elated177:

Again, go and do your own research.

elated177:
This thread was going somewhere and raising many salient questions until maxindhouse almost spoilt it.

Maxindhouse, must you narrow down every Scriptural issue to your group?

hupernikao:


I will reach you by tomorrow.

achorladey:
He has to narrow it down to that because he has been taught by his religious leaders that they are the only true channel Jehovah is using to dispense accurate Bible knowledge.

It is the easiest way for him to get out of the discussion when locked in.

The Op said God's name was removed from the Bible and chief among those that did the removal is christendom yet the same christendom had the AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION which the organization WTBTS he belongs said is one of the outstanding bible for making sure that the name Jehovah appeared over 6000 times.

The Op should tell us who is really removing what from the Bible.

Emusan:


Just like calling someone "Our friend" and another comment on the same thread the person suddenly became "MAD person"

You'll then be wondered, why speaking from both side of the mouth?

1. The same Christendom are the one who formulated the Latin name Jehovah

2. The same Christendom are the one who still realized Yahweh is more accurate than Jehovah

Even when WTBTS knows this, to revert back to YAHWEH is impossible because they already named themselves Jehovah witness

3. The same Christendom and Trinitarian are the one who first used the name Jehovah/Yahweh

4. The same Christendom are the one who sponsored most of the research that leads to the discovery of all known ancient manuscripts today.

5. The same Christendom are in charge of all known and discovered ancient manuscripts today.

6. The same Christendom still allows free access to all these ancient information by individuals or group of people.

If this people actually want to hide something how easy it would've been for them.

That's why you see them coming with different lies just to keep deceiving themselves.

The OP out of ignorance or deceitful heart said somewhere that "YAHWEH is the Hebrew transliteration while Jehovah is English translation"

I can't just imagine the extent they can go to lie for their god

achorladey:


The thread the Op create just get as e be.

That the fourth president of the organization they belong said Jehovah unquestionably arranged the removal and omission of his name in the new testament and that Jesus and his disciples never for once use the name throughout

achorladey:


[/b] and the Op come out and say the name was removed. I just dey laugh.
Removed by who? Dem no fit answer

Achorladey laugh at yourself, you bigot.
Emusan your comrade, made that same claim
Emusan:
"Everyone knows including your demonic organization that the divine name was replaced with Elohim and Adonai"
Direct your question to Emusan,your comrade in FALSEHOOD

achorladey:


. Do people really need the name to develop relationships with God, dem no fit answer.

This ones can call people apostates up and down. Dem never know the real apostate. Dem still they learn. After all they have been warned that when they see real apostates, they will not know.

Emusan:


Just like calling someone "Our friend" and another comment on the same thread the person suddenly became "MAD person"

You'll then be wondered, why speaking from both side of the mouth?

1. The same Christendom are the one who formulated the Latin name Jehovah

2. The same Christendom are the one who still realized Yahweh is more accurate than Jehovah

Even when WTBTS knows this, to revert back to YAHWEH is impossible because they already named themselves Jehovah witness

3. The same Christendom and Trinitarian are the one who first used the name Jehovah/Yahweh

4. The same Christendom are the one who sponsored most of the research that leads to the discovery of all known ancient manuscripts today.

5. The same Christendom are in charge of all known and discovered ancient manuscripts today.

6. The same Christendom still allows free access to all these ancient information by individuals or group of people.

If this people actually want to hide something how easy it would've been for them.

That's why you see them coming with different lies just to keep deceiving themselves.

In the screenshot, is that Catholic Cardinal Arinze telling the laity to use God's name in the leturgy ?
He banned the use of Yahweh in Church!
Where is the encouragement of Christendom to use God's name when he is telling them to stop using the divine name in the Church?
How times in your Church do you hear "Praise Yahweh" or "Praise JEHOVAH" spoken from the pulpit?
Who are those against the use of God's name in Church?
The leaders of Christendom & their Laity,
3 doghead slaves
You are DECEIVING yourself.

Emusan:


The OP out of ignorance or deceitful heart said somewhere that "YAHWEH is the Hebrew transliteration while Jehovah is English translation"

achorladey:


He has to narrow it down to that because he has been taught by his religious leaders that they are the only true channel Jehovah is using to dispense accurate Bible knowledge.

It is the easiest way for him to get out of the discussion when locked in.

The Op said God's name was removed from the Bible and chief among those that did the removal is christendom yet the same christendom had the AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION which the organization WTBTS he belongs said is one of the outstanding bible for making sure that the name Jehovah appeared over 6000 times.

The Op should tell us who is really removing what from the Bible.

achorladey:


After all Jesus didn't go about with the label JEHOVAH when preaching and teaching people. The words he used is Father paapaa.

