BassReeves:
Though the Holy Spirit has the attributes similar to a human being as a person, the Holy Spirit has never anywhere in the Bible seen or read to have been worship. This is the important reason why we can not worship the Holy Spirit.

The reason why the Holy Spirit is in trinity is because we live and operate on earth in three dimensional, hence why the Godhead is expressed in trilogy, albeit God, in reality, is not limited to three

The trinity is not dimensions or functions or offices of God but rather persons

livingchrist:
we worship the holy spirit when we worship the father and the Son.

The highlight is 'You worship the holyspirit too'

Nuttella:
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. 3 in 1. They have different functions but they are one being person.

1 John 5:7
[7]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

@livingchrist
What makes you think that your definition of 'Trinity' is the correct one?
Shouldn't you allow Constantine be the judge of that?

Nuttella:
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. 3 in 1. They have different functions but they are one person.

1 John 5:7
[7]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Its a common knowledge that the The Johannine Comma, 1 John 5:7–8, has already been removed in almost all reputable modern Bible versions, and some older versions as well. Even during the early 16th century it was known that the Johannine Comma was spurious , so it was surrounded by parentheses:
Nowhere in the Bible is any support made for Trinity, That The Johannine Comma, 1 John 5:7–8,you quoted was basically forced into the catholic bible and KJV .
It has been rooted out in reputable translations as complete FRAUD

haddeylium:


The highlight is 'You worship the holyspirit too'

Yes

haddeylium:


@livingchrist
What makes you think that your definition of 'Trinity' is the correct one?
Shouldn't you allow Constantine be the judge of that?

there is no " my definition" but " the definition".

haddeylium:


Its a common knowledge that the The Johannine Comma, 1 John 5:7–8, has already been removed in almost all reputable modern Bible versions, and some older versions as well. Even during the early 16th century it was known that the Johannine Comma was spurious , so it was surrounded by parentheses:
Nowhere in the Bible is any support made for Trinity, That The Johannine Comma, 1 John 5:7–8,you quoted was basically forced into the catholic bible and KJV .
It has been rooted out in reputable translations as complete FRAUD

So you are calling what is written in the bible fraud? Wonderful. Even Jesus said I and my father are one, also the holy spirit is the spirit of God
In the meantime, stay with these scriptures.

Galatians 1:8-9
[8]But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9]As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Nuttella:
So you are calling what is written in the bible fraud? Wonderful. Even Jesus said I and my father are one, also the holy spirit is the spirit of God
In the meantime, stay with these scriptures.
Galatians 1:8-9
[8]But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9]As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

There has been controversies over 1John 5:7-8 and even people who are Trinitarians are being skeptical over that Scripture.

That’s why Johannine Comma was mentioned in the post you quoted, so you can go and look up what that means. The interpolation in that verse was not found in the older and more authentic Greek manuscripts, rather it was added in the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible some 300years after John completed those letters to Christians. It was also added to the King James Version centuries later.

The Scriptures says to make sure of all things(1Thessalonians 5:21) so if after someone finds out what the truth means and still keeps on holding on to false notions, it shows that he/she prefers the darkness to the light. John 3:19

Moreover the editor of the Latin Vulgate didn’t take to heart the words found at Revelation 22:18-19 because all what he wanted was to lay a foundation for the false doctrine of Trinity.

BassReeves:
Ephesians 4:30
'And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.'

Acts 5:3-4
3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and [secretly] keep back for yourself some of the proceeds [from the sale] of the land?
4As long as it remained [unsold], did it not remain your own [to do with as you pleased]?
And after it was sold, was the money not under your control?
Why is it that you have conceived this act [of hypocrisy and deceit] in your heart?
You have not [simply] lied to people, but to God.”

