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dhardline:
You can argue from now till tomorrow just to suit your hearts desire for it not to be, but we all know the baby is a seperate entity in the woman's body same reason when a person kills a pregnant woman he/she is charged with double homicide. So I'm wondering where your 'logically and scientific' claim comes from, when the law says otherwise.

Then leave alone.Why are you aborting something you cannot count.

Joshthefirst:
How do you know a fetus is not a human being? Is it because it's still in the womb? Isn't s foetus a developing human? It's what we learned in school oh. Science

Argue with the scientists a foetus isn't fully human and cannot technically have any rights that is the argument depending on the school of thought you belong to,some also argue if the foetus has same rights as the person carrying it.

[quote author=Evangelynn post=106381172]Logically and scientifically abortion is not and can never be muder.Never you compare a human being with inalienable rights to a foetus/embryo because the person carrying such an embryo has full and exclusive rights to her body to decide how she sees fit not the embryo.

Abortion is not murder that is just the emotional religious blackmail we hear
Just leave it alone then if it is just a foetus.

Evangelynn:
Lol abortion isn't murder and a foetus isn't a human being technically,children are born by parents who prepare and choose to have them so bye bye

Do not go.

Do you have any absolute proof that a foetus is not human? Does its DNA not contain the complete coding for a full human? Does it not already have parts that will sustain even when it becomes an 80 year old adult. Where exactly is your absolute technical proof.

Mind you that Isaac Newton and all his proteges are yet to provide absolute proofs of any of his 3 laws of physics till today. That's why they have been reduxed to the world of so called classical physics- a fairy tale that we actually live and see.

Pls pls stop this disinformation,this is d problem with social media.
my people every organism has its life cycle.by this persons logic a caterpillar is not a butterfly, neither is nymph a mosquito(insect) so u can kill them as u will. This people com online n start deceiving people. A fetus is jus a stage in human(homo sapein)life-cycle dat we all must pass thru this is undisputed fact beyond science. Anything any1 else is trying to convince u to bliv its a lie from deepest part of hell.
My people get knowledge n get wisdom do not b fool by d wicked in high placed. Peace

Evangelynn:
Lol abortion isn't murder and a foetus isn't a human being technically,children are born by parents who prepare and choose to have them so bye bye

GerogeI:
I think you are the one who does not understand the points of contention, hence you think arguing about whether foetus are human is a guarantee of parental rights to choose.

The whole point is that parents should not have a right to choose if someone else should be alive. Especially if parents where given birth to, as well by someone else who also endured the travails. Stop deceiving yourself about parents rights. It is because the advocates of this infanticide cannot find any moral ground to support this your touted parents right to choose, that they started making stupid definitions about when a foetus becomes a human being so they can say, yes it's just like chicken so you can kill it. As if in all our scientfic progress we can tell anything about the source of our consciousness. If we could, then we could as well just make babies ourselves in a factory.

Lol,go and take care of all the unwanted children in the world who are left as destitutes and criminals,born into poverty and cruelty after that we talk.
I don't want to argue what you raised because there is no need for that ,you think it is easy to be a parent okay very well start by adopting the homeless and carrying for the children left to suffer and die when you do believe me when I tell you that abortion will reduce until then na wishful thinking because abortion will still take place and where it is illegal it is back alley abortions which are unsafe.

Godszilla:
Pls pls stop this disinformation,this is d problem with social media.
my people every organism has its life cycle.by this persons logic a caterpillar is not a butterfly, neither is nymph a mosquito(insect) so u can kill them as u will. This people com online n start deceiving people. A fetus is jus a stage in human(homo sapein)life-cycle dat we all must pass thru this is undisputed fact beyond science. Anything any1 else is trying to convince u to bliv its a lie from deepest part of hell.
My people get knowledge n get wisdom do not b fool by d wicked in high placed. Peace

It isn't disinformation, abortion is not murder and a foetus is technically not a human being with any rights whatsoever

Evangelynn:
It isn't disinformation, abortion is not murder and a foetus is technically not a human being with any rights whatsoever

Simple science a new DNA property is formed
That's life

Period

No amount of rationalizations can't change these immutable fact

Evangelynn:
Lol,go and take care of all the unwanted children in the world who are left as destitutes and criminals,born into poverty and cruelty after that we talk.
I don't want to argue what you raised because there is no need for that ,you think it is easy to be a parent okay very well start by adopting the homeless and carrying for the children left to suffer and die when you do believe me when I tell you that abortion will reduce until then na wishful thinking because abortion will still take place and where it is illegal it is back alley abortions which are unsafe.

