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Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:35am On Oct 20, 2021
TenQ:

In other words, seeing is believing!

The correct expression in this type of cases is "Proper Proof, Dispells All Reasonable Doubt"

TenQ:

"since no one was present when the universe was created, we cannot know that the universe was made by God".

Their weakness is in the Highlight! It is us who call God!

But we do not know His True Name!

TenQ:

If I keep meat in a freezer at -50 degrees centigrade, will the meat spoil in one year?
Logic says NO!
Your disposition says you can't know until we put the meat in the freezer!
Which position is correct?

You understood me at the beginning but you are grasping now at trying to understand me and jumbling up scenarios which are now off track.

TenQ:

1. The bible says:
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth!

Therefore, the universe has a beginning with its creation by God.

Here, you have made the mistake of Equating the Universe to be ONLY THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

Which would now give you the problem of identifying heaven as different from Earth eg is the clouds heaven or the background where we see the stars at night, heaven?

Surely you would answer reasonable questions until you give up from answering.

TenQ:

2. Scientific extrapolation says, the universe is expanding and has an origin at about 13.8billion years ago.

As I said you have to have taken hold of the whole to know that it is expanding exactly as we see the expansion of a balloon because we have the whole of it.

TenQ:

Therefore, the universe has a beginning a beginning.

Now you are mixing up existence/presence with beginning!

It is like saying that the Atlantic Ocean starts from Eleko Beach, so which one is in Badagry, or Long Island New York since all of them look alike as a beginning?

Why and How is the one in V/I more beginning than the one in Badagry and Long Island?

No one can reasonably answer these little questions.

That is how the universe is to us. We See it but no one can reasonably determine its beginning and it's end.
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 8:16am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


The correct expression in this type of cases is "Proper Proof, Dispells All Reasonable Doubt"



Their weakness is in the Highlight! It is us who call God!

But we do not know His True Name!



You understood me at the beginning but you are grasping now at trying to understand me and jumbling up scenarios which are now off track.



Here, you have made the mistake of Equating the Universe to be ONLY THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

Which would now give you the problem of identifying heaven as different from Earth eg is the clouds heaven or the background where we see the stars at night, heaven?

Surely you would answer reasonable questions until you give up from answering.



As I said you have to have taken hold of the whole to know that it is expanding exactly as we see the expansion of a balloon because we have the whole of it.



Now you are mixing up existence/presence with beginning!

It is like saying that the Atlantic Ocean starts from Eleko Beach, so which one is in Badagry, or Long Island New York since all of them look alike as a beginning?

Why and How is the one in V/I more beginning than the one in Badagry and Long Island?

No one can reasonably answer these little questions.

That is how the universe is to us. We See it but no one can reasonably determine its beginning and it's end.
You seem not to comprehend my point nor even your argument of "Proper Proof, Dispels All Reasonable Doubt"

Can you solve the mathematical equation:
y=123456789.0987654321+987654.0987654321
The obvious answer is YES!
Have you ever solved this problem before?
Most probably not

So how do you know you can solve this problem?
Because logic tells you that if you follow the rules of arithmetic, your answer will be correct.
This is LOGIC at work.

You do not need to have solved the equation y=123456789.0987654321+987654.0987654321 before you can claim with certainty that the problem can be solved by you.

Your proper proof is akin to solving the specific equation for y to be able to conclusively dispel your reasonable doubt: but is a proper proof also LOGIC related?
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 8:24am On Oct 21, 2021
TenQ:

You seem not to comprehend my point nor even your argument of "Proper Proof, Dispels All Reasonable Doubt"

Can you solve the mathematical equation:
y=123456789.0987654321+987654.0987654321
The obvious answer is YES!
Have you ever solved this problem before?
Most probably not

So how do you know you can solve this problem?
Because logic tells you that if you follow the rules of arithmetic, your answer will be correct.
This is LOGIC at work.

You do not need to have solved the equation y=123456789.0987654321+987654.0987654321 before you can claim with certainty that the problem can be solved by you.

Your proper proof is akin to solving the specific equation for y to be able to conclusively dispel your reasonable doubt: but is a proper proof also LOGIC related?
I pity you. If you think you can have a logical discussion With Dtruthspeaker then you better think twice.

His IQ is as low as the power in a dead battery. You should be ready to condone utter flaws and ridiculous line of reasoning. He will wow you, he always sets a new record for dumbness whenever he speaks.

You think I don’t know what i am doing by ignoring him?

You can see how he conceived the expansion of the universe like someone who haven’t seen the walls of a classroom.
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by NaijaSatanlst: 8:27am On Oct 21, 2021
orunto27:
Christian God is not only logical, HE is THE computationally COMPUTERISED GOD. I BELIEVE THAT.