I agree with all you wrote hence why I liked the post, but I will complement it with saying the Holy Spirit albeit is not worshipped, which is correct, it and/or He, however, is a person, because the Holy Spirit can be grieved, can be lied to, teaches us, tell us things like where to go or where not to go, reveal things thus, leads us go in certain directions, empowers us with gifts etc. Does all these just as any normal human being would do albeit on a supernatural level than humans would or are capable of doing.

Lastly, notice in how when Acts 5:3-4, in verse 3 said the Holy Spirit was lied to, later on verse 4 qualified who or what exactly is the Holy Spirit, meaning that verse recognised the Holy Spirit to be God

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haddeylium:
This is trinity dogma
God the father
God the Son and
God the holyspirit..

Are you saying the holyspirit is not God? or the dogma is confusing you too

haddeylium, as far as I know, the Holy Spirit is God.

This post Ive replied to here, is haddeylium. Isnt it it? There's nothing confusing in knowing that too.

Now, I repeat, notice in how when Acts 5:3-4, in verse 3, said the Holy Spirit was lied to, later on, verse 4 qualified who or what exactly is the Holy Spirit, meaning that verse recognised the Holy Spirit to be God.

BassReeves:
He who asks a question(s) is confused for five minutes, while he who does not ask a question(s) remains confused forever.

If you know, you know that there isnt anything mysterious about trinity. It only turns to be a mystery if you dont know.



You see from the H₂O states diagram above, I can tell you, at what temperature and moment in time a H₂O molecule becomes fluid, liquid or water, and what temperature and moment in time H₂O becomes, gas, vapour or steam water or even when H₂O also what temperature and moment in time it becomes solid ice block. Each stage and/or transformation of the H₂O molecule change in states, are distinct from each other, but you never can take it from each of them, that they each aren't H₂O.

Now using the changing state of a H₂O molecule, I can tell you:
1. At what moment in time did God become Father
2. At what moment in time did the Word, God become Jesus Christ, Son of God
3. At what moment in time were we in the Bible introduced to the Holy Spirit

Unlike the three changing state of a H₂O molecule, the 'Eggwhite, yolk and shell' sic, has only two states, and so inadequate to make clear trinity to someone with

Confusion, is a word we often embrace for an order which is not yet understood and so an order such as, trinity, becomes confusing for many because they dont understand it

Genesis 1:1-5
'1In the beginning God (i.e. Elohim) created (i.e. by forming from nothing) the heavens and the earth.
2The earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was upon the face of the deep (i.e. primeval ocean that covered the unformed earth) The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.
3And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4God saw that the light was good (i.e. pleasing, useful) and He affirmed and sustained it; and God separated the light (i.e. distinguishing it) from the darkness.
5And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day'

John 1:1-5, 10-11
'1In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (i.e. Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
2He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.
3All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being.
4In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.
5The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it]
10He (Christ) was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11He came to that which was His own [that which belonged to Him--His world, His creation, His possession], and those who were His own [people--the Jewish nation] did not receive and welcome Him.'

It is because we live in a three dimensional world on earth, that the Godhead, in this our terrestrial ecosystem is expressed in three, namely God the Father, the Word Jesus Christ Son of God and the Holy Spirit

It is in Genesis 1: 2 above that we see the Spirit of God doing a preliminary surveying of earth before actual creation work that was done by the triune God began, so the bible does supports the idea of trinity, but it doesnt stop and park at trinity's doorstep, as God goes beyond trinity. God is infinite and/or infinity. So trinity is a means to an end, it is not the end of what the Godhead is

BassReeves:
Matthew 14:33
'Then those in the boat worshiped Him [with awe-inspired reverence], saying,
“Truly You are the Son of God!”'

Jesus, right from being a baby accepted worship of all manners or kind

Acts 5:3-4
"3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and [secretly] keep back for yourself some of the proceeds [from the sale] of the land?
4As long as it remained [unsold], did it not remain your own [to do with as you pleased]?
And after it was sold, was the money not under your control?
Why is it that you have conceived this act [of hypocrisy and deceit] in your heart?
You have not [simply] lied to people, but to God.” '

Acts 8:29
'Then the [Holy] Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.'"'

