I trust this permutation to an extent.

As likely as your suggestions is we have nothing in the universe to prove that so until it is proven. A contest btw the duo of an APC backed Elrufai n PDP backed Kwakwaso will likely not yield a victory for the later, so have both as VP to have a clearer picture of my discuss.

Praxis758:

For your information, Ganduje's influence is limited to Kano in that north west. The second biggest super tanker in the north is Kwakwanso after Buhari. You can confirm this from anyone who is conversant with political reality in the north.

PrinceOfLagos:
Still a win win for the south east people if you know what I mean ...

Dave Umahi will not sleep tonight

He messed up by joining the world most useless political party, The APC

Coping strategies. Lmao

SE is the most redundant region in the country. Always overlooked

No point referring to them as a major ethnic group. Niger Delta has taken over

PrinceOfLagos:

So is Ifeanyi Okowa not Igbo?

is Rotimi Ameachi Ibo man?

seunmsg:
I don’t think Jonathan can defeat Wike. Wike is the man to best as far as PDP presidential ticket is concerned.

Jonathan will beat Wike hands down.

In the SS, both his Ijaw people and Igbo-speaking people will choose Jonathan. Ibibio and Urhobo votes will be 50-50. Wike's Obigbo massacre has seriously dented his appeal.

Of course in the SE, Jonathan will whoop Wike also. So in both the SS and SE, Jonathan will have the upper hand.

Now in the SW, NC, NE and NW it will probably be a 50-50 affair, or perhaps a slight advantage for Jonathan.

The only problems Jonathan may have in the SE is that people will see him as weak, and perhaps very intimidatable by the northern power brokers, and also the fact that he will only have 4 years to preside. But in spite of these negative points, he will still far outshine Wike in the SE.

OfoIgbo:


Jonathan will beat Wike hands down.

In the SS, both his Ijaw people and Igbo-speaking people will choose Jonathan. Ibibio and Urhobo votes will be 50-50. Wike's Obigbo massacre has seriously dented his appeal.

Of course in the SE, Jonathan will whoop Wike also. So in both the SS and SE, Jonathan will have the upper hand.

Now in the SW, NC, NE and NW it will probably be a 50-50 affair, or perhaps a slight advantage for Jonathan.

The only problems Jonathan may have in the SE is that people will see him as weak, and perhaps very intimidatable by the northern power brokers, and also the fact that he will only have 4 years to preside. But in spite of these negative points, he will still far outshine Wike in the SE.

Ask yourself why an Igbo man isn't even in the picture....you people have been reduced to playing second fiddle to ijaws that are less than 30% of ibo tribe simply because of your group pride and arrogance.

OfoIgbo:


Jonathan will beat Wike hands down.

In the SS, both his Ijaw people and Igbo-speaking people will choose Jonathan. Ibibio and Urhobo votes will be 50-50. Wike's Obigbo massacre has seriously dented his appeal.

Of course in the SE, Jonathan will whoop Wike also. So in both the SS and SE, Jonathan will have the upper hand.

Now in the SW, NC, NE and NW it will probably be a 50-50 affair, or perhaps a slight advantage for Jonathan.

The only problems Jonathan may have in the SE is that people will see him as weak, and perhaps very intimidatable by the northern power brokers, and also the fact that he will only have 4 years to preside. But in spite of these negative points, he will still far outshine Wike in the SE.

We are talking about PDP presidential primary where money will play a very vital role here. As it stands, Wike stands a better chance than Jonathan in the party because of his influence. Jonathan will have to outspend him if he intends to win the ticket and I don’t see that happening except Atiku comes to his rescue and I don’t see Atiku doing that.

Ethnicity will play little or no role in the primary. Control over party structure, alliances and money will decide who wins the primary. So, forget about the ethnic divide in the SS, it won’t play any significant role.

It Is Northern Presidency Or Nothing Else

richmond500:
Its no news, Igbos like to run away from problems than facing it

Through out the history of this country the igbos are the only one's that genuinely worked to solve the problems of this country, be it unity, corruption, tribalism, economical and political etc the igbos always do the work then get pushed aside for others to harvest , if an igbo becomes president today the entire country will be United on grounds of common hate for the igbos

budaatum:


I don't quite know where you get that from. Limited reading of history perhaps, or the same sort of mentality that yells "Fulani" whenever someone is kidnapped or killed?

Igbos are not the only history makers in Nigeria. Please go read some more to be informed.

