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Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by sonmvayina(op): 10:51am On Dec 26, 2021
alphaNomega:
Mary was sexually assaulted
Lol..may be
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:10am On Dec 26, 2021
MindHacker9000:
And this demand is not too much for them to ask for. In 334 BC, Alexander the great, King of Macedonia, began one of the greatest military campaigns in history against the superpower of the age - the Persian Empire. No European today will doubt this greatest military campaigns 334 years before the birth of Jesus, because alot of people were involved just as no Jew today will doubt that God sopke to Moses bacause all the People saw "the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking"

Without such great events seen by all the people, how do you tell if you are not being deceived by a magician?
Everything you and i are reading now were written, we are not seeing it only eyewitnesses penned it down.
Now let me shock you more than before.
According to Moses himself his writings is not as authentic as what the gospels say about Jesus of Nazareth!
How?
Because everything you're reading in the Bible book of Genesis to Deuteronomy was written by just one WITNESS "Moses"
So why do you think i will believe what one man wrote all by himself over what four different WITNESSES penned down?

On the testimony of two witnesses or of three witnesses the one who is to die should be put to death. He must not be put to death on the testimony of one witness! Deuteronomy 17:6

“No single witness may convict another for any error or any sin that he may commit. On the testimony of two witnesses or on the testimony of three witnesses the matter should be established! Deuteronomy 19:15


Only Moses is the sole WITNESS of his own account but Jesus' life and ministry was born by FOUR WITNESSES, meaning the true God made sure that it wasn't just two or three but FOUR WITNESSES penned down the most important things regarding Him and His Kingdom.
So my friend, if you're saying you believe Moses's account which he wrote all by himself but rejects the account of FOUR WITNESSES from the same race then something is wrong somewhere! smiley
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by budaatum: 1:10pm On Dec 26, 2021
HellVictorinho3:
Support my rap ambition with the amount you can afford.
You need to go get yourself juju that works. This one you got is rather uselessly ineffective.
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by Nobody: 1:47pm On Dec 26, 2021
budaatum:
You need to go get yourself juju that works. This one you got is rather uselessly ineffective.
It's you that's not being straightforward.

What's the meaning of merry Xmas?


What does juju have to do with this?



You only reply when you can come up with something negative.



At least,I said no reply except you can stop the negativity.


Are you filled with negativity?
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by budaatum: 1:51pm On Dec 26, 2021
HellVictorinho3:
It's you that's not being straightforward.

What's the meaning of merry Xmas?

What does juju have to do with this?

You only reply when you can come up with something negative.

At least,I said no reply except you can stop the negativity.

Are you filled with negativity?
You can't be on my Christmas list Hell. You've done nothing worthy to be put on it for.

Don't give up trying though. There's always next Christmas and the one after and lots more after those. You will overcome one day.
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by Nobody: 1:55pm On Dec 26, 2021
budaatum:
You can't be on my Christmas list Hell. You've done nothing worthy to be put on it for.

Don't give up trying though. There's always next Christmas and the one after and lots more after those. You will overcome one day.
You're not still succinct and transparent.


I said don't tell me stuff like this.

There's nobody on your list.
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by Nobody:
MaxInDHouse:
Everything you and i are reading now were written, we are not seeing it only eyewitnesses penned it down.
Now let me shock you more than before.
According to Moses himself his writings is not as authentic as what the gospels say about Jesus of Nazareth!
How?
Because everything you're reading in the Bible book of Genesis to Deuteronomy was written by just one WITNESS "Moses"
On the testimony of two witnesses or of three witnesses the one who is to die should be put to death. He must not be put to death on the testimony of one witness! Deuteronomy 17:6

“No single witness may convict another for any error or any sin that he may commit. On the testimony of two witnesses or on the testimony of three witnesses the matter should be established! Deuteronomy 19:15


So why do you think i will believe what one man wrote all by himself over what four different WITNESSES penned down?
The shock here is that you believe that what the gospels say about Jesus of Nazareth is more authentic than the writings of Moses!  

