samuk:


Tao11 is out of business for now. She has been avoiding my post since my thread on the origin of Oduduwa.

I think it the other way round

samuk:


Incase what I wrote is too much for you to grasp, let me unpack it little by little.

1. Yoruba claimed that Oyo was an empire.

I am saying that outside of this Yoruba claim and few hearsay, there are no independent eyewitnesses to this so called Oyo empire.

2. Apart from the yoruba making this claim, the Europeans who visited Nigeria and West Africa region between 1400s to 1800s never witnessed your so called Oyo empire. All that was ever written by Europeans were hearsay accounts.

3. If Oyo empire existed, it would have been visited by the various Europeans that repeatedly visited Benin between 1400s to 1800s.

4. Benin was one of few Africa/Black civilisation without the influence of the Middle East. Most Africa civilisations are tainted by middle eastern civilisation.

5. Yoruba couldn't even create a fictitious Ife civilisation without importing an Oduduwa from the middle eastern countries of Saudi Arabia or Egypt.

6. Benin was the only black civilisation in the Nigeria space.

7. Oyo wasn't an empire, no one knows about Oyo empire outside of Nigeria, Oyo empire only exists in the imagination of yoruba people.

8. Benin is known and studied worldwide.

Lmao
It must be really frustrating to try to deliver any of these 8 points when everyone except online Bini miscreants know better

Sir Alfred Moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos
1890

gregyboy:


The word oba belongs to the benins

Ogie is a generic word for royalty, the Supreme leader of all royalty(ogie) in benin is called oba,

Just as we have emirs and a sultan, the sultan cant be called an emir
. In the British royalty a Duke cant be called a king it is only meant for one person alone that is distinction,

But only the yorubas in the whole world defy such language structure, because it was during colonization that they accepted the word oba as a generic title for kingship to gain popularity just like the oba of benin and they neglected the title like olu.... Which was the original title for kingship in Yoruba language


This is how far the benin lordship sank in the entire yorubaland the benin kingship in the heart of kwara state omouaran town ...


The word obatala and co were coined by Samuel johson in 1897 to make his frictional books om Yoruba sell to Europeans

Tao11

Omuaran was under Oyo Empire
Even Lokoja was the Area of the Alaafins River Port before the Collapse of Old Oyo

Christistruth00:



Omuaran was under Oyo Empire
Even Lokoja was the Area of the Alaafins River Port before the Collapse of Old Oyo

Story

gregyboy:

Story

Wailer....

samuk:
Oyo empire is just another yoruba lie. Oyo was a little village who was constantly being terrorised by her neighbours, the Alaafin often relied on the Oba of Benin military strength because Oyo paid tributes to Benin.

Where is bini today? Already conquered by Yorubas and Ijaws in their about 4 LGAs. Everything in bini is Yorubas! From their gods to history, nothing is left of Igodomigodo except the ceremonious treaty Yoruba prince to be Oba of bini fulfill during coronation. Go and look for your mate to compete or measure dic.. with in the northern Cross River state or Adamawa. You're one of the smallest group in Nigeria. No one is your mate in the South South; is it Ijaw, Efik-Ibibio, Urobo or Delta north? Not to talk about Igbo or Yoruba. Just hang on to your revisionism if it makes you hard but know one thing and know peace, no Yoruba group, not even the least gives a damn thought about your existence. You only mock yourself when you believe that people in about 177 LGAs and many other countries came or borrowed anything from you. Instead we gave you your ruling house and every meaningful stuff in bini today.

macof:


Lmao
It must be really frustrating to try to deliver any of these 8 points when everyone except online Bini miscreants know better

Abi! Just because Itsekiris and Ilajes led some white men to see Ife prince ruling Igodomigodo, the small remaining Igodomigodo revisionists who live among bini populace won't allow us hear word by mocking themselves in a public online forum everyday with argument that is never logical or sensible.

Just to re-establish the truth, because too much nonsense gets written by tribal biggots on nairaland:

1) ogiso, igodomigodo, oduduwa, orammiyan are fairytales, they were created in littérature by politically motivated revisionists. They belong to the world of the imaginary, not to reality.

