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Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:14pm On Sep 04, 2021
freshboi88:
This Guy nah Dundee

What u quoted and what I quoted do they even correlate... You No Get Brain!!!!

For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

To whoever he is pleased to give it to. Read it!!!!... Barrister without Sense.
21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,


Did Jesus not tell you he could give Life to people because the Father gave him the right to judge who is worthy of life and who is not ?


It's starting at you. He needed authority to do that. So much for equality
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:16pm On Sep 04, 2021
achorladey:
That's why you could have just answer the question. Instead of disturbing yourself by going into singular or plural palaver.

Jesus dey receive sacred service?
Read his statement at Matthew 4:10 . It will remove the wool over your eyes on who owns the sacred service
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by livingchrist: 1:17pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
If you are correct, he won't need to be given authority before he acts, it would have been automatic. But you can't think

The Father never delegate worship to Jesus. True worshippers are expected to worship only the Father - John 4:23
I will not go down to mould of insult with you.

God the father commanded all Angels to worship Jesus.

Jesus is worshiped same way with the father.

John 4:23 didn't say true worshippers worship only the father, that is a lie mr man.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:18pm On Sep 04, 2021
Emusan:
If after my explanation you couldn't grab that point it's not my fault blame your wacked brain.
I guess you are stuck?

Made like his brother's IN EVERY WAY

Silly you was saying holy spirit make him Different which contradict the verse.

Made like his brother's in EVERY WAY.

Either this refer only to their appearance or the brothers evil nature in flesh and imperfections
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by livingchrist: 1:20pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,


Did Jesus not tell you he could give Life to people because the Father gave him the right to judge who is worthy of life and who is not ?


It's starting at you. He needed authority to do that. So much for equality
Jesus is equal to God in his nature but not in position.
Jesus is not equal to God the father in position because he took a lower position which is that of a servant.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 1:20pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
Read his statement at Matthew 4:10 . It will remove the wool over your eyes on who owns the sacred service
This is Jesus statement in Matt 4:10 "Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

But Jesus is God! cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:21pm On Sep 04, 2021
livingchrist:
I will not go down to mould of insult with you.

God the father commanded all Angels to worship Jesus.

Jesus is worshiped same way with the father.


John 4:23 didn't say true worshippers worship only the father
, that is a lie mr man.
Did he mentioned anyone else true Worshippers will worship ?
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:22pm On Sep 04, 2021
Emusan:
This is Jesus statement in Matt 4:10 "Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

But Jesus is God! cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Matt 4:10 refer to who ?
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by livingchrist: 1:23pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
Did he mentioned anyone else true Worshippers will worship ?
you thought your lie would go unnoticed.
Where did Jesus say true worshippers, worship only the father?
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:23pm On Sep 04, 2021
livingchrist:
Jesus is equal to God in his nature but not in position.
Jesus is not equal to God the father in position because he took a lower position which is that of a servant.
Just as those humans called Sharers of Divine nature are equal to God by nature.

Correct ?
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 1:25pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
I guess you are stuck?

Made like his brother's IN EVERY WAY

Silly you was saying holy spirit make him Different which contradict the verse.

Made like his brother's in EVERY WAY.

Either this refer only to their appearance or the brothers evil nature in flesh and imperfections
If not because you're silly, you'll read where the scripture says Jesus was TEMPTED in every way YET without sin.

Which means Jesus is PURE HUMAN that prone to the same sin because of OUR HUMAN NATURE but He couldn't sin because the body is a house for God.

Get it straight into your dull skull, sin and evil doesn't make human human but because we have human nature.

But the point here is that just as you said Jesus shared human nature and makes Him EXACTLY human likewise Jesus is EXACTLY God for having God's nature.

CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 1:26pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
Matt 4:10 refer to who ?
God
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:27pm On Sep 04, 2021
livingchrist:
you thought your lie would go unnoticed.
Where did Jesus say true worshippers, worship only the father?
You are mistaken . John 4:22,23

" You worship what you do not know; we know what we [Jesus Included] worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father "

Even Jesus himself included himself as worshiping the Father . This is why the text meant Only the Father.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:28pm On Sep 04, 2021
Emusan:
God
Which of the God, ?

Yahweh, Zeus, ?
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 1:29pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
Which of the God, ?

Yahweh, Zeus, ?
Your 8 men in Brooklyn
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:31pm On Sep 04, 2021
Emusan:
If not because you're silly, you'll read where the scripture says Jesus was TEMPTED in every way YET without sin.

Which means Jesus is PURE HUMAN that prone to the same sin because of OUR HUMAN NATURE but He couldn't sin because the body is a house for God.

Get it straight into your dull skull, sin and evil doesn't make human human but because we have human nature.

