Kobojunkie:
His followers

ok, let's continue. John 17.18 & 20 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

So we learn clearly that we should believe the words of those he sent forth. Hence we obey Christ when we believe Peter, John, Paul, and others he sent into the world. That is why we are Christians today. We did not live in the time of Christ but we have the words and records of his Apostles.

Christ commanded us to believe him through their words so if you don't believe their words you disobey Christ.

Finally, the books of Mattew, Mark, Luke, and John are the records kept by these men of Christ. he expects us to believe their words or their records. If you obey Christ you would believe the words of those he called and sent out to preach.

tctrills:
ok, let's continue. John 17.18 & 20 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

So we learn clearly that we should believe the words of those he sent forth. Hence we obey Christ when we believe Peter, John, Paul, and others he sent into the world. That is why we are Christians today. We did not live in the time of Christ but we have the words and records of his Apostles.

1. Christ commanded us to believe him through their words so if you don't believe their words you disobey Christ.

2. Finally, the books of Mattew, Mark, Luke, and John are the records kept by these men of Christ. he expects us to believe their words or their records. If you obey Christ you would believe the words of those he called and sent out to preach.

1. So you are saying that Jesus Christ gave a command to unbelievers, instructing them to believe the words of His followers then?

2. By us, you mean unbelievers, those who didn't even believe to begin with, right?.

Kobojunkie:
1. So you are saying that Jesus Christ gave a command to unbelievers, instructing them to believe the words of His followers then?

2. By us, you mean unbelievers, those who didn't even believe to begin with, right?.

Rephrase, I don't understand.
If unbelievers are expected to believe the words of this apostles then obviously believers should believe.
I am not sure it makes sense in saying unbelievers should believe and believers should doubt.
I hope that isn't your point because I don't get you.
The verse was Jesus Christ stamp on their words. He trusted them to deliver his words so who am I to doubt.
He pronounced a blessing for all those who believe their words.
The words of the apostles are not to be believed by only non Christian if that is what you are asking

tctrills:

Rephrase, I don't understand.
If unbelievers are expected to believe the words of this apostles then obviously believers should believe.
I am not sure it makes sense in saying unbelievers should believe and believers should doubt.
I hope that isn't your point because I don't get you.
The verse was Jesus Christ stamp on their words. He trusted them to deliver his words so who am I to doubt.
He pronounced a blessing for all those who believe their words.
The words of the apostles are not to be believed by only non Christian if that is what you are asking

Read Jesus Christ's prayer in John 17, beginning from verse 1, to see what He means. He wasn't giving anyone a commandment of any sort via that prayer which was directed at the person of the Father.

Unbelievers are those who are sent out to teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, to. They are the ones who on hearing us may chose to believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ pronounced a blessing on His followers and on all those who would believe in His - unbelievers turned believers - because of the spreading of the Gospel by His followers.

His followers are sent, not to the believers but to teach the unbelievers of Jesus Christ, in order that the can turn from their unbelief and become saved. Followers are meant to teach/advertise the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to unbelievers so they can choose to believe- those who already believe and are baptized ,have no need to be convinced again to believe.

Kobojunkie:
Read Jesus Christ's prayer in John 17, beginning from verse 1, to see what He means. He wasn't giving anyone a commandment of any sort via that prayer which was directed at the person of the Father.

Unbelievers are those who are sent out to teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, to. They are the ones who on hearing us may chose to believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ pronounced a blessing on His followers and on all those who would believe in His - unbelievers turned believers - because of the spreading of the Gospel by His followers.

His followers are sent, not to the believers but to teach the unbelievers of Jesus Christ, in order that the can turn from their unbelief and become saved. Followers are meant to teach/advertise the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to unbelievers so they can choose to believe- those who already believe and are baptized ,have no need to be convinced again to believe.

Your point is only unbelievers should believe the apostles. Once they convert, they stop believing the apostles

tctrills:

Your point is only unbelievers should believe the apostles. Once they convert, they stop believing the apostles

My point is the the mission we are given is to teach, not the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) but God's Law, Jesus Christ, to those who don't know Him and hence don't believe in Him.

Once they are saved, we are not longer to teach them anything since they are not longer unsaved or unbelievers.

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Most who call themselves today do not in fact know Jesus Christ or the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. What they know are the doctrines and traditions fed them by men and their churches, hence the reason why they remain disconnected from the Teacher,Jesus Christ who is Teacher to all those who in fact belong to Him.

sonmvayina:


Jesus will soon impregnate your mother, and you will foolishly believe her...won't you? One single sense you no get at all..

Nobody has the right to physically assault his or her neighbour for saying what he believes so go and see the psychiatrist fast before you get into trouble with your intolerant religion!

tctrills:

This is a free thread.. maybe others are not interested

Which of the churches today is following Jesus' teachings?

