vanuchi:

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Yes, the official title as recognized by the FG is Olu of Warri, but he is sovereign over lands and people of itsekiri only, and lands owned by them in the metropolitan city now called warri, not lands owned by other nations like Urhobo or Ijaws. [/s]

Just use the proper title next time, I didn't ask you to explain.

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BlackyOne:


Just use the proper title next time, I didn't ask you to explain

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I was not explaining for your benefit alone Sir....and I use the title as it is currently known.

One thing we fail to understand is that kings rule over land not just a particular tribe. Anyone been it settler in the land is under the king that rule over the land. Usobo drift down to warri either to trade or were brought in as slaves then(this is one truth that modern urhobo youth don't want to hear) during the slave trade to work or farm for Itsekiri powerful merchants. Do you know that nearly all NANA OLOMU workers were usobos.

The Agbassa, Igbudu, EDJEBA etc that u people are mentioning are you people not aware that they were all won by the Itsekiri in the court of law? That shows your so call kingdom is on land own by another person. Are you people not aware that the court said "apart from an Itsekiri everyone living in Warri are tenant to the OLU OF WARRI? U people should stop decieving other tribes in NAIRALAND

The fact that today politicians creat small small kingdoms for usobo and ijaws in Warri doesn't make them owner because ijaws and Urhobos settlements in warri were all won by the Itsekiris when they think they have grown enough to take Itsekiris to court.

Even the law says that if any man live in your land for 100yrs, he is part of that land. This is why Urhobos and ijaws are now saying they are co- owners in Warri. Democracy says everyone have freedom of everything, so Urhobos are giving right and kingdom in Warri not as owner but because of the law and what democracy stand for.

UGBO-LOKPOSO in Uvwie was not given land by any usobo if usobo gave land to them how come they won 2/3 of the Uvwie LGA. The fact is that in those days Itsekiris had a mean of transport (canoes) which they can use to get to distant places and found new places unlike usobos who had no mean of transport but leg. This is the reason Itsekiri today found thier self in most places but not enough population to occupy most of thier land and because of this mean of transport, you will observe that thier lands are always connect to the river. Usobos who later came to tap palm wine or farming mostly came with much population to overshadowed Itsekiri but Itsekiri were wise early enough to document thier land and transaction with usobo. Usobo are now wondering how can little Itsekiri own vast land. Make una go learn una history jor

Realhommie:
He obviously was referring to the Ijaws and Urhobos..

I have gone through the article. Originally, the Itsekiris were known as Iwerre's. But the Portuguese pronounced as "Warri".. What you people should understand now is that the geographical location or area presently known as Warri extends beyond the Itsekiri kingdom, this is actually the crux of the whole issue here.

No one is disputing the Olu being the king of Warri which original was known as Iwerri i.e King of the Itsekiris. Warri actually begins from Enerhen junction which boundaries Effurun (Uvwie LGA) to those other areas as Agbasa, Igbudu, Okere, Iyara, Deco, Eboh, Angle park, Airport road beginning from the Edjeba axis, Ogunu, Ugbuwangue, Ubeji, Ogbe-ijor, to the riverine like Omadinor, Obodo, Gbaramatu etc and then down to Koko after Oghara along Benin Warri express way. All of these places are homes to either the Itsekiris, the Ijaws or the Urhobos. Warri actually encompasses 3 LGA's. My question is, does it mean the Olu is lord over all these other people? The Itsekiris are the original indigenes and all the others are settlers?


Please without sentiments answer my question. Thanks

Jolo1983:
One thing we fail to understand is that kings rule over land not just a particular tribe. Anyone been it settler in the land is under the king that rule over the land. Usobo drift down to warri either to trade or were brought in as slaves then(this is one truth that modern urhobo youth don't want to hear) during the slave trade to work or farm for Itsekiri powerful merchants. Do you know that nearly all NANA OLOMU workers were usobos.

The Agbassa, Igbudu, EDJEBA etc that u people are mentioning are you people not aware that they were all won by the Itsekiri in the court of law? That shows your so call kingdom is on land own by another person. Are you people not aware that the court said "apart from an Itsekiri everyone living in Warri are tenant to the OLU OF WARRI? U people should stop decieving other tribes in NAIRALAND

The fact that today politicians creat small small kingdoms for usobo and ijaws in Warri doesn't make them owner because ijaws and Urhobos settlements in warri were all won by the Itsekiris when they think they have grown enough to take Itsekiris to court.

Even the law says that if any man live in your land for 100yrs, he is part of that land. This is why Urhobos and ijaws are now saying they are co- owners in Warri. Democracy says everyone have freedom of everything, so Urhobos are giving right and kingdom in Warri not as owner but because of the law and what democracy stand for.

