dorox:


God is eternal, meaning that He exist and has always existed without a beginning. He is unlike any other thing or being, His existence is infinite and unbounded by time. Your statement while true for anything with a beginning clearly does not apply to God whose existence has no starting point.

The universe is also eternal. It has always existed, nothing created it.

We know this because energy cannot be created nor destroyed

Workch:
The universe is also eternal. It has always existed, nothing created it.

We know this because energy cannot be created nor destroyed

Please tell me how you know that the universe is eternal, that it had no beginning.

dorox:


Please tell me how you know that the universe is eternal, that it had no beginning.

Because matter cannot be created nor destroyed

Tell me how you know God is eternal

Workch:
i was joking, it doesn’t

So, it is posible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect?

TenQ:

So, it is posible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect?

It's possible scientifically to have a universe that is eternal

Workch:
The law of conservation of energy and matter trash this.

Energy and matter can never be created nor destroyed, they can only be converted to other forms.

According to E=mc^2, energy is directly proportional to mass. It means that whenever you see mass, you see energy and vice versa.

Since universe is made of 100% matter (mass) and energy and they cannot be created nor destroyed, it means that the universe cannot be created nor destroyed.

Conclusion: The universe has always existed, no creator.

What if the Primary Source: The uncaused-First-Cause (God) is the Source of all Energy in the Universe?

At least science say the universe is 13.8 billion years old

TenQ:

What if the Primary Source: The uncaused-First-Cause (God) is the Source of all Energy in the Universe?

At least science say the universe is 13.8 billion years old

The universe is not 13.8billion years old, the expansion from a singularity until now is 13.8billion years old.

TenQ:

What if the Primary Source: The uncaused-First-Cause (God) is the Source of all Energy in the Universe?

At least science say the universe is 13.8 billion years old

Law of physics seem to suggest that the universe wasn't created

Workch:
Because matter cannot be created nor destroyed

Tell me how you know God is eternal

But matter had its beginning some moments after the birth of the universe or the big bang according the standard model of cosmology.

The natural order of things is to remain in the simplest state unless acted upon by something external. Absolute nothing is the simplest state, it requires no laws and no finely tuned parameters to exist and to remain stable. So, if there ever was absolutely nothing, there would still be nothing, and nothing could ever exist, because there would be nothing to cause it. Unless of course, there is a first cause, which by definition will be an eternal and intelligent entity i call God.

dorox:


But matter had its beginning some moments after the birth of the universe or the big bang according the standard model of cosmology.

The natural order of things is to remain in the simplest state unless acted upon by something external. Absolute nothing is the simplest state, it requires no laws and no finely tuned parameters to exist and to remain stable. So, if there ever was absolutely nothing, there would still be nothing, and nothing could ever exist, because there would be nothing to cause it. Unless of course, there is a first cause, which by definition will be an eternal and intelligent entity i call God.

Nope sir, there's no birth of the universe and matter has always remain constant ever since.

What we know is that the universe started expanding 13.8billion years ago from the already existing matter. Seems you are getting the big bang wrongly

Workch:
Law of physics seem to suggest that the universe wasn't created

Science never spoke of creation.
Science says :Space, Time and Matter existed simultaneously! How?

The Physical Universe according to science started about 13.8 billion years ago.

So, it is possible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect?

Workch:
The universe is not 13.8billion years old, the expansion from a singularity until now is 13.8billion years old.

Is the universe singularity?

Workch:
It's possible scientifically to have a universe that is eternal

The question I asked was:
It is possible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect?

TenQ:

Science never spoke of creation.
Science says :Space, Time and Matter existed simultaneously! How?

The Physical Universe according to science started about 13.8 billion years ago.

So, it is possible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect?

Law of conservation of matter seems to suggest that matter cannot be created

TenQ:

Is the universe singularity?

nope, it was a singularity before big bang

A point of infinite gravity and density

TenQ:

The question I asked was:
It is possible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect?

That law is not a scientific law. It's a philosophical contraption and it's possible that the universe doesn't have a cause in science.

Workch:
Law of conservation of matter seems to suggest that matter cannot be created

The conservation of Energy and Matter suggests that BOTH Energy and Matter are exactly the same thing and it doesn't Exclude the "the Uncaused-First-Cause" as the primary ENERGY!

I asked two questions:
1. Science says :Space, Time and Matter existed simultaneously! How?
2. Is it possible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect?

Workch:
That law is not a scientific law. It's a philosophical contraption and it's possible that the universe doesn't have a cause in science.

You are beating about the truth which is glaring for you to see:
Please Account for the Entropy of the Universe, is it increasing or decreasing?

TenQ:

You are beating about the truth which is glaring for you to see:
Please Account for the Entropy of the Universe, is it increasing or decreasing?

how does entropy validate a God?

TenQ:

The conservation of Energy and Matter suggests that BOTH Energy and Matter are exactly the same thing and it doesn't Exclude the "the Uncaused-First-Cause" as the primary ENERGY!

