Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Christianity teaches that God gives eternal life to all those who trust in Jesus because Jesus paid the price.

All other religions teaches that man has to work for the salvation through good works, right moral living, penance, paying off karma through reincarnation etc

Christians rest on christ and his finished work on the cross while in religions of The world people are always working they never rest.

Christians has the full assurance of their salvation while practioners of religions are never sure.



All major religions are trying to work towards righteousness or at least close to it or to maintain a balance but a Christian received a superior righteousness, yes the righteousness of God himself through christ.

Forgiveness of sin in other religions is through either rituals performing good works or making a pledge not to do it which of cause they keep committing. But in for a Christian the blood of Jesus offered everlasting forgiveness.

The gift of the holy spirit, while other religion depend on human strength, Christianity depend on the holy spirit for spiritual growth.

In Christianity the messiah is the foundation, he is a historical figure, his life is attested to be perfect no single blame, so the foundation of Christianity is one of an impeccable character which means he is trust worthy and his word is true.
It is not so with the religions of the world as their founders are all corrupt men and women which cannot be trusted.

In Christianity real change is the work of God (Born again) but in religion people try to change themselves.

Christianity upholds the holiness of God, his righteousness, his goodness and love but exposes the sinfulness of man through his inability to live a sinless life. In Christianity God is so holy that he accepts nothing else apart from perfection, he is righteous to retribute to man his own ways,
However man is unable to live sinless and must face retribution for his sins but he provided a way out through his own goodness and love for there to be a replacement.

Steep:


Forgiveness of sin in other religions is through either rituals performing good works or making a pledge not to do it which of cause they keep committing. But in for a Christian the blood of Jesus offered everlasting forgiveness.

Then continue sinning because Jesus Jesus died for your sins since you have everlasting forgiveness

what is the meaning of repentance?

Luke 13
2 And He replied by saying to them, Do you think that these Galileans were greater sinners than all the other Galileans because they have suffered in this way?

3 I tell you, No; but unless you repent ([a]change your mind for the better and heartily amend your ways, with abhorrence of your past sins), you will all likewise perish and be lost [b]eternally.




Show us the verse where Jesus said that he offered Everlasting forgiveness of sin?

haekymbahd:
Then continue sinning because Jesus Jesus died for your sins since you have everlasting forgiveness

your question sounds like " why dont you return to poverty since your father gave you his riches "
Why should a believer in Jesus continue in sin when he has being given God's righteousness?

what is the meaning of repentance?

repentance simply means a change of heart towards or from an action, situation, thoughts or ways.

Luke 13
2 And He replied by saying to them, Do you think that these Galileans were greater sinners than all the other Galileans because they have suffered in this way?

3 I tell you, No; but unless you repent ([a]change your mind for the better and heartily amend your ways, with abhorrence of your past sins), you will all likewise perish and be lost [b]eternally.

It is the repentance that lead to faith in Jesus.
It is only through faith in Jesus can man's sinful state be changed.

Luke 11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

It is only when one recognize he has sinned and that he is a sinner worthy of death and his only hope is from Jesus can one come into faith in christ.

Show us the verse where Jesus said that he offered Everlasting forgiveness of sin?

Basically, all that you know about Jesus was written by his apostles meaning it is from the witness of his apostles you come to know Jesus words.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

To have everlasting life and never perish one must have everlasting forgiveness.

Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Steep:
your question sounds like " why dont you return to poverty since your father gave you his riches "
Why should a believer in Jesus continue in sin when he has being given God's righteousness?

Can christians sin or not?

what happens to a devouted christian who backslides and commit sins (major or minor sins) and couldn't repent and ask for forgiveness before dieing while still being a beleiver of Jesus.


Is Everlasting forgiveness going to work for such person? if no, then how does everlasting forgiveness work.


Luke 11

2 And He said to them, When you pray, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come. Your will be done [held holy and revered] on earth as it is in heaven.

3 Give us daily our bread [[a]food for the morrow].

4 And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us [who has offended us or done us wrong]. And bring us not into temptation but rescue us from evil.



Why is Jesus telling you to ask for forgiveness of sin since he died for your sin.

haekymbahd:
Can christians sin or not?

what happens to a devouted christian who backslides and commit sins (major or minor sins) and couldn't repent and ask for forgiveness before dieing while still being a beleiver of Jesus.