The Holy Spirit is a Person albeit not a Person to be worshipped. Now from Acts 5:3-4, Acts 8:29 etc we see that there is nothing impersonal about the Holy Spirit, as the verses shows that the Holy Spirit has personal feelings because it speaks, is lied to, is grieved etc. Mind you, it, is interchangeably used with He.

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livingchrist:
The trinity is not dimensions or functions or offices of God but rather persons

I am sure you know that you are re-stating for me, what I've already said before that the Holy Spirit is a Person, albeit not a Person to be worshipped

BassReeves:
He who asks a question(s) is confused for five minutes, while he who does not ask a question(s) remains confused forever.

If you know, you know that there isnt anything mysterious about trinity. It only turns to be a mystery if you dont know.



You see from the H₂O states diagram above, I can tell you, at what temperature and moment in time a H₂O molecule becomes fluid, liquid or water, and what temperature and moment in time H₂O becomes, gas, vapour or steam water or even when H₂O also what temperature and moment in time it becomes solid ice block. Each stage and/or transformation of the H₂O molecule change in states, are distinct from each other, but you never can take it from each of them, that they each aren't H₂O.

Now using the changing state of a H₂O molecule, I can tell you:
1. At what moment in time did God become Father
2. At what moment in time did the Word, God become Jesus Christ, Son of God
3. At what moment in time were we in the Bible introduced to the Holy Spirit

Unlike the three changing state of a H₂O molecule, the 'Eggwhite, yolk and shell' sic, has only two states, and so inadequate to make clear trinity to someone with

Confusion, is a word we often embrace for an order which is not yet understood and so an order such as, trinity, becomes confusing for many because they dont understand it

Genesis 1:1-5
'1In the beginning God (i.e. Elohim) created (i.e. by forming from nothing) the heavens and the earth.
2The earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was upon the face of the deep (i.e. primeval ocean that covered the unformed earth) The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.
3And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4God saw that the light was good (i.e. pleasing, useful) and He affirmed and sustained it; and God separated the light (i.e. distinguishing it) from the darkness.
5And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day'

John 1:1-5, 10-11
'1In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (i.e. Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
2He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.
3All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being.
4In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.
5The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it]
10He (Christ) was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11He came to that which was His own [that which belonged to Him--His world, His creation, His possession], and those who were His own [people--the Jewish nation] did not receive and welcome Him.'

It is because we live in a three dimensional world on earth, that the Godhead, in this our terrestrial ecosystem is expressed in three, namely God the Father, the Word Jesus Christ Son of God and the Holy Spirit

It is in Genesis 1: 2 above that we see the Spirit of God doing a preliminary surveying of earth before actual creation work that was done by the triune God began, so the bible does supports the idea of trinity, but it doesnt stop and park at trinity's doorstep, as God goes beyond trinity. God is infinite and/or infinity. So trinity is a means to an end, it is not the end of what the Godhead is

Matthew 14:33
'Then those in the boat worshiped Him [with awe-inspired reverence], saying,
“Truly You are the Son of God!”'

Jesus, right from being a baby accepted worship of all manners or kind

Acts 5:3-4
"3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and [secretly] keep back for yourself some of the proceeds [from the sale] of the land?
4As long as it remained [unsold], did it not remain your own [to do with as you pleased]?
And after it was sold, was the money not under your control?
Why is it that you have conceived this act [of hypocrisy and deceit] in your heart?
You have not [simply] lied to people, but to God.” '

Acts 8:29
'Then the [Holy] Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.'"'

The Holy Spirit is a Person albeit not a Person to be worshipped. Now from Acts 5:3-4, Acts 8:29 etc we see that there is nothing impersonal about the Holy Spirit, as the verses shows that the Holy Spirit has personal feelings because it speaks, is lied to, is grieved etc. Mind you, it, is interchangeably used with He.