Thank God He is in HeavenSphere. The Atheists, The Witches, Obama Warlocks, This Francis, Saudi Kingdom etc etc are preparing to bring HIM down to Earth.

He is coming back on His Term to build THE NEW JERUSALEMS.

COME SOON LORD JESUS!!!

From Orisa37

He has been coming soon for over 1500 years. Maybe you should change your definition of the word, "soon" grin

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Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:36am On Oct 21, 2021
TenQ:

You seem not to comprehend my point nor even your argument of "Proper Proof, Dispels All Reasonable Doubt"

Can you solve the mathematical equation:
y=123456789.0987654321+987654.0987654321
The obvious answer is YES!
Have you ever solved this problem before?
Most probably not

So how do you know you can solve this problem?
Because logic tells you that if you follow the rules of arithmetic, your answer will be correct.
This is LOGIC at work.

Logic is not Truth. Logic is just mere connections. It does not care for Truth, ONLY ABOUT MAKING CONNECTIONS AS A YOUR EXAMPLES ABOVE HAVE SHOWN.

You obviously have not taken courses in logic otherwise you would have known why your statements are wrong.

For example: Mr. Bassey has been in 5 Accidents this year, therefore, he is a careless driver.

Logic has put the Connections But is the statement True?

There are many reasonable questions to be answered here, therefore it can not be accepted as True and therefore Fails The Law of "Proper Proof, Dispels All Reasonable Doubt"

Try taking courses on Logic or at least attend the classes. It would teach you why Logic Falls.
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:39am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
I pity you. If you think you can have a logical discussion With Dtruthspeaker then you better think twice.

His IQ is as low as the power in a dead battery. You should be ready to condone utter flaws and ridiculous line of reasoning. He will wow you, he always sets a new record for dumbness whenever he speaks.

You think I don’t know what i am doing by ignoring him?

You can see how he conceived the expansion of the universe like someone who haven’t seen the walls of a classroom.

Nini ni- e no get power. grin
People are not As Sstupid as you are. And of course when you no say you go always lose when you challenge me, you no go wan ever challenge me. grin
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 8:49am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Logic is not Truth. Logic is just mere connections. It does not care for Truth, ONLY ABOUT MAKING CONNECTIONS AS A YOUR EXAMPLES ABOVE HAVE SHOWN.

You obviously have not taken courses in logic otherwise you would have known why your statements are wrong.

For example: Mr. Bassey has been in 5 Accidents this year, therefore, he is a careless driver.

Logic has put the Connections But is the statement True?

There are many reasonable questions to be answered here, therefore it can not be accepted as True and therefore Fails The Law of "Proper Proof, Dispels All Reasonable Doubt"

Try taking courses on Logic or at least attend the classes. It would teach you why Logic Falls.
You accuse me of not doing courses on logic yet you present as an example of a faulty logic as case of Bassey!?
Bassey has been in 5 accidents: TRUE
but
Does it make Bassey a careless Driver?

Your statement is NOT logical: If your proposition is WRONG, every CONCLUSION built on it is WRONG!

A good example of Logic was what I presented earlier:

I said:'
Logic says,

Proposition
if Mr A is taller than Mr B
AND
Mr B is taller than Mr C,
Conclusion:
then Mr A must be taller than Mr C!


Can you please show how the logic above fail?
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:56am On Oct 21, 2021
TenQ:

You accuse me of not doing courses on logic yet you present as an example of a faulty logic as case of Bassey!?
Bassey has been in 5 accidents: TRUE
but
Does it make Bassey a careless Driver?

I indeed gave you an example of a Faulty Logic for you said "Because logic tells you that if you follow the rules of arithmetic, your answer will be correct. This is LOGIC at work."

So I showed you logic at work! And you have now indeed Admitted that Logic can be Faulty.

Which is what I was trying to warn you at the beginning.

As I counseled, take out classes in Logic.
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 8:56am On Oct 21, 2021
TenQ:

You accuse me of not doing courses on logic yet you present as an example of a faulty logic as case of Bassey!?
Bassey has been in 5 accidents: TRUE
but
Does it make Bassey a careless Driver?

Your statement is NOT logical: If your proposition is WRONG, every CONCLUSION built on it is WRONG!

A good example of Logic was what I presented earlier:

I said:'
Logic says,

Proposition
if Mr A is taller than Mr B
AND
Mr B is taller than Mr C,
Conclusion:
then Mr A must be taller than Mr C!


