4. Nigeria needs to take border security seriously.

Start by enforcing ecowas protocols on herdsmen. Deport foreigners who have no business being here.

You have refused to touch the politics of settler/indigene in jos north

garfield1:
The jos crisis has lingered for too long alongside the southern kaduna killings? How can it be settled once and for all?




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it can only stop, when the people are ready for life or death.. Right now they are all busy finding what mouth will eat

garfield1:
You have refused to touch the politics of settler/indigene in jos north

Its irrelevant to my argument. If people are allowed to defend themselves the issue dies down regardless of petty politics. Lol all your political pontificating and your still lost looking for an answer.

Blue3k:
Its irrelevant to my argument. If people are allowed to defend themselves the issue dies down regardless of petty politics. Lol all your political pontificating and your still lost looking for an answer.

You are tge one that is lost actually.both the settlers and indigenes are heavily armed and attacking each other year by year but unfortunately the indigenes are at the receiving end....the security forces have not intervened.there was a time that the indigenes cried out that they were being wiped out

garfield1:
You are tge one that is lost actually.both the settlers and indigenes are heavily armed and attacking each other year by year but unfortunately the indigenes are at the receiving end....the security forces have not intervened.there was a time that the indigenes cried out that they were being wiped out

Lol no they're not heavily armed. Most of them don't shoot back and simply opting to live in IDP camps. If you read point 2 you would notice this is reason for Decentralized policing and liberalization of gun laws. The Federal government is clearly biased towards one side. It seems you'd rather speak alot but profer no solutions. Please come up with 1.

garfield1:
Which is

To have Jos to themselves, let it become a northern state.

Cutezt:
To have Jos to themselves, let it become a northern state.

There's a Constitutional process for areas of a state to succeed. If they truly wanted that they'd go about lawfully.

Chapter 1 part 2 section 8-2

An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of boundary adjustment of any existing State shall only be passed if- 

(a) a request for the boundary adjustment, supported by two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding and the area affected by the boundary adjustment) in each of the following, namely- 

(i) the Senate and the House of Representatives, 

(ii) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and 

(iii) the local government councils in respect of the area. is received by the National Assembly; and 

(b) a proposal for the boundary adjustment is approved by - 

(i) a simple majority of members of each House of the National Assembly, and 

(ii) a simple majority of members of the House of Assembly in respect of the area concerned

Cutezt:
To have Jos to themselves, let it become a northern state.

Jos is in the north na

Blue3k:
Lol no they're not heavily armed. Most of them don't shoot back and simply opting to live in IDP camps. If you read point 2 you would notice this is reason for Decentralized policing and liberalization of gun laws. The Federal government is clearly biased towards one side. It seems you'd rather speak alot but profer no solutions. Please come up with 1.

I want to proffer solutions but a lot of people including you won't want to hear it.we are talking of plateau and there are no idp caps there.if you have followed the history of jos crisis,you will see that weapons are not the problem.the fg is even neutral,the past Governor Jonah hang was very biased in favour of his berom people....
In this last crisis,the indigenes attacked first and they were heavily armed so the question of guns and liberalization of gun laws does not arise.we need a political solution...your solution will prolong the crisis

Blue3k:
There's a Constitutional process for areas of a state to succeed. If they truly wanted that they'd go about lawfully.

That is why I said the settlers and indigenes In jos north should come together for amicable resolution

garfield1:
I want to proffer solutions but a lot of people including you won't want to hear it.we are talking of plateau and there are no idp caps there.if you have followed the history of jos crisis,you will see that weapons are not the problem.the fg is even neutral,the past Governor Jonah hang was very biased in favour of his berom people....
In this last crisis,the indigenes attacked first and they were heavily armed so the question of guns and liberalization of gun laws does not arise.we need a political solution...your solution will prolong the crisis

Stop lying if you want to profer a solution you would just post it. Nobody coming to beat you so just spit it instead of being scared of criticism. We both know you just want to an endless argument with no solutions to show. Your cowardly nonsense doesn't make any sense.

Naijabad:
Divide Nigeria and the crises will stop.

Gaddafi gave the formula for the division.

Can you help me with the formula?

Blue3k:
Stop lying if you want to profer a solution you would just post it. Nobody coming to beat you so just spit it instead of being scared of criticism. We both know you just want to an endless argument with no solutions to show. Your cowardly nonsense doesn't make any sense.