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The trinity is not dimensions or functions or offices of God but rather [b]persons[/b]I am sure to you know that you are re-stating for me what I've already said before that the Holy Spirit is a person, albeit not a Person to be worshipped

The bible is the only source for spiritual truth.
You are saying God maybe more than trinity then your are wrong.
The trinity is the totality of the persons of the Godhead.
Jesus said his disciples should baptize in the name of the father, Son and holy spirit which are all the persons of God no other.

The word of God is not speculations or what ifs but yes or No.

livingchrist:
The bible is the only source for spiritual truth.

The Spirit of Truth guides all believers to the knowledge of all spiritual truth

livingchrist:
You are saying God maybe more than trinity then your are wrong.

God is infinite. God is infinity, not necessarily just plain and ordinary trinity. God is trinity and more

livingchrist:
The trinity is the totality of the persons of the Godhead.

In our terrestrial ecosystem, the totality of the persons of the Godhead is expressed in three dimensions because of the kind of dimension we live and operate on earth

Its funny seeing you making out that God is limited to those three expressions of the Godhead, when God Himself described Himself as I AM that I AM. Do you know the meaning and/or implication of ''Ehyeh' 'Asher' 'Ehyeh'' aka YHWH or Yahweh at all?

livingchrist:
Jesus said his disciples should baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which are all the persons of God no other.

The word of God is not speculations or what ifs but yes or No.

Jesus NEVER said His disciples should baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which are all the persons of God no other. That is a lie from Rome!

Now, correctly what Jesus commanded His disciples to do, was to baptize in His Name, Jesus, without any other person or thing added and this is the reason why every time anyone is baptised after His resurrection, you'll find in the bible, that it was always done in the name of Jesus only.

livingchrist:
The word of God is not speculations or what ifs but yes or No.

The word of God is Yes or No, at the other times its equally polysemous. The word of God is at other times, is deliberately hidden, mysterious, buried or concealed, high reaching etc

asainco:
I want to ask a question about the trinity.. As Christians do we worship Jehova or/and Jesus. I ask, because the bible said in 1corinthians 8:6 there's only one God and we go to him through Jesus. But in some gospel songs we sing about worshipping Jesus, whilst some songs we sing about worshipping Jehova. While some times we pray to Jesus instead of through him. Furthermore since we worship Jehova and Jesus(sometimes) why can't we worship the Holy spirit since he his part of the trinity?.
Ps, please read to understand. Thanks.

The Trinity is simple to understand.

You are a Trinity of
1. Your Physical Identity:
By which all in the physical realm identify and relate to you. This physical identity is your BODY
2. Your Internal/Personal Identity:
By which you identify yourself as You. It's the person you refer to as ME, I, MYSELF. The person who feels Emotions and commands Intellect (memory, logic, sense). This is your soul. Even if surgically, each of your body parts was replaced with a different person's body part, when you wake up, you will still recognise yourself. This internal Identity is your SOUL.
3. Your Spiritual Identity:
Just as in the physical realm, you have a body, in the spirit realm you also have a body. By this spirit body all in the spiritual realm identify and relate to you. This spiritual identity is your SPIRIT.


Each part of your Trinity is INDEPENDENT yet the SAME You. In other words, YOU have three DIFFERENT Personalities representing ONE PERSON (depending on the realm).

The Trinity of God is:
1. The Father:
Who Will/Decides things to Be
2. The Word:
Who Commands things to Be
3. The Spirit:
Who Powers things into Existence

The same God but different personalities

BassReeves:
It is because we live in a three dimensional world on earth, that the Godhead, in this our terrestrial ecosystem is expressed in three, namely God the Father, the Word Jesus Christ Son of God and the Holy Spirit

It is in Genesis 1: 2 above that we see the Spirit of God doing a preliminary surveying of earth before actual creation work that was done by the triune God began, so the bible does supports the idea of trinity, but it doesnt stop and park at trinity's doorstep, as God goes beyond trinity. God is infinite and/or infinity. So trinity, is a means to an end, it is not, the end of what the Godhead is

TenQ:
The Trinity is simple to understand.

