Pastor Kumuyi, where have you been all our lives?

I stopped reading at this line.

By this one line, you don't need to know Femin Adeshina to know that he can't be taken seriously.

Mr Adeshina has always known where Pastor Kumuyi has been. Indeed his principal has met with him in the past, by his own admission.

But Adeshin now extols Pastor Kumuyi solely because he has made comments that could be, by those willing to do so, taken out of context and erected as a shield for the corrupt and ineffective government of the day.

IamWonderful:
Wisdom is profitable to direct, kid, Jesus Christ was alive when Herod snatched his brother's wife but He didn't say anything until John the Baptist spoke against it and he was killed

This your comment is one of Pastor Kumuyi's teaching in 2019.

You'll not see righteousness2 in threads like this.

Hi

presidency:
He rarely speaks on things that do not have to do with the work of the Kingdom, which he is completely sold out to, and has been engrossed in for over 50 years. In fact, he exemplifies the words of the prophet that “he shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.”

But someone stuck his fingers in the mouth of Pastor William Folorunsho Kumuyi, General Superintendent of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry, recently, and the man had to speak. He didn’t cry or strive, and “a bruised reed he did not break,” smoking flax he did not quench. But the cleric gave some home truths on what the attitude of a true Christian should be to secular government, particularly of his own country.

This was how it all happened. Professor Dapo Asaju, a cleric and academic, former Vice Chancellor of Ajayi Crowther University, had called out Pastor Kumuyi, and Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye, General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), telling them that it was not enough to just concentrate on their massive congregations, but that they must seek to meet President Muhammadu Buhari on the state of the nation, and tell him “enough is enough.”

Prof Asaju added: “All ministers of God must speak out...I (am) looking forward to Baba (Kumuyi) addressing a World Conference, with Baba Adeboye seated beside him. Let them call people and say enough is enough. They need to lead other people to convene a high-powered meeting with the President.” As if the two men of God had not met with the President at different times, where they counseled him, and prayed for the nation. They equally lead their congregations to do so, almost weekly.

If you read between the lines, the respected academic was vexed and exasperated with the security situation in the country, and its concomitant spin-offs. Who is not? Who will not be? Are things normal? Far from it. But is the government up and doing to turn things around for the people? Very much so. Then, is a subtle sponsoring of insurrection by ministers of God the next thing to do? Far from it. At least, for those who know the purpose of their call, and how they should comport themselves in a troubled polity. Like our Master, “a bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.” (Matthew 12:20).

Pastor Kumuyi last weekend responded to Prof Asaju through a statement titled ‘The Church and the Challenges of a Nation,’ which I recommend that all Christians should read, and which is also very instructive to non-Christians.

What is the purport and summary of what the Deeper Life G.S said? He noted that the concerns of Prof Asaju could not be dismissed, and the man must be seen as a patriot, but “at Deeper Christian Life Ministry, we are far more aware of the existential crossroads than many perceive.

“We present the Word of God as delivered in the Holy Bible, alright, but we warn that in the long run, the Lord is interested in a fusion of obedience to His Word and relating amicably with fellow human beings, regardless of class, color, caste (religion) or culture. We teach that if you genuinely believe in Christ, you wouldn’t hate your neighbor. Nor would you disdain those in power because they appear not to be delivering on electoral pledges such that you would go on the rampage, destroying government property or pilfering the public till. We teach a linear life of Christian walk: you can’t be a saint on Sunday and a monster on Monday.”

Profound. Earnest. Well said. Deep as in Deeper Life. Pastor Kumuyi, where have you been all our lives? Thank you, thank you for speaking out now. “If you genuinely believe in Christ, you wouldn’t hate your neighbor. Nor would you disdain those in power because they appear not to be delivering on electoral pledges such that you would go on the rampage, destroying government property...”

Profound, again I say, profound. But this is not what we hear from most preachers today. What we rather see is the pulpit being turned to a soapbox, where hatred is preached, where fake news is spread week after week, and where congregants are instigated against the leadership of the country. And I know what I am saying. I used to attend a church in Abuja from 2015 to 2018, till the pastor began to see himself as someone who must bring the Buhari government down. Sunday after Sunday, it was all sorts of criticism from the pulpit. But I endured, since it was branch of a church I had attended for over 30 years. Till one day, he overdid it. The Dapchi girls were abducted, and there was no name the pastor did not call President Buhari that Sunday. It was horrendous that such things could come from the pulpit. But I suffered long, and sat through the sermon, or rather, what was supposed to be a sermon. I then went home, wondering what the church of God was turning to.

