Igboid:


Haha!
I suspect this .
But we need to bring evidence.
Strong irrefutable ones.
The type we brought to that Bonny thread.

We are a Great race, but we have kept quiet for too long, so much that everyone around us have started taking our greatness for granted. Our ancestors achieved alot that we are not being given credit for today.

We have to start telling our stories ourselves.

For example, do you know that the money called "Manilla" used in the slave trade era as money, was invented by the Igbo.

Yet if you go to Wikipedia page, you see that they listed Calabar as the origin of Manilla.

This is because the colonials first saw Manilla at Calabar slave ports being used by Aros and Efiks for exchange of slaves .
And in error, they accredited Calabar with the money.
Even When Efiks are not known as blacksmiths, they have no iron ore minning sites in Efik land, so how could they have invented Manilla.

Moreover even in Efik, Manilla is called Okpoho.
Guess what? Okpoho is the name of Igbo blacksmith town in modern day Ezeagu LGA Enugu State where Manilla was traditionally minted and circulated all over Igboland and beyond.
Okpoho people were like the CBN of Ancient Igboland, minting Okpoho aka "Ego-Igwe".
Manilla is so Ancient to Igboland that it was even found among the materials buried in Igbo ukwu.

We have alot of misinformation about Ndiigbo to correct.

See our cultural heritage been stolen by other tribes. I didn't even know the ego-igwe I hear all the time in my village is manilla


How can we correct this great misinformation?

Igboid:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3335053

I don't have access to this material.
Anyone with access to it should open it, less see what is in it.

Apparently we not only brought superior metallurgy to Yorubas, we brought to Edos as well.
No surprises. You have to get to Edo before you get to Yoruba, if you are coming from Igboland.
And we have Idumoka village in Igueben town in Esan.
This village was founded by Oka blacksmiths and they were responsible for making the Eben and Ada of royal houses in Edo world.

BKkay, Ekerealto, Slayerforever, Eastlink,

I'm salivating at the content of this book.
Please anyone with access should help us.

Are you done reading the full document?

It has raised up other issues o,as to the inhabitants of Aboh before Igbo migration

Crazybeard:

These are conjectures until you drop excerpts from direct Portuguese expenditionists.You know how we do.It's the norm now.

Portuguese met Manilla at Calabar!

Calabar call it Okpogho!
Okpogho is a town in Enugu State.
Okpogho is AA blacksmiths town that minted Okpogho!

Okpogho Manilla were found in Igbo Ukwu excavation that is dated 9th and 10th AD.
The Nri identified all the objects found there including Okpogho.

Connect the dots.

Igboid:


Portuguese met Manilla at Calabar!

Calabar call it Okpogho!
Okpogho is a town in Enugu State.
Okpogho is AA blacksmiths town that minted Okpogho!

Okpogho Manilla were found in Igbo Ukwu excavation that is dated

Connect the dots.

Oga drop receipts, references and all.We don't do conjectures here.

Christistruth00:


The Portuguese don’t eat Fufu or Garri that the Slaves ate it was Yoruba Slaves that brought all that when they returned home from Brazil


Do you know Lafun
Yoruba even use Cassava to make Akara and Moinmoin

Cassava was introduced in 16th century my dear.
Besides, most slaves (more than 50%) of slaves in Brazil are from Angola and Congo
And returned slaves are more pronounced in Liberia and Sierra leone than any other west African country.

Let me educate you, Akara and Moi Moi are made from mashed beans not Cassava.

So what have you Yorubas made out of cassava since 500 years it was introduced to you people?

Ndigbo made Akpụ, Abacha, kokoro etc from it so what have you people made out of it?

Crazybeard:

Oga drop receipts, references and all.We don't do conjectures here.

"The first, called Igbo Isaiah, was uncovered in 1938 by Isaiah Anozie, a local villager, who found the bronze works while digging beside his home. Five bronze artifacts from the original excavation are now in the British Museum's collection. They include a small staff, a head of a ram, a large manilla, an intricately designed crescent-shaped vessel and a small pendant in the shape of a local chief's head with scarification (ichi) marks on the face."