Yes a Christian can sin but he is no longer living in sin.
He is still saved because as long as he continue in the faith of Jesus he is washed with Jesus blood.

Is Everlasting forgiveness going to work for such person? if no, then how does everlasting forgiveness work.

yes It works for him.
Everlasting forgiveness means the blood of Jesus is ready to cleanse him from all sins 24/7 unlimited and all his past sins are already forgiven him.

Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
In Christianity salvation is based of faith in Jesus.
Everlasting forgiveness means there is forgiveness of sins in christ no matter any level of sin one has committed.

Luke 11

2 And He said to them, When you pray, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come. Your will be done [held holy and revered] on earth as it is in heaven.

3 Give us daily our bread [[a]food for the morrow].

4 And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us [who has offended us or done us wrong]. And bring us not into temptation but rescue us from evil.



Why is Jesus telling you to ask for forgiveness of sin since he died for your sin.

1. When Jesus taught that prayer he has not died for sins so to be forgiven one has to forgive his neighbor first but after Christ died and resurrected we are forgiven and then we forgive others afterwards.

2.sins have negative impact both physically and spiritually.

3. Confession of sins after salvation is for spiritual restoration which can lead to physical restoration as well. To be spiritually restored is very important because only then can we freely relate with God.

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All major religions are trying to work towards righteousness or at least close to it or to maintain a balance but a Christian received a superior righteousness, yes the righteousness of God himself through christ.



Forgiveness of sin in other religions is through either rituals performing good works or making a pledge not to do it which of cause they keep committing. But in for a Christian the blood of Jesus offered everlasting forgiveness.
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Seems rather convenient doesn't it?
What ever happened to the philosophy of bearing your own cross?


You forget that other world religions don't believe in an original sin and the inheritance of sin, therefore their deity(ies) didn't require an ultimate blood sacrifice to be able forgive sins.

Let me give you a little bit of perspective, in Islam, Man is not perfect and sinless, and Allah(God) the creator has full knowledge of this, what he requires of you is to try your best to live virtueslly and obey him, and if you sin it's fine considering you repent from it. Considering a Muslim believes Allah is the most merciful and Just, not just simply a cosmic dictator, he/she/it is capable of understanding the struggle they embedded in man, and through their Mercy grant one forgiveness and paradise. As no one makes heaven, except by God's Mercy.
[A more individual understanding and interpretation I developed and held for a time, and not necessarily part of the dogmatic versions of Islam]

In Christianity the messiah is the foundation, he is a historical figure, his life is attested to be perfect no single blame, so the foundation of Christianity is one of an impeccable character which means he is trust worthy and his word is true.

It is not so with the religions of the world as their founders are all corrupt men and women which cannot be trusted.

Really all?
Do you think Christ lived a more perfect life than Gautama Buddha?

IMAliyu:

Seems rather convenient doesn't it?
What ever happened to the philosophy of bearing your own cross?


You forget that other world religions don't believe in an original sin and the inheritance of sin, therefore their deity(ies) didn't require an ultimate blood sacrifice to be able forgive sins.

Let me give you a little bit of perspective, in Islam, Man is not perfect and sinless, and Allah(God) the creator has full knowledge of this, what he requires of you is to try your best to live virtueslly and obey him, and if you sin it's fine considering you repent from it. Considering a Muslim believes Allah is the most merciful and Just, not just simply a cosmic dictator, he/she/it is capable of understanding the struggle they embedded in man, and through their Mercy grant one forgiveness and paradise. As no one makes heaven, except by God's Mercy.
[A more individual understanding and interpretation I developed and held for a time, and not necessarily part of the dogmatic versions of Islam]


Really all?
Do you think Christ lived a more perfect life than Gautama Buddha?

Jesus is still different from all of them. Jesus was from heaven, he was conscious of that. He is going to judge all human, all prophets inclusive.
Others taught philosophy, he taught life transforming principles.