2) Benin was an empire and its capital is called Benin city

3) oyo was never an empire, oyo was a small and weak kingdom which got soundly defeated by the fulani.

4) there is no historical relationship between Benin and Ife

5) most of the people who call themselves yoruba today are not actual yoruba, they are either Brazilian slaves, or dahomians, or jebu or oyos (true yoruba) or .... All these groups are unrelated.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714

There was nothing like bini empire instead we had Ife princes' Kingdom of bini. There is difference between bini (ilẹ ibinu) and present Benin. What you have now is hybrid people of different origins. Most early Igodomigodo blood is more pronounced in Italy than Benin now.

Alba3:
There was nothing like bini empire instead we had Ife princes' Kingdom of bini. There is difference between bini (ilẹ ibinu) and present Benin. What you have now is hybrid people of different origins. Most early Igodomigodo blood is more pronounced in Italy than Benin now.

Your emotions won't change reality. And contrary to what you may think, reality does matter. But again you yoruba believe history is whatever your emotions of the moment dictates to you. This is why you never care for facts and logics, you repeat your dogma even when you sight proof of its falseness.

Needless to say, all you said here is mere insult and factless rubbish.

Truthvalue42:


Your emotions won't change reality. And contrary to what you may think, reality does matter. But again you yoruba believe history is whatever your emotions of the moment dictates to you. This is why you never care for facts and logics, you repeat your dogma even when you sight proof of it falseness.

Needless to say, all you said here is mere insult and factless rubbish.

Which fact again when you're dealing with revisionists that are never logical or constructive in their submissions but lies.

I will give you facts if you could explain the background to your culture, your gods, etc. In every thorough research, Ogun, Umole, Olokun (from Itsekiris), aiyelala (from Ilajes), etc are all from Yoruba groups... Which one is bini culture other than witchcraft?

You people like to derail threads that never concerned you; this shows inferiority complex... This is common with you and your siblings to the east who invaded your territory during biafra war.

Alba3:
Which fact again when you're dealing with revisionists that are never logical or constructive in their submissions but lies.

I will give you facts if you could explain the background to your culture, your gods, etc. In every thorough research, Ogun, Umole, Olokun (from Itsekiris), aiyelala (from Ilajes), etc are all from Yoruba groups... Which one is bini culture other than witchcraft?

1)Your head is full with bigotry and lacks what should be there instead: a brain.
2) again, I tell you there is only one yoruba group, it is also called oyo. All the rest are from several unrelated groups who politically agreed to carry the yoruba label.
3) the itsikeri are part of Benin empire
4) I see no reason to indulge your ignorance

Truthvalue42:


1)Your head is full with bigotry and lacks what should be there instead: a brain.
2) again, I tell you there is only one yoruba group, it is also called oyo. All the rest are from several unrelated groups who politically agreed to carry the yoruba label.
3) the itsikeri are part of Benin empire
4) I see no reason to indulge your ignorance

Just reread what you wrote above. It's filled with revisionism.

Moreover, I didn't know I was engaging insultive boy, which probably still in high school! I hope the mod will do the needful.

All I'm trying to tell you, boy Igodomigodo, is that this thread isn't about your small bini kingdom but Yorubas in the North Central. So carry your emotional cries and hang on the neck of your Igodomigodo ancestors that dropped their ogisos, ogie titles for an Oba...

Or am I the one that says your kingdom shouldn't be more than 5 LGAs and Yoruba, Ijaws, Itsekiris, Urhobos, Ikas are even occupying more than half of them.

I give up on you if you can come online and beat your dry chest that Itsekiris are binins. Do you even understand a word of Itsekiri language?

If you can write 1 to 10 in Itsekiri language, I will accord you a response again... I don't really want to do this because I have many members of family that are now binins.

Alba3:


Just reread what you wrote above. It's filled with revisionism.

Moreover, I didn't know I was engaging insultive boy, which probably still in high school! I hope the mod will do the needful.