Division of jos north lga or a legal agreement to rotate power there

garfield1:
Division of jos north lga or a legal agreement to rotate power there

Good now you've finally made a useful contribution to the discourse. As I said before areas of state succeeding have a Constitutional process. Since there's no opinion polling I don't know if such a move would be popular on the LGA. A simple town hall discussing the issue with state reps in attendance can have this settled in a few months. Redrawing LGA boundaries is much easier than creating a new LGA or having them succeed to new state. I dont know if the other solution is legal but thats what the courts exist for.

Chapter 1 part 2 section 8

(3) A bill for a Law of a House of Assembly for the purpose of creating a new local government area shall only be passed if -

(a) a request supported by at least two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding the creation of the new local government area) in each of the following, namely -

(i) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and

(ii) the local government councils in respect of the area, is received by the House of Assembly;

(b) a proposal for the creation of the local government area is thereafter approved in a referendum by at least two-thirds majority of the people of the local government area where the demand for the proposed local government area originated;

(c) the result of the referendum is then approved by a simple majority of the members in each local government council in a majority of all the local government councils in the State; and

(d) the result of the referendum is approved by a resolution passed by two-thirds majority of members of the House of Assembly.

(4) A bill for a Law of House of Assembly for the purpose of boundary adjustment of any existing local government area shall only be passed if-

(a) a request for the boundary adjustment is supported by two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding and the area affected by the boundary adjustment) in each of the following, namely -

(i) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and

(ii) the local government council in respect of the area, is received by the House of Assembly; and

(b) a proposal for the boundary adjustment is approved by a simple majority of members of the House of Assembly in respect of the area concerned.

Blue3k:
Good now you've finally made a useful contribution to the discourse. As I said before areas of state succeeding have a Constitutional process. Since there's no opinion polling I don't know if such a move would be popular on the LGA. A simple town hall discussing the issue with state reps in attendance can have this settled in a few months. Redrawing LGA boundaries is much easier than having them succeed. I dont know if the other solution is legal but thats what thr courts exist for.

Redrawing or creating new lgas is easier than creating states.majority of the settlers will welcome this,its left for the indigenes to agree...but in the mean time, the state can create lcdas and then there should be power sharing arrangement for offices like chairmanship,the two assembly seats and one reps seat.if the chairman is a settler,reps can be indigene while the two assembly seats will be equally shared.a situation where one group seeks to corner all the offices breeds crisis

garfield1:
Redrawing or creating new lgas is easier than creating states.majority of the settlers will welcome this,its left for the indigenes to agree...but in the mean time, the state can create lcdas and then there should be power sharing arrangement for offices like chairmanship,the two assembly seats and one reps seat.if the chairman is a settler,reps can be indigene while the two assembly seats will be equally shared.a situation where one group seeks to corner all the offices breeds crisis

They dont have to agree just understand that. If they settlers don't agree live in peace my solution is the best for that reason. Its just weird to me people think they're entitled to position of power but the politics tends to attract reprobates who don't care to build anything. You want to expand government not to provide more services or for better administration but to give people a title and appease criminals.

garfield1:
It will.that is why there are still killings.

Indigenes know that was how fulani jihadists occupied lands there were not their own in some parts of the north. The goal of islam is to dominate other religions by expanding their enclaves in host communities.
True federalism and state police will checkmate excess of hausa/fulani people

garfield1:
Jos is in the north na

We are middle belt, not north. It is a forced marriage that must not go on.

Cutezt:
We are middle belt, not north. It is a forced marriage that must not go on.

garfield1:
Division of jos north lga or a legal agreement to rotate power there

Since you said we I'll assume you're from Plateau. How do you feel about his solutions he offered? Is that an acceptable solution to the murders?

garfield1:
Division of jos north lga or a legal agreement to rotate power there

what are you even saying? is power not rotated there? the problem with jos is hausa fulani, simple.

Blue3k:
Since you said we I'll assume you're from Plateau. How do you feel about his solutions he offered? Is that an acceptable solution to the murders?

why should we divide Jos north? the Berom's Anaguta, etc, have been co-existing in Jos north for long and the seats are rotated and shared, That guy is a fulani Terrorist, he wants us to divide it so our numbers can be reduced so he and his miscreants can come and take over one after the other.

ogbuefi677:
Ogbeni, how long do you think you can sustain this your massive killings all over the country?
I just de pity una,cos d day men go sit down,plan for una,na d end be that.
Na Israeli vs Palestine/Lebanon/Syria/Jordan/Egypt treatment we go give una

You and what army?

ogbuefi677:
The problem isn't even those who have bought land.
These types of ppl typically do not make trouble.
But you know hausa/Fulani and their way,immediately 1 of them acquires even if 10 by 10 feet anywhere, they will troop to the place in tens of thousands doing barrow job,load carrier,okada or generally lazying about.
They will never rent or build houses but will be sleeping on the road,bathing and defecating in the gutters etc.
I believe some parts of Lagos are having a similar problem now just that they're usually not very violent because of matters of number unlike in a place like Jos where Toro Town in Bauchi state is just 10mins drive and they will quickly mobilize their fellow idiots to come and fight jihad.