But the point here is that just as you said Jesus shared human nature and makes Him EXACTLY human likewise Jesus is EXACTLY God for having God's nature.

CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.
Made Like his brother's in every way , his brother's inherit sinful nature with their flesh, Did he do the same in every way?

It's very obvious you are stuck! The text is simply about Appearance which is what I meant by exactly human. That is , Appearance of humans , if you say appearance of God. It would have been clearer
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:36pm On Sep 04, 2021
So worship Jesus while i and my global family worship JEHOVAH! smiley

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:
oh duh confused false jw mad max
i certinally do get it, and i will tell you again:
1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 1:37pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
Made Like his brother's in every way , his brother's inherit sinful nature with their flesh, Did he do the same in every way?
Lemme give you Bible study again.

Yes Jesus inherited sinful nature by this I mean a nature PRONE TO DEATH AND SIN reason why He died but for perfect sacrifice The same nature doesn't need to sin which is why God made use of the body.

It's very obvious you are stuck! The text is simply about Appearance which is what I meant by exactly human. That is , Appearance of humans , if you say appearance of God. It would have been clearer
Not appearance but EXACTLY OF WHAT THE NATURE IS which is the reason why you're changing mouth about what you first said.

Again CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Was CEV translation wrong or not as you claimed NLT wrong?
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by DappaD: 1:37pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07 handling four people at a time. shocked
I doff cap for this boss!
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by freshboi88: 1:39pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,


Did Jesus not tell you he could give Life to people because the Father gave him the right to judge who is worthy of life and who is not ?


It's starting at you. He needed authority to do that. So much for equality
The Father committing Judgement to Jesus has nothing to do with Jesus given life....you will just be openly lying. Remember you will give account for anything u say o before Jesus...cos na I'm go Judge u not Jehovah.

To correct u

John 5:22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Very clear.... Jehovah has entrusted all judgment to the Son so that everyone would be forced to honor him just as they honor the Father.

Now on a deeper level, this was done so that people like u would know who Jesus is and when u come to the truth of who he is, u would be forced to give him the same honour that is due to the Father.

You see yourself, you dnt read the Bible....Mr Barrister without Sense read read read the Bible n liberate yourself
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:45pm On Sep 04, 2021
Emusan:
Lemme give you Bible study again.
Yes Jesus inherited sinful nature by this I mean a nature PRONE TO DEATH AND SIN reason why He died but for perfect sacrifice The same nature doesn't need to sin which is why God made use of the body.

Not appearance but EXACTLY OF WHAT THE NATURE IS which is the reason why you're changing mouth about what you first said.

Again CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Was CEV translation wrong or not as you claimed NLT wrong?
Like me tell what Exactly the nature of his brothers represent.

They were conceived in sin

Born into sin.

They are not perfect in anyway.

Was Jesus Made like them in every way their nature was formed ?

No. He wasn't conceived in sin, he was a perfect person. Which is brothers are not.

Clearly the " Every way " he was made like his brother's is not the imperfect nature they were born into, but their appearance.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:47pm On Sep 04, 2021
freshboi88:
The Father committing Judgement to Jesus has nothing to do with Jesus given life....you will just be openly lying. Remember you will give account for anything u say o before Jesus...cos na I'm go Judge u not Jehovah.

To correct u

John 5:22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Very clear.... Jehovah has entrusted all judgment to the Son so that everyone would be forced to honor him just as they honor the Father.

Now on a deeper level, this was done so that people like u would know who Jesus is and when u come to the truth of who he is, u would be forced to give him the same honour that is due to the Father.

You see yourself, you dnt read the Bible....Mr Barrister without Sense read read read the Bible n liberate yourself
Hello! To give someone life , you must have judge them worthy of it. This means the highlighted proofed Jesus needed authority to give life to anyone. He was granted the authority. Throwing your point out of the window
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by johnw47: 1:47pm On Sep 04, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
So worship Jesus while i and my global family worship JEHOVAH! smiley
false jw mad max

oh duh, of course i will continue to worship the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

and you will continue to worship your g b and fellow false jw's, praising them constantly
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by freshboi88: 1:55pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
Hello! To give someone life , you must have judge them worthy of it. This means the highlighted proofed Jesus needed authority to give life to anyone. He was granted the authority. Throwing your point out of the window
Tying this John 5:19 is plain foolishness.

Giving life to whoever is worthy makes u a judge and giving life to whoever it pleases u makes u the source of life
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 1:58pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
[s]Like me tell what Exactly the nature of his brothers represent.[/s]
Just twisting

They were conceived in sin

Born into sin.

