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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 9:00am On Oct 20, 2021
charlesemeka85:
u never see anything until they hype nwakali or give you flimsy reasons why onyekuru is flopping in lowly rated Greek league

Wait ,onyekuru Dey flop for Greece again ?

Tell me something I don’t know
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 9:04am On Oct 20, 2021
Arabiandude:

Please enlighten me on who is better between Zidane and Messi using all parameters. Including goals, assist, dribbles, number of trophies won, individual accolades won, etc
I just tire for the guy. Comparing Zidane with a whole Messi... People sha

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 9:05am On Oct 20, 2021
So Haaland is younger than Osimhen which means both will continue to improve Victor has an almost impossible task to surpassed him
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Ppogbae: 9:10am On Oct 20, 2021
Joebie:
Spinning the wheel. Who will Nigeria meet in the next round? grin

Joebie:
I would like us to meet South Africa though. Abi e go be Ghana?

Baba focus on making sure that the Oyinbo zombie wins the final two matches and qualifies this team

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:10am On Oct 20, 2021
FIFApresident1:
2021/2022 Season

Haaland
13 goals in 10 games
9 goals in 6 bundesliga games (league top scorer)

Osimhen
8 goals in 9 games
5 goals in 7 SerieA games (not in top 3 league top scorer)

Career stats below, are these two stats comparable? Talk more of saying the later is better than the former..

Totally off point.

Read this submission and get the point.
https://www.nairaland.com/3018619/super-eagles-thread-dawn-new/11414#106888082

Because of tactical attributes, some coaches will prefer to have Osimhen in their team over Haaland.

The point is too simple. Why Guardiola preferred a small boy from Brazil called Gabriel Jesus over one of the greatest strikers in the history of football, Aguero.


Get the point.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:12am On Oct 20, 2021
FIFApresident1:
2021/2022 Season

Haaland
13 goals in 10 games
9 goals in 6 bundesliga games (league top scorer)

Osimhen
8 goals in 9 games
5 goals in 7 SerieA games (not in top 3 league top scorer)

Career stats below, are these two stats comparable? Talk more of saying the later is better than the former..

TheSuperNerd submitted a full thesis breaking down attributes of Osimhen that can make a coach prefer him over a Goal Machine Haaland.

Yet you are posting goals. That is off the debate.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 9:13am On Oct 20, 2021
Ppogbae:




Baba focus on making sure that the Oyinbo zombie wins the final two matches and qualifies this team
Name calling is uncalled for bro.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:15am On Oct 20, 2021
andrewbaba44:


Leave those people ,I don’t take them serious anymore

Despite our love for our players we should learn to say things as it is ,just because this is an eagles thread doesn’t mean we should not say things as it is

At least osimhen is doing well for him self and highly rated ,but that one no do ,Na to say he is currently better than Haaland with useless narrative as if the people they are telling that are dumb

Simple thing osimhen should continue working hard and he has the potential to be better than Haaland but they said no he is better than Haaland

If a Nigeria player is in the position of Haaland they will tell you he is better than lewandowski

Confused set of people grin

Saying confused people does not give your opinion weight. Debate the points raised. If not, accept it and move on.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheLoneCitizen(m): 9:33am On Oct 20, 2021
TheSuperNerd:

Conclusion: These stats back up my stance. Haaland is an elite center forward with world class finishing ability, good passing and very decent ball control. But Osimhen is also Elite as a decent passer, monster presser, top ball carrying forward, and aerial monster. His finishing is very good but not yet as elite as Haaland's.

All things considered, this little exercise and analytical breakdown buttresses my central point.

Osimhen have got mad attributes that gives him the all round edge over Erling Häland.

Both are monsters. Both are young and still growing.

One is an Elite Goals Machine... One is a Truly well rounded Monster Machine.

Next time, always know there is evidence behind every stance I take from deep analytical standpoints.

Thank you. Class is over.... cool

I commend your hard work, mate, but this is the most inaccurate use of statistics I have seen.

First, Fbref do not carry in-depth stats for league’s outside Europe’s Top 5.

So Haaland’s time at Salzburg and Molde, 4 years, are not accounted for in this your report, only his Dortmund days. Meanwhile the only year not considered for Osimhen is one season at Charleroi.

So you are using 5 seasons worth of statistics for Osimhen against 3 seasons of Haaland.


Secondly, you are using total number rather than per game.

Osimhen has 72 games worth of data on Fbref compared with 49 for Haaland.

Do you expect a player with 49 games to make more passes, presses, shots than that with 72.

Look at the image below: all of Osimhen's career(except Charleroi) vs two and a half seasons of Haaland.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 9:38am On Oct 20, 2021
Since some people are so fixated on the argument that the primary function of a striker is to score goals, can we get an explanation as to why Simy Nwankwo who scored 20 goals in the Serie A last season didn't have clubs falling heads over to sign him? He eventually ended up in the lowest rated club in the same Serie A....

