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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by 12large1: 11:14pm On Oct 18, 2021
Neobulletzz:
You say Isak na 5th best striker, Lautaro 4th, then you no wan tell us 3rd, 2nd and 1st you rather say top 3, you Dey fear talk Osimhen na the 1st abi cheesy grin
Go and view the top scorers in seria a this season and last season. Osimehn isn’t too 3. Osimehn can become a great player but he has to earn that title. First of all, he must
1) Top scorer in seria a
2) 20 Seria a goals and 25 to 30 in all competitions
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by elyte89: 11:15pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
A short reminder of the ratings of the leagues both are performing in... grin One is kinder higher don't you think? Lol

Also, One is clearly more well rounded in the role than the other. While one is just a more deadly finisher but doesn't boast the all round attributes of the other. Simple eye test reveals all these not just numbers.
Lol...just imaging d way u and oda pundits here use energy,pics and memes to describe osimhen goals is d way u guys describe haaland own every time he scores..I am sure by now our page would av entered 100k+ grin grin


I doubt if osimhen can break some records already done by haaland b4 he retires grin grin

Well for street,dem sabi who better pass sha cool
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:15pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
It is not us rating Osimhen above Isak. It is analysts out there in Europe. It is the atmosphere and wind of change out there in the European game today. Osimhen will cost far more than Isak in world football today, can you tell me why that is so?


Then @bolded... This is not true. You guys need to grow out of this fallacious thinking.

Simy scored 20 last season. I guess we placed him above Lautaro and Lukaku and in same class with Ronaldo Abi.... Haba... this angle of argument is becoming stale.

Some of you guys use this line everyone to wipe up sentiments against our players and make what we do on this thread look like delusional nonsense. It is cheap abeg. Find a better argument to make than this untrue take.
I didn’t even rate osimhen above isak yet

Na Haaland I Dey talk Baba

If you are being sincere here you are the real definition of sentiment here grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:16pm On Oct 18, 2021
Isak more complete than Osimhen?? Hahahahahaha.... I doubt we speak of the same Isak.

He is more rounded than Haaland but also trumped by Haaland in the finishing aspect but more rounded than Victor? Taaaa! Say something else. You are a La Liga apologist so I understand. wink

andrewbaba44:
Lol you just Dey twist things but no wahala

Even isak is a more complete CF than osimhen and Haaland so leave that narrative grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:17pm On Oct 18, 2021
Neobulletzz:
You say Isak na 5th best striker, Lautaro 4th, then you no wan tell us 3rd, 2nd and 1st you rather say top 3, you Dey fear talk Osimhen na the 1st abi cheesy grin
We Dey disrespect players here wella sha ,imagine if other people disrespect our own like that we no go gree
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:18pm On Oct 18, 2021
andrewbaba44:
I didn’t even rate osimhen above isak yet

Na Haaland I Dey talk Baba

If you are being sincere here you are the real definition of sentiment here grin
Sentiment o kwa ya? Oya answer naa... Who would cost more in today's market if an elite club came for both Isak and Osimhen? Isak is better abi... oya who would command more value? And explain why... oya talk.

Talk oooo... I wanna hear the "non-sentimental" side of things. grin

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:19pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
Isak more complete than Osimhen?? Hahahahahaha.... I doubt we speak of the same Isak.

He is more rounded than Haaland but also trumped by Haaland in the finishing aspect but more rounded than Victor? Taaaa! Say something else. You are a La Liga apologist so I understand. wink
Since you are using the narrative of a more complete striker nah so I Kuku tell you say isak Dey more complete than Haaland and osimhen

You think you are smart by twisting narrative

I Dey tell you the better player you Dey tell me who Dey more complete just because say you wan win arguement

You must always use your indirect ways ,Wetin bring Laliga apologist come here ?



Smh
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by 12large1: 11:20pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
Sentiment o kwa ya? Oya answer naa... Who would cost more in today's market if an elite club came for both Isak and Osimhen? Isak is better abi... oya who would command more value? And explain why... oya talk.

Talk oooo... I wanna hear the "non-sentimental" side of things. grin
He is referring to haaland not isak
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:20pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
Sentiment o kwa ya? Oya answer naa... Who would cost more in today's market if an elite club came for both Isak and Osimhen? Isak is better abi... oya who would command more value? And explain why... oya talk.