If you recall, the Dapchi girls were recovered within a week, except for Leah Sharibu, and a few others. Awful, quite sad, but still there was cause for one to be thankful to God. So, the following Sunday, I went to that church, waiting to hear what the pastor would say, having excoriated and flagellated the government so badly the week before. I was dazed, nay, stunned. Throughout the sermon, not a word, not even a whisper about the recovered Dapchi girls. Bad faith. “If you are a genuine believer in Christ, you wouldn’t hate your neighbor. Nor would you disdain those in power...”

Pastor Kumuyi also says if you are a true believer in Christ, you wouldn’t go on the rampage, destroying government property.... But that was not what we saw in the country in October last year. The country was almost burned down under the subterfuge of EndSARS. And sadly, they were encouraged by pastors and preachers, who simply hate the fact that a Fulani man is their President. Many of them are on record as having encouraged the protesters, till things went ugly, turned awry. And the pastors vanished into the thin air. Not a word of caution or restraint as the cities were burning, and policemen were being killed, and even eaten up. “If you are a genuine believer in Christ, you wouldn’t...go on the rampage, destroying government property.”

Irrespective of the titles they bear, I hear Bishops, Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Evangelists, cursing the government, and issuing doomsday notices. One even said publicly that the Buhari administration was over, before the 2019 elections. But the man won handsomely, and that preacher still struts and frets on the pulpit every week, not repenting in sackcloth and ashes. “If you are a genuine believer in Christ, you wouldn’t hate your neighbor. Nor would you disdain those in power...” Thank you, Pastor Kumuyi.

Without sitting in judgment over anybody, I just believe that majority of our preachers need to be born again again. If what we hear them preach and teach is anything to go by, they need to be born again again. Otherwise, Heaven seems to be very far away. May God help us all. Amen.

In his reply to Professor Asaju (please get the full text, and read) Pastor Kumuyi gave many instances on how God has intervened in the situations and circumstances of humanity through the works of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry, both within and outside the country. He then concluded: “I see more of the Lord’s focus on attending to the challenges of our nation and the countries of the world. I see Him containing the conflicts confronting His people as we pray in the name of Jesus.”

And I say amen. A resounding amen. That is the balanced perspective, the approach of a true man of God. That is the ancient landmark, which we must not shift or remove. We must “earnestly contend for the faith, which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude, verse 3). But some would say Kumuyi is of the old school. And I say yes, the old school is the real school, and remains ever faithful, ever sure.

*Adesina is Special Adviser to President Buhari on Media and Publicity

so 2023 is around the corner as adesina is already looking for new gig

othermen:
Using your platform to ask the presidency to awake to its responsibilities in providing security or development relevant to the people's need is not disdaining or hating those in power. Using your platform to remind the presidency of its promises during the election and how much it has failed in fulfilling the promises is not disdaining or hating those in power.

Not doing so, is hating the downtrodden and the people who cannot afford the lives of splendour that you live. It's hating those who cannot afford the private jets that you have or the armed guards that you possess, it's condemning them to death by bandits.

Jesus Christ spoke to power, and he was on the blacklist of several authorities(political and religious authorities) in his time, and he was eventually executed in a brutal manner because of his actions and words.

He denounced religious authorities (the pharisees), he overturned the temple that has become a money making venture, he sheltered prostitutes.

Speaking up to the presidency or urging the presidency to remember the downtrodden is an act of love, rebuking the presidency for not doing enough to protect Nigerians is not disdaining or hating the presidency, but an act of love for those who are most susceptible to murder and kidnap, which is the rest of us.

It's irresponsible to equate speaking out about corruption, weakening economy, insecurity and a load of cardinal others, it's irresponsible and an evidence of depravity or bereavement of compassion- to equate such to hatred.

Christ also had hatred within him;

Apostle Paul in Romans 13: 7 wrote, 'we must pay the administration what is owed'... and what is owed this administration is genuine truth, a conveyance of tiredness of the state of a nation in disarray....but of coz if the nation is not in disarray, and there is no poverty or hunger or unemployment or diseases, how many would be in this gigantic churches that don't care about them, but only their pockets?

It is upon the shoulders and back of those most displaced by the administration inefficiency that the foundations of several churches have turned. The poor is told to give all they have as offerings in order for Gods blessing, the bishops takes this, and live affluently ever after... while the poor remains unfortunate..., the bishop breaks bread with those that have caused the misfortune... so it will seem the Bishop also have an interest in the disarray state of the nation, because it is the source of their affluence. Most of the prayers in our churches would not be in a nation that has the right leadership and where things work.

May the spirit of Christ be in the Church.

You guys should not fall for mumu comment of Femi Adesina.

If he and his Buhari that he is praising follows Kumuyi preachings, we wont be here.

He is only playing divide and rule.

If you're conversant with the Monday Bible Study by Pastor W. F. Kumuyi, you'll know that he do speak about evil people in government & also condemn their acts BUT he doesn't do that like a tout, but with wisdom.