So he is not only perfect, he is a perfection giver. He is not in the class of Gautama Buddha, Confucius, mohammed and all

Jesus is Lord,
Hallelujah

MightySparrow:


Jesus is still different from all of them. Jesus was from heaven, he was conscious of that. He is going to judge all human, all prophets inclusive.
Others taught philosophy, he taught life transforming principles.

So he is not only perfect, he is a perfection giver. He is not in the class of Gautama Buddha, Confucius, mohammed and all

Jesus is Lord,
Hallelujah

He was enlightened and taught people the best way to live in the context of the belief system of the society at the time. Buddha did the same.
So, what in his teachings are different?

What are these principals?

"He is the perfection giver" you saying Christians are perfect?

IMAliyu:


He was enlightened and taught people the best way to live in the context of the belief system of the society at the time. Buddha did the same.
So, what in his teachings are different?

What are these principals?

"He is the perfection giver" you saying Christians are perfect?

Not all true. Jesus didn't only teach, he told us accurately the programme of events here and hereafter. He promised to come back to take his own to where he has gone to prepare. No other enlightened minds did this. Jesus died and rose to demonstrate that what he promised, he would do. Others are mere bones if there is any remaining in there graves

MightySparrow:


Not all true. Jesus didn't only teach, he told us accurately the programme of events here and hereafter. He promised to come back to take his own to where he has gone to prepare. No other enlightened minds did this. Jesus died and rose to demonstrate that what he promised, he would do. Others are mere bones if there is any remaining in there graves

so who is sending Jesus abi he is comming on his own..

Mathew 24

36 But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.


Is the Father also in the grave or can he even sleep nor slumber..

haekymbahd:
so who is sending Jesus abi he is comming on his own..

Mathew 24

36 But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.


Is the Father also in the grave or can he even sleep nor slumber..

Like you are just waking from hangover. I don't see correction with earlier posts

I see no religion named Christianity and Judaism in the Bible.

Islam is the name of the religion of the Muslims, a religion ordained by Allah to all his Prophets and messengers.

Christians believe humans inherit sins from Adam whereas Islamically Adam will only account for himself and whoever he was in charge of.

Allah needs no son, partners, wife or helpers in his dominion! No death or blood is needed to save humans. No need for God to divide himself in three person's trinity to function!

Allah is one and just one!

AntiChristian:

I see no religion named Christianity and Judaism in the Bible.Islam is the name of the religion of the Muslims, a religion ordained by Allah to all his Prophets and messengers.

This is exactly what any religionist who wants to put his beliefs ahead of all others will say so you're welcome to the grove!

AntiChristian:

Christians believe humans inherit sins from Adam whereas Islamically Adam will only account for himself and whoever he was in charge of.

That is what the Bible says God created humans to continue living on this planet forever so it's due to Adamic sin that we are growing old, getting sick and dying. Perhaps your religion can answer these three important questions:
[1]Where did God created Adam and Eve?
[2]How long did God purposed they live?
[3]Where are they now?
If your religion can answer these three questions reasonably then we can compare what you said to what the Bible says to know which one is logical.

AntiChristian:

Allah needs no son, partners, wife or helpers in his dominion! No death or blood is needed to save humans. No need for God to divide himself in three person's trinity to function!
Allah is one and just one!

The Bible says God has many spirit sons, he made them His coworkers in doing other things just as humans has worked with him to make electricity, telecommunication and many others things God didn't do in the beginning so we believe that both angels and humans are coworkers with God in making things better that's why He referred to us as creatures made in His own image! Genesis 1:26-28
Surely He is the Almighty God and not a part of any TRINITY, He is the God who knows that intelligent beings like you and i are happier when they're employed to partake in building things that will beautify, makes life easier and better. That's why you and i are part of His team increasing life here by bearing children and training them to become like ourselves!

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Seems rather convenient doesn't it?
What ever happened to the philosophy of bearing your own cross?

can you bear your cross?

You forget that other world religions don't believe in an original sin and the inheritance of sin, therefore their deity(ies) didn't require an ultimate blood sacrifice to be able forgive sins.

other religion cannot explain the origin of sin, Why humans are pulled toward sin.
Only in Christianity do you get the answers.
The wages of sin is death, death is the highest price for sin and so only by dying can sin be paid,other payment are not sufficient.