Talk oooo... I wanna hear the "non-sentimental" side of things. grin
Osimhen is better than Haaland only in your dictionary grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:21pm On Oct 18, 2021
elyte89:
Lol...just imaging d way u and oda pundits here use energy,pics and memes to describe osimhen goals is d way u guys describe haaland own every time he scores..I am sure by now our page would av entered 100k+ grin grin


I doubt if osimhen can break some records already done by haaland b4 he retires grin grin

Well for street,dem sabi who better pass sha cool
But one of you made it his daily jobless mission to be derailing the thread everytime Haaland scored naa... have you forgotten?? Why haven't the page crashed?? Lol
He then grew tired of it... don't even care to know why.

So abeg, say something else.... Drogba hardly broke any of Thierry Henry's records in the EPL but he left his mark as one of the greatest ever to grace the league and the beautiful game from the African continent.

So you see my good man, the sky is large enough to accommodate both Osimhen and Haaland and much more. grin

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:22pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
Sentiment o kwa ya? Oya answer naa... Who would cost more in today's market if an elite club came for both Isak and Osimhen? Isak is better abi... oya who would command more value? And explain why... oya talk.

Talk oooo... I wanna hear the "non-sentimental" side of things. grin
Did I compare isak and osimhen

The talk Na Haaland and osimhen but as usual you must twist narrative to make a point

Be a man and stop acting like a chameleon

See as person change Haaland name
To isak grin

Instead of you to ask me who will cost more between osimhen and Haaland you are putting Isak into this when you know his market value is not up to osimhen ,if confusion was a person grin

Ogogoro analyst grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:27pm On Oct 18, 2021
andrewbaba44:
Did I compare isak and osimhen

The talk Na Haaland and osimhen but as usual you must twist narrative to make a point

Be a man and stop acting like a chameleon

See as person change Haaland name
To isak grin

Ogogoro analyst grin
Wait. So now... you will bring in Ogogoro because you want to avoid a simple question that will likely expose your fallacy in claiming Isak is better and more complete than Osimhen right??

So you have forgotten what you said that made it about Isak and Osimhen now? grin

Now, tell me what this is below ? grin


andrewbaba44:
Lol you just Dey twist things but no wahala

Even isak is a more complete CF than osimhen and Haaland so leave that narrative grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:28pm On Oct 18, 2021
humility33:
Coaching under 17 is different from coaching men's national team...i think u need to get this Big Bro

Let him get the NPFL club job wit a snap of a finger and then confuse some of us here with his techniques then we'll take his coaching prowess serious

If a player credit a coach for discovery and grooming it is excellent but manu garba did same with some good players too

Let amuneke engage himself and show the nff what he has to offer until then he does not deserve the super eagles job on merit likewise Rohr
Not to sound cocky, but you cannot teach me about the progressive impact youth coaches can make in football.

Jan 04, 2016
Benitez Is Sacked. Zidane To Take Over

https://www.nairaland.com/2842141/benitez-sacked-zidane-take-over

My statement on it

TheGoodJoe:


Contrary to most belief, I see Zidane succeeding. He spent time with the junior team of Madrid mastering his craft. He ran some programs in Germany with Guardiola to sharpen his understanding of possession football.

He gained a lot from coaches refining his game and played a part in the development of young bright talents like Sarabia, Morata, Jese, Carvajal.

I think Zidane is the right coach for the job but I feel Benitez deserved more time.


I was one of those who was screaming sack Rijkaard and give Barcelona to their youth team coach, Guardiola. That youth coach led the greatest team in club football history with respect to performance.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:29pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
Considering injuries and Covid limited Osimhen's impact last season while Haaland was flying in Bundesliga and the UCL, then I can live with "better" for now. All things considered.

But I insist that Osimhen is a more complete CF than Haaland. That one, I will analyse and over analyse to the depths on a good day. So make no one even take me there. Besides now is not even a good time. wink
But I just answered and stated the above or you have forgotten how to read?? Or my English is hard?? grin

Smh... Andy, go get glasses. grin

andrewbaba44:
Osimhen is better than Haaland only in your dictionary grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:31pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
Wait. So now... you will bring in Ogogoro because you want to avoid a simple question that will likely expose your fallacy in claiming Isak is better and more complete than Osimhen right??