There's a also Onuachu who scored who scored 30 goals in a Belgian league that has been renown in the last decades for producing top talents..

Perhaps,if we can get a valid reason why the aforementioned players aren't highly sought after, we can establish a fact as to why Osimhen with some qualities that distinguish him from Haaland won't be preferred by some managers in today's game...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 9:40am On Oct 20, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Saying confused people does not give your opinion weight. Debate the points raised. If not, accept it and move on.

Some debates are useless and pointless
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 9:53am On Oct 20, 2021
Danielnino00:
Since some people are so fixated on the argument that the primary function of a striker is to score goals, can we get an explanation as to why Simy Nwankwo who scored 20 goals in the Serie A last season didn't have clubs falling heads over to sign him? He eventually ended up in the lowest rated club in the same Serie A....

There's a also Onuachu who scored who scored 30 goals in a Belgian league that has been renown in the last decades for producing top talents..

Perhaps,if we can get a valid reason why the aforementioned players aren't highly sought after, we can establish a fact as to why Osimhen with some qualities that distinguish him from Haaland won't be preferred by some managers in today's game...

Is Haaland simmy nwankwo and onuachu ?

Is Haaland a soon to be 30 year old playing for a relegation threatened bundesliga team ?

Is Haaland not highly rated ?

Is Haaland lacking offers just as simmy nwankwo ?

You should have asked yourself these questions before you choose to switch the arguement

How does all what you said connect to Haaland being better than osimhen or not ?

You forget that Haaland is also tipped with mbappe to succeed Messi and Ronaldo ,you are here giving me examples with simmy and onuachu as if their scenario are the same thing

We are talking about Haaland here who is already regarded as a world class player at his young age ,but no you must shift the goal post with simmy and onuachu ,it’s no more Kane and giroud

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:57am On Oct 20, 2021
TheLoneCitizen:


I commend your hard work, mate, but this is the most inaccurate use of statistics I have seen.

First, Fbref do not carry in-depth stats for league’s outside Europe’s Top 5.

So Haaland’s time at Salzburg and Molde, 4 years, are not accounted for in this your report, only his Dortmund days. Meanwhile the only year not considered for Osimhen is one season at Charleroi.

So you are using 5 seasons worth of statistics for Osimhen against 3 seasons of Haaland.


Secondly, you are using total number rather than per game.

Osimhen has 72 games worth of data on Fbref compared with 49 for Haaland.

Do you expect a player with 49 games to make more passes, presses, shots than that with 72.

Look at the image below: all of Osimhen's career(except Charleroi) vs two and a half seasons of Haaland.

Like how you dropped the fallacy that Ziyech is the best player in Africa and time will prove you right o kwa ya?? grin


Mtchewwwww.... I commend your attempt to discredit and lie against my well researched analytics but you are a well known proponent of the class of people who don't want to hear that Osimhen is more well rounded than Haaland.

The point is simple... Osimhen is far more complete as a striker than Erling Haaland even though the latter is better rated majorly because he is a mega goals machine.

For someone who always gives off the idea that he lives by the objectivity of numbers and stats reports, this is really funny. grin

The graphics below show the playing Time of the same stats compilations I used to draw up my argument to prove my point.

Haaland made 76 starts in this period. Osimhen made 73 starts. Is that a surprise especially seeing Osimhen had an injury ridden season in 20/21?


Look at their MP - Matches played as well.

So please... don't come bother me with your digressive tactics.

If you cannot live with the simple point being made, then so be it.
You have been wrong in every argument made with me from Belgium not being covered by stats site right down to the argument over Chukwueze's possible return date and fitness level. It's almost as if you just love to argue for argument sake so I am not surprised. grin

So please excuse me.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:58am On Oct 20, 2021
andrewbaba44:


Some debates are useless and pointless

...Only when it doesn't favour your narratives. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:00am On Oct 20, 2021
TheSuperNerd:


...Only when it doesn't favour your narratives. grin

What debate between Haaland who is better than osimhen won’t FAVOUR my narrative

If someone is saying Haaland is better than osimhen you don’t even need to go and search sport site like you guys to prove a point

No matter how you twist you cannot deny reality

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Arabiandude: 10:05am On Oct 20, 2021
Acecards:
I just tire for the guy. Comparing Zidane with a whole Messi... People sha
That's why I asked him to open his mouth and tell the whole world that Zidane is better

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:08am On Oct 20, 2021
Arabiandude:

That's why I asked him to open his mouth and tell the whole world that Zidane is better

cheesy cheesy

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:10am On Oct 20, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


TheSuperNerd submitted a full thesis breaking down attributes of Osimhen that can make a coach prefer him over a Goal Machine Haaland.