Let me give you a little bit of perspective, in Islam, Man is not perfect and sinless, and Allah(God) the creator has full knowledge of this, what he requires of you is to try your best to live virtueslly and obey him, and if you sin it's fine considering you repent from it. Considering a Muslim believes Allah is the most merciful and Just, not just simply a cosmic dictator, he/she/it is capable of understanding the struggle they embedded in man, and through their Mercy grant one forgiveness and paradise. As no one makes heaven, except by God's Mercy.
[A more individual understanding and interpretation I developed and held for a time, and not necessarily part of the dogmatic versions of Islam]

you have contradicted yourself here. If you can bear your cross then why do you need Allah's mercy? Allah is not just if the price of sin is not paid. In Christianity God is just and cannot lie or be unjust hence the price of sin must be paid

Really all?
Do you think Christ lived a more perfect life than Gautama Buddha?

Was Budda born without a human father? Did angel Gabriel announced his birth?
In history there were only two people born without human father Adam and Jesus and both were called sons of God.
Both were perfect but however Adam didn't retain his perfection because he didn't continue to obey God but Jesus retained his perfection that even when he died he rose up again and was taken to heaven but Adam died and returned to the earth.

The Lord Yeshua, the CHRIST - the Word of GOD, GOD the SON - the LOGOS - is the only Way to escape damnation!

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" - John 3:16

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

MightySparrow:


Not all true. Jesus didn't only teach, he told us accurately the programme of events here and hereafter. He promised to come back to take his own to where he has gone to prepare. No other enlightened minds did this. Jesus died and rose to demonstrate that what he promised, he would do. Others are mere bones if there is any remaining in there graves

Seems you lack an understanding of other faiths, as the followers of such faiths would make sense of their own beliefs.
Let me just stick to Buddhism to explain this concept, when Gautama attained his enlightenment, he did so while meditating under a tree in his pursuit of truth, where he encountered worldly temptations from demons and men, but persevered and suddenly he could see the earth and himself He saw that he had died many times before and that he had been reborn each time. He saw all his past lives, saw all the things he had done in his lives the good as well as the bad, and came to the realization, which forms the core tenets of Buddhism. That people are reincarnated when they desire things. In specific the bad things they do in their former lives cause them to come back to earth in a new life, as if to correct them, that life is suffering, and the only way to break the cycle of rebirth and death and end the suffering is to detach one's self from worldly desire to attain Nirvana (perfect heaven), freeing one's soul.
When Gautama attained enlightenment, he too saw truth of the world and what comes next, and chose to teach the world the solutions.


As time distorts information. The lack of a remains of Christ (or so Christians claim), just presents a doubt if he ever walked the earth. Like how would we recognize his remains if we saw it to conclude that it's his or not. The absence of something is a confusing thing to use as proof.
And there exists a lack of corroborative account of such an event, as his resurrection (only his followers seemed to had witnessed it). So there is no way to discount insider bias on your parts (as Christians).

[s]

Steep:
Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Christianity teaches that God gives eternal life to all those who trust in Jesus because Jesus paid the price.

All other religions teaches that man has to work for the salvation through good works, right moral living, penance, paying off karma through reincarnation etc

Christians rest on christ and his finished work on the cross while in religions of The world people are always working they never rest.

Christians has the full assurance of their salvation while practioners of religions are never sure.



All major religions are trying to work towards righteousness or at least close to it or to maintain a balance but a Christian received a superior righteousness, yes the righteousness of God himself through christ.

Forgiveness of sin in other religions is through either rituals performing good works or making a pledge not to do it which of cause they keep committing. But in for a Christian the blood of Jesus offered everlasting forgiveness.

The gift of the holy spirit, while other religion depend on human strength, Christianity depend on the holy spirit for spiritual growth.

In Christianity the messiah is the foundation, he is a historical figure, his life is attested to be perfect no single blame, so the foundation of Christianity is one of an impeccable character which means he is trust worthy and his word is true.
It is not so with the religions of the world as their founders are all corrupt men and women which cannot be trusted.

In Christianity real change is the work of God (Born again) but in religion people try to change themselves.