There is a world of difference between eliminating abortion and legalizing abortion. Legalizing abortion means that idiots treat sex as entertainment and abort a baby every other week.

Nobody ever spoke of eliminating abortion as we all know it maybe needed when the mothers life is at stake. Just like we all naturally abohr wars, but sometimes need to make wars. Every country restricts its president or leaders from carelessly declaring wars

Human Transcendence, means we all want to make the world a bit better than the way we met it. So parenthood is never expected to be easy. In fact at some point your progenitors and mine were naked, living in forests, infested with mosquitoes, with no definite knowledge of medicine, and worshiping and appeasing all kinds of gods in hope of surviving. Yet they gave birth again and again, generations after generations to the point where we are born. Then you stand up and say parenting is hard, you should have a right to kill unborn babies that you might have ordered, just because you are afraid of parenting.

Don't you sound rather stupid and full of ingratitude for those who laid the path to where you are today?

Godszilla:
Pls pls stop this disinformation,this is d problem with social media.
my people every organism has its life cycle.by this persons logic a caterpillar is not a butterfly, neither is nymph a mosquito(insect) so u can kill them as u will. This people com online n start deceiving people. A fetus is jus a stage in human(homo sapein)life-cycle dat we all must pass thru this is undisputed fact beyond science. Anything any1 else is trying to convince u to bliv its a lie from deepest part of hell.
My people get knowledge n get wisdom do not b fool by d wicked in high placed. Peace

Abortion is legalized murder, taking away the life of a new formed human being with a distinct DNA property, same as Nazi justification for racist eugenicist program, the have to dehumanize the foetus/ embryo as intrinsically worthless entity made up Bunches of cells and only having worth based on the choice of it's mother

This fool-in-chief leading the US can easily react to invalidating the abortion law but he left Americans behind in Talibanistan, he is mandating vaccines for his people but making it optional for illegal migrants, he is pushing budget provisions that can plunge the US into hyper inflation, he is sanctioning the sack of people who are not vaccinated without considering the teeming cases of persons with natural immunity, his own military advisors revealed how much of a lying fool he is yet he want to invalid an abortion law that does not nothing but disincentivize the killing of babies yet the law does not entirely prohibit abortion. Basically the abortion law stipulates that: abortion is prohibited in Texas once a fetal heartbeat can be detected, which may be as early as 6 weeks into a woman's pregnancy. Within 6 weeks any lady can decide whether to keep or terminate the foetus but these blood sucking generation of idiots want to be given the chance to keep a pregnancy for more than 6 weeks and then decide for very dumb or sadistic reasons to abort the child. Some of these macabre individuals seek to use the body parts of these aborted babies for very evil purposes and that is why they are pushing really hard for abortion...and Biden has not spent one year in office ohh...

Like i said b4 everything even inanimate element has a cycle - carbon,nitrogen etc. So all living organism has life cycle,dey move from 1 phase to another. We av ours its how its design by God(or dis super-being)
Trying to justify your(our) failings so u feel good won't change it. I av Don it years ago n I still beat myself till date.u av to b human with conscience not some dead wood.wake up dude!awake!!

Evangelynn:
It isn't disinformation, abortion is not murder and a foetus is technically not a human being with any rights whatsoever

Godszilla:
Pls pls stop this disinformation,this is d problem with social media.
my people every organism has its life cycle.by this persons logic a caterpillar is not a butterfly, neither is nymph a mosquito(insect) so u can kill them as u will. This people com online n start deceiving people. A fetus is jus a stage in human(homo sapein)life-cycle dat we all must pass thru this is undisputed fact beyond science. Anything any1 else is trying to convince u to bliv its a lie from deepest part of hell.
My people get knowledge n get wisdom do not b fool by d wicked in high placed. Peace

They argument from:
1) Morality- it's a burden to it's mother and society in general,health care for the mother
2) Legality- it's constitutional
3) Science/ Rationality- based on semantics and technicalities it's not a human life,
4) Liberty- her body, her choice, men have no say on a woman body when it's a man that shares the property of the new formed DNA
5) popularity- it's normal and not new, it has always been happening in alleys whether it's legal or not


All these premises are very faulty, don't have time to give sound arguments to refute their sophistic plausible Rationalizations for justification of the morality and Legality of Abortion