Their can't be a jihad when you're fighting over nothing, or what can not be yours. If you are compensated and the trouble makers ejected. Then their would be peace. You come do your business and go.

Seriously that's the solution for plateau state. The Bible say can 2 work together except they agree? No.

At this point there can no longer be peace, there will always be repraiseal attacks. So settle them no matter how small and let them count their loss and live.

The Hausa and Fulanis have nothing that belongs to them in plateau.

garfield1:
True but there must be a compromise.maybe,they should divide jos north lga

and give it to who? are you joking? you are a fulani terrorist disguising as a jos indigene, no right-thinking jos person will prefer this solution, even along the puppet himself cant even think of this.

ogbuefi677:
That would be setting a bad precedence cos they can start killing ppl in Lagos tomorrow with the target that the city will be divided and parts of it given to them.

don't quote that guy, he is a Fulani terrorist

Cutezt:
why should we divide Jos north? the Berom's Anaguta, etc, have been co-existing in Jos north for long and the seats are rotated and shared, That guy is a fulani Terrorist, he wants us to divide it so our numbers can be reduced so he and his miscreants can come and take over one after the other.

Agreed his solutions doesn't make sense to me either. Its cowardly appeasement politics. Nobody obligated to do anything he's requesting but they are expected to live in peace with their neighbors. My solutions are simple. Just let people defend themselves and decentralization of police and prisons. This is a law and order issue caused by criminals they need to be dealt with with force.

1. Liberalize gun laws for expanded ownership
2. Decentralize policing and prisons by simple deleting section it from.
3. States need regulate the activities of herdsmen.
4. Nigeria needs to take border security seriously.

garfield1:
I want to proffer solutions but a lot of people including you won't want to hear it.we are talking of plateau and there are no idp caps there.if you have followed the history of jos crisis,you will see that weapons are not the problem.the fg is even neutral,the past Governor Jonah hang was very biased in favour of his berom people....
In this last crisis,the indigenes attacked first and they were heavily armed so the question of guns and liberalization of gun laws does not arise.we need a political solution...your solution will prolong the crisis

HEADSLAMMING TERRORIST

Everyone knows that the Hausa Fulani areas in Jos are illegally owned, they settled there illegally. Anguwan Rogo, Bauchi Road, Anguwan Rin, etc, are lands of the University Of Jos, the Fulani settlers illegally settled there, that was why when the previous Gov, Jang, decided to start the implementation of the Greater Jos Master plan, there was a lot of trouble as the Hausa's saw it as a plan to chase them out of their illegal settlement. No Fulani person living in those areas can bring a valid/legal document of ownership of any plot of land there, quote me anywhere.

Blue3k:
Agreed his solutions doesn't make sense to me either. Its cowardly appeasement politics. Nobody obligated to do anything he's requesting but they are expected to live in peace with their neighbors. My solutions are simple. Just let people defend themselves and decentralization of police and prisons. This is a law and order issue caused by criminals they need to be dealt with with force.

1. Liberalize gun laws for expanded ownership
2. Decentralize policing and prisons by simple deleting section it from.
3. States need regulate the activities of herdsmen.
4. Nigeria needs to take border security seriously.

If this is done, I can assure you that in 6 months, there will be no hausa fulani terrorist in Jos again. I have lived almost all of my life in Jos, except for the last 7 years, I still visit jos very very often, I was there few months ago, all my family are there, I am a berom person, from a royal family which if I say here, will be known by many. The simple problem is that HAUSA/FULANI WANTS TO HAVE JOS AS THEIR OWN, BUT THE JOS INDIGENES ARE READY TO DIE FOR THEIR LAND, FORFEITING IT IS NOT EVEN AN OPTION FOR US.

ImmaculateJOE:
Can you help me with the formula?

Gaddafi suggested that Nigeria should be divided into North and South since North is predominantly moslems and South is predominantly christains.

garfield1:
You are worsening the issue.try to be neutral

Nothing like being neutral here unless you want to shy away from the truth.
Of the approx 250 tribes in Nigeria, fulani is fighti/ng 249 or it has never occurred to you?
Even their hausa serfs, they're currently killing them in the name of banditry.