Hundredfold4lif:

YAHWEH is the true real name of Elohim(God) hence YAHWEH-ELOHIM -(LORD God).
Jehovah is a misconstrued term used by a Catholic priest.

Hundredfold4lif:

All reliable original languages of scripture read YAHWEH in all honest translations.

Hundredfold4lif:

Even the New King James Version doesn't have any Jehovah nomenclature by the least.
No Jewish scholar or Biblist ever uses Jehovah because by linguistics and all, YAHWEH is and will remain God's revealed name from Genesis!

Hundredfold4lif:

Unfortunately, many who fight over Jehovah don't even have personal encounters with Jesus (real name: Yeshua!)
Our today's Joshua is same with Jehovah rather than the true names of Yeshua and YAHWEH!

achorladey:


Conclusively, the central part of Jesus assignment on Earth is to make this God's name known.(Read John 7:26).
Is God's name as important to you as it is to Jesus?.........Haddeylium

Emphasis on the central part of Jesus assignment on Earth is to make this God's name known..... and this same Jesus did not for once call God by that name in his preaching and teaching activities tells you the basis of the point fell flat with no solid support or evidence.

achorladey:


Reality says Jesus wanting others to know God is not by carrying the names as badge, placards or labels attached to things or talisman


Having a close relationship with God involve getting to know him by name..... Haddeylium


Having a close relationship with the father that gave birth to you right here on earth does not require you to know him by name call him by name and put his name as labels, badge or placards he bears rather you will readily call him DADDY, BABA MI e.t.c [/i]and the bond you have with him grows based on all his activities, care, guidance e.t.c.

achorladey:


[i]It is not the name the father who gave birth to you bears that made you draw close to him, reality tells me that you and many have strong bond with their father who gave birth to them long before they know him by his personal names.

achorladey:

This too applies to your father in heaven. The reason Jesus, Paul and others used "ABBA FATHER" to endear themselves with our father in heaven.

achorladey:

The Israelites knew that name and see them written seven thousand times for numerous decades and centuries they walk with the God who bear the name yet they hardly develop any relationship that was really lasting in any time period during those decades and centuries. The time of the judges and Kings will tell the full story about that.

In the final analysis that God rejected that nation despite they knowing that name. Oga Haddey e bo le nbe

elated177:



Again, go and do your own research.

Janosky:

Mark 12:29 & John 17:6 , Jesus Christ proven you're LYING.

Kai !!!!!
Is your surname DADDY, BABA MI?
We need to see your WASC/School Certificate to check something.



Remove your Father's name in all your public records & documentation,& give the proof here.
Then,we are rest assured your claim would count.
Wayo man you be jejely!

Achorladey is desperate to change John 5:43, did Jesus bear his Father's name?
This man you well?

With solid evidences on this thread,What is the difference between you, Achorladey and the Israelites ?
Will someone who have a close relationship with his own Father make this your claim:
"it is not the name the father who gave birth to you bears that made you draw close to him", , that his Father's name doesn't matter?

Janosky:

Achorladey argument is built on quicksand.
Apart from American Standard Version (ASV) & NWT,how many Bible versions has Achorladey read God's name over 6000 times?
If you get liver, name at least 7.

The Screenshot speaks volumes.
The leaders of Christendom and their Laity collectively reject the use of God's name in Church services.
Sink that truth into your brain.

MightySparrow:

Thanks bro. These self acclaimed teachers that assume that besides them, no one knows anything about God! In response to my post on this thread, MaxInDHouse was saying that everyone that know God called on God by His name Jehovah. That is a lie. Before Egyptian civilization was Aramaian. The earliest universal language was Aramaic.the question is which language (s) were spoken by Adam, Enoch, Noah? Definitely not Hebrew. The name jehovah first in the time of Moses. Abraham himself, was a Syrian, an Arab. From there, a group of people known as Hebrew came out. The Res of Abraha's descendants from other two wives are still Arabs till today! The name jehovah is in what language? Hebrew, I think, because Abraham himself should have heard of it somehow.


Anyways, JWs wants to harass you into believing their doctrines.
When Paul got to Greece, he saw an altar built to an unknown God. He claimed that that unknown God is who he came to present to them.

No one, nation, people that didn't no God before Christian faith. According to


19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Romans 1: 19 -24

If Paul was right, in every place people knew about God and hence, called Him names in their languages
Olorun, Ubangiji, Chineke, Theos etc
In every place except the Greek place mentioned above, there are none or few where altars are raise for the Almighty God. People call on Him the way they understood.