Christianity upholds the holiness of God, his righteousness, his goodness and love but exposes the sinfulness of man through his inability to live a sinless life. In Christianity God is so holy that he accepts nothing else apart from perfection, he is righteous to retribute to man his own ways,
However man is unable to live sinless and must face retribution for his sins but he provided a way out through his own goodness and love for there to be a replacement.

[/s]All religions including Christianity are organized scams

Steep:

can you bear your cross?

Bear your own cross, as in the Orthodox Christan idea of carrying the Cross to partake in Christ’s suffering.
To give up sinning and worldly desire, in the name of Christ, rather than being lazy and simply benefiting only in his sacrifice for salvation.

This is in response to your statement "Christians rest on christ and his finished work on the cross while in religions of The world people are always working they never rest."

So what stops you from living a hedonistic lifestyle, and simply relaying on your faith in him for salvation in the hereafter?

I don't believe in the Christian concepts, but if you mean, "To deal with your burdens and problems" then, yes I do. But at the end of day we come into this world alone, and we die alone.

other religion cannot explain the origin of sin, Why humans are pulled toward sin.
Only in Christianity do you get the answers.
The wages of sin is death, death is the highest price for sin and so only by dying can sin be paid,other payment are not sufficient.

Have you studied other religions?
With the Islam I used as a reference earlier, everything is from Allah/God, the good and bad, life and death, and sin is just a consequence of the limitations and freewill given to man and jinn. So you may reason that God himself created sin, or at least allowed for it to exist.

you have contradicted yourself here. If you can bear your cross then why do you need Allah's mercy? Allah is not just if the price of sin is not paid. In Christianity God is just and cannot lie or be unjust hence the price of sin must be paid

If the price of every sin must be paid, then God is not merciful either. God/Allah in the context I described earlier is not a robot or autistic, They have full understanding of those they judge and can decide when their Mercy or Justness should triumph.
As an example is there is this tale we where told as kids about a prostitute that once saw a dog dying of thirst, she used one of her shoes to fetch water for the dying dog to drink. When she later died, she was welcomed to heaven, and was made to know that, that single act of genuine kindness to the animal was what earned her the mercy of God, and that all her previous sins were forgiven because of it.
This is the type of God I was describing.

Was Budda born without a human father? Did angel Gabriel announced his birth?

Nope, but the stories say that before his birth, his mother, the queen of a small Indian kingdom, had a dream.

A beautiful white elephant offered the queen a lotus flower, and then, entered the side of her body. When sages were asked to interpret the dream, they predicted the queen would give birth to a son destined to become either a great ruler or a holy man.

One day, they said, he would either conquer the world, or become an enlightened being the Buddha.

In history there were only two people born without human father Adam and Jesus and both were called sons of God.
Both were perfect but however Adam didn't retain his perfection because he didn't continue to obey God but Jesus retained his perfection that even when he died he rose up again and was taken to heaven but Adam died and returned to the earth.

According to the Abrahamic beliefs that is, I really wouldn't call it history. Apart from the religions that claim an Abrahamic lineage. The rest don't share Adam as the first man, or the story surrounding the creation of the first man, and neither is Jesus the first man to have (a) God as his father, when you step outside Christianity. Muslims believe Jesus had never tasted death (didn't die on the cross), and will return with his second coming to live a mortal life and die, be buried as a man, as death is the promise to all life.

IMAliyu:

Seems you lack an understanding of other faiths, as the followers of such faiths would make sense of their own beliefs.
Let me just stick to Buddhism to explain this concept, when Gautama attained his enlightenment, he did so while meditating under a tree in his pursuit of truth, where he encountered worldly temptations from demons and men, but persevered and suddenly he could see the earth and himself He saw that he had died many times before and that he had been reborn each time. He saw all his past lives, saw all the things he had done in his lives the good as well as the bad, and came to the realization, which forms the core tenets of Buddhism. That people are reincarnated when they desire things. In specific the bad things they do in their former lives cause them to come back to earth in a new life, as if to correct them, that life is suffering, and the only way to break the cycle of rebirth and death and end the suffering is to detach one's self from worldly desire to attain Nirvana (perfect heaven), freeing one's soul.
When Gautama attained enlightenment, he too saw truth of the world and what comes next, and chose to teach the world the solutions.