PS: Just because you're a tout, doesn't mean everyone should be like you.

If any body close to buhari is praising you, take a good look at your self. I like kumuyi but I think he should watch it.

othermen:
Using your platform to ask the presidency to awake to its responsibilities in providing security or development relevant to the people's need is not disdaining or hating those in power. Using your platform to remind the presidency of its promises during the election and how much it has failed in fulfilling the promises is not disdaining or hating those in power.

Not doing so, is hating the downtrodden and the people who cannot afford the lives of splendour that you live. It's hating those who cannot afford the private jets that you have or the armed guards that you possess, it's condemning them to death by bandits.

Jesus Christ spoke to power, and he was on the blacklist of several authorities(political and religious authorities) in his time, and he was eventually executed in a brutal manner because of his actions and words.

He denounced religious authorities (the pharisees), he overturned the temple that has become a money making venture, he sheltered prostitutes.

Speaking up to the presidency or urging the presidency to remember the downtrodden is an act of love, rebuking the presidency for not doing enough to protect Nigerians is not disdaining or hating the presidency, but an act of love for those who are most susceptible to murder and kidnap, which is the rest of us.

It's irresponsible to equate speaking out about corruption, weakening economy, insecurity and a load of cardinal others, it's irresponsible and an evidence of depravity or bereavement of compassion- to equate such to hatred.

Christ also had hatred within him; Christ had hatred for injustice, Christ had hatred for sin... but he only had love for the sinners and the downtrodden. But our bishops do not seek to follow the footsteps of Christ. They want to be in the good books of the authorities, they are scared that if they speak out, they may be investigated and their financial improprieties exposed, they are afraid if they defend the downtrodden, the positions of power they hold may be withdrawn; it would seem the positions of power is not from Christ, that they would abandon Christ teachings in order to be legitimised by a corrupt and inefficient, 'murderous' administration.

When Jesus told us to give to Ceaser what is Ceaser's due, he meant that we should fulfil our civic duties or responsibilities as good citizens. And what greater civic duty can we have than speaking out when we see many murdered by the cops in extra-judicial killings, when we see many suffering and hungry, when our roads are highways to hell... what greater civic duty can we have than speaking out, than by admonishing this administration to awake to its duties?

Apostle Paul in Romans 13: 7 wrote, 'we must pay the administration what is owed'... and what is owed this administration is genuine truth, a conveyance of tiredness of the state of a nation in disarray....but of coz if the nation is not in disarray, and there is no poverty or hunger or unemployment or diseases, how many would be in this gigantic churches that don't care about them, but only their pockets?

It is upon the shoulders and back of those most displaced by the administration inefficiency that the foundations of several churches have turned. The poor is told to give all they have as offerings in order for Gods blessing, the bishops takes this, and live affluently ever after... while the poor remains unfortunate..., the bishop breaks bread with those that have caused the misfortune... so it will seem the Bishop also have an interest in the disarray state of the nation, because it is the source of their affluence. Most of the prayers in our churches would not be in a nation that has the right leadership and where things work.

May the spirit of Christ be in the Church.

well said

IamWonderful:
Wisdom is profitable to direct, kid, Jesus Christ was alive when Herod snatched his brother's wife but He didn't say anything until John the Baptist spoke against it and he was killed

Jesus did not speak against it because he had not began his ministry yet.
John was still on the scene.

It's not about wisdom.

Jesus spoke against evil anywhere he saw it.

IamWonderful:
Wisdom is profitable to direct, kid, Jesus Christ was alive when Herod snatched his brother's wife but He didn't say anything until John the Baptist spoke against it and he was killed

Okay, so what principle of wisdom are you attempting to establish from that passage of scripture? As far as we know, we are not given a reason why Jesus did not speak - how are you then able to draw any certain parallels between that and the present situation of Nigeria?

thebosstrevor1:
Imagine if Christians can obey what is written in the bible. The world will be a better place.

Those who went about to destroy people means of income during the endsar protest shouuld read this.

If Imams will preach peace and Muslims can do quarter of what Christians are doing Nigeria would have been heaven on earth.

You want his house to be burnt down by falunatics at 2.a.m?

ImmaculateJOE:
Okay Sir, we've heard you.
But when are you going to write about the hate speech been spread by Imams at the mosque, esp during Jumat sermons.

I've never heard or read where femi criticise our islam preachers who often call for bloodshed. What are you afraid of Sire...??

Karlifate:
If you're conversant with the Monday Bible Study by Pastor W. F. Kumuyi, you'll know that he do speak about evil people in government & also condemn their acts BUT he doesn't do that like a tout, but with wisdom.


PS: Just because you're a tout, doesn't mean everyone should be like you.

I think the correct answer is that he has a lot of friends in this govt and doesn't want to offend them.
He invited osinbajo to his church a few times.