All I'm trying to tell you, boy Igodomigodo, is that this thread isn't about your small bini kingdom but Yorubas in the North Central. So carry your emotional cries and hang on the neck of your Igodomigodo ancestors that dropped their ogisos, ogie titles for an Oba...

Or am I the one that says your kingdom shouldn't be more than 5 LGAs and Yoruba, Ijaws, Itsekiris, Urhobos, Ikas are even occupying more than half of them.

I give up on you if you can come online and beat your dry chest that Itsekiris are binins. Do you even understand a word of Itsekiri language?

If you can write 1 to 10 in Itsekiri language, I will accord you a response again... I don't really want to do this because I have many members of family that are now binins.

1) show what part of what I said falls into the category of revisionism. (Facts do matter)
2) I guess you are confusing Benin kingdom with Edo state like the usual ignoramus which you are: for your information once again: Benin Kingdom is a precolonial country and the entirety of Edo-state and Delta-state and Lagos and many other parts of land are part of Benin kingdom.
3) Urhobos and itsikeri are my blood brothers, they are my Edo brothers.
4) as for my education: I'm a mathematician and I could clearly teach you whatever subject that exists in this world.
5) you are very uneducated, it is amazing that you can even read.
6) also no part of Edo-state accepted your yoruba political label, so kindly shove that away.

Conclusion : you need some formal education rather than your unending racial diatribing.

Truthvalue42:


1) show what part of what I said falls into the category of revisionism. (Facts do matter)
2) I guess you are confusing Benin kingdom with Edo state like the usual ignoramus which you are: for your information once again: Benin Kingdom is a precolonial country and the entirety of Edo-state and Delta-state and Lagos and many other parts of land are part of Benin kingdom.
3) Urhobos and itsikeri are my blood brothers, they are my Edo brothers.
4) as for my education: I'm a mathematician and I could clearly teach you whatever subject that exists in this world.
5) you are very uneducated, it is amazing that you can even read.
6) also no part of Edo-state accepted your yoruba political label, so kindly shove that away.

Conclusion : you need some formal education rather than your unending racial diatribing.

Why not go to Ughelli, Warri, etc and tell them they are binins, boy Igodomigodo; Afemais and Esans would not even agree to bini tag. When you passed NECO, you may be able to get answers to questions already asked above instead of being insultive just like your fellow revisionists.

Alba3:


Why not go to Ughelli, Warri, etc and tell them they are binins, boy Igodomigodo; Afemais and Esans would not even agree to bini tag. When you passed NECO, you may be able to get answers to questions already asked above instead of being insultive just like your fellow revisionists.

Oba of Benin in Esanland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqF5JhgX0g

Oba of Benin in Warri:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zK2bsZhPIo

Oba of Benin in Afemai land:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyLYcQWFhxo

As I earlier stated, you know nothing you talk about, you just blow hot air based on your female emotions without any recourse to reasoning.
Though, it is not surprising that an outsider wouldn't have a clue, but it shows some lack of common sense when that same outsiders tries to pose as an expert in the subject.

Truthvalue42:


Oba of Benin in Esanland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqF5JhgX0g

Oba of Benin in Warri:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zK2bsZhPIo

Oba of Benin in Afemai land:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyLYcQWFhxo

As I earlier stated, you know nothing you talk about, you just blow hot air based on your female emotions without any recourse to reasoning.
Though, it is not surprising that an outsider wouldn't have a clue, but it shows some lack of common sense when that same outsiders tries to pose as an expert in the subject.

It's funny that I'm even according 'baby revisionist' a response. Keep writing Itsekiris, Urhobos are binins and you don't even understand a word of Itsekiri. Moreover I've never come across Urhoboman or Itsekiriman that says he's Benin. These are lies revisionists tell. Yours seems to be the worst among bini revisionists. I've never seen any of them claiming Itsekiris are bini except Ginua.
You're only on public forum to mock yourself in a thread that never involved the smallest group in the South, bini.

Look, you are clearly a clown. You seem to believe that people should come and justify their identity to you before their identity could be validated.