As time distorts information. The lack of a remains of Christ (or so Christians claim), just presents a doubt if he ever walked the earth. Like how would we recognize his remains if we saw it to conclude that it's his or not. The absence of something is a confusing thing to use as proof.
And there exists a lack of corroborative account of such an event, as his resurrection (only his followers seemed to had witnessed it). So there is no way to discount insider bias on your parts (as Christians).

1. As a follower of Buddha what fraction of his experience you had to share with us?

2. What is the evidence that he walked the Earth?

3. Jesus is alive! He is still seen today, in dreams and visions. He still communicates as he did to Paul all over the world. Some unbelievers have seen him and thereby converted.

4. Jesus is a class of His own.
Jesus is Lord!

AntiChristian:
I see no religion named Christianity and Judaism in the Bible.

Islam is the name of the religion of the Muslims, a religion ordained by Allah to all his Prophets and messengers.

Christians believe humans inherit sins from Adam whereas Islamically Adam will only account for himself and whoever he was in charge of.

Allah needs no son, partners, wife or helpers in his dominion! No death or blood is needed to save humans. No need for God to divide himself in three person's trinity to function!

Allah is one and just one!

Allah is one, yet he keeps referring to himself as 'we'

author=IMAliyu post=108249377]
Bear your own cross, as in the Orthodox Christan idea of carrying the Cross to partake in Christ’s suffering.
To give up sinning and worldly desire, in the name of Christ, rather than being lazy and simply benefiting only in his sacrifice for salvation.

partaking in christ suffering not paying for my sin they are not the same.

This is in response to your statement "Christians rest on christ and his finished work on the cross while in religions of The world people are always working they never rest."

So what stops you from living a hedonistic lifestyle, and simply relaying on your faith in him for salvation in the hereafter?

what do you mean by hedonistic lifestyle? Freedom is strange to a man whose mind has being enslaved.

Yep that is what Christians do, we have rested, christ has paid it all.

I don't believe in the Christian concepts, but if you mean, "To deal with your burdens and problems" then, yes I do. But at the end of day we come into this world alone, and we die alone.

why do you seek Allah's mercy if you can carry your cross?

Have you studied other religions?
With the Islam I used as a reference earlier, everything is from Allah/God, the good and bad, life and death, and sin is just a consequence of the limitations and freewill given to man and jinn. So you may reason that God himself created sin, or at least allowed for it to exist.

If God allows sin to exist, he must have a plan to remove it.
Sin is just a free will problem it is a nature.
No man can be perfect, why? This is not a free will issue but the nature of man

If the price of every sin must be paid, then God is not merciful either. God/Allah in the context I described earlier is not a robot or autistic, They have full understanding of those they judge and can decide when their Mercy or Justice should triumph.

Justice and mercy are two different thing, justice is giving you what you deserve mercy. If the price of sin is not paid then God cannot be said to be righteous, a judge that did not meet out the judgment due to a crime is not a righteous judge.
God is righteous and just for he gives you what you deserve.

Then again God is merciful because he devise a way to settle your sin debt so that you can be free but you chose to either accept it or reject it.

As an example is there is this tale we where told as kids about a prostitute that once saw a dog dying of thirst, she used one of her shoes to fetch water for the dying dog to drink. When she later died, she was welcomed to heaven, and was made to know that, that single act of genuine kindness to the animal was what earned her the mercy of God, and that all her previous sins were forgiven because of it.
This is the type of God I was describing.

All human being has done one good or the other in their lives so everybody sins should be forgiven automatically and sins forgiven. The problem with this type of God is that it is unjust. Even in human justice system doing something good does not cancel out the punishment of sin.

Nope, but the stories say that before his birth, his mother, the queen of a small Indian kingdom, had a dream.

A beautiful white elephant offered the queen a lotus flower, and then, entered the side of her body. When sages were asked to interpret the dream, they predicted the queen would give birth to a son destined to become either a great ruler or a holy man.

One day, they said, he would either conquer the world, or become an enlightened being the Buddha.


According to the Abrahamic beliefs that is, I really wouldn't call it history. Apart from the religions that claim an Abrahamic lineage. The rest don't share Adam as the first man, or the story surrounding the creation of the first man, and neither is Jesus the first man to have (a) God as his father, when you step outside Christianity. Muslims believe Jesus had never tasted death (didn't die on the cross), and will return with his second coming to live a mortal life and die, be buried as a man, as death is the promise to all life.