So you have forgotten what you said that made it about Isak and Osimhen now? grin

Now, tell me what this is below ? grin
Isak being a more complete CF than osimhen and Haaland means he is better ba grin

How can you even think I said isak is better than both cheesy cheesy

So agenda don finish for market wey you Dey try create the one wey no Dey exist
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:32pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
But I just answered and stated the above or you have forgotten how to read?? Or my English is hard?? grin

Smh... Andy, go get glasses. grin
DHL me glasses Baba grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m):
Now we have our own but people will prefer him coaching the NPFL instead of the Super Eagles.

We need the right coach for the Golden generation of Nigerian football.

I see what I call tactical wastage in our players. The likes of Ebuehi and Aina so under utilised. Iwobi is a pure gift and it will take tactical ingenuity to unlock the magic in him.

We have been too blessed to waste it. Him who much is given, much is expected.

We have a striker whi is setting Italy on fire. Osimhen.

We have another striker blessed with a left foot which can only come from God. Iheanacho's finishing.

We have a midfielder who was described as a Gift from God..Nwakali.

Many more wasting but we want efficient.

I won't talk too much about this.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Arabiandude: 11:36pm On Oct 18, 2021
Personally, haven followed and watch both Osimhen and Haland from their youth days in football, I think I will support supernede narratives. Halaand is a far better finisher than Osimhen, but Osimhen is better than Halaand in their all round plays.
And for those touting Osimhen goals this season, they shouldn't forget that Halaand is the penalty taker for Dortmund but same can't be said of Osimhen. So let's assume that Osimhen has been the one taken Napoli penalties and with the 5 penalties Insigne has played for Napoli this season, Osimhen was the one that played it and presumption he scored 4 of the 5 penalties, doesn't that means he would have been topping Seria A goalscoring chart as at today?

Another perspective here thus far is that Osimhen tend to be like a Messi to Napoli and Halaand a Ronaldo to Dortmund. If Osimhen doesn't score in a Napoli match, his impacts are always felt but can same be said of Halaand?

And this question is for Andrew, the fact that Ronaldo and Messi can both be termed attackers and Ronaldo most times scores better than Messi, does that means Ronaldo is better even though Messi contributes a lot to his team all round plays far more than Ronald contributes to his team?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:37pm On Oct 18, 2021
But that is what I was addressing naa...

That is what prompted my question.

Who would command more fee in today's market? And why?


We already know that Haaland is gonna cost an astronomical amount because he has the goals that everyone bloody needs. Lad is the most clinical finisher in world football today. That I cannot deny but I don't only look at the numbers.... I have eye test to tell me even more and it tells me that Haaland's all-round game is not as fearsome or as mega solid as Osimhen's in the same role.


So back to Isak and Osimhen... who would cost more?

andrewbaba44:
Isak being a more complete CF than osimhen and Haaland means he is better ba grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 11:37pm On Oct 18, 2021
grin

Una no go allow Players blow fess, una go blow their trumpet pass Heaven. Folks ain't gonna learn on this Board.

Osimhen is a fine Player. He's still developing and we should hope he blow past his potentials. Comparing him to Haaland is a big NO, coz the latter is far better than him at the moment.

Haaland of all Strikers? If Haaland is a Nigerian, I am sure he won't be nicknamed Monster Machine but black panther or Nuclear Bomber.

Let's take it easy with our Lads. Iheanacho was once nicknamed hybrid of Messi and CR7, we know what's up today.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:39pm On Oct 18, 2021
Why are some people trying to make it look like all the accolades and hype Osimhen is getting so far this season are coming from this thread alone?
Abi it is thesupernerd and others from this thread that are controlling some of the biggest sports media and pundits who have been singing his praise??

The young man went through a rough phase in the early stages of bjs career....Some people already gave up on him... . It is his time now! Let's enjoy it and support him! Believe it or not, he is one of ours... Halaand whatever can't give us anything beyond what we see him do on TV.....
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:41pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
But that is what I was addressing naa...

That is what prompted my question.

Who would command more fee in today's market? And why?