Whoever is not interested in this topic is not a true follower of the man who is called God's son:

However, when they hand you over, do not become anxious about how or what you are to speak, for what you are to speak will be given you in that hour; for the ones speaking are not just you, but it is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you. Matthew 10:19-20

Just know today that they're not Christians!

tctrills:

Do you realise that the world is a more loving and peaceful place than in the time of Jesus. Thanks to the Christian world. So we can't honestly claim that only one sect is responsible for the better world we live in.

Stop deceiving yourself!

When i was a child my parents use woody doors and there was no burglaries but today iron doors are everywhere including tick iron burglaries, people lock themselves in their own homes like caged animals all due to fear of their neighbours. Whereas i traveled to Iléṣà and got stranded because we were robbed, then i remembered what JWs quoted for me about the man they called God's Son {Mark 10:28-30} so i asked for the house of a JW, i was shocked that after seeing the first JW the others came all the way from their destinations and i was celebrated as if i came to visit them, food, drinks, roasted meat and they even asked me to take a cool shower in the house of one member. I can't believe my eyes, it was like a dream!
Ever since then i believe everything Jesus said and whatever the JWs teaches me from the Bible.
I slept over and was given enough cash to continue my journey, one of them offered to take me to the car park with his car four accompanied me and i remembered their little ones, a child was crying when i was leaving all because we sang the hymns to praise our God and as a former singer, the child came sitting by my side, when i was leaving the boy started crying, they have to tell him that i'll soon be back.

Do you think such is possible in any religion on this planet?

Please tell anyone around you that a JW lied to you about what i said and hear them say "don't mind them, they love their members" {John 13:34-35} so you may continue deceiving yourself but the truth can't be hidden! Matthew 5:14-16

tctrills:

Oga, you just told me that your group stands against racism and here you are being the most racist. What do you mean by useless Jews. Like I always say, most Christians are the same

My friend, you can't find anything against me so help yourself to embrace the truth!

If someone say "those useless Nigerians" does that mean there is no useful Nigerian?
Jesus was born, bread and raised a Jew.
His foster father, biological mother, brothers, sisters, other relatives, disciples and those that planned his execution were all Jews!

Now all the records of his life and ministry were penned down by Jews, the first set of pioneers who took the gospel to other nations were Jews and those persecuting and killing their own people for propagate the gospel we're all Jews!

So answer this question.
Are there useful as well as useless Jews? John 8:44

MaxInDHouse:


Nobody has the right to physically assault his or her neighbour for saying what he believes so go and see the psychiatrist fast before you get into trouble with your intolerant religion!

I am not a Muslim, I am not a Christian...I am a human being following Gods laws and statues.

You that believes a woman can become pregnant without the input of a man. Don't you think you need to see a psychiatrist.

You know naturally it is impossible...but you mumuishly believe it.

Why?

tctrills:

All kinds of history. Where did you get your hI story please.

From actual historian..

Not what the Catholics presented.

sonmvayina:


From actual historian..

Not what the Catholics presented.

Link me

tctrills:

Link me

Ok..

MaxInDHouse:


My friend, you can't find anything against me so help yourself to embrace the truth!

If someone say "those useless Nigerians" does that mean there is no useful Nigerian?
Jesus was born, bread and raised a Jew.
His foster father, biological mother, brothers, sisters, other relatives, disciples and those that planned his execution were all Jews!

Now all the records of his life and ministry were penned down by Jews, the first set of pioneers who took the gospel to other nations were Jews and those persecuting and killing their own people for propagate the gospel we're all Jews!

So answer this question.
Are there useful as well as useless Jews? John 8:44

I was really disappointed that you would go the path of racism and I am more surprised that you don't even realize what you did.
Saying useless Nigerians is insulting and if you are not a Nigerian it is racism.
You refered to Jews as useless and terrorist. We don't talk like that in today's world anymore. Imagine a white man say "useless blacks"

tctrills:

Hence my question.. how can anyone tell? What are the signs of Christ''s church?

Christ has no Church!

He didn't create any religion called Christianity!

So no need to look for a correct Church!

MaxInDHouse:


Stop deceiving yourself!

