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federal9:
And who told you they were bowing down to images?

You are joining the multitudes to castigate the Catholic Church.


You are not a Catholic. Stop deceiving yourself. Paying respect by bowing down is different from worship.

Keep quoting yourself with different moniker to paint the catholic church bad.

Bigredmachine:
Instead I will go to another church I rather remain a Catholic I was born into... I was not there when Catholic church was created but as a man would have intellect I should ask questions about this and that when am not cleared about something... The contradictory messages between churches is what is even bursting my head...

Outside hail Mary and so... I think it's only Catholic that believes in purgatory... I may be wrong though, I need clarity if I am....

Your JW self get their own, they believe they are the only set of Christian doing the work of God, once there was a time one of u told me how there was no heaven or earth anywhere... I became confuse again, cos going to another church will confuse me the more, different churches with their own teachings... Last last I gave up just to live and do what I know is right

Omicron007:
Considering the vast number of Christian denominations in Nigeria today, why did you choose your current church?

Some people are attending a particular church just because they were born into the church.

thinkmoney:
Na u wan dey confuse urself. Bible is there. That should be the sole authority. I swear I am not a JW, but na them they behave like the Christians acts of the apostles describe the most. 2 reasons:
1. If you want to quickly think of people that actively preach. Na them side ur mind go go.
2. Most Christians denominations erroneously, against the clear teaching of the bible, equate Jesus with God the father, confusing everybody. JW clearly teaches that Jesus is the chief servant of God. They even try revealing or reminding people if Gods name.
These are fruits my dear. And it's by a trees fruit you know if the tree is good or bad. One thing that ironically go for them too, it's funny in a way, is that they are one of the most hated people. The bible clearly, clearly, clearly predicted that true worshippers will be hated.

sageb:
Where is the church located in port Harcourt?
Post the address

Mercychen:
Why would I tell a stranger my location?
I can't please.

Just visit any RCCG near you and be blessed.

Good night.
Sweet dreams, dear.

FullBlastLight:
Who d stranger is btw us two?

I'm following already!

Mercychen:

MaxInDHouse:
When Jesus started this religion in the first century many people including the leaders and religious title chiefs in Israel began criticizing Jesus until Jesus and his group were labelled as insanes to be vilified in the society {John 9:22; 10:20} so whoever accepts Jesus' line of thought must be prepared to face the society that's why Jesus told his followers they must be prepared to bear whatever it will cost them to be his followers! Matthew 16:24

Peter (one of his closest confidants) asked him a question and Jesus' reply became something i keep meditating upon for years:

Peter began to say to him: “Look! We have left all things and followed you.”  Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life. Mark 10:28-30

Everlasting life has been God's promise for the righteous long before Jesus' arrival {Psalms 37:29} so all Israelites believe that if they are found to be righteous before God everlasting life is certain, but since no one has gotten it there must be something that righteous ones should possess now to assure them that they're truly on the road to everlasting life {Matthew 7:13-14} so Peter's question was appropriate.

Now let's consider Jesus' reply!
Before mentioning "everlasting life" which all Israelites were familiar with Jesus told Peter that anyone who has left friends and families to become his disciple will gain hundred times what they lost (with persecution)

This statement keeps ringing in my mind ever since i read it, so i began asking myself:
Where is the group Jesus talked about today?
Which group do people generally vilify most?
Which group can one join as a worshiper of God then gain countless family of faith?

Jesus said they will have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} they will be hated by all people {Matthew 10:22} many will call them a cult {Matthew 10:25} but then everyone will keep saying this group have love among themselves! John 13:34-35

So i keep watching out for this group but i was looking for the right thing in the wrong place because back then i was a Muslim and i love to read Jesus' words since the Qur'an confirmed that Jesus is the Al-misil {Messiah or Christ or Saviour) i keep searching for a Muslim group that's fitting with Jesus' description but there is none! One day i met Jehovah's Witnesses they also claim Christians so i wanted to make jest of them as i believe those claiming Christians have derailed by rejecting the last prophet (Muhammad)
Then i received the greatest shock of my life!
Everything this people believe is exactly what Jesus taught about his group. The most surprising thing about this group is the way they so much treasure their organization in their hearts. So i asked one of them "what is the reason why you people so much believe in this your organization to the point that you're prepared to forgo anything just to remain in this organization?"
This man now quoted Jesus' comments that i have always long to decipher {Mark 10:28-30} but this time he Interpreted it to the point that i began shedding tears of joy that i finally found Jesus' group!
He asked me what i think about getting hundred times of families and friends, i told him i've been wondering how possible is that since Jesus made such a reply to Peter over the loss of families and friends, where can one get that?
Then he asked me what i think about a global family of peace loving worshipers that everyone knows how much they love to care for their members even when they've never seen one another before but just because of being members of the same religion.
So he said "many people find it really hard to cope with this organization but they knew that there's no assurance of getting what Jesus promised if they're no more having the global family Jesus promised, that's why they're ready to live and die as members of Jesus' promised family of countless brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, children and homes"

That's why I'm fully convinced that i now have what Jesus promised his faithful disciples: the organization of believers that treats one another better than worldly families!

btoks:
Where exactly does the bible state that it is the sole authority?