Godszilla:
Pls pls stop this disinformation,this is d problem with social media.
my people every organism has its life cycle.by this persons logic a caterpillar is not a butterfly, neither is nymph a mosquito(insect) so u can kill them as u will. This people com online n start deceiving people. A fetus is jus a stage in human(homo sapein)life-cycle dat we all must pass thru this is undisputed fact beyond science. Anything any1 else is trying to convince u to bliv its a lie from deepest part of hell.
My people get knowledge n get wisdom do not b fool by d wicked in high placed. Peace

Don't mind the idiots. If we can kill a foetus, a stage in the development of a human being, because the foetus is unwanted, why can't we also kill of all disabled persons, all persons with schizophrenia, persons with down syndrome etc since they are also at a stage of human development and an argument can be made that they are unwanted in the society...this is the same thinking of Hitler that led to him killing invalids, disabled people, etc of German origin ohh. Sadistic blood drinking and flesh eating parasites. They will support abortion because the spirit of moloch rules supreme in their hearts and their patron deity, moloch, longs to be worshipped once again.

You are blessed

efficiencie:
This fool-in-chief leading the US can easily react to invalidating the abortion law but he left Americans behind in Talibanistan, he is mandating vaccines for his people but making it optional for illegal migrants, he is pushing budget provisions that can plunge the US into hyper inflation, he is sanctioning the sack of people who are not vaccinated without considering the teeming cases of persons with natural immunity, his own military advisors revealed how much of a lying fool he is yet he want to invalid an abortion law that does not nothing but disincentivize the killing of babies yet the law does not entirely prohibit abortion. Basically the abortion law stipulates that: abortion is prohibited in Texas once a fetal heartbeat can be detected, which may be as early as 6 weeks into a woman's pregnancy. Within 6 weeks any lady can decide whether to keep or terminate the foetus but these blood sucking generation of idiots want to be given the chance to keep a pregnancy for more than 6 weeks and then decide for very dumb or sadistic reasons to abort the child. Some of these macabre individuals seek to use the body parts of these aborted babies for very evil purposes and that is why they are pushing really hard for abortion...and Biden has not spent one year in office ohh...

Starzo:
and do you know that about 49% of adult females in America are against abortion??

broda u lie on ds...
ds issue of abortion is politically motivated

5thcolm:
Kind of, maybe not in a good way.

They can do with us whatever they wish. They know we can do nothing about it. Even when we try to do something about it, they know how to stop us.
Now tell me that is what you call dull

Yes, he is dull.
I will tag him smart if he can take that similar actions he do take against the masses when they are protesting against Boko Haram, ISWAP, Bandits etc., that are terrorising his region, even his state.

What you refer to smartness is not smartness but oppression or wickedness or excessive use or abuse of power, even a big fo*l can do that if given same power.

Evangelynn:
Argue with the scientists a foetus isn't fully human and cannot technically have any rights that is the argument depending on the school of thought you belong to,some also argue if the foetus has same rights as the person carrying it.

Majority of scientists believe life starts at conception though. So the science supports me and rejects you.

Why do you have the unpopular stance that a foetus isn't fully human? What does it take to be fully human?

[url=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm%3Fabstract_id%3D3211703&ved=2ahUKEwik7v_fxqzzAhUNrhQKHT4yAbEQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1TrGttZryCROcFS5Rm2n8o]Source showing majority of scientists, including very pro-choice biologists, believe life starts at conception[/url]

GerogeI:
There is a world of difference between eliminating abortion and legalizing abortion. Legalizing abortion means that idiots treat sex as entertainment and abort a baby every other week.

Nobody ever spoke of eliminating abortion as we all know it maybe needed when the mothers life is at stake. Just like we all naturally abohr was, but sometimes need to make wars. Every country restricts its president or leaders from carelessly declaring wars

Human Transcendence, means we all want to make the world a bit better than the way we met it. So parenthood is never expected to be easy. In fact at some point your progenitors and mine were naked, living in forests, infested with mosquitoes, with no definite knowledge of medicine, and worshiping and appeasing all kinds of gods in hope of surviving. Yet they gave birth again and again, generations after generations to the point where we are born. Then you stand up and say parenting is hard, you should have a right to kill unborn babies that you might have ordered, just because you are afraid of parenting.

Don't you sound rather stupid and full of ingratitude for those who laid the path to where you are today?

You are not in touch with reality if you think women abort pregnancies for fun,have you really sat down to understand why people have abortions or did anybody tell you that they are happy to do it you seem not to know that married couples have abortions too so they are idiots who see sex as entertainment abi?you are not a woman so you don't even know better.