Yet you are posting goals. That is off the debate.

This is what I still laugh at.

Everyone here know their goals stats. Everyone. Even I have done justice many times on their goals stats.

The point is so simple but it annoys the hell out of them which is why they refuse to understand it. They don't want to entertain for even a second that Osimhen is actually a more complete striker compared to the freakish goalscoring machine that Haaland is.


They just cannot stand it and even now that I have dissected it with deep stats and analytics, they still turn a blind eye and misinterpret a simple point being made.

Beyond the Goals, Osimhen offers much more. That is the simple point.

Is Haaland rated better today? Ofcos yes... but the gap between the two players on the overall is not wide apart as some want us to fallaciously establish.

It is normal pattern on this thread for them to twist our points and change the narrative and keep repeating those twisted narratives as facts until most begin to believe that we actually said A when all we were simply saying was B.

It is well, I expected the twists. That's how they twisted and keep twisting the Iheanacho-Mbappe discussions. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:12am On Oct 20, 2021
andrewbaba44:


Is Haaland simmy nwankwo and onuachu ?

Is Haaland a soon to be 30 year old playing for a relegation threatened bundesliga team ?

Is Haaland not highly rated ?

Is Haaland lacking offers just as simmy nwankwo ?

You should have asked yourself these questions before you choose to switch the arguement

How does all what you said connect to Haaland being better than osimhen or not ?

You forget that Haaland is also tipped with mbappe to succeed Messi and Ronaldo ,you are here giving me examples with simmy and onuachu as if their scenario are the same thing

We are talking about Haaland here who is already regarded as a world class player at his young age ,but no you must shift the goal post with simmy and onuachu ,it’s no more Kane and giroud

Why don't you just answer the question?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:15am On Oct 20, 2021
Danielnino00:


Why don't you just answer the question?


There is nothing there to answer bro

Comparing simmy failing to move to a big club and onuachu to Haaland situation

Is Haaland even lacking offers in anyway ?

You are very funny bro ,Lol

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Arabiandude: 10:16am On Oct 20, 2021
andrewbaba44:


cheesy cheesy
Even statistically and using all parameters, Messi trumps Ronaldinho 90/10. And that one was mentioning Zidane in the same sentence with Messi

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:16am On Oct 20, 2021
andrewbaba44:


What debate between Haaland who is better than osimhen won’t FAVOUR my narrative

If someone is saying Haaland is better than osimhen you don’t even need to go and search sport site like you guys to prove a point

No matter how you twist you cannot deny reality

Ofcos Reality is all around us... why deny it?

In the reality I see... Haaland is the most clinical striker on the planet. Not even Lewy in the bundesliga is as clinical. Lewy misses more big chances compared to Haaland but the media won't mention much of that. I did my own checks and found Haaland is actually crazily more clinical.

Haaland is also the better rated striker in world football today between himself and Osimhen. I already said that several times...

But another reality is that Osimhen is a striker who, not yet as Clinical as Haaland, offers more on the pitch compared to Haaland taking together other modern day and traditional forwards attributes.

Osimhen looks more well rounded but Haaland is surely the better rated. That is the reality and I have shown that already.

It is so simple naa. No be something wey suppose cause headache.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 10:16am On Oct 20, 2021
grin cheesy

Like I said before we all desperately want our players to do well and be hailed as being world class but we should always be realistic about the current standing of our players and avoid unnecessary comparison that could get to their heads.

andrewbaba44:


Leave those people ,I don’t take them serious anymore

Despite our love for our players we should learn to say things as it is ,just because this is an eagles thread doesn’t mean we should not say things as it is

At least osimhen is doing well for him self and highly rated ,but that one no do ,Na to say he is currently better than Haaland with useless narrative as if the people they are telling that are dumb

Simple thing osimhen should continue working hard and he has the potential to be better than Haaland but they said no he is better than Haaland

If a Nigeria player is in the position of Haaland they will tell you he is better than lewandowski

Confused set of people grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:20am On Oct 20, 2021
TheSuperNerd:


Ofcos Reality is all around us... why deny it?

In the reality I see... Haaland is the most clinical striker on the planet. Not even Lewy in the bundesliga is as clinical. Lewy misses more big chances compared to Haaland but the media won't mention much of that. I did my own checks and found Haaland is actually crazily more clinical.

Haaland is also the better rated striker in world football today between himself and Osimhen. I already said that several times...

But another reality is that Osimhen is a striker who, not yet as Clinical as Haaland, offers more on the pitch compared to Haaland taking together other modern day and traditional forwards attributes.

Osimhen looks more well rounded but Haaland is surely the better rated. That is the reality and I have shown that already.