When i was a child my parents use woody doors and there was no burglaries but today iron doors are everywhere including tick iron burglaries, people lock themselves in their own homes like caged animals all due to fear of their neighbours. Whereas i traveled to Iléṣà and got stranded because we were robbed, then i remembered what JWs quoted for me about the man they called God's Son {Mark 10:28-30} so i asked for the house of a JW, i was shocked that after seeing the first JW the others came all the way from their destinations and i was celebrated as if i came to visit them, food, drinks, roasted meat and they even asked me to take a cool shower in the house of one member. I can't believe my eyes, it was like a dream!
Ever since then i believe everything Jesus said and whatever the JWs teaches me from the Bible.
I slept over and was given enough cash to continue my journey, one of them offered to take me to the car park with his car four accompanied me and i remembered their little ones, a child was crying when i was leaving all because we sang the hymns to praise our God and as a former singer, the child came sitting by my side, when i was leaving the boy started crying, they have to tell him that i'll soon be back.

Do you think such is possible in any religion on this planet?

Please tell anyone around you that a JW lied to you about what i said and hear them say "don't mind them, they love their members" {John 13:34-35} so you may continue deceiving yourself but the truth can't be hidden! Matthew 5:14-16

I don't know when you where a child. When I was a child, almost every other African nation was at war or ruled by ruthless dictators. When I was a child genocide was being committed in central Africa and eastern Europe. Today central Africa is the most peaceful it has ever been same with eastern Europe, Far east Asia, South and central America.
The world is not yet perfect but it much better than our parents met it.

MaxInDHouse:


Which of the churches today is following Jesus' teachings?

Whoever is not interested in this topic is not a true follower of the man who is called God's son:

However, when they hand you over, do not become anxious about how or what you are to speak, for what you are to speak will be given you in that hour; for the ones speaking are not just you, but it is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you. Matthew 10:19-20

Just know today that they're not Christians!

You love to judge others intention. Not everyone should share your interest. Some are on nairaland for romance, sports, news, business everyone has their own interest. You can't expect everyone to find interest in every topic.
Judge not.

Kobojunkie:
My point is the the mission we are given is to teach, not the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) but God's Law, Jesus Christ, to those who don't know Him and hence don't believe in Him.

Once they are saved, we are not longer to teach them anything since they are not longer unsaved or unbelievers.

---

Most who call themselves today do not in fact know Jesus Christ or the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. What they know are the doctrines and traditions fed them by men and their churches, hence the reason why they remain disconnected from the Teacher,Jesus Christ who is Teacher to all those who in fact belong to Him.

That what I am saying.. as soon as we become Christians, we stop believing the words of the apostles since it's only for the unbelievers. So before you became a Christian, you believed the words of Peter, Paul, James and John but only stopped believing once you became a Christian

Kobojunkie:
My point is the the mission we are given is to teach, not the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) but God's Law, Jesus Christ, to those who don't know Him and hence don't believe in Him.

Once they are saved, we are not longer to teach them anything since they are not longer unsaved or unbelievers.

---

Most who call themselves today do not in fact know Jesus Christ or the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. What they know are the doctrines and traditions fed them by men and their churches, hence the reason why they remain disconnected from the Teacher,Jesus Christ who is Teacher to all those who in fact belong to Him.

That what I am saying.. as soon as we become Christians, we stop believing the words of the apostles since it's only for the unbelievers. So before you became a Christian, you believed the words of Peter, Paul, James and John but only stopped believing once you became a Christian.
Jesus Christ prayed for everyone that would believe the words of his apostles. He never said it was only the non Christian that should believe.
He never said once you are baptized you stop believing or you stop listening.
You assume a lot of things that Jesus never said.
He told Peter feed my sheep. His sheep are his followers. What kind of food was Peter asked to feed them with, the same Jesus fed them in John 10.

AntiChristian:


Christ has no Church!

He didn't create any religion called Christianity!

So no need to look for a correct Church!

But he said I would build my church and the gates of he'll would not prevail against it.

sonmvayina:


Ok..

I would love to compare your sources with other contemporary history. The thing with history is that non of us were born so we only choose which history to believe.

tctrills:

But he said I would build my church and the gates of he'll would not prevail against it.

So what is the name of the Church he built? And where is it?

AntiChristian:


So what is the name of the Church he built? And where is it?

That's what this thread is about.

tctrills:

That's what this thread is about.

Jesus built no physical church in the bible! And even if the Christian Jesus were to come today, he would be confused as to which church is his own!
Maybe that's why Jesus said:
"Not every one who says to me, 'Master, Master,' will enter the Kingdom of the Heavens, but only those who are obedient to my Father who is in Heaven.
Mat 7:21

sonmvayina:

I am not a Muslim, I am not a Christian...I am a human being following Gods laws and statues.
You that believes a woman can become pregnant without the input of a man. Don't you think you need to see a psychiatrist.
You know naturally it is impossible...but you mumuishly believe it. Why?