UGBO-LOKPOSO in Uvwie was not given land by any usobo if usobo gave land to them how come they won 2/3 of the Uvwie LGA. The fact is that in those days Itsekiris had a mean of transport (canoes) which they can use to get to distant places and found new places unlike usobos who had no mean of transport but leg. This is the reason Itsekiri today found thier self in most places but not enough population to occupy most of thier land and because of this mean of transport, you will observe that thier lands are always connect to the river. Usobos who later came to tap palm wine or farming mostly came with much population to overshadowed Itsekiri but Itsekiri were wise early enough to document thier land and transaction with usobo. Usobo are now wondering how can little Itsekiri own vast land. Make una go learn una history jor

Lol, interesting angle to the debate. I'll sure do more research on it.

As for the Itsekiris in Ugbolokposo, they haven't been there beyond a 100 years, not even up to. How then do you go in the midst of a people and then claim ownership.... Though the people there are already mixed with the surrounding Uvwie communities/towns namely Ugbomro, Alaka/Ero-Ovie and even as far as Ekpan. No full blooded Itsekiris there anymore as they're either maternally or mostly paternally Uvwie speaking tribe of Urhobo..

And you speak of the Itsekiris having court documents to back up their claims, not in dispute. They got early exposure, education and civilization so this gave them an advantage. They used their connections in government to cunningly acquire most of the lands you speak of, not that it was their right.

P.S - The average Itsekiri man is very cunning/crafty and they're mostly known for land disputes. I do not say this to demean the tribe, it's just a known fact.

Jolo1983:
One thing we fail to understand is that kings rule over land not just a particular tribe. Anyone been it settler in the land is under the king that rule over the land. Usobo drift down to warri either to trade or were brought in as slaves then(this is one truth that modern urhobo youth don't want to hear) during the slave trade to work or farm for Itsekiri powerful merchants. Do you know that nearly all NANA OLOMU workers were usobos.

The Agbassa, Igbudu, EDJEBA etc that u people are mentioning are you people not aware that they were all won by the Itsekiri in the court of law? That shows your so call kingdom is on land own by another person. Are you people not aware that the court said "apart from an Itsekiri everyone living in Warri are tenant to the OLU OF WARRI? U people should stop decieving other tribes in NAIRALAND

The fact that today politicians creat small small kingdoms for usobo and ijaws in Warri doesn't make them owner because ijaws and Urhobos settlements in warri were all won by the Itsekiris when they think they have grown enough to take Itsekiris to court.

Even the law says that if any man live in your land for 100yrs, he is part of that land. This is why Urhobos and ijaws are now saying they are co- owners in Warri. Democracy says everyone have freedom of everything, so Urhobos are giving right and kingdom in Warri not as owner but because of the law and what democracy stand for.

UGBO-LOKPOSO in Uvwie was not given land by any usobo if usobo gave land to them how come they won 2/3 of the Uvwie LGA. The fact is that in those days Itsekiris had a mean of transport (canoes) which they can use to get to distant places and found new places unlike usobos who had no mean of transport but leg. This is the reason Itsekiri today found thier self in most places but not enough population to occupy most of thier land and because of this mean of transport, you will observe that thier lands are always connect to the river. Usobos who later came to tap palm wine or farming mostly came with much population to overshadowed Itsekiri but Itsekiri were wise early enough to document thier land and transaction with usobo. Usobo are now wondering how can little Itsekiri own vast land. Make una go learn una history jor

It very easy to spew words and call them facts. Where is your evidence that "Agbassa, Igbudu, Edjeba etc" were awarded to itsekiri in any court in Nigeria. I have shown you evidence of the 1975 judgement here referenced
( https://nigerialii.org/ng/judgment/supreme-court/1976/48 ).
You show yours and stop deceiving the gullible or distorting fact.

You are very funny indeed, just to bring up a case of 282.1 acre of land won by IGHOGBADU, OKI, IDAMA FAMILIES as a possessory right in IDIMI usobo quarter of Okere community. We the Itsekiri never argue that this case was never won by the family, how does winning 281.1 acres of land transcend into Urhobos owning warri. The said case also maintain that they do not challenge the OLU OF WARRI title over the land.

Note that they did not win Okere community but a very tiny potion of it as a possessory right.

Show me cases where they won Agbassa, igbudu, EDJEBA etc

vanuchi:


It very easy to spew words and call them facts. Where is your evidence that "Agbassa, Igbudu, Edjeba etc" were awarded to itsekiri in any court in Nigeria. I have shown you evidence of the 1975 judgement here referenced
( https://nigerialii.org/ng/judgment/supreme-court/1976/48 ).
You show yours and stop deceiving the gullible or distorting fact.