You are a Trinity of
1. Your Physical Identity:
By which all in the physical realm identify and relate to you. This physical identity is your BODY
2. Your Internal/Personal Identity:
By which you identify yourself as You. It's the person you refer to as ME, I, MYSELF. The person who feels Emotions and commands Intellect (memory, logic, sense). This is your soul. Even if surgically, each of your body parts was replaced with a different person's body part, when you wake up, you will still recognise yourself. This internal Identity is your SOUL.
3. Your Spiritual Identity:
Just as in the physical realm, you have a body, in the spirit realm you also have a body. By this spirit body all in the spiritual realm identify and relate to you. This spiritual identity is your SPIRIT.


Each part of your Trinity is INDEPENDENT yet the SAME You. In other words, YOU have three DIFFERENT Personalities representing ONE PERSON (depending on the realm).

The Trinity of God is:
1. The Father:
Who Will/Decides things to Be
2. The Word:
Who Commands things to Be
3. The Spirit:
Who Powers things into Existence

The same God but different personalities

Soul, is actually you. You were and allowed to come into being, so to freely express yourself on earth, the best you're cut out for and/or the best you're capable of doing

At the point of death, there and then, you draw your last breath, after your last inhalation, the breath aka spirit, returns back to its Owner. Your body returns to the ground as dust, while your soul travels to a departure lounge, stay there, awaiting boarding flight to the Judgment Day destination

Your soul, you, needs and uses the spirit to tune in to frequency(ies) that connects with receiving from and sending to the Godhead.

Spirit is grieved. Soul can be tormented.
All things you see or experience on earth are shadows of real things in the spiritual realm
Tormented souls will feel pain, anguish, will lament etc

Bottom line, you, as a human being, a terrestrial spirit, is tripartite., but God is not a terrestrial Spirit and so cannot be limited to three. Numerically speaking there is and always be ONE God. Trinity or no trinity, the Lord, Our God, is One.

BassReeves:
The Spirit of Truth guides all believers to the knowledge of all spiritual truth

Like I said, the bible is the only source of spiritual truth. The Holy spirit cannot guide a believer out of the bible.

God is infinite. [s]God is infinity, not necessarily just plain and ordinary trinity.[/s] God is trinity and more

sorry the trinity is not ordinary, that is blasphemous.
What you are peddling is simply unscritural.

our terrestrial ecosystem, the totality of the persons of the Godhead is expressed in three dimensions because of the kind of dimension we live and operate on earth

Pure crap! The persons of God is not an expression but what God is.

Its funny seeing you making out thatGod is limited to those three expressions of the Godhead, when God Himself described Himself as I AM that I AM. Do you know the meaning and/or implication of ''Ehyeh' 'Asher' 'Ehyeh'' aka YHWH or Yahweh at all?

You dont even know what you quoted.
I AM that I AM means the God that does not change.

Do you know one of the character of God is immutability meaning God doesn't change.

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

What God is yesterday is what he is today and what he will be forever.

God is the trinity today, He has always being the trinity and he will always be the trinity.

Jesus NEVER said His disciples should baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which are all the persons of God no other. That is a lie from Rome!

Now, correctly what Jesus commanded His disciples to do, was to baptize in His Name, Jesus, without any other person or thing added and this is the reason why every time anyone is baptised after His resurrection, you'll find in the bible, that it was always done in the name of Jesus only.

The word of God is Yes or No, at the other times its equally polysemous. The word of God is at other times, is deliberately hidden, mysterious, buried or concealed, high reaching etc

you are Deluded! Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mathew 28:19 is the totality of the pereons of the Godhead,
Looking beyond this means you are available for satan.

haddeylium:


You sef! Are you not confused?
Till date , trinity is still a mystery. Actually, it depends on how an individual was taught about.
Some based their explanation on Ice block others on Eggwhite, yolk and shell. These will actually influence individual approach to his God in worship.