BELIEVE (TRUST) is not about what everybody can grasp how it works so if it's about what everyone can explain then there's nothing unique to BELIEVE (TRUST) in that because everyone including unintelligent creatures like beasts knows how it works.
Roasters and Lizards do deprive their kinds from mating with their females because they know that it's through mating that the females lay eggs and it's the sperm of the one who mated with the female that will determine the looks of their young ones.
So if that's what you call BELIEVE then what's the difference between you and the animals?

tctrills:

I was really disappointed that you would go the path of racism and I am more surprised that you don't even realize what you did.
Saying useless Nigerians is insulting and if you are not a Nigerian it is racism.
You refered to Jews as useless and terrorist. We don't talk like that in today's world anymore. Imagine a white man say "useless blacks"

Keep deceiving yourself!

I asked you a simple question, why not answer first before looking for what you're going to use as excuse against the truth?

Well there's a difference between the phrase

"Useless blacks" and "blacks are useless"

"Useless blacks" simply means those that are useless among the blacks while "blacks are useless" means there's no useful black.

So humble yourself and learn!

MaxInDHouse:


Keep deceiving yourself!

I asked you a simple question, why not answer first before looking for what you're going to use as excuse against the truth?

Well there's a difference between the phrase

"Useless blacks" and "blacks are useless"

"Useless blacks" simply means those that are useless among the blacks while "blacks are useless" means there's no useful black.

So humble yourself and learn!

If we have to explain to a grown man what racism is, it's a big shame.
The most annoying thing is that you claimed that your organization is the only church that is against racism.
I am sure that there are many fine people in your church that would not use racist language but you just proved that humans are all the same. There are racist and non racist in all churches.
If you like go to any gathering of responsible people and say useless blacks or useless Jews and see if they would clap for you.
You keep telling me to be humble. A humble person would admit his error and repent of it. Don't preach what you never practice.

AntiChristian:


Jesus built no physical church in the bible! And even if the Christian Jesus were to come today, he would be confused as to which church is his own!
Maybe that's why Jesus said:
"Not every one who says to me, 'Master, Master,' will enter the Kingdom of the Heavens, but only those who are obedient to my Father who is in Heaven.
Mat 7:21

That's the point.. how would we identify a group that abides by Jesus teaches today.

tctrills:

You love to judge others intention. Not everyone should share your interest. Some are on nairaland for romance, sports, news, business everyone has their own interest. You can't expect everyone to find interest in every topic.
Judge not.

You love to deceiving yourself!

There thousands of followers on this section so ordinarily giving a Christian an opportunity to establish facts about pure worship is enough to make a believer swing into action.
Moreover there are many who were with us in the other thread, they all ran away as i boldly predicted before now.

So if anyone is not interested in what has to do with pure worship well listen to what God's word says:

Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Malachi 3:16

Of course everyone has what interests them be it Sports, Music, Entertainment, Politics and many more while some are always worried about the state of pure worship.
Therefore let it be known to you that what we are doing here right now will determine whether our names will be found or missing in the book of life! Revelations 20:15

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


You love to deceiving yourself!

There thousands of followers on this section so ordinarily giving a Christian an opportunity to establish facts about pure worship is enough to make a believer swing into action.
Moreover there are many who were with us in the other thread, they all ran away as i boldly predicted before now.

So if anyone is not interested in what has to do with pure worship well listen to what God's word says:

Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Malachi 3:16

Of course everyone has what interests them be it Sports, Music, Entertainment, Politics and many more while some are always worried about the state of pure worship.
Therefore let it be known to you that what we are doing here right now will determine whether our names will be found or missing in the book of life! Revelations 20:15

May you have PEACE!

"Well i know those useless Jews have infected you with their terrorist mindset so you're gradually getting closer to your grave. Just slap someone for saying what his/her religion teaches and you'll never live to tell the story[color=#770077][/color]! "

Your language is in contrast to everything you preach on nairaland. If this kind of language is OK by your religions believes, it's not OK by mine.
I do not know if there are others from your organization on this thread. If there are , I would love to ask if this language is OK by JW stsndards.

tctrills:

If we have to explain to a grown man what racism is, it's a big shame.
The most annoying thing is that you claimed that your organization is the only church that is against racism.
I am sure that there are many fine people in your church that would not use racist language but you just proved that humans are all the same. There are racist and non racist in all churches.
If you like go to any gathering of responsible people and say useless blacks or useless Jews and see if they would clap for you.
You keep telling me to be humble. A humble person would admit his error and repent of it. Don't preach what you never practice.

Continue deceiving yourself!

"Useless blacks" differs from "Blacks are useless"
For your information when someone is sentenced to death it simply means he/she is no more useful in that society. That doesn't mean the entire society where he is brought up is useless.
So stop deceiving yourself.
Any Jew that failed to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah despite everything the scriptures say about the promised Christ is useless from the reason of faith!