You are not in touch with reality parenting is hard if it isn't we won't be having criminals and all vices that starts from the home,like I said adopt and train kids that are not your own until then you are just blabbing because you are the one sounding stupid and obviously out of touch with humanity. Parenting is hard,the economy is hard and every adult has a choice to decide whether or not they want to have children unless you want to help them train them if you cannot stop blabbing and talking out of point.

Joshthefirst:
Majority of scientists believe life starts at conception though. So the science supports me and rejects you.

Why do you have the unpopular stance that a foetus isn't fully human? What does it take to be fully human?

[url=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm%3Fabstract_id%3D3211703&ved=2ahUKEwik7v_fxqzzAhUNrhQKHT4yAbEQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1TrGttZryCROcFS5Rm2n8o]Source showing majority of scientists, including very pro-choice biologists, believe life starts at conception[/url]

The issue is not the life
The issue is dehumanizing the foetus as intrinsically worthless on it's own based on the morality of it's mother even as a life form

Joshthefirst:
Majority of scientists believe life starts at conception though. So the science supports me and rejects you.

Why do you have the unpopular stance that a foetus isn't fully human? What does it take to be fully human?

[url=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm%3Fabstract_id%3D3211703&ved=2ahUKEwik7v_fxqzzAhUNrhQKHT4yAbEQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1TrGttZryCROcFS5Rm2n8o]Source showing majority of scientists, including very pro-choice biologists, believe life starts at conception[/url]

Some even argue that it starts from the 16th week,my stance isn't unpopular and I used the term 'technically' in that sense

Whether you believe life starts at conception is up to you.It doesn't change what is on ground I don't believe life starts at conception and whatever life that is is subject to the woman carrying the pregnancy to decide.

Evangelynn:
You are not in touch with reality if you think women abort pregnancies for fun,have you really sat down to understand why people have abortions or did anybody tell you that they are happy to do it you seem not to know that married couples have abortions too so they are idiots who see sex as entertainment abi?you are not a woman so you don't even know better.

You are not in touch with reality parenting is hard if it isn't we won't be having criminals and all vices that starts from the home,like I said adopt an train kids that are not your own until then you are just blabbing because you are the one sounding stupid an obviously out of touch with humanity. Parenting is hard,the economy is hard and every adult has a choice to decide whether or not they want to have children unless you want to help them train them if you cannot stop blabbing and talking out of point.

Madame abortion once they started keeping record and single motherhood skyrocketed after it's legalization, these is one of the most fallacious and misleading arguments for abortion

Godszilla:
Like i said b4 everything even inanimate element has a cycle - carbon,nitrogen etc. So all living organism has life cycle,dey move from 1 phase to another. We av ours its how its design by God(or dis super-being)
Trying to justify your(our) failings so u feel good won't change it. I av Don it years ago n I still beat myself till date.u av to b human with conscience not some dead wood.wake up dude!awake!!

Whatever dude,the foetus is technically isn't human and some will argue that it gets to a certain stage before it can be termed as one.

Every human with their school of thought

GerogeI:
There is a world of difference between eliminating abortion and legalizing abortion. Legalizing abortion means that idiots treat sex as entertainment and abort a baby every other week.

Nobody ever spoke of eliminating abortion as we all know it maybe needed when the mothers life is at stake. Just like we all naturally abohr was, but sometimes need to make wars. Every country restricts its president or leaders from carelessly declaring wars

Human Transcendence, means we all want to make the world a bit better than the way we met it. So parenthood is never expected to be easy. In fact at some point your progenitors and mine were naked, living in forests, infested with mosquitoes, with no definite knowledge of medicine, and worshiping and appeasing all kinds of gods in hope of surviving. Yet they gave birth again and again, generations after generations to the point where we are born. Then you stand up and say parenting is hard, you should have a right to kill unborn babies that you might have ordered, just because you are afraid of parenting.

Don't you sound rather stupid and full of ingratitude for those who laid the path to where you are today?

The wickedness they claim toprevent against children is a distractive rouse, since women have been empowered with reproductive rights, single motherhood households has become epidemic raising degenerate children statistically that are problems to society, when fathers ensured their daughters were properly wedded to a responsible man and even force men who impregnate their daughters at gunpoint to marry them, single motherhood was not an epidemic

Godszilla:
Like i said b4 everything even inanimate element has a cycle - carbon,nitrogen etc. So all living organism has life cycle,dey move from 1 phase to another. We av ours its how its design by God(or dis super-being)
Trying to justify your(our) failings so u feel good won't change it. I av Don it years ago n I still beat myself till date.u av to b human with conscience not some dead wood.wake up dude!awake!!