Igboid:



"The first, called Igbo Isaiah, was uncovered in 1938 by Isaiah Anozie, a local villager, who found the bronze works while digging beside his home. Five bronze artifacts from the original excavation are now in the British Museum's collection. They include a small staff, a head of a ram, a large manilla, an intricately designed crescent-shaped vessel and a small pendant in the shape of a local chief's head with scarification (ichi) marks on the face."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo-Ukwu#Archaeological_significance

All over Igboland, we used Manilla before colonial era.
We call it Okpogho, after the town that produces it, or simply "Ego Igwe", meaning metallic money.

Christistruth00:



It was Christianity that Civilised Igboland any Stranger that went beyond Onitsha before then was likely to become Somebody’s dinner

Even in Onitsha it was the Benin Influences that prevented that from happening

And the Christians were irons that they didn't become someone's dinner?

Do you now realise how stupid you sound?

Now from what you said, I believe you've realised why your people were unable to develop anything from cassava for 500 years. It is because you people are mentally handicapped.

Igboid and Bkayy dealing with Yaribas since 1800

BKayy:

So you Yorubas owe your history to returned slaves from Brazil who learnt a little of Portuguese and native Indians ways.
This speaks volumes of our difference in civilisation. But so that you know, Ndigbo have already started civilising Yorubas before slavery started.

damn!!!

mancoconut:
Igboid and Bkayy dealing with Yaribas since 1800

the flogging eeh

engrchykae:
the Aros were the first to use biological weapon against the British.
They created mutant mosquitoes that killed a lot of British fools

In Yorubaland there was a War Strategy that involved luring the enemy fighters into areas infested with Killer Bees and then Shooting at them with a hail of Poisoned Arrows Which tips had been dipped in Snake Venom




Yorubas were bad

Crazybeard:

Oga drop receipts, references and all.We don't do conjectures here.

U are hurt because of the excruciating flogging from that thread well let me ease your pain.

cc igboid.

SlayerForever:




See our cultural heritage been stolen by other tribes. I didn't even know the ego-igwe I hear all the time in my village is manilla


How can we correct this great misinformation?

We correct it by creating awareness and talking about it like we are currently doing, until it becomes common knowledge.

BKayy:

And the Christians were irons that they didn't become someone's dinner?

Do you now realise how stupid you sound?

Now from what you said, I believe you've realised why your people were unable to develop anything from cassava fro 500 years. It is because you people are mentally handicapped.

The Christians had the Traditional rulers Permission and had local escorts

Christistruth00:



The Christians had the Traditional rulers Permission and had local escorts

Hahahahaha. Yoruba people sef.
We are a perfect Republic, Ndigbo don't do traditional rulers.

Just stop looking for ways to justify your stupidity

Igboid:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3335053

I don't have access to this material.
Anyone with access to it should open it, less see what is in it.

Apparently we not only brought superior metallurgy to Yorubas, we brought to Edos as well.
No surprises. You have to get to Edo before you get to Yoruba, if you are coming from Igboland.
And we have Idumoka village in Igueben town in Esan.
This village was founded by Oka blacksmiths and they were responsible for making the Eben and Ada of royal houses in Edo world.

BKkay, Ekerealto, Slayerforever, Eastlink,

I'm salivating at the content of this book.
Please anyone with access should help us.

You guys have been dropping so much knowledge of late, I will join the party a little bit. This book is I think reconfirms their Smithing powers. Were the Awkas, Aros as well? They seem to have similar migratory patterns and smithing prodigy.

It seems there were known in Lagos even by 1900-1910s.

BKayy:

Cassava was introduced in 16th century my dear.
Besides, most slaves (more than 50%) of slaves in Brazil are from Angola and Congo
And returned slaves are more pronounced in Liberia and Sierra leone than any other west African country.

Let me educate you, Akara and Moi Moi are made from mashed beans not Cassava.

So what have you Yorubas made out of cassava since 500 years it was introduced to you people?

Ndigbo made Abacha, kokoro etc from it so what have you people made out of it?