We already know that Haaland is gonna cost an astronomical amount because he has the goals that everyone bloody needs. Lad is the most clinical finisher in world football today. That I cannot deny but I don't only look at the numbers.... I have eye test to tell me even more and it tells me that Haaland's all-round game is not as fearsome or as mega solid as Osimhen's in the same role.


So back to Isak and Osimhen... who would cost more?
Why are you running from Haaland and osimhen to isak and osimhen ?

Why my broda ,but why grin

So Na isak power you get ??
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:43pm On Oct 18, 2021
Danielnino00:
Why are some people trying to make it look like all the accolades and hype Osimhen is getting so far this season are coming from this thread alone?
Abi it is thesupernerd and others from this thread that are controlling some of the biggest sports media and pundits who have been singing his praise??

The young man went through a rough phase in the early stages of bjs career....Some people already gave up on him... . It is his time now! Let's enjoy it and support him! Believe it or not, he is one of ours... Halaand whatever can't give us anything beyond what we see him do on TV.....
Osimhen deserves every accolades and he is not just Hyped here only

My only argument with the supernerd is that Haaland is the better player , every other thing he is saying about osimhen he is right

The only osimhen argument you will see me in is when it involves Haaland or any other better player

I Dey like talk things as e be ,when they said he is the leading striker in Africa I agreed with everyone because after making my research I didn’t see any striker I could match with him
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:44pm On Oct 18, 2021
andrewbaba44:
DHL me glasses Baba grin
Don't worry, Andy. You na my guy... I am here for you. After your eye surgery, I go gift you beta glasses okay. grin

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:45pm On Oct 18, 2021
andrewbaba44:
Why are you running from Haaland and osimhen to isak and osimhen ?

Why my broda ,but why grin

So Na isak power you get ??
I just addressed the Haaland talk in that same post. Abi you no see that one again? Omo... sure say this eye surgery no go waste?

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:47pm On Oct 18, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
I just addressed the Haaland talk in that same post. Abi you no see that one again? Omo... sure say this eye surgery no go waste?
Osimhen is more expensive than isak and highly rated than him in every transfer measurement .

You have gotten your answers
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m):
Danielnino00:
Why are some people trying to make it look like all the accolades and hype Osimhen is getting so far this season are coming from this thread alone?
Abi it is thesupernerd and others from this thread that are controlling some of the biggest sports media and pundits who have been singing his praise??

The young man went through a rough phase in the early stages of bjs career....Some people already gave up on him... . It is his time now! Let's enjoy it and support him! Believe it or not, he is one of ours... Halaand whatever can't give us anything beyond what we see him do on TV.....
Thank you ooo Dan... well said My good man especially at both bolded.



But ehmmm... **pulls him away from mic and whispers**

Omo, I gat confess, I am actually an important board member of the media outfits of BR football, Goal, Squawka, Opta group, Fbref, Fotmob, Sofascore, Whoscored, Legia Serie A, UEL, UCL, AIC, EPL, La Liga, Serie B and even Liga Smartbank and a couple more that must not be named. And my takes are law... cool

Don't underrate my influence oooo.... I am mega!!! grin

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by 12large1: 11:57pm On Oct 18, 2021
Danielnino00:
Why are some people trying to make it look like all the accolades and hype Osimhen is getting so far this season are coming from this thread alone?
Abi it is thesupernerd and others from this thread that are controlling some of the biggest sports media and pundits who have been singing his praise??

The young man went through a rough phase in the early stages of bjs career....Some people already gave up on him... . It is his time now! Let's enjoy it and support him! Believe it or not, he is one of ours... Halaand whatever can't give us anything beyond what we see him do on TV.....
We’re all supporting and well wishing him. But, don’t make biased as anime statement like osimehn is more complete than haaland. You sound Delusional. He can become as good as haaland in the future, but it has to be earned.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by elyte89: 12:06am On Oct 19, 2021
12large1:
We’re all supporting and well wishing him. But, don’t make biased as anime statement like osimehn is more complete than haaland. You sound Delusional. He can become as good as haaland in the future, but it has to be earned.
When dey hide under he's more complete of a striker Dan haaland is what baffles me most

And d stat says odawise...so I don't get grin

D primary purpose of a striker is to score goals,every oda qualities d striker possess is secondary to me..I can neva agree to dt statement dt osimhen is a more complete striker Dan haaland.. Never

All players can't have d same style of play..if u like run d whole field from morning till night on top d pitch..ur product as a striker (goals) is what matters to me most

I repeat haaland and osimhen are wide apart grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m):
TheGoodJoe:
Now we have our own but people will prefer him coaching the NPFL instead AJMoney f the Super Eagles.