How did we end up with thousands of denominations with different teachings if they all went into this same authority without church tradition and guidance?

The church of the apostles is a trinitarian one as you can see from the council declarations.

sageb:
which organization is that?

thinkmoney:
Na u wan dey confuse urself. Bible is there. That should be the sole authority. I swear I am not a JW, but na them they behave like the Christians acts of the apostles describe the most. 2 reasons:
1. If you want to quickly think of people that actively preach. Na them side ur mind go go.
2. Most Christians denominations erroneously, against the clear teaching of the bible, equate Jesus with God the father, confusing everybody. JW clearly teaches that Jesus is the chief servant of God. They even try revealing or reminding people if Gods name.
These are fruits my dear. And it's by a trees fruit you know if the tree is good or bad. One thing that ironically go for them too, it's funny in a way, is that they are one of the most hated people. The bible clearly, clearly, clearly predicted that true worshippers will be hated.

FullBlastLight:
Oh, u're there?

Mercy, trust u know u've not done me any kind thing as yet, huh?

MrMacinterchi1:
if you won't mind, do tell about the encounter with the Holy spirit of the living God?

Mercychen:
What did i do? .

FullBlastLight:
What u did?

How on d planet earth cld u call me a stranger?

Or, is dt supposed 2 be fair or exciting?

C'mon, talk 2 me, Mercy!

chatinent:
I was born a Catholic. I remember asking a Reverend Father what “bowing down to graven images as a sin” meant. He was biting his words cos he suspected the Jesus statue would be questioned.

Due to my inquisition, I had to dig deeper. Why venerate Mary? What is really her role? What's the role of the rosaries using the Bible? Can Jesus be God and still pray to God? What are the use of those Holy Sacrament and Hail Mary incantations? Where is Father Christmas in the Bible? Is Mary the mother of God? Very many questions...

I gave up.

I am now one of the JW.

Climax4:
My own brother carry go I wanted to reply this Monika privately but hence you are here I give up. Please if he can allow you share the Bible truth personally I am here to assist

thinkmoney:
All this councils happened after the bible was compiled. With whatever tradition the catholic church came up with after this councils, it's obvious they arent obeying the bible were it says no dot should be added or taken away. In another place God told moses, 'Jehovah your God is one Jehovah'. They obviously aren't interested in taking into cognisance christ's stance when he said, 'the father is greater than I am. The bible at Timothy stated that it is complete (emphasis on complete) and good for setting matters straight.
The catholic church brought into the church the traditions of men that were prevalent in those days. This is the same thing the bible had warned that we shouldn't do.
Churches that have different doctrines most time like catholic church choose to twist the bible to suit their taste and at other times ignore some part of the bible. Example. Can u imagine a GO that has separated from his wife and taken in another be preaching against divorce? This in fact was one reason why Anglican came about. Can u imagine a roman catholic priest emphasising to his congregation the part of the ten commandment where it clearly stated that one shouldn't bow down to images (either to worship or respect)?

Xantel:
Trinity is just English, but you know we have God the Father, God the son and God the holy Spirit, abi you nor know? The word Trinity wasn't mentioned doesn't mean the meaning is not in the Bible. Na wa ooo

Xantel:
Matthew 28:19, even 2cor 13: 14 and more

If I may ask what is the meaning of holy Trinity?


The bolded, I don't know and can you please show me in the bible?
The word 'Trinity' and its concept can't be found in the bible

Xantel:
Matthew 28:19, even 2cor 13: 14 and more

If I may ask what is the meaning of holy Trinity?


The bolded, I don't know and can you please show me in the bible?
The word 'Trinity' and its concept can't be found in the bible

btoks:
Ironically it was these same councils that determined the canon of bible ( you may want to ref councils in the 380’s to 390’s),also council of Trent.

The bible isn't authored by one person and the bit about adding or taking away only referred to the written book or letter (should any book have been added to Revelations that you cite)


The church itself existed decades before any of the NT books were written. Just as they clarified which books belonged in the canon of scripture based on tradition ( some places would have had only one or 2 books while other books like revelations were disputed), they also clarified other matters of faith, morals and church discipline.

You can see how the church came together in Acts 15 to decide on the matter of circumcision, these counicils did not end there but have carried on. It is the church which is the pillar & foundation of truth ( 1 tim 3:15) and has the power to bind and loose ( Matt 16 13-20, matt 18.