Not in Nigeria

The Brazilian Slaves brought it as part of their diet

Portuguese don’t eat fufu and Eba

Moinmoin and Akara are normally made with Grounded beans but in Yorubaland there is a Cassava version of both

In Oyo and Osun States they have a version that mixes Garri inside Grounded Beans and use it to make Akara and Moinmoin that is very heavy and filling

You asked for other foods Yoruba make with Cassava and I told you

BKayy:

Hahahahaha. Yoruba people sef.
We are a perfect Republic, Ndigbo don't do traditional rulers.

Just stop looking for ways to justify your stupidity

Joined the party late. You are correct. Let me add my 2 pence. Did anyone archive the other Bonny thread one of you created as well? I dug a lil into some of the history books dropped there as well.

BKayy:

I won't call British intrusion into Yoruba land as conquering but saving Yoruba people from wiping themselves out.

When Britain arrived at Yorubaland, they were in the middle of a serious civil war they call "kiriji war', so Britain saved them instead of conquering them.

It was saving not conquering

just as USA saved Europe from Europe.

Christistruth00:


Not in Nigeria

The Brazilian Slaves brought it as part of their diet

Portuguese don’t eat fufu and Eba

Moinmoin and Akara are normally made with Grounded beans but in Yorubaland there is a Cassava version of both

You asked for other foods Yoruba make with Cassava and I told you

I will have to stop you right there. Even till date you Yorubas don't know how to make Garri for swallow and your Garri (most notably Ijebu Garri) can't soak if introduced to water. It floats if you put it after adding water.

This explains the superiority in our creativity. Igbo Garri soaks any how you put it. Igbo owns Yellow Garri. Igbo Garri for swallow is still the best both in nutrients and texture.

Now that's aside, my dear stop fooling yourself moi moi and akara are made from beans, anything made like them that is not from beans will have another name.

In conclusion, You Yorubas couldn't and did not develop anything from cassava after 500 years that it was introduced to you.

Next topic

Vintagepipes:

Joined the party late. You are correct. Let me add my 2 pence. Did anyone archive the other Bonny thread one of you created as well? I dug a lil into some of the history books dropped there as well.

Thanks.
Your shot confirms what I've been telling them since.
Ancient Igboland prior to European influence was the hallmark of democracy where power was reduced to the lowest form. A feat USA is still trying to achieve.

Now all we need to do, is to embrace, modernise it to our contemporary taste and cherish it.

Igboid:


Haha!
I suspect this .
But we need to bring evidence.
Strong irrefutable ones.
The type we brought to that Bonny thread.

We are a Great race, but we have kept quiet for too long, so much that everyone around us have started taking our greatness for granted. Our ancestors achieved alot that we are not being given credit for today.

We have to start telling our stories ourselves.

For example, do you know that the money called "Manilla" used in the slave trade era as money, was invented by the Igbo.

Yet if you go to Wikipedia page, you see that they listed Calabar as the origin of Manilla.

This is because the colonials first saw Manilla at Calabar slave ports being used by Aros and Efiks for exchange of slaves .
And in error, they accredited Calabar with the money.
Even When Efiks are not known as blacksmiths, they have no iron ore minning sites in Efik land, so how could they have invented Manilla.

Moreover even in Efik, Manilla is called Okpoho.
Guess what? Okpoho is the name of Igbo blacksmith town in modern day Ezeagu LGA Enugu State where Manilla was traditionally minted and circulated all over Igboland and beyond.
Okpoho people were like the CBN of Ancient Igboland, minting Okpoho aka "Ego-Igwe".
Manilla is so Ancient to Igboland that it was even found among the materials buried in Igbo ukwu.

We have alot of misinformation about Ndiigbo to correct.

The sword posted on the Bonny thread that was credited to the Igbos (Aros) by Barbot looks very much like the Ada and Eben, or at least, one of them. If the first Ada and Eben (shown in the Benin Bronze) are older than that specimen, then, of course, the evidence is not enough to support that theory.

Vintagepipes:

Joined the party late. You are correct. Let me add my 2 pence. Did anyone archive the other Bonny thread one of you created as well? I dug a lil into some of the history books dropped there as well.