[/quote] Buddha fall flat when it comes to the issue of righteousness, buddah was merely seeking for freedom through elightment, if he was perfect he would not be seeking for freedom.
Have you even heard of Jesus seeking for elightment or freedom? Rather Jesus himself said he gives freedom to all who believes in him, Jesus gives eternal life to his followers, but buddah even warn his followers to seek their own path he was as confused as every one else.
Mohammed himself said he is not sure of where he is going after death.


because all have sinned including Buddha, Mohammed etc only Jesus is righteous even the Koran cannot fault Jesus.
Jesus stands out

Walahi talahi you're a wicked SOUL fah!
You talk all these for mouth because you wan support Jesus ko?
Haba! Haba!!
This one tiri much fah!

Steep:
Buddha fall flat when it comes to the issue of righteousness, buddah was merely seeking for freedom through elightment, if he was perfect he would not be seeking for freedom.
Have you even heard of Jesus seeking for elightment or freedom? Rather Jesus himself said he gives freedom to all who believes in him, Jesus gives eternal life to his followers, but buddah even warn his followers to seek their own path he was as confused as every one else.
Mohammed himself said he is not sure of where he is going after death.
because all have sinned including Buddha, Mohammed etc only Jesus is righteous even the Koran cannot fault Jesus.
Jesus stands out

Steep:


because all have sinned including Buddha, Mohammed etc only Jesus is righteous even the Koran cannot fault Jesus.
Jesus stands out

Why is it so hard for you to listen to Jesus

Mathew 19

17 And He said to him, Why do you call me perfectly and essentially good? There is only One Who is good [perfectly and essentially]--God . If you would enter into the Life, you must continually keep the commandments .

18 He said to Him, What [d]sort of commandments? [Or, which ones?] And Jesus answered, You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,(D)

19 Honor your father and your mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself.




Why do you call Jesus Good?

Steep:

Allah is one, yet he keeps referring to himself as 'we'

I think you should read more "Royal we" or the "Majestic we"!

Allah says He is one not two or three!

Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allah, (the) One.
Qur'an 112: 1.

And your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (God - Allah), La ilaha illa Huwa (there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He), the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Qur'an 2:163

haekymbahd:
Why is it so hard for you to listen to Jesus

Mathew 19

17 And He said to him, Why do you call me perfectly and essentially good? There is only One Who is good [perfectly and essentially]--God . If you would enter into the Life, you must continually keep the commandments .

18 He said to Him, What [d]sort of commandments? [Or, which ones?] And Jesus answered, You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,(D)

19 Honor your father and your mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself.




Why do you call Jesus Good?

"Call no man good but only God" Jesus was simply saying that the quality of goodness does not originate from man but from God hence is the only one truly good.

That man who called Jesus good master merely saw Jesus as a man but Jesus is more than a man hence his goodness is not because he is a man but because he is God.

Jesus himself refer to himself as the good shepherd.

John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.



We that do know Jesus not just as a man but as God himself do testify that he is God.

Yahweh the God of the Jews is not Allah, the God of the Jews is the same as the Christian God, and Mohammed is not a prophet of the Christian God.

AntiChristian:


I think you should read more "Royal we" or the "Majestic we"!

Allah says He is one not two or three!

Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allah, (the) One.
Qur'an 112: 1.

And your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (God - Allah), La ilaha illa Huwa (there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He), the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Qur'an 2:163

Steep:
Yahweh the God of the Jews is not Allah, the God of the Jews is the same as the Christian God,

Can you bring a Bible verse that states or implies the above? The Jews of today deny worshipping Jesus as God! But you are here saying this!

and Mohammed is not a prophet of the Christian God.

Muhammad is the final Messenger of Islam. Christianity does not have any Holy Man except Jesus. All other men in the Bible must have one spot or sin that will make them fall short!

And of cos, you can't accept Muhammad as his teachings is contrary to Paul's and other writers of your Bible.

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Can you bring a Bible verse that states or implies the above? The Jews of today deny worshipping Jesus as God! But you are here saying this!

which bible vs do you need?
The God of the jews has son

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

It is clearly stated that Allah does not have any son only slaves.