Can you please show how the logic above fail?
Lol, you don’t know what you are dealing with.
An abject slowpoke
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 9:00am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


I indeed gave you an example of a Faulty Logic for you said "Because logic tells you that if you follow the rules of arithmetic, your answer will be correct. This is LOGIC at work."

So I showed you logic at work! And you have now indeed Admitted that Logic can be Faulty.

Which is what I was trying to warn you at the beginning.

As I counseled, take out classes in Logic.

The premise of a faulty logic is wrong that is why the Logic is faulty in the first place.

To dispel any logic, it is sufficient to disprove any of the premises: if the premises are sound then the Logic is SOUND!

Now, you error is treating logic as if it is mere speculation: No!
If the premises are correct, the conclusion will be correct!
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:03am On Oct 21, 2021
TenQ:

The premise of a faulty logic is wrong that is why the Logic is faulty in the first place.

As long as there is a Fault, my point has been established!
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 9:06am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Nini ni- e no get power. grin
People are not As Sstupid as you are. And of course when you no say you go always lose when you challenge me, you no go wan ever challenge me. grin
Who wan challenge slowpoke? grin
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:16am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
Who wan challenge slowpoke? grin

Idiot 30 Times Loser no fit ever challenge me again! So Sidon one side!
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 9:23am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Idiot 30 Times Loser no fit ever challenge me again! So Sidon one side!
If i tidy your ignorant head now, you will be begging your imaginary friend to kill me.

You no go stay one place cheesy
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:37am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
If i tidy your ignorant head now, you will be begging your imaginary friend to kill me.

You no go stay one place cheesy

If you no say you get Head, I CHALLENGE YOU, I GO DROP N50,000, JUST COME AS YOU BE! I NO WANT YOUR MONEY BUT I GO FLOG YOU JUST
7 STROKES, IF YOU LOSE.

MEET ME FOR NATIONAL STADIUM FOR SURULERE.

NA THE PEOPLE WEY DEY THE STADIUM GO JUDGE THE MATTER.

ON SUNDAY 12:00OOM. SHARP!

IF YOU GET MIND! You are lucky mortal combat is unlawful i would have staked your miserable life, swine!

COME WITH CAMERA OH, COS SURELY I WILL BRING MY VIDEO CREW!

DO YOU AGREE TO THIS CHALLENGE OR YOU RUN?


If you no get transport, come I go pay your uber fee when you arrive Come, son of a Fool!
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 9:58am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


If you no say you get Head, I CHALLENGE YOU, I GO DROP N50,000, JUST COME AS YOU BE! I NO WANT YOUR MONEY BUT I GO FLOG YOU JUST
7 STROKES, IF YOU LOSE.

MEET ME FOR NATIONAL STADIUM FOR SURULERE.

NA THE PEOPLE WEY DEY THE STADIUM GO JUDGE THE MATTER.

ON SUNDAY 12:00OOM. SHARP!

IF YOU GET MIND! You are lucky mortal combat is unlawful i would have staked your miserable life, swine!

COME WITH CAMERA OH, COS SURELY I WILL BRING MY VIDEO CREW!

DO YOU AGREE TO THIS CHALLENGE OR YOU RUN?


If you no get transport, come I go pay your uber fee when you arrive Come, son of a Fool!


Why? You want to beat me because there’s no evidence for your god?

Christian Taliban grin

Why should I fight you for that reason? grin
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:20am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
Why? You want to beat me because there’s no evidence for your god?

Christian Taliban grin

Why should I fight you for that reason? grin

OH! YOU NO WAN CHOP MY N50,000 THOU?

have you not being insulting me saying that you will tidy my ignorant head now, such that i will be begging my imaginary friend to kill you?

Now I have submitted myself to you and given you an opportunity to come and legitimately tidy me and still take my N50k,YOU ARE FLEEING!

Guy, just flee on and Stay in your lawful place.

You have no rights to insult me when I did not insult you.
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 10:27am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


OH! YOU NO WAN CHOP MY N50,000 THOU?

have you not being insulting me saying that you will tidy my ignorant head now, such that i will be begging my imaginary friend to kill you?

Now I have submitted myself to you and given you an opportunity to come and legitimately tidy me and still take my N50k,YOU ARE FLEEING!

Guy, just flee on and Stay in your lawful place.

You have no rights to insult me when I did not insult you.





Shut up, Taliban.

Is that why you want to fight for your spineless god?
You are mad if you think 50k is enough to fight for.
Did I ask to fight you when you asked your god to kill me?
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:32am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
Shut up, Taliban.

Is that why you want to fight for your spineless god?
You are mad if you think 50k is enough to fight for.