They are not perfect in anyway.
Jesus had the same things

Was Jesus Made like them in every way their nature was formed ?
Yes! But was only empowered to overcome them.

No. He wasn't conceived in sin, he was a perfect person. Which is brothers are not.
Conceived in sin means to inherit the corrupted nature of Adam which is for the body to prone to sin and death.

Jesus was perfect because GOD MAKES USE OF HIS BODY.

He feels weak, hungry, YET never speak of his own words because the FATHER LIVES IN HIM.

Clearly the " Every way " he was made like his brother's is not the nature they were born into, but their appearance.
So what is the reason the FATHER LIVES IN HIM?

The only time the Father left that body is when He took the SIN OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

When I say you people lack scriptural understanding, you'll think I'm joking.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:58pm On Sep 04, 2021
freshboi88:
Tying this John 5:19 is plain foolishness.

Giving life to whoever is worthy makes u a judge and giving life to whoever it pleases u makes u the source of life
All judgement was entrusted to him remember ? This is why he could give Life after judging someone Worthing of it.

He was given that authority.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 2:05pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
All judgement was entrusted to him remember ? This is why he could give Life after judging someone Worthing of it.

He was given that authority.
You know that's all about His earthly mission because Jesus is the one who gives life and the very ETERNAL LIFE. 1 John 1:2

CEV: The one who gives life appeared! We saw it happen, and we are witnesses to what we have seen. Now we are telling you about this eternal life that was with the Father and appeared to us.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 2:12pm On Sep 04, 2021
Emusan:
Just twisting

Jesus had the same things
Yes! But was only empowered to overcome them.

Conceived in sin means to inherit the corrupted nature of Adam which is for the body to prone to sin and death.

Jesus was perfect because GOD MAKES USE OF HIS BODY.

He feels weak, hungry, YET never speak of his own words because the FATHER LIVES IN HIM.

So what is the reason the FATHER LIVES IN HIM?

The only time the Father left that body is when He took the SIN OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

When I say you people lack scriptural understanding, you'll think I'm joking.
" And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. " 1John 3:5


His brothers :

" And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature " Romans 7:17

If Jesus had a body prone to sin it means there is sin in him just like his brother's .

The scripture clearly said There is no sin inside of him. Christ didnt inherit sinful nature. Emusan lie lie.

So the Expression made like his brother's In Every way was only to their appearance. Not their sinful NATURE be in which they were conceived . As for Christ there is no sin inside of him like his brother's
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Barristter07: 2:15pm On Sep 04, 2021
Emusan:
You know that's all about His earthly mission because Jesus is the one who gives life and the very ETERNAL LIFE. 1 John 1:2

CEV: The one who gives life appeared! We saw it happen, and we are witnesses to what we have seen. Now we are telling you about this eternal life that was with the Father and appeared to us.
Before coming to earth, you already proved he has no authority . So your point is baseless. And when he came to earth He can't give life until the Father entrust all judgement to him.

He still rely on someone else authority
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 2:21pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
" And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. " 1John 3:5


His brothers :

" And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature " Romans 7:17

If Jesus had a body prone to sin it means there is sin in him just like his brother's .

The scripture clearly said There is no sin inside of him. Christ didnt inherit sinful nature. Emusan lie lie.
I've showed you why there's no sin in Him because that was the Father' place of dwelling to accomplish the redemption work.

If Jesus was not prone to sin, why was it be able to take the sin of the whole world?

Don't turn blind eyes to that question.

So the Expression made like his brother's In Every way was only to their appearance. Not their sinful NATURE be in which they were conceived . As for Christ there is no sin inside of him like his brother's
I've explained this several times just that your blocked head refused to grab it.

We human are only sin during our lifetime but our NATURE only make it possible because it's prone to sin and evil.

So what God did was to create a body prone to sin and death BUT IMMEDIATELY TOOK OVER IT before it get corrupted by way of living then when the time comes to accomplish its(the body) purpose, the God left it so that it can be prone to sin.

I know my explanation is so straight forward but because your father the Devil lives in you, you won't accept.
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Emusan(m): 2:23pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
Before coming to earth, you already proved he has no authority. So your point is baseless. And when he came to earth He can't give life until the Father entrust all judgement to him.

He still rely on someone else authority
Where did I prove the @underlinedhuh

Lying liar looking for a way out, I understand cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by achorladey: 2:24pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
Read his statement at Matthew 4:10 . It will remove the wool over your eyes on who owns the sacred service
In simple terms your answer is NO because the HIM is for Jehovah alone.

And there will no longer be any curse. But the throne of God and of the Lamb+ will be in the city, and his slaves will offer him sacred service.

Who get the his slaves?

How many throne is captured in that verse?
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