I have talked to you more than enough, eventhough you have nothing to bring to the conversation except your bigotry, your revisionism and dogmatism. At this point talking to you only means relitigating already settled matters (settled right here on this same page). You need to keep your tiny brain up to speed:

1) precolonial maps show Urhobo and Itsikeri to be Edos
2) Urhobo and Itsikeri traditional stories also claim them to be Edos.

Talking to you feels like talking to a dumb robot.

Also, you need to stop confusing your lack of knowledge with lack of existence of proof. You are extremely ignorant so at least don't make this mistake.

Truthvalue42:
Look, you are clearly a clown. You seem to believe that people should come and justify their identity to you before their identity could be validated.

I have talked to you more than enough, eventhough you have nothing to bring to the conversation except your bigotry, your revisionism and dogmatism. At this point talking to you only means relitigating already settled matters (settled right here on this same page). You need to keep your tiny brain up to speed:

1) precolonial maps show Urhobo and Itsikeri to be Edos
2) Urhobo and Itsikeri traditional stories also claim them to be Edos.

Talking to you feels like talking to a dumb robot.

Also, you need to stop confusing your lack of knowledge with lack of existence of proof. You are extremely ignorant so at least don't make this mistake.

More and more lies in order to proof a point through emotions... That's what makes you the worst 'baby revisionist'.

Instead of writing this mockry jargons above why not provide readers with facts that make Itsekiris Benin's? Let me help you, boy; go Google Itsekiri origin. Only the ruling Ginua came from bini and he was a great groundson of Oranmiyan of Ife not Igodomigodo Ogiso. The Itsekiris people are from Yoruba Ijebus, Ilajes and Ikales... Boy, go school o and stop mocking yourself here.

Alba3:
Which fact again when you're dealing with revisionists that are never logical or constructive in their submissions but lies.

I will give you facts if you could explain the background to your culture, your gods, etc. In every thorough research, Ogun, Umole, Olokun (from Itsekiris), aiyelala (from Ilajes), etc are all from Yoruba groups... Which one is bini culture other than witchcraft?

You people like to derail threads that never concerned you; this shows inferiority complex... This is common with you and your siblings to the east who invaded your territory during biafra war.

1. An ignorant Yoruba thinks Edo are Igbo.
2. An ignorant Igbo thinks Edo are Yoruba.

Alba3:
There was nothing like bini empire instead we had Ife princes' Kingdom of bini. There is difference between bini (ilẹ ibinu) and present Benin. What you have now is hybrid people of different origins. Most early Igodomigodo blood is more pronounced in Italy than Benin now.

Ife is not mentioned anywhere in west Africa history before 1800, yet you want the world to believe Ife gave birth to Benin that entered into west Africa history in the 1400s. Why do some of you guys reason upside down. There is about 400 years of historical gap between Benin and Ife.

After bragging about yoruba greatness, you still shamelessly turn around to claim Benin history and Oba, one would have thought that with so called great monarchs such as the Alaafin, Ooni and over 1000 others, you guys will simply let Benin be, but you guys have stubbornly refused to let go of Benin.

Let say for argument sake that Benin was once part of the yoruba family and they are now saying they are not or were not, the sensible and reasonable thing to do it to let go but you have refused because you know Yoruba will continually be 400 hundred years younger than Benin historically. This is the simple reason you guys have refused to hands off Benin history and Oba.

Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts only dates back to 1824.

Benin eyewitness historical accounts dates back to the 1400s.

Benin is the only Africa empire/kingdom recognised in world history to have built a monument that surpassed any other in the world.

Benin was recognised as a city by the Europeans 400 years before Oyo was accessible to the Europeans.

Yoruba continue to regurgitate the lie that Oba of Benin is yoruba despite the fact that no Oba of Benin in history claimed to be Yoruba, infact, the present and his father before him told the world that they are not yoruba and no Oba of Benin in history was yoruba.

The oba of Benin, the Benin nobility and people have repeatedly told the world that they are not yoruba and never were but some of you still want to believe otherwise.