I know what I'm talking about, everyone should continue blaming the igbos for everything, igbos are blamed for secession not been included in Nigerian Constitution, igbos are blamed for unitary system of government, igbos are blamed for starting a coup igbos are blamed for abiola's president denial , igbos are blamed for 419 , etc igbos are the only one's making history in Nigeria , I agree nothing will change in Nigeria till an igbo changes it

jimyjames:


Through out the history of this country the igbos are the only one's that genuinely worked to solve the problems of this country, be it [quoteunity,

Igbos don't sell their land to others but buy other peoples land, where is the unity u preach?

corruption,

Igbo government are the most corrupt, they steal everything and leave their state open for mockery

tribalism,

Igbos hate and insult every other tribe

economical

list igbos and their businesses that are in top ten in Nigeria

and political

Igbos are the least political conscious that no party will want to give them their ticket

the igbos always do the work then get pushed aside for other to harvest

like beating the fldrum of war?

if an igbo becomes president today the entire country will be United on grounds of common hate for the igbos

Even Igbos are not united, Hausa unites with the Fulani in the north, Yoruba is united despite having Muslims and Christians, SS is united despite having different ethnic groups

jimyjames:


I know what I'm talking about, everyone should continue blaming the igbos for everything, igbos are blamed for secession not been included in Nigerian Constitution, igbos are blamed for unitary system of government, igbos are blamed for starting a coup igbos are blamed for abiola's president denial , igbos are blamed for 419 , etc igbos are the only one's making history in Nigeria , I agree nothing will change in Nigeria till an igbo changes it

Last time I checked, bubu and fulani were being blamed for everything wrong in Nigeria, so while I don't agree that to be true or that Igbos are to blame, I'm glad you are willing to not follow the multitude even though your minority opinion is equally as false.

[quote author=richmond500 post=106380393][/quote]
you
[s]Igbos don't sell their land to others but buy other peoples land, where is the unity u preach?
corruption,[/s]
me
False how many of you can afford lands in igboland when a plot of land in igboland can buy ten plots in your homeland?

you
[s]Igbo government are the most corrupt, they steal everything and leave their state open for mocker[/s]y
me
Igbo land was completely destroyed during the war, we rebuilt it ourselves with the help of no one, whatever we lack in igboland is same in other regions that never experienced the destructions we experienced, other regions should be like Dubai by now cause they have no excuse whatsoever
you
tribalism,
Igbos hate and insult every other tribe
me
Tribalism was started by awolowo and ahmado bello, zik was an igbo man who won election in South West, awolowo a bigot played a tribal card to it, that's how it started
you
[s]economical

list igbos and their businesses that are in top ten in Nigeria[/s]
me
Every top business person in Nigeria from other tribes made their business through federal connection, , from 20 pounds igbos gained back their lost wealth, no tribe in Nigeria can do that
you
and [s]political
Igbos are the least political conscious that no party will want to give them their ticket
the igbos always do the work then get pushed aside for other to harvest
like beating the fldrum of war[/s]?
me
It was a vow to do everything possible to keep igbos from becoming president we all know that
if an igbo becomes president today the entire country will be United on grounds of common hate for the igbos

you
[s]Even Igbos are not united, Hausa unites with the Fulani in the north, Yoruba is united despite having Muslims and Christians, SS is united despite having different ethnic groups[/s]
me
That's the reason you all will unite against the igbos to wipe them out in a genocidal war like you did in 1966-1970.

budaatum:


Last time I checked, bubu and fulani were being blamed for everything wrong in Nigeria, so while I don't agree that to be true or that Igbos are to blame, I'm glad you are willing to not follow the multitude even though your minority opinion is equally as false.

The blame on fulani is of recent, through out history igbos have always been tagged the enemy of Nigeria

jimyjames:


The blame on fulani is of recent, through out history igbos have always been tagged the enemy of Nigeria

If you mean those seeking to destroy Nigeria in order to create Biafra, I might be inclined to somewhat agree with you, but I just happen to be aware that there are quite a lot of antibiafra one Nigeria Igbos.

seunmsg:


We are talking about PDP presidential primary where money will play a very vital role here. As it stands, Wike stands a better chance than Jonathan in the party because of his influence. Jonathan will have to outspend him if he intends to win the ticket and I don’t see that happening except Atiku comes to his rescue and I don’t see Atiku doing that.

Ethnicity will play little or no role in the primary. Control over party structure, alliances and money will decide who wins the primary. So, forget about the ethnic divide in the SS, it won’t play any significant role.

Ok I thought you were talking about their general appeal.