We need the right coach for the Golden generation of Nigerian football.

I see what I call tactical wastage in our players. The likes of Ebuehi and Aina so under utilised. Iwobi is a pure gift and it will take tactical ingenuity to unlock the magic in him.

We have been too blessed to waste it. Him who much is given, much is expected.

We have a striker whi is setting Italy on fire. Osimhen.

We have another striker blessed with a left foot which can only come from God. Iheanacho's finishing.

We have a midfielder who was described as a Gift from God..Nwakali.

Many more wasting but we want efficient.

I won't talk too much about this.
I feel your frustrations My good man coz they exactly reflect mine... Honestly, I wish many more understand like we do both from deeply tactical and highly ambitious aspects. They think we just wake up one morning and call names for positions in the team and on the technical bench.

Years of careful study and unbiased observation informs our takes. It's for the greater good of our team we seek and not even our own bellies.

I fell fully in love with this game at age 7 and by age 10, I had mastered the history of the beautiful game. I read. I actually read Nigerian and World football history and then I watched via clips and shows and cassettes my dad used to have of some of the games back then.

Infact people don't seem to understand how much we looked forward to a time like this in our football in this 21st century where the pieces to forge a Truly formidable Super Eagles SIDE... A new golden generation... Will be present and only waiting for the right tactical mind to put the pieces together and emerge with a beautiful and powerfully enchanting masterpiece.


It is sad that Rohr does what he does with the talents we have.. but 2022 is not far. His time will be over and this team will still be pregnant with years to showcase their true qualities and realise their highest potentials "TOGETHER".

And I hope we allow someone like Emmanuel Amuneke come in and take this team to tactical heights that they haven't reached due to tactical ineptitude, coaching rigidity and partial technical blindness that we have endured under the man called Rohr.

It is well, GoodJoe... it is well. smiley

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m):
elyte89:
When dey hide under he's more complete of a striker Dan haaland is what baffles me most

And d stat says odawise...so I don't get grin

D primary purpose of a striker is to score goals,every oda qualities d striker possess is secondary to me..I can neva agree to dt statement dt osimhen is a more complete striker Dan haaland.. Never

All players can't have d same style of play..if u like run d whole field from morning till night on top d pitch..ur product as a striker (goals) is what matters to me most

I repeat haaland and osimhen are wide apart grin
What stats say otherwise? Just goals stats? Really? Goals numbers only say otherwise? You really don't know that Osimhen shows far more presence in both the defensive and offensive areas of the pitch for his team? You don't know? Does Haaland command such workrate? Does he put his body on the line that often?
How often does he switch play like a playmaker striker? How is his ball carrying from deep oftentimes? How about working the channels constantly?

You just started your post with a fallacious take and ended it with another fallacious take.

They are not wide apart. You speak in dishonest Hyperbolic tones.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by fabyom: 12:22am On Oct 19, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
Now we have our own but people will prefer him coaching the NPFL instead of the Super Eagles.

We need the right coach for the Golden generation of Nigerian football.

I see what I call tactical wastage in our players. The likes of Ebuehi and Aina so under utilised. Iwobi is a pure gift and it will take tactical ingenuity to unlock the magic in him.

We have been too blessed to waste it. Him who much is given, much is expected.

We have a striker whi is setting Italy on fire. Osimhen.

We have another striker blessed with a left foot which can only come from God. Iheanacho's finishing.

We have a midfielder who was described as a Gift from God..Nwakali.

Many more wasting but we want efficient.

I won't talk too much about this.
Do you know that Amuneke is Ejuke's agent? He also fought to be Nacho's agent few years ago. That alone has disqualified him from the SE job. We can't afford another Keshi at this moment in time. The best of them (Oliseh) was a disaster! Abeg, let Rohr rest.
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