The jews deny Jesus because they are blinded for now but a time is coming when they will know the truth about Jesus.

Muhammad is the final Messenger of Islam. Christianity does not have any Holy Man except Jesus. All other men in the Bible must have one spot or sin that will make them fall short!

And of cos, you can't accept Muhammad as his teachings is contrary to Paul's and other writers of your Bible.

Thank God you know I can't accept mohammed teaching because it is contrary to the gospel.
Mohammed is a false prophet
Matthew 7:15-16 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Steep:

"Call no man good but only God" Jesus was simply saying that the quality of goodness does not originate from man but from God hence is the only one truly good.

That man who called Jesus good master merely saw Jesus as a man but Jesus is more than a man hence his goodness is not because he is a man but because he is God.

Jesus himself refer to himself as the good shepherd.

John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.



We that do know Jesus not just as a man but as God himself do testify that he is God.

Jesus himself does not see himself as God.. we do not see him as God, Jesus said no one is good except one which is God. There is only one God.


1 Corinthians 15
27 For He [the Father] has put all things in subjection under His [Christ's] feet. But when it says, All things are put in subjection [under Him], it is evident that He [Himself] is excepted Who does the subjecting of all things to Him.(D)

28 However, when everything is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to [the Father] Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life].



NIV
1 Corinthians 15: 27-28
New International Version
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Steep:
which bible vs do you need?
The God of the jews has son

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Do the Jews ever believe their Lord has son(s)? And how was the son begotten by the Lord?

It is clearly stated that Allah does not have any son only slaves.

I think your Bible called you and Jesus slaves/servants of God.

1. Paul allegedly said in Romans 6:16:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

This means if we obey God then we are God's slaves!

2. Paul continues later in Romans 6:22:
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Here we see that those who have been set free from sins become slaves of God!

3. Luke also said in Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

Here we see Jesus relegated to being a servant of God by Luke.

The jews deny Jesus because they are blinded for now but a time is coming when they will know the truth about Jesus.

Thank God you know I can't accept mohammed teaching because it is contrary to the gospel.
Mohammed is a false prophet
Matthew 7:15-16 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Muhammad was able to establish Islam before he died!
What did your Jesus establish? Paul was the founder of Modern day Christianity and he never met Jesus.
So is Paul not the false prophet you are looking for?

And forever the Jews will never accept Jesus as their Lord and savior. They already believe Jesus was born out of wedlock hence a bastard!
Even Israel the country of your Lord has more Muslims than Christians!

haekymbahd:
Jesus himself does not see himself as God.. we do not see him as God, Jesus said no one is good except one which is God. There is only one God.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.


John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

1 Corinthians 15
27 For He [the Father] has put all things in subjection under His [Christ's] feet. But when it says, All things are put in subjection [under Him], it is evident that He [Himself] is excepted Who does the subjecting of all things to Him.(D)

28 However, when everything is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to [the Father] Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life].



NIV
1 Corinthians 15: 27-28
New International Version
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Do you now accept the letters of paul?

You are quoting what you have no knowledge of.

AntiChristian:


Do the Jews ever believe their Lord has son(s)? And how was the son begotten by the Lord?

The verse I gave you, was it not a jew that wrote it?
Israel became God's through Adoption.

I think your Bible called you and Jesus slaves/servants of God.

1. Paul allegedly said in Romans 6:16:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

This means if we obey God then we are God's slaves!

2. Paul continues later in Romans 6:22:
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Here we see that those who have been set free from sins become slaves of God!

3. Luke also said in Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

Here we see Jesus relegated to being a servant of God by Luke.



Muhammad was able to establish Islam before he died!
What did your Jesus establish? Paul was the founder of Modern day Christianity and he never met Jesus.
So is Paul not the false prophet you are looking for?

And forever the Jews will never accept Jesus as their Lord and savior. They already believe Jesus was born out of wedlock hence a bastard!
Even Israel the country of your Lord has more Muslims than Christians!

Jesus is a servant of God and also the son of God.
Your son can work for you and hence your servant, yet he is still your son.

True Christians like Jesus are both sons and servants of God.