What makes it more confusing is that the Bible does not support the idea of a trinity.
If we accept the pure sayings of the Bible, the trinity is not a problem nor confusing, because it does not exist.
Thank you

But blasphemy against the Holy Spirit have no forgiveness either now or ever!

Who is the Holy Spirit?

livingchrist:
[s]Like I said, the bible is the only source of spiritual truth. The Holy spirit cannot guide a believer out of the bible.

sorry the trinity is not ordinary, that is blasphemous.
What you are peddling is simply unscritural.


Pure crap! The persons of God is not an expression but what God is.

You dont even know what you quoted.
I AM that I AM means the God that does not change.

Do you know one of the character of God is immutability meaning God doesn't change.

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

What God is yesterday is what he is today and what he will be forever.

God is the trinity today, He has always being the trinity and he will always be the trinity.

you are Deluded![/s] Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mathew 28:19 is the totality of the pereons of the Godhead,
[s]Looking beyond this means you are available for satan.[/s]

You are someone not to be taken seriously. You're a learner with a big green letter L hanging round your neck.

Your gullibility, scripture deficiency and biblical truth decay betrays your ignorance that, for a very good reason, trinity isnt a word found in the bible.

Also you have no idea, you are not aware that it is the RCC that added 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost' forgery into Mathew 28:19, taking out the original ' ... in My Name' words.

BassReeves:
You are someone not to be taken seriously. You're a learner with a big green letter L hanging round your neck.

Your gullibility, scripture deficiency and biblical truth decay betrays your ignorance that, for a very good reason, trinity isnt a word found in the bible.

Also you have no idea, you are not aware that it is the RCC that added 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost' forgery into Mathew 28:19, taking out the original ' ... in My Name' words.

Baseless assertion, these are anti trinitarians false narratives.
At Jesus baptism all members of the trinity was present, Jesus only spake of two other members of the trinity, the father who bare witness of him and the spirit who will testify of him. Throughout the bible the three members of the trinity appear. In the old testament, the word of Jehovah, Jehovah and the spirit of Jehovah.
Isaiah 48:16
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
The Lord God.......one person
His spirit........second person
The one sent.......third person

God has always being a trinity.

livingchrist:
Baseless assertion, these are anti trinitarians false narratives.

You can say this to the anti trinitarians, when you face them

livingchrist:
At Jesus baptism all members of the trinity was present, Jesus only spake of two other members of the trinity, the father who bare witness of him and the spirit who will testify of him. Throughout the bible the three members of the trinity appear. In the old testament, the word of Jehovah, Jehovah and the spirit of Jehovah.
Isaiah 48:16
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
The Lord God.......one person
His spirit........second person
The one sent.......third person

God has always being a trinity.

You're merely re-instating my every points for me, but you're unable to deny that its the RCC that added 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost' forgery into Mathew 28:19, taking out the original ' ... in My Name' words.

What Jesus commanded His disciples to do, was to baptize in His Name, Jesus, without any other person or thing added and this is the reason why every time anyone is baptised after His resurrection, you'll find in the bible, that it was always done in the name of Jesus only and not 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost'

The only Spirit we worship is God, we dont worship the Holy Spirit. God has never instructed anyone to worship the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has never in the bible, in any shape or form ever being worshipped

Nuttella:
So you are calling what is written in the bible fraud?

Yes! What was spuriously added to it.
Really? Any honesthearted person research would make research if you don't have prior knowledge about the FRAUD done here.
https://biblehub.com/1_john/5-7.htm
Check many translations and you will that it has been rooted out. You might even check the commentary by Trinitarian themselves about the claim that it was spuriously added
This sort of manipulation of scripture harms the credibility of the Bible, and calls into question the validity of the doctrine it supports. Doesn't it?