Okay, I would add the my Jeep, which I will bring to the N50,00k. Would you still take up the challenge?
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 10:33am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Okay, I would add the my Jeep, which I will bring to the N50,00k. Would you still take up the challenge?
I have accepted, Surulere stadium by 12pm, Sunday.

How can I contact you?
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 10:34am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


As long as there is a Fault, my point has been established!

What of if the premise wat true?

Now, back to the beginning: can you falsify any of the premises below and thus its conclusion?

The simple verifiable premises
1. The Universe and ALL Physical things have an origin (approximately 13.8 billion years ago)- by definition the universe consists of all physical material that exist consisting of our earth, moon, galaxy and universe
2. There exist the "Law of cause and effect": Without a cause there cannot be an effect AND an effect is what initiates a cause
3. An Infinite regress of Cause and Effect is impossible
Conclusion:
Since things exist and obey the law of Cause and Effect, there must therefore exist an "Uncaused First-Cause" of everything (aka God).
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 10:39am On Oct 21, 2021
TenQ:

What of if the premise wat true?

Now, back to the beginning: can you falsify any of the premises below and thus its conclusion?

The simple verifiable premises
1. The Universe and ALL Physical things have an origin (approximately 13.8 billion years ago)- by definition the universe consists of all physical material that exist consisting of our earth, moon, galaxy and universe
2. There exist the "Law of cause and effect": Without a cause there cannot be an effect AND an effect is what initiates a cause
3. An Infinite regress of Cause and Effect is impossible
Conclusion:
Since things exist and obey the law of Cause and Effect, there must therefore exist an "Uncaused First-Cause" of everything (aka God).
The uncaused cause has to be the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 10:43am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
The uncaused cause has to be the Flying Spaghetti Monster
At least, the Uncaused-First Cause Exists!
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 10:44am On Oct 21, 2021
TenQ:

What of if the premise wat true?

Now, back to the beginning: can you falsify any of the premises below and thus its conclusion?

The simple verifiable premises
1. The Universe and ALL Physical things have an origin (approximately 13.8 billion years ago)- by definition the universe consists of all physical material that exist consisting of our earth, moon, galaxy and universe
2. There exist the "Law of cause and effect": Without a cause there cannot be an effect AND an effect is what initiates a cause
3. An Infinite regress of Cause and Effect is impossible
Conclusion:
Since things exist and obey the law of Cause and Effect, there must therefore exist an "Uncaused First-Cause" of everything (aka God).
The law of conservation of energy and matter trash this.

Energy and matter can never be created nor destroyed, they can only be converted to other forms.

According to E=mc^2, energy is directly proportional to mass. It means that whenever you see mass, you see energy and vice versa.

Since universe is made of 100% matter (mass) and energy and they cannot be created nor destroyed, it means that the universe cannot be created nor destroyed.

Conclusion: The universe has always existed, no creator.

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Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 10:44am On Oct 21, 2021
TenQ:

At least, the Uncaused-First Cause Exists!
i was joking, it doesn’t
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:51am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
I have accepted, Surulere stadium by 12pm, Sunday.

How can I contact you?

Just go straight to the Ojeez bar outside when you see me you would surely know! 12:00pm does not mean 12: 30pm
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 10:53am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Just go straight to the Ojeez bar outside when you see me you would surely know! 12:00pm does not mean 12: 30pm


Ok
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 10:54am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Just go straight to the Ojeez bar outside when you see me you would surely know! 12:00pm does not mean 12: 30pm


You want to beat me abi, we shall see grin
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:59am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
You want to beat me abi, we shall see grin

Eh, you don dey plan d Igbo boys wey go beat me and rob me, Abi?
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 11:03am On Oct 21, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


Eh, you don dey plan d Igbo boys wey go beat me and rob me, Abi?
let's just keep the date.
We can continue our argument now until Sunday
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 11:15am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
Aside from the many holes in the Bible; a very ridiculous book that reasonable people should equate to Spider-Man comic, the idea that nothing created god is ridiculous.

Going by that logic, if everything has to be created then god must also be created by something and if nothing created god, it’s more logical to worship nothing. Nothing is actually the true creator since he created god.

God is eternal, meaning that He exist and has always existed without a beginning. He is unlike any other thing or being, His existence is infinite and unbounded by time. Your statement while true for anything with a beginning clearly does not apply to God whose existence has no starting point.
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by hupernikao: 11:18am On Oct 21, 2021
Workch:
You see that you don't tolerate those that don't share your opinion?
You believe your God is superior and that's how religious extremism and terrorism starts. I can't allow you place your God over other peoples gods

You need to respect my opinion that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is equally valid as your God.

Tolerate?
Hope you are in front of a mirror to see the reflection of your words staring at you?

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