Literally abortion is conditioning women against their maternal instincts to view children as oppressors against their quest for equality with men, they weaponize victimhood of the child and mother as if the reality post Abortion rights single motherhood has become a normalized choice for mordern women, showing women don't even care about the well-being of their children in these era

JESHAL:
The issue is not the life
The issue is dehumanizing the foetus as intrinsically worthless on it's own based on the morality of it's mother even as a life form

that's what I'm asking @Evangelynn
I'm asking her if the foetus is human life and why she doesn't think it's so

Joshthefirst:
that's what I'm asking @Evangelynn
I'm asking her if the foetus is human life and why she doesn't think it's so

She's going to use semantics and technicalities to Rationalize why scientifically the newly formed DNA has no right on it's own from it's mother womb from conception

Evangelynn:
Some even argue that it starts from the 16th week,my stance isn't unpopular and I used the term 'technically' in that sense

Whether you believe life starts at conception is up to you.It doesn't change what is on ground I don't believe life starts at conception and whatever life that is is subject to the woman carrying the pregnancy to decide.

Did you open my link? From that research, your stance is actually incredibly unpopular among scientists, even among very pro-choice biologists.

But I'm only asking why you don't believe it starts at conception to understand your reasoning. Do you think it doesn't start at conception because that would make abortion ending human life and that feels uncomfortable for you?

Evangelynn:
You are not in touch with reality if you think women abort pregnancies for fun,have you really sat down to understand why people have abortions or did anybody tell you that they are happy to do it you seem not to know that married couples have abortions too so they are idiots who see sex as entertainment abi?you are not a woman so you don't even know better.

You are not in touch with reality parenting is hard if it isn't we won't be having criminals and all vices that starts from the home,like I said adopt and train kids that are not your own until then you are just blabbing because you are the one sounding stupid and obviously out of touch with humanity. Parenting is hard,the economy is hard and every adult has a choice to decide whether or not they want to have children unless you want to help them train them if you cannot stop blabbing and talking out of point.

I think you are the person who is not in tune with reality. Nigeria is a third world country where living is difficult, sex is used as trade not even entertainment. This debate is happening in first world countries where teenagers offer bouncers quickies in bathrooms just to gain entrance to clubs where they are not allowed to be. Sex is treated as entertainment in both US and UK. Nothing wrong with this as it's your choice to dabble into ordering a baby, just that if you know you do not want the baby arriving, better use condom, not force everyone to legalise murder in the name of abortions.


As for girls having babies they can not take care off. Please take them to your parents, that is what is provided for in most African cultures, at least in Igbo culture, your father can raise your child as his.

I suppose u will bear d fruit of your own action(school of thought as confirm by u). Remember wen u plant a seed u get a tree full of it it's simple nature 4 u. For every action there is an equal n opposite reaction n there is no void in existence. Watch u ways so u have peace beyond your own understanding.

Evangelynn:
Whatever dude,the foetus is technically isn't human and some will argue that it gets to a certain stage before it can be termed as one.

Every human with their school of thought

GerogeI:
I think you are the person who is not in tune with reality. Nigeria is a third world country where living is difficult, sex is used as trade not even entertainment. This debate is happening in first world countries where teenagers offer bouncers quickies in bathrooms just to gain entrance to clubs where they are not allowed to be. Sex is treated as entertainment in both US and UK. Nothing wrong with this, just that they should use condom, not force everyone to legalise abortions.


As for girls having babies they can not take care off. Please take them to your parents, that is what is provided for in most African cultures, at least in Igbo culture, your father can raise your child as his.

Don't mind her, they don't care about children, ask yourself how can a developed society with easy access to abortion and contraceptive be suffering from single motherhood epidemic

Godszilla:
I suppose u will bear d fruit of your own action(school of thought as confirm by u). Remember wen u plant a seed u get a tree full of it it's simple nature 4 u. For every action there is an equal n opposite reaction n there is no void in existence. Watch u ways so u have peace beyond your own understanding.

They want to mislead you that abortion is child care to prevent them from suffering and it's mother from undue burden but in reality with more reproductive Rights and choice women are having children out of wedlock more than ever by choice, such kids are bleeped up mentally and have very high probability to be degenerates in society