Good one.
Nwanne which book is this?

Igboid:


Good one.
Nwanne which book is this?

The Ibo and Ibibio-speaking peoples of south-eastern Nigeria
by Forde, Cyril Daryll, 1902-
Published 1950

Vintagepipes:


The Ibo and Ibibio-speaking peoples of south-eastern Nigeria
by Forde, Cyril Daryll, 1902-
Published 1950

Thanks.

Vintagepipes:


The Ibo and Ibibio-speaking peoples of south-eastern Nigeria
by Forde, Cyril Daryll, 1902-
Published 1950

Good one.
Thanks.
See another quote on Igbo democratic principles:


"True democrats, no one was better than themselves but yet they were somehow better than anyone else. This self-assurance was sometimes a little frightening. The Ibo men and women are so continually in the right and so busy proving that everyone else is in the wrong. They want to learn from us but only such things as may be materially productive as soon as possible. They tolerate us because they need us. They do not look upon us resentfully as conquerors but complacently as stepping-stones. What will happen when they can, or think they can mount it alone and no further use of the stepping-stones, no one can tell."
.
AFRICAN WOMEN: A Study of the Ibo of Nigeria, Sylvia Leith-Ross, page 357, published 1939
I made a thread on it.
Unfortunately it didn't attract much audience:https://www.nairaland.com/6478681/igbo-true-democrats-africa

BKayy:

Hahahahaha. Yoruba people sef.
We are a perfect Republic, Ndigbo don't do traditional rulers.

Just stop looking for ways to justify your stupidity

,
At least you now Agree that the Obi of Onitsha is a Benin Man and Onitsha belongs to Oduduwa same with Nnewi too

Wow
So the Ada and Eben were made my Awka blacksmiths...


Nothing you guys won't lie about

Igboid:


Good one.
Thanks.
See another quote on Igbo democratic principles:


"True democrats, no one was better than themselves but yet they were somehow better than anyone else. This self-assurance was sometimes a little frightening. The Ibo men and women are so continually in the right and so busy proving that everyone else is in the wrong. They want to learn from us but only such things as may be materially productive as soon as possible. They tolerate us because they need us. They do not look upon us resentfully as conquerors but complacently as stepping-stones. What will happen when they can, or think they can mount it alone and no further use of the stepping-stones, no one can tell."
.
AFRICAN WOMEN: A Study of the Ibo of Nigeria, Sylvia Leith-Ross, page 357, published 1939
I made a thread on it.
Unfortunately it didn't attract much audience:https://www.nairaland.com/6478681/igbo-true-democrats-africa

What a beautiful quote!

Perhaps, a lil' controversial headline and/or also the section where it was posted could affect the visibility. If posted anywhere other than the politics section, I reckon, fewer people might randomly stumble upon it.

You are just all wailing for nothing. This doesn't diminish the civilization of other African grouos nor does it make the Igbo superior. That the Oka men forayed into Yorubaland and brought the improvement of using screws instead of nails for gun assembly doesn't mean they taught the Yorubas metal working.

The Nupes were already great metal workers and their influences cuts across the central part of Nigeria. Ottoman gun trading even came as far as Oyo empire. The Oyo calvary numbered over a thousand horses and they were all armed with Turkish muskets and local guns made by their blacksmiths.

There's a lot to be learnt from history, but rather than learn and make the most of the information it avails, you puffed-up ethno-rascals are running daft all over the place trying to place your d*cks beside other to prove that yours is longer or you taught them how to use their own d*cks

Make una go rest una senseless brains

The day you guys learn to be circumspect and reason in maturity, maybe the rest of Nigeria will start taking you seriously. You get too loud unnecessarily and try to denigrate others for your empty babblings.
This is why Ralph Uwazuruike and Nnamdi Kanu still remain local champions till date.

With all the evidence available that Benin bronze works were greatly influenced by that of Yoruba bronze workers, I'm not sure that a Yoruba dude would make a senseless boast about having made Benin Kingdom what it is or that the Yorubas brought civilization to Benin.

Grow up guys.