BY the way, it makes better strategic sense for Atiku to support Gej, after all he can only do a maximum of 4 years, after which the presidency supposedly reverts back to the north.

Don't be surprised if the northern moneybags that have stolen the nation blind over the last 6 years, decide to throw their weight behind gej, just to ensure power returns to the north after 4years. Wike is quite vulnerable, if you ask me

PrinceOfLagos:









Jonathan, Okowa mentioned in PDP presidential prospects as south East governors loses out

Jonathan, Okowa mentioned in PDP presidential prospects as south East governors loses out
President Goodluck Jonathan and Governor Ifeanyi Okowa of Delta State were at the weekend being mentioned in the new permutations for the presidential ticket of the Peoples Democratic Party, PDP following the planned rezoning of party offices in the opposition party.

The new permutations followed the decision of the Governor Ifeanyi Ugwuanyi led zoning committee to rotate the office of National Chairman of the PDP to the North. Despite Governor Ugwuanyi’s claim that his committee’s mandate did not cover the zoning of the 2023 presidential ticket, multiple sources in the party told Saturday Vanguard that his assertion was just a matter of sophistry.



In that dimension and for the first time, political gladiators from the North were at the weekend sensitizing on the prospects of a Northern national chairman of the PDP. However, religion and ethnicity were surfacing to thwart the prospects of some of the leading northern PDP chieftains.

Among those being mentioned in political circles at the weekend were Senator Ahmed Makarfi, a former governor of Kaduna State, Senator David Mark, a former president of the Senate, Alhaji Tanimu Turaki a former minister in the Jonathan cabinet, Prof. Jerry Gana, a former minister in the Olusegun Obasanjo administration, former Governor Sule Lamido and former Governor Babangida Aliyu.



However, the decision to rezone the office of the national chairman of the PDP to the North, and with it, the prospect of a Southern presidential candidate according to party sources has focused attention on the prospective presidential nominees with the Southern governors and former President Jonathan emerging as leading possibilities.

The emergence of Jonathan as a factor in the race is being drummed by some Northern political actors with mostly members of his last cabinet as champions. Turaki who served as his Special Duties minister and is presently chairman of the former ministers forum, one source told Saturday Vanguard yesterday, was in the driving seat of the Jonathan project.



Remarkably, Turaki is also being mentioned for the post of national chairman, but it was gathered that he was putting any national chairmanship aspiration secondary to the Jonathan project.

The Jonathan project is bound to upset the permutations of those who had been championing his possible defection to the All Progressives Congress, APC with the hope of realizing a re-election on the platform of the party that drove him from power six years ago.



However, the Jonathan PDP project, just as the Jonathan APC project, it was gathered is facing steep competition from Southern critics who say that it is a way of shortchanging the South’s expectation for an eight year presidential run.

Those against Jonathan in the South and a few including one Northern Middle-Belt political actor told Saturday Vanguard yesterday that some PDP stakeholders were also narrowing down on Governor Okowa.

Okowa’s ascendency was being weaved upon the team-building nature his candidacy could push following the near elimination of the two Igbo governors in the PDP.

Besides the claim that the PDP has become a minority in the Southeast, the two Igbo governors in the PDP, Ugwuanyi and Okeize Ikpeazu (Abia) were also being said to be surrounded with claims of loyalty to the party. Both governors have in the past been speculated as possible defectors to the APC.

“The Fulani will never allow an Igbo president of Nigeria at this time,” one Northern minority PDP chieftain privy to some of the undercurrents told Saturday Vanguard yesterday.

With the apparent determination to lock out the Southeast from the presidential contest, the focus it was gathered, was shifting towards the South-South with Governors Udom Emmanuel of Akwa Ibom and Nyesom Wike of Rivers State as possible offers.

However, canvassers of the Okowa proposal were pushing the claim that he is a bridge between the South-South and the Southeast given the fact that he is from the Delta Ibo speaking region of Delta State.

“It is something that is sellable for the PDP. He is deeply from the South-South and is one that will be acceptable to the Southeast,” the Northern minority PDP chieftain told Saturday Vanguard.

However, a source close to Governor Okowa laughed off the issue when contacted saying that it was not something that has crossed the governor’s mind.

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However, one political stakeholder in the PDP speaking on the evolving development yesterday said that Okowa who has been appreciated for his efforts in the past in conducing PDP conventions, notably, the 2018 convention, could run into difficulty from some of his colleagues.

“Okowa’s problem could come from some of his colleagues who could see him as a threat. Some governors also see Okowa as one who always plays down his political shrewdness.”