I asked two questions:
1. Science says :Space, Time and Matter existed simultaneously! How?
2. Is it possible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect?

uncaused-First-Cause is not science. It's theological philosophy

In what science textbook have you seen law of uncaused cause?

Workch:
nope, it was a singularity before big bang

A point of infinite gravity and density

Easy to describe in theory: infinite gravity and density!
Since you used the word density,
1. Do you know if it can be scientifically shown that gravity and destiny can exist without mass (if you like, condensed energy)?

2. Before the big bang, was the entropy of the gravitational singleton increasing or decreasing?

Workch:
Nope sir, there's no birth of the universe and matter has always remain constant ever since.

What we know is that the universe started expanding 13.8billion years ago from the already existing matter. Seems you are getting the big bang wrongly

You are just playing with words here. Many physicist commonly use the phrase birth of the universe, or beginning of the universe in the context in which i used it.
Here is an excerpt from phys.org

How was our Universe created? How did it come to be the seemingly infinite place we know of today? And what will become of it, ages from now? These are the questions that have been puzzling philosophers and scholars since the beginning the time, and led to some pretty wild and interesting theories. Today, the consensus among scientists, astronomers and cosmologists is that the Universe as we know it was created in a massive explosion that not only created the majority of matter, but the physical laws that govern our ever-expanding cosmos.


This is known as The Big Bang Theory. For almost a century, the term has been bandied about by scholars and non-scholars alike. This should come as no surprise, seeing as how it is the most accepted theory of our origins. But what exactly does it mean? How was our Universe conceived in a massive explosion, what proof is there of this, and what does the theory say about the long-term projections for our Universe?

The basics of the theory are fairly simple. In short, the Big Bang hypothesis states that all of the current and past matter in the Universe came into existence at the same time, roughly 13.8 billion years ago. At this time, all matter was compacted into a very small ball with infinite density and intense heat called a Singularity. Suddenly, the Singularity began expanding, and the universe as we know it began.

As to my other question; why is there something rather than nothing?

dorox:


You are just playing with words here. Many physicist commonly use the phrase birth of the universe, or beginning of the universe in the context in which i used it.
Here is an excerpt from phys.org


As to my other question; why is there something rather than nothing?

Many physics in 19 century maybe and not now.

Big bang is the origin of space and time as we know today. We don't know how the singularity before the universe got there yet.

The universe is eternal according to law of physics

TenQ:

Easy to describe in theory: infinite gravity and density!
Since you used the word density,
1. Do you know if it can be scientifically shown that gravity and destiny can exist without mass (if you like, condensed energy)?

2. Before the big bang, was the entropy of the gravitational singleton increasing or decreasing?

OK show me how gravity can exist without mass?
Educate me.

We don't know anything that happens before big bang.

I'm so interested in how gravity can without mass.

Workch:
OK show me how gravity can exist without mass?
Educate me.

We don't know anything that happens before big bang.

I don't know how gravity can exit without mass: because every known example show that it is condensed energy/masss that produce gravitational fields. That was why I asked you if you know.

I also asked you:
Before the big bang, was the entropy of the gravitational singleton increasing or decreasing?

NaijaSatanlst:


He has been coming soon for over 1500 years. Maybe you should change your definition of the word, "soon"

SOON IS TIME BEFORE ETERNITY.

TenQ:

I don't know how gravity can exit without mass: because every known example show that it is condensed energy/masss that produce gravitational fields. That was why I asked you if you know.

I also asked you:
Before the big bang, was the entropy of the gravitational singleton increasing or decreasing?

OK, no gravity cannot exist without mass, it's an indication that the singularity before the big bang with infinite gravity was very massive and dense.

That's why we say the universe is eternal

Workch:
OK, no gravity cannot exist without mass, it's an indication that the singularity before the big bang with infinite gravity was very massive and dense.

That's why we say the universe is eternal

THUNDER STRIKES THROUGH ALL MUMU THEORIES.

orisa37:



THUNDER STRIKES THROUGH ALL MUMU THEORIES.

Your mobile phone and internet work because of those mumu theories

Workch:
uncaused-First-Cause is not science. It's theological philosophy

In what science textbook have you seen law of uncaused cause?

See, the uncaused first cause is simply the Law of Conservation of Energy!
It just simply mean that EVERYTHING has an Eternal SOURCE!

Even then the Gravitational Singleton didn't just appear by itself EXCEPT you are willing to concede that the gravitational Singleton is the Uncaused First Cause!

THE RESURRECTION IS. AN ALL TIME GRAVITATION.

Workch:
Many physics in 19 century maybe and not now.

Big bang is the origin of space and time as we know today. We don't know how the singularity before the universe got there yet.

The universe is eternal according to law of physics

The universe has a finite past and Wikipedia agrees with me as you can see from the quote below

Detailed measurements of the expansion rate of the universe place the Big Bang singularity at around 13.8 billion years ago, which is thus considered the age of the universe.[6]

The general scientific consensus is that any conjecture as to what might have been before the singularity, or how it came to be will never be based on science.