Yoruba want to extend their paperweight fairytale by incorporating Benin history into Yoruba history to steal our glorious past rather than work hard to create their own world records.

samuk:


Incase what I wrote is too much for you to grasp, let me unpack it little by little.

1. Yoruba claimed that Oyo was an empire.

I am saying that outside of this Yoruba claim and few hearsay, there are no independent eyewitnesses to this so called Oyo empire.

There's just too much inconsistencies in this unprovoked rant of yours.
You just claimed that Oyo was never an empire, when the name "Yoruba" is the biggest testament to that fact.
The Name "Yoruba" is a corruption of the Hausa word "Yerribawa" - a term used to describe people of the Oyo empire.

samuk:


1. An ignorant Yoruba thinks Edo are Igbo.
2. An ignorant Igbo thinks Edo are Yoruba.

Do you know one thing I don't even get time to read the repeated lies and jargons you keep pasting every time. No sane person would bother wasting his time on that as you keep invading every thread that doesn't concerned you with such.

What you revisionists have in common is brain filled with bigotry and insult. You people write lies upon lies and claim it to be fact. You should be ashamed to claim that Itsekiris are binins with your other monikers.

I know it's difficult for you to understand what I wrote there,
'You people like to derail threads that never concerned you; this shows inferiority complex... This is common with you and your siblings to the east who invaded your territory during biafra war'. You're siblings because you do the same thing but they're better than you guys. Better go back to school instead of displaying your foolishness on a public forum.

UltraSphinx:


There's just too much inconsistencies in this unprovoked rant of yours.
You just claimed that Oyo was never an empire, when the name "Yoruba" is the biggest testament to that fact.
The Name "Yoruba" is a corruption of the Hausa word "Yerribawa" - a term used to describe people of the Oyo empire.

You also can see this! More lies! They're revisionists, baby ones at it. Before we normally educate these guys with facts; TAO and many others really did justice to this but guys drag themselves always in the gutters thinking that no one could descend to such level with them. I just chose to kick them in their gutters; they're revisionist and their revisionism changes nothing... Benin remains the smallest kingdom down South with about 5 LGAs while the Oyo they so much like to denigrate in about 4 States in Nigeria and 2 West African countries. Even in Edo, how many people say they are bini?

We're talking about relivancy, they're invading every thread with their smallest Bini ancient story while not Inca, Mali?

This is Ọọni, hope you locate their bini Oba there?

Alba3:


You also can see this! More lies! They're revisionists, baby ones at it. Before we normally educate these guys with facts; TAO and many others really did justice to this but guys drag themselves always in the gutters thinking that no one could descend to such level with them. I just chose to kick them in their gutters; they're revisionist and their revisionism changes nothing... Benin remains the smallest kingdom down South with about 5 LGAs while the Oyo they so much like to denigrate in about 4 States in Nigeria and 2 West African countries. Even in Edo, how many people say they are bini?

We're talking about relivancy, they're invading every thread with their smallest Bini ancient story while not Inca, Mali?

This is Ọọni, hope you locate their bini Oba there?

It doesn't change the simple fact that Ife wasn't mentioned in world history until the 1800s.

It doesn't change the fact that Oyo eyewitness historical accounts began in 1824.

It doesn't change the fact that compared to the Ooni, the Oba of Benin is not a politically appointed position. Oba of Benin is not selected from a pool of contestants.

The oba of Benin is born king the Ooni is not, the Ooni is selected and appointed by politicians from a pool of constants.

The oba of Benin and Ooni are not in the same class, one is a born king, the other is appointed by politicians.

It doesn't change the fact there are no independent eyewitnesses to the so called Oyo empire, the yoruba are the ones that claim Oyo was an empire, this fictitious empire is not known in world history. It's not known outside of Nigeria.

The Benin empire is known worldwide.

Benin greatness was recorded by the Europeans that invented the word greatness.

Benin entered the Guinness book of world records to have built the greatest monument on earth pre mechanical era.

No amount of photographs of the Ooni can change this simple fact.

Yoruba is a modern day political creation.

Benin is ancient.