My 2kobo on this as I'm already derailing the original thread.

thinkmoney:
My friend, I am replying you now because I felt I needed the time to calmly reply u. First, way before even Jesus christ came, the old testament books had already been set josephus and Jerome commented on this. While new testament books compilation has we know them now in most bible had already been set around 100AD. The writers were known (most of them had physical relationship with Jesus) and they made references to themselves. What happened centuries later by Roman Catholic church is just to formalised/ canonized the list of books that were already known, accepted and widely used. The early Christian's were known has book publishers and users (u can get these facts online).
Going forward, the Roman Catholic church isn't the continuation of the early Church (I am for the truth. I don't have anything against Catholics). The First church was not a Roman Church. There were a lot of practices that Roman Catholics introduced that wasn't there in the first church. Roman Catholic formal start can be traced back to when Constantine in 313 AD in the edit of Milan ended the church persecution and in 325 made a set of Christians (there was several set at this point. The major being the Arians. These sets were fulfilment of the prophesies by Jesus and the apostles that apostasy will come), the Catholics, the religion of the state. This move was political.
Going further, the canonisation of the bible books that Catholics attempted rather was an attempt at messing up the bible. Because they added Apocryphal books that were generally discredited because their sources are highly questionable. (You can understand this more if you take time to search the advice Jerome gave a woman named Loeta about the books of the bible).
Sadly, in doing more arms to the bible, the catholic church later played a vital part, by discouraging the circulation of the book of God and in many instances even burning up the bible and people that owned one.
The councils that The catholic church organised were way different from the meetings that the apostles used to have to deliberate on serious matters. The apostles were very wary of whatever traditions. They instead based their decisions on careful and painstaking study and crossreferencing of the books that were the then bible. They do not make any decisions that can't be supported by the bible.
In conclusion Peter isn't the Rock that the church was built on. The bible verse that catholics do site, is just Jesus calling Peter and telling him that he Jesus, is the Rock that the church is built on. How do we know this? It's simple. You understand the bible clearer when you search other parts that discus similar matter. At several places the bible points to Jesus has the chief corner stone of the church. The apostles are also stones. Infact all Christians in one way or the other are stones in the church. We are the church. Our foundation is on one Rock which is the Christ_not Peter. Peter infact said this himself in 1Peter 2:6-8.
So please, eschew sentiments and emotional attachment to falsehood. When greater truths come in,have the courage to accept it. Importantly too, no apostles will attempt to bind or loose against the will of God. That would be praying amiss and against the will of God which is futile and even a sin. The apostles were always careful that their actions and decisions aligned with the will of God which has been expressly stated in the bible alone.

btoks:
I can refute absolutely every line you've got here but I really haven't got the time. Been there done that. All these have been dealt with over centuries.
My only question is this - what church do we know its succession of bishops pre this 313AD, where is that church post 313? Afterall the gates of hell isn't suppose to prevail against this church.

thinkmoney:
Well, courtesy and ethics demands that if u aren't ready to go about defending whatever ur take is in this kind of sensitive issue, you shouldn't then comment at all. Else u can be dismissed as a rabble rouser or worst as a lousy ignoramous.
Where in the Bible was there arrangement for Bishopric to be handed down like some kingship? There were always Christian brothers all through the time since after the death of christ. Many were persecuted and suppressed. No true Christians can enjoy the kind of parley Roman Catholics had with the government of those days and still do. True Christian's are persecuted and suppressed. This is in the bible.
True Christians based their teachings and lifestyles on the bible, the lamp and word of God that came from God for the church not some traditions...not the church subjecting the word under it but rather the other way round.
I dare tell u that u can not have any sound reason against this logic, else ofcourse u want to be a catholic and bring your reasons from some 'church traditions' of some alien source.
Again courtesy and ethics demand you don't talk again unless you bring some proofs to reason on.

btoks:
Sooth yourself, brethen.
What flaming courtesy and ethics, na by force. I've commented as time permits but you expect me to respond to every rehashed line you've posted that one finds nowhere in antiquity.

Another question for you to chew on based on your 'where in the bible' logic -
Where in the bible does it state the books of Matthew, Mark or Hebrews are part of the bible?

Where in the bible is the word bible?

thinkmoney:
U are olodo, obviously. Were in your book is the word book. Bible from biblia means book. Overtime the word came to refer only to the scripture of Christians. I am not at this point responding just because I want to reply u, I am responding because of those other people that will come across my responses.
This books like the books before them (the Hebrew scriptures) recorded the dealings of God with his people. Infact they recorded the crown of the dealings, the lifetime and life work of Jesus. Many if those new testament books were written by people that were witnesses to these things. And almost all the writers referenced each other writings or mentioned the other in their own writings. This books, by this writers were compiled and accepted to be part of the inspired scriptures way before any canonisation by catholics.
So by Gods power and wisdom, their isnt any significant question or doubt you try to rouse up that do not have logical answer sourced from verifiable history and work.
You faithless, Godless, dogmatic olodo.