Wonderful. Even Jesus said I and my father are one, also the holy spirit is the spirit of God
In the meantime, stay with these scriptures.

I agree with the latter. The holyspirit is God's own. it's even called God's power.
Perhaps youve not considered this part of the scripture before;John 17: 21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Now how many people do you have in the trinity now? Maybe the disciples will mixmash and become hundrednity?

So, when Jesus said, “I and the Father are one,” he was speaking, not of a mysterious Trinity, but of a wonderful unity​—the closest bond possible between people.

Nuttela, Don't work yourself over it. The concept of trinity doesn't exist in the Bible

livingchrist:
there is no " my definition" but " the definition".

Really?
The other two Trinitarians you're arguing with will also say the same about their definition. Don't you think?

BassReeves:
You can say this to the anti trinitarians, when you face them

You're merely re-instating my every points for me, but you're unable to deny that its the RCC that added 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost' forgery into Mathew 28:19, taking out the original ' ... in My Name' words.

You are not serious! Provide proof of your claim

What Jesus commanded His disciples to do, was to baptize in His Name, Jesus, without any other person or thing added and this is the reason why every time anyone is baptised after His resurrection, you'll find in the bible, that it was always done in the name of Jesus only and not 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost'

The only Spirit we worship is God, we dont worship the Holy Spirit. God has never instructed anyone to worship the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has never in the bible, in any shape or form ever being worshipped

When yahweh is worshiped the holy spirit is worshipped because the holy spirit is Yahweh.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

The spirit of Yaweh is yaweh.

TenQ:

But blasphemy against the Holy Spirit have no forgiveness either now or ever!

Who is the Holy Spirit?

The holyspirit belongs to God. It's God's spirit/God's power.
Blasphemy against the holyspirit means blasphemy against God's power in action.And of course, the Father is greater than Jesus. So, it's unforgivable Friend

livingchrist:
You are not serious! Provide proof of your claim

Wallow in your ignorance

livingchrist:
yahweh is worshiped the holy spirit is worshipped because the holy spirit is Yahweh.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

The spirit of Yaweh is yaweh.

All you are doing is proof text with 2 Corinthians 3:17, which means you used that verse from the Bible for the purpose of accomplishing your wuru wuru eisegesis

God, we know explicitly in the Bible, is worshipped. Jesus, we know explicitly in the Bible, is worshipped (e.g. the Magi etc worshipped Jesus) Now show where, explicitly in the Bible, that the Holy Spirit is ever worshipped.

haddeylium:
Its a common knowledge that the The Johannine Comma, 1 John 5:7–8, has already been removed in almost all reputable modern Bible versions, and some older versions as well. Even during the early 16th century it was known that the Johannine Comma was spurious , so it was surrounded by parentheses:
[s]Nowhere in the Bible is any support made for Trinity,[/s] That The Johannine Comma, 1 John 5:7–8, you quoted was basically forced into the catholic bible and KJV .
It has been rooted out in reputable translations as complete FRAUD

Genesis 1:1-5
'1In the beginning God (i.e. Elohim) created (i.e. by forming from nothing) the heavens and the earth.
2The earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was upon the face of the deep (i.e. primeval ocean that covered the unformed earth) The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.
3And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4God saw that the light was good (i.e. pleasing, useful) and He affirmed and sustained it; and God separated the light (i.e. distinguishing it) from the darkness.
5And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day'

John 1:1-5, 10-11
'1In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (i.e. Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
2He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.
3All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being.
4In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.
5The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it]
10He (Christ) was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11He came to that which was His own [that which belonged to Him--His world, His creation, His possession], and those who were His own [people--the Jewish nation] did not receive and welcome Him.'