There is 400 years historical gap between Benin and Oyo.

None of the Europeans that visited west Africa since the 1300s witnessed the so called Oyo empire. We are not going to accept that Oyo was an empire because you made such claim.

Benin is still bigger than what remains of Rome, this doesn't change the face that Rome like Benin was a great empire that influence the world.

When we talk of world empires that created and built world class monuments, Egypt, Rome and Benin are mentioned but Oyo is not on that list.

Amongst Egypt, Rome and Benin, the Benin monument was recognised by guinness book of records as the greatest, consuming 100 times more material than the pyramid of Egypt.

If not for British that lumped everyone together in Nigeria, Benin have no business being discussed alongside any yoruba town historically.

samuk:


It doesn't change the simple fact that Ife wasn't mentioned in world history until the 1800s.

It doesn't change the fact that Oyo eyewitness historical accounts began in 1824.

It doesn't change the fact that compared to the Ooni, the Oba of Benin is not a politically appointed position. Oba of Benin is not selected from a pool of contestants.

The oba of Benin is born king the Ooni is not, the Ooni is selected and appointed by politicians from a pool of constants.

The oba of Benin and Ooni are not in the same class, one is a born king, the other is appointed by politicians.

It doesn't change the fact there are no independent eyewitnesses to the so called Oyo empire, the yoruba are the ones that claim Oyo was an empire, this fictitious empire is not known in world history. It's not known outside of Nigeria.

The Benin empire is known worldwide.

Benin greatness was recorded by the Europeans that invented the word greatness.

Benin entered the Guinness book of world records to have built the greatest monument on earth pre mechanical era.

No amount of photography of the Ooni can change this simple fact.

Yoruba is a modern day political creation.

Benin is ancient.

There is 400 years historical gab between Benin and Oyo.

None of the Europeans that visited west Africa since the 1300s witnessed the so called Oyo empire. We are not going to accept that Oyo was an empire because you made such claim.

Benin is still bigger than what remained of Rome, this doesn't change the face that Rome like Benin was a great empire that influence the world.

When will talk of world empires that created and built world class monuments, Egypt, Rome and Benin are mentioned but Oyo is not on that list.

Amongst Egypt, Rome and Benin, the Benin monument was recognised by guinness book of records as the greatest, consuming 100 times more material than the pyramid in Egypt.

If not for British that lumped everyone together in Nigeria, Benin have no business being discussed alongside any yoruba town historically.

You can rant from now till eternity, I don't read those lies you wrote up, Mr revisionist!

Go create your thread and paste your lies there as usual rather than derailing this. Those that give a damn about your revisionism will reply you there.

UltraSphinx:


There's just too much inconsistencies in this unprovoked rant of yours.
You just claimed that Oyo was never an empire, when the name "Yoruba" is the biggest testament to that fact.
The Name "Yoruba" is a corruption of the Hausa word "Yerribawa" - a term used to describe people of the Oyo empire.

Fighting and being unable to defeat some teenage girls from Dahomey doesn't qualify a village as an empire, does it.

Alba3:


You can rant from now till eternity, I don't read those lies you wrote up, Mr revisionist!

Go create your thread and paste your lies there as usual rather than derailing this. Those that give a damn about your revisionism will reply you there.

Others do read them, I wasn't counting on you and others like you filled with dogma and ignorance of history to read them.

Those that are interested in real history rather than fairytales will read them.

samuk:


Fighting and being unable to defeat some teenage girls from Dahomey doesn't qualify a village as an empire, does it.

Oh!
But capitulating to some rag-tag bands of Portuguese f*ggots - with minimal resistance, is one of the qualities of an empire right?

samuk:


Others do read them, I wasn't counting on you and others like you filled with dogma and ignorance of history to read them.

Those that are interested in real history rather than fairytales will read them.

See Samuk, myself and many others have provided you genuine facts as replies to this your repeated gibberish... As for me I don't have time to read same lies you copy and paste for years, every time you invade others' threads. It proofs nothing but sane people only laugh at you.

You've seen the reason I didn't read your fictitious lies again, ba?