The main idea behind this teaching is to deny the Godhood ( Godhead) of Jesus. And that is a lie.

Janosky:

John 5:43 & John 17:6,26,is "Father" the name of his God?
Wayo man you are!

Janosky:

Na the 4th President write John 17:6,26 & Mark 12:29 wey dey your Bible?
Proof Jesus used God's name: John 17:6,26 and Mark 12:29 dey your Bible?
If you get liver, come here and lie you did not see the screenshot of Israeli/Hebrew scholar's discovery of Jehovah's name in 1,000 Bible manuscripts you have been mocking in your previous posts.
You are free to carry the 4th President's comment in early 20th century on your head like Gala.
1,000 Bible manuscripts discoveries of God's name is more important & relevant.
The man would welcome & commend this discoveries if he were alive today.
Achorladey Read the screenshot again.
Wayo man you are!

Achorladey laugh at yourself, you bigot.
Emusan your comrade, made that same claim
Emusan:
"Everyone knows including your demonic organization that the divine name was replaced with Elohim and Adonai"
Direct your question to Emusan,your comrade in FALSEHOOD [/b].

At the bolded, Achorladey so you can stoop so low to type that GIBBERISH.

Do I need to know your name to develop close friendship with you?

You have made a mockery of yourself.
In screenshots,How many times on this public forum, was Achorladey's deception exposed ?

MightySparrow:

The earliest universal language was Aramaic.the question is which language (s) were spoken by Adam, Enoch, Noah? Definitely not Hebrew. The name jehovah first in the time of Moses. Abraham himself, was a Syrian, an Arab.

MaxInDHouse:

I told you that you're free to ask me questions about whatever i say but since you choose to talk about me with others instead of chatting with me my own concern is the highlighted!

Remember that everyone on this planet speaks the same language before God confused their language {Genesis 11:1-9} so what makes you think that same God doesn't know the original language out of all others?
Well in my own opinion the Hebrew language must be the original language everyone speaks before the confusion otherwise it will make no sense if God choose a nation speaking one out of the (CONFUSED) languages then promised that all the peoples will still come back to speak one language {Zephaniah 3:9} when the nation through which it will be made possible aren't even speaking the original language! Zechariah 8:23
I'm not contesting what you said but i believe in the language God Himself speaks first after the confusion at Babel {Genesis 12:1-3} which is Hebrew God spoke with Abraham and as for the language of Abraham well he was known by his contemporaries as (the Hebrew) Genesis 14:13

May you have PEACE!

MightySparrow:

So, God's language is Hebrew? If He created everyone, confused their language He understands and relates with people by His own standard (election). Well, Hebrew may have been the original language.
My take, God revealed Himself to Moses, he said, I am
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:15.
Since God confirmed this name, though long, can we still put it today wherever we see God in the scriptures? Or must be jehovah as claimed? Mind you, He said,' This is my name forever and my memorial. Why do you think the name jehovah takes precedence over this. I have read and heard your people claiming that jehovah is God's personal name.
The former one is not personal?

MaxInDHouse:


The name JEHOVAH simply means
"He causes to become" "A lè wí lè ṣe"
So when JEHOVAH told Moses "I will become whatever i choose to become" He is expatiating on the meaning of the name "JEHOVAH" which He told Moses that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never saw Him exhibit the full meaning of His name! Exodus 6:2-3

The KJV translated that part as "I am what i am"

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14 KJV


So God said to Moses: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘I Will Become has sent me to you.’” Exodus 3:14 NWT

If you truly want to understand God's word you need to read, study and compare different versions, then meditate thoroughly on the words each translator choose to use for these texts before you can really get the sense of what you're reading in the Bible! Proverbs 2:1-5

JEHOVAH simply means "He causes to become" which is the reason why He told Moses "i will become whatever i choose to become" the translators of KJV tried but their rendering of that phrase "i am that i am" distorted the meaning of what God said in that verse!

MightySparrow:

Well due to to language limitations, I personally don't believe there is any words put together that can describe God.

I agree with you this time partially. Because in Genesis 17. He told Abraham that He is Almighty, capable of doing, becoming, undoing all and everything.

MaxInDHouse:


The name JEHOVAH simply means
"He causes to become" "A lè wí lè ṣe"
So when JEHOVAH told Moses "I will become whatever i choose to become" He is expatiating on the meaning of the name "JEHOVAH" which He told Moses that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never saw Him exhibit the full meaning of His name! Exodus 6:2-3

The KJV translated that part as "I am what i am"

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14 KJV


So God said to Moses: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘I Will Become has sent me to you.’” Exodus 3:14 NWT

If you truly want to understand God's word you need to read, study and compare different versions, then meditate thoroughly on the words each translator choose to use for these texts before you can really get the sense of what you're reading in the Bible! Proverbs 2:1-5

JEHOVAH simply means "He causes to become" which is the reason why He told Moses "i will become whatever i choose to become" the translators of KJV tried but their rendering of that phrase "i am that i am" distorted the meaning of what God said in that verse!