He is human too and open to bias.

It doesn't mean he won't make heaven.

“We present the Word of God as delivered in the Holy Bible, alright, but we warn that in the long run, the Lord is interested in a fusion of obedience to His Word and relating amicably with fellow human beings, regardless of class, color, caste (religion) or culture. We teach that if you genuinely believe in Christ, you wouldn’t hate your neighbor. Nor would you disdain those in power because they appear not to be delivering on electoral pledges such that you would go on the rampage, destroying government property or pilfering the public till. We teach a linear life of Christian walk: you can’t be a saint on Sunday and a monster on Monday.”

Pastor Kumuyi

SmartyPants:


Okay, so what principle of wisdom are you attempting to establish from that passage of scripture? As far as we know, we are not given a reason why Jesus did not speak - how are you then able to draw any certain parallels between that and the present situation of Nigeria?

Respect those in power.

CSTR2:

I think the correct answer is that he has a lot of friends in this govt and doesn't want to offend them.
He invited osinbajo to his church a few times.

He is human too and open to bias.

It doesn't mean he won't make heaven.

No, personality varies.

Some are outspoken, some are reserved.

"you can’t be a saint on Sunday and a monster on Monday.”

Pastor Kumuyi

nzeobi:
Kumuyi should chill with his holier than thou attitude. Even prophets in the bible spoke against injustice and many ills

As christians when we see evil we should always speak out else we become an enabler.

Buhari failed and is still failing and needs people who will tell it to him to his face or maybe kumuyi is still being carried away by buharis fake integrity.

People are built differently, until you know this peace may be far from you!!

thebosstrevor1:
Imagine if Christians can obey what is written in the bible. The world will be a better place.

Those who went about to destroy people means of income during the endsar protest shouuld read this.

And Muslim obey what is written in Koran. Ghen ghen

victorazy:


Respect those in power.

So I should respect abacha when he was looting billions of dollars away?

Or I should respect Buhari for decimating the standard of living?

Do your duty as a citizen. Pay your taxes, obey the law that is in agreement with the word of God, be your brothers keeper.

God did not ask us to ass lick our leaders.

Jesus was an expert in disgracing political and religious leaders of his time.

Even if the people in authorities are demonic, Christians should still submit themselves to the same governing authorities. Does this make any sense when the same bible says we should stand up for what is right and noble.There is nothing wrong in speaking out as a man of God.

You prophesied before and we didn't see anything. Now you are telling us another story

IF YOU DON'T SPEAK UP AGAINST EVIL YOU'RE SUPPORTING IT PERIOD!!

THERE'S NO NEUTRALITY!!

Elijah did it! Elisha did!

Isaiah did Jeremiah did
Jesus did same he was killed for saying the truth

No Christian should keep quiet when things are going bad in Thier country.

Don't hate but speak up!!

Christ debated with those guys then many times

Lobbish

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So the prophets of old like Elijah, Elisha and Nathan most especially that warn David about injustice are not from God.

I always said that posterity will judge this man and his generations yet unborn.

So the prophets of old like Elijah, Elisha and Nathan most especially that warn David about injustice are not from God?

I always said that posterity will judge this man and his generations yet unborn.

Jesus wey pursue mad men wey turn church to market place knows why he did it.

No dey give this government excuse for their failures

Leave Baba alone face your govt and fix it rot ,

No be today them don deh talk, how will kumuyi own now be the own to make any difference?

Jesus opposes the oppressive Pharisees that administered the affairs of men during his time, to the extent that they sought to kill him.

He never kept quiet in the face of injustice like the so called Men of God of our clime that dine with wicked leaders.

t happened to me too, and it's very common in Abuja.
It's so demoralizing and discouraging listening to people you've held in high esteem in the Christendom spilling hate, inciting congregants to be lawless and so on.

Any church that spilled hatred from the pulpit against anyone or tribe, incite people against constituted authority, lump unfounded conspiracy theory to arouse sentiment, count me out.

The conviction i have had as a Christian is that of love and not of hate, for God is love. So anything outside this is heretical to me.

JavaScript90:
I have already lost my respect for kumuyi since 2019 . i can remember during the build of the 2015 election kumuyi refused to welcome the president of Nigeria to his church in the name of 'he does not give politicians his pulpit'. Honestly I didn't make much out of that but respected his opinion. But to my greatest suprise this kumuyi allowed buhari to his church during the build up of 2019 election. When I saw this I bled in my heart. So because Jonathan is a kind hearted man Mr kumuyi humiliated him like that because he knows that there will be no repercussions. But ook at how he suddenly changed mouth when it was buhari. That action made me lose respect for him and I don't want to believe he is a tribalist

Can you share evidence of Buhari in Deeper Life Church?