The factor of Okowa’s political sharpness was one factor that was helping to drum support for Jonathan as some of the outgoing governors believe that they could thrive better out of office with Jonathan as president even if it is for one term.

Meanwhile, religion was counting as a factor in the emerging contest for the national chairmanship of the PDP.

With the seeming decision to zone the presidential ticket to the South, party sources told Saturday Vanguard yesterday that Northern Christians in the chairmanship race could be wielded out as a way of carrying the Northern Muslims in the party along.

Besides, Prof. Jerry Gana who one source listed as a possible aspirant was also facing the challenge that he had only recently returned to the party after his earlier defection.

Former Governor Aliyu who was also being strongly mentioned in the emerging race was also being discounted on account of the internal divisions in the Niger State chapter of the PDP and the strong acrimony between him and some party chieftains who argue that he betrayed the party in the 2015 election.


https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/jonathan-okowa-mentioned-as-pdp-presidential-prospects-as-s-east-governors-lose-out/

Lalasticlala Mynd44

See representation: Delta Ibo speaking region of Delta State. What will you teach your children about Nigeria?

budaatum:


If you mean those seeking to destroy Nigeria in order to create Biafra, I might be inclined to somewhat agree with you, but I just happen to be aware that there are quite a lot of antibiafra one Nigeria Igbos.

No matter how much igbos preach one Nigeria, the thought of igbo ruling this country creates tension

jimyjames:


No matter how much igbos preach one Nigeria, the thought of igbo ruling this country creates tension

I would not say I disagree. One can't be shouting "Biafra" and be trusted to "One Nigeria".

budaatum:


I would not say I disagree. One can't be shouting "Biafra" and be trusted to "One Nigeria".

But you trust someone shouting Islamic State sharia law with one Nigeria?

Saao:
and could be the best candidate from southeast because of his neutrality towards national issues.

Now, you agree that his neutrality on national issues would boost his acceptance as a presidential candidate. But his people want him to be fanatical and extremely biased on national issues!

jimyjames:

But you trust someone shouting Islamic State sharia law with one Nigeria?

Please go and educate yourself. "Someone shouting Islamic State sharia law" would not be advocating education for women nor allow their daughter to dream the dreams she dreams!

https://dailynorthwestern.com/2018/04/24/campus/emir-of-kano-muhammadu-sanusi-ii-talks-education-sharia-law/

budaatum:


Please go and educate yourself. "Someone shouting Islamic State sharia law" would not be advocating education for women nor allow their daughter to dream the dreams she dreams!

https://dailynorthwestern.com/2018/04/24/campus/emir-of-kano-muhammadu-sanusi-ii-talks-education-sharia-law/

If Boko Haram and iswap are not northerners shouting Islamic State sharia law, then Igbos are not from South East shouting biafra

Nobody will select the highly explosive Wike as pdp presidential candidate

seunmsg:
I don’t think Jonathan can defeat Wike. Wike is the man to best as far as PDP presidential ticket is concerned.

jimyjames:


If Boko Haram and iswap are not northerners shouting Islamic State sharia law, then Igbos are not from South East shouting biafra

But Boko Haram and Iswap and Ipob are all the same Nigeria destroying lot, and last time I checked, Sanusi was not their member nor was he shouting Sharia as you wrongly claimed!

budaatum:


But Boko Haram and Iswap and Ipob are all the same Nigeria destroying lot, and last time I checked, Sanusi was not their member nor was he shouting Sharia as you wrongly claimed!

Good, the last time I checked South East governors are not part of ipob and they are the reason Igbos are tagged terrorists, while Boko Haram and iswaps are been rehabilitated

jimyjames:

Good, the last time I checked South East governors are not part of ipob and they are the reason Igbos are tagged terrorists, while Boko Haram and iswaps are been rehabilitated

Kindly name one single South East Governor calling for Biafra please.

budaatum:


Kindly name one single South East Governor calling for Biafra please.

Read my comment again

jimyjames:

Read my comment again

I don't need to. See the people you claim are being rehabilitated.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKtq0dV0IA0

budaatum:


I don't need to. See the people you claim are being rehabilitated.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKtq0dV0IA0

Smokescreen just playing to the gallery deceiving people, if northerners are serious they will give names of Boko Haram sponsors they are prominent people in the North

jimyjames:

Smokescreen just playing to the gallery deceiving people, if northerners are serious they will give names of Boko Haram sponsors they are prominent people in the North

You must know their names already if they are as prominent as you claim.

Go on, give names of Boko Haram sponsors if they are as prominent as you claim.