MightySparrow:



So, God's language is Hebrew? If He created everyone, confused their language He understands and relates with people by His own standard (election). Well, Hebrew may have been the original language.

My take, God revealed Himself to Moses, he said, I am

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3: 15.

Since God confirmed this name, though long, can we still put it today wherever we see God in the scriptures? Or must be jehovah as claimed? Mind you, He said,' This is my name forever and my memorial. Why do you think the name jehovah takes precedence over this. I have read and heard your people claiming that jehovah is God's personal name.


The former one is not personal?

achorladey:


Why do you think the name jehovah takes precedence over this. I have read and heard your people claiming that jehovah is God's personal name... MightySparrow


Key question you raised. When they come out and say God's name was removed from the Bible you begin to wonder who is really removing what in particular.

Even this Jehovah they use here and there didn't originate with their religious organization.

Janosky:


3 doghead slaves

Janosky:
.

This 3 doghead slave no get conscience

Wahala for 3 doghead slaves

"the 3 dogheads", "the oly spirit", the oly demonic ghost"
"the ole demon ghost", etc. etc.

Janosky:

3 dogheads worshippers will begin to WAIL
3 dogheads worshippers led by the same 'oly ghost (demon)

Janosky:

3 doghead worshippers

Janosky:

The 'oly demonic ghost

Janosky:

the ole demon ghost

MightySparrow:

Did you follow my own line of argument? God Himself, introduced Himself as to Moses, who probably, didn't hear about God based on his background and said,........' this is my name forever.....' then introduced another. name. Which of these is not personal name?

MightySparrow:


Did you follow my own line of argument? God Himself, introduced Himself as to Moses, who probably, didn't hear about God based on his background and said,........' this is my name forever.....' then introduced another. name. Which of these is not personal name?

MaxInDHouse:


MightySparrow, why not concentrate on one side then after you've gotten the sense of what JWs are saying try to concentrate on what other people are saying then figure out which one is consistent?
The person you're responding to has nothing to offer other than criticism!

For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

99.9% of readers of this verse knows that the person talked about here as a personal name (Jesus) but please can you convince sonmvayina that Jesus is the personal name of the one Isaiah is talking about? The answer is NO! Why? Because the verse never mentioned the PERSONAL NAME "Jesus" sonmvayina will continue to argue with anyone over the personal name of the person Isaiah is talking about there.
So for the fact that Isaiah said "his name will be called" but never mentioned "Jesus" Muslims and the likes of sonmvayina will never agree that it's Jesus.
The same thing happened at Exodus 3:15 and 6:3, God's personal name is mentioned but His character which led to that name is what God described at Exodus 3:15.
The problem here is that you people don't go preaching and teaching as Jesus commands otherwise you should try to preach to an Hindu or Buddhist then after telling him/her all the good thing Jesus will do don't mention his personal name, just say "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace" then leave the Hindu and Buddhist to sort out the rest if they will not tell you they know the person that verse is talking about:
The Hindu will tell you it's LORD Krishna while the Buddhist will tell you it's LORD Buddha.

That's the importance of the PERSONAL name of God that you're trying to dispute now!

achorladey:



MightySparrow, why not concentrate on one side then after you've gotten the sense of what JWs are saying try to concentrate on what other people are saying then figure out which one is consistent?... MaxInDHouse

Well due to to language limitations, I personally don't believe there is any words put together that can describe God..... MightySparrow

You sure you see this before typing the above about MightySparrow?

The person you're responding to has nothing to offer other than criticism!.... MaxInDHouse

Considering you cannot lay a single hold against my post so far . After all from your darling religious leaders said CRITICISM is not UNCHRISTIAN . Pe le ti e.

I am not like you who said a particular part of the Bible was not translated well enough when you lack expertise in that field in the first place.

achorladey:


Did you follow my own line of argument... MightySparrow

Yes, and the reason is why I said why will a religious organisation jump on JEHOVAH and begin to impress it on everyone that this is God's personal name and must be used or went ahead to say what they call God's personal name was removed from the Bible whereas that name itself never originated with the religious organization and the name was coined just some six hundred years AGO while other names used have been in existence long before JEHOVAH came into the picture.

Reality tell us what Moses heard God pronounced wasn't JEHOVAH .

MightySparrow:

Ok to whom was revealed this name? How is the name to be used?