It is so simple naa. No be something wey suppose cause headache.



I won’t say much for now Since many of you won’t want to argue from a natural point of view

But you see osimhen the guy sabi play ball and will go places ,he his already an above average player at his age should tell us a lot ,his transfer fee and market value should tell us alot and he is all highly rated

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:23am On Oct 20, 2021
Arabiandude:

Even statistically and using all parameters, Messi trumps Ronaldinho 90/10. And that one was mentioning Zidane in the same sentence with Messi
What do you expect from cr7 fan boys ?

The goat debate is over and Messi is the goat now so they want to use apari Zidane to start another debate that’s dead before arrival

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:26am On Oct 20, 2021
Good... but Andy. Do you understand everything I just said? You read every word I just said to you right?

So which one be natural point of view again?

Wetin be the wahala again? I really wanna know.

I just called Haaland the most clinical striker on the planet. Or is that also not part of the reality I mentioned?

Saying Osimhen is more well rounded and looks more complete (and backing it up with other stats parameters) does not take away the fact that Haaland remains better rated and that he is possibly the best young striker in world football today. I use possibly because there is Mbappe as well.

Make una dey try understand the balance in one's point. It's not hard.


andrewbaba44:


I won’t say much for now Since many of you won’t want to argue from a natural point of view

But you see osimhen the guy sabi play ball and will go places ,he his already an above average player at his age should tell us a lot ,his transfer fee and market value should tell us alot and he is all highly rated

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TFLASHOGEE(m): 10:26am On Oct 20, 2021
andrewbaba44:


There is nothing there to answer bro

Comparing simmy failing to move to a big club and onuachu to Haaland situation

Is Haaland even lacking offers in anyway ?

You are very funny bro ,

Lol you get time to dey answer that unrelated questions even onuachu change his agent recently when he realized the agent his is problem not moving dey think halaand and onuachu or simmy are in same conversation or class smiley wink wink
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:27am On Oct 20, 2021
TheSuperNerd:
Good... but Andy. Do you understand everything I just said? You read every word I just said to you right?

So which one be natural point of view again?

Wetin be the wahala again? I really wanna know.

I just called Haaland the most clinical striker on the planet. Or is that also not part of the reality I mentioned?

Saying Osimhen is more well rounded and looks more complete does not take away the fact that Haaland remains better rated and that he is possibly the best young striker in world football today. I use possibly because there is Mbappe as well.

Make una dey try understand the balance in one's point. It's not hard.



Lol ,this man too get wahala

Okay I understand grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:27am On Oct 20, 2021
andrewbaba44:


There is nothing there to answer bro

Comparing simmy failing to move to a big club and onuachu to Haaland situation

Is Haaland even lacking offers in anyway ?

You are very funny bro ,Lol


Your problem,you see is that you don't know how to comprehend words. . That's why you are jumping up and down everybody's mention...

Firstly where did I say that Haaland is lacking offers?
Last season when Simy was banging goals in serie A, you were one of his hardcore supporters.. Some people like 12 larger beer even said they preferred him to Osimhen just because he can score..
The season ended, and he couldn't secure a move to a bigger club.. Don't give me that bullsh** about age and playing for a relegated club cus it doesn't hold water...
Simy wasn't targeted by top clubs despite his 20 goals in the serieA for obvious reasons...

Now, it's been alleged that some coaches will prefer Osimhen to Halaand due to some qualities he posses,that make him more of a complete striker...

You are a Guardiola fanboy that's used to seeing your LOML execute games without a striker... he even let go of Iheanacho, a lethal finisher so he could have Gabriel Jesus who has better work rate... he also occasionally dropped Aguero for Jesus..


Seriously, if you can't comprehend any of these argument, there's no point of you engaging in it... cus all you will do is make noise...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 10:28am On Oct 20, 2021
HEgoat wey dey jubilate for winning Latin America Aisha Buhari Cup. If no be frustration, cry cry and so so threat to retire force Conmebol turn copa america to principal cup una for no get mouth.

andrewbaba44:

What do you expect from cr7 fan boys ?

The goat debate is over and Messi is the goat now so they want to use apari Zidane to start another debate that’s dead before arrival
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:29am On Oct 20, 2021
TFLASHOGEE:
Lol you get time to dey answer that unrelated questions even onuachu change his agent recently when he realized the agent his is problem not moving dey think halaand and onuachu or simmy are in same conversation or class smiley wink wink

Even belotti failed move to big club then because of Torino 80 million demand ,he is still at Torino till now but still banging goals and playing for the Italian national team

Onuachu failing to move and simmy got nothing on this arguement
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by WeAREallPERV: 10:30am On Oct 20, 2021
If Osimhen were white!!! cool

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