It is because we live in a three dimensional world on earth, that the Godhead, in this our terrestrial ecosystem is expressed in three, namely God the Father, the Word Jesus Christ Son of God and the Holy Spirit

It is in Genesis 1: 2 above that we see the Spirit of God doing a preliminary surveying of earth before actual creation work that was done by the triune God began, so the bible does supports the idea of trinity, but it doesnt stop and park at trinity's doorstep, as God goes beyond trinity. God is infinite and/or infinity. So trinity is a means to an end, it is not the end of what the Godhead is

haddeylium:
Yes! What was spuriously added to it.
Really? Any honesthearted person research would make research if you don't have prior knowledge about the FRAUD done here.
https://biblehub.com/1_john/5-7.htm
Check many translations and you will that it has been rooted out. You might even check the commentary by Trinitarian themselves about the claim that it was spuriously added
This sort of manipulation of scripture harms the credibility of the Bible, and calls into question the validity of the doctrine it supports. Doesn't it?

I agree with the latter. The holyspirit is God's own. it's even called God's power.
Perhaps youve not considered this part of the scripture before;John 17: 21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Now how many people do you have in the trinity now? Maybe the disciples will mixmash and become hundrednity?

So, when Jesus said, “I and the Father are one,” he was speaking, not of a mysterious Trinity, but of a wonderful unity​—the closest bond possible between people.

Nuttela, Don't work yourself over it. The concept of trinity doesn't exist in the Bible

The concept of trinity does exist in the Bible. It is the word trinity that doesn't exist in the Bible.

God in His infinite wisdom, deliberately and in a calculative way, had the word trinity omitted in the Bible because an infinity and/or infinite God, cannot be fully described by a finite illustration or the limits of trinity.

Focus on the point that God is One, aside accepting the fact truth and reality of the unity of the Godhead. Anti trinitarians, trinitarians and even JWs won't understand this, that, God, is a primary number, One. God, primarily, is a cardinal numeral, One.

Gibberish, you are confused

BassReeves:
Wallow in your ignorance

All you are doing is proof text with 2 Corinthians 3:17, which means you used that verse from the Bible for the purpose of accomplishing your wuru wuru eisegesis

God, we know explicitly in the Bible, is worshipped. Jesus, we know explicitly in the Bible, is worshipped (e.g. the Magi etc worshipped Jesus) Now show where, explicitly in the Bible, that the Holy Spirit is ever worshipped.

haddeylium:


The holyspirit belongs to God. It's God's spirit/God's power.
Blasphemy against the holyspirit means blasphemy against God's power in action.And of course, the Father is greater than Jesus. So, it's unforgivable Friend

Every sin is against God isn't it?
Blasphemy against God has forgiveness BUT blasphemy against His property doesn't!?

Acts 5:3-4
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God .”

Eph 4:30
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

livingchrist:
Gibberish, you are confused

God, we know, explicitly in the Bible, is worshipped. Jesus, we know, explicitly in the Bible, is worshipped (e.g. the Magi etc worshipped Jesus)

Now show where, explicitly in the Bible, that the Holy Spirit is ever worshipped. Smh.

livingchrist:
Gibberish, you are confused

After all isn’t that what Trinity is all about in the first place? What else do you expect apart from CONFUSION ?

That's why they're puzzled each time they look at Jehovah's Witnesses and noticed how we've come to have ONE mind on scriptural topics {John 17:20-23} so when they can't help it they concluded labelling us CULT group! Matthew 10:25

DappaD:

After all isn’t that what Trinity is all about in the first place? What else do you expect apart from CONFUSION ?

TenQ:

Every sin is against God isn't it?
Blasphemy against God has forgiveness BUT blasphemy against His property doesn't!?

[/i]

Actually, your understanding of that will depends on whether you believe that Jesus is the Son of God or God the Son

BassReeves:
[b].

God in His infinite wisdom, deliberately and in a calculative way, had the word trinity omitted in the Bible because an infinity and/or infinite God, cannot be fully described by a finite illustration or the limits of trinity.

See ehn, don't even bother yourself with the convoluted exegesis because the doctrine and concept does not exist
Thanks for your time