Here is the real SHOCKER for you:
1. The people of Israel did not witness the virgin conception.
2. The people of Israel did not witness the resurrection.
3. The writers of the 4 gospels were not eyewitnesses of the empty tomb.
4. An empty tomb is not proof that the resurrection actually took place.
5. Jesus did not write the books of the gospels.
6. Paul's writings were written a decade before the other 4 gospels but the 4 gospels were put before Paul's writings.
7. It does not say who Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are in the 4 gosples.

MaxInDHouse:
Only Moses is the sole WITNESS of his own account but Jesus' life and ministry was born by FOUR WITNESSES, meaning the true God made sure that it wasn't just two or three but FOUR WITNESSES penned down the most important things regarding Him and His Kingdom.
So my friend, if you're saying you believe Moses's account which he wrote all by himself but rejects the account of FOUR WITNESSES from the same race then something is wrong somewhere! smiley
All the People saw "the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking" when GOD was talking to Moses so that was enough evidence for them to believe that GOD was talking to Moses.

Now let's analyse some of the accounts of the 4 gospels.

1. In Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary saw an angel.
2. In Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome saw a young man.
3. In Luke: The women saw 2 men.
4. In John: [Notice there was no angel or young man. Here it was just Mary Magdalene, Peter and the other disciple]
"Mary Magdalene went to the tomb". "So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple". "Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb". "The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen". "Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside". "Then the disciples went back to where they were staying"

The 4 different accounts listed above will not even be checked with the writings of Moses you quoted above as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not eyewitnesses of the resurrection and even the people they wrote about given 4 different accounts too did not witness the resurrection.

Here is another one
Matthew-27-52-53
52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Did Matthew say he was there when this event took place? How come an event like this is not recorded anywhere else in history by the historians.

The Jews cannot be deceived because they know that like with Moses God would show them "the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking" like when GOD was talking to Moses to prove that all the events in the New Testament are authentic.
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:27pm On Dec 26, 2021
MindHacker9000:
The shock here is that you believe that what the gospels say about Jesus of Nazareth is more authentic than the writings of Moses!  

Here is the real SHOCKER for you:
1. The people of Israel did not witness the virgin conception.
2. The people of Israel did not witness the resurrection.
3. The writers of the 4 gospels were not eyewitnesses of the empty tomb.
4. An empty tomb is not proof that the resurrection actually took place.
5. Jesus did not write the books of the gospels.
6. Paul's writings were written a decade before the other 4 gospels but the 4 gospels were put before Paul's writings.
7. It does not say who Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are in the 4 gosples.



All the People saw "the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking" when GOD was talking to Moses so that was enough evidence for them to believe that GOD was talking to Moses.

Now let's analyse some of the accounts of the 4 gospels.

1. In Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary saw an angel.
2. In Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome saw a young man.
3. In Luke: The women saw 2 men.
4. In John: [Notice there was no angel or young man. Here it was just Mary Magdalene, Peter and the other disciple]
"Mary Magdalene went to the tomb". "So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple". "Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb". "The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen". "Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside". "Then the disciples went back to where they were staying"

The 4 different accounts listed above will not even be checked with the writings of Moses you quoted above as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not eyewitnesses of the resurrection and even the people they wrote about given 4 different accounts too did not witness the resurrection.

Here is another one
Matthew-27-52-53
52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Did Matthew say he was there when this event took place? How come an event like this is not recorded anywhere else in history by the historians.

The Jews cannot be deceived because they know that like with Moses God would show them "the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking" like when GOD was talking to Moses to prove that all the events in the New Testament are authentic.
The Jews you're talking about chose what they want to believe just as you are doing right now, 99% of what Moses recorded didn't happen in his eyes:
Creation of heaven and earth, Adam and Eve, snake spoke with Eve, Cain and Abel, Enoch, Noah, tower of babel, confusion of language, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Laban's daughters, Joseph and his brothers, Egypt, Potiphar's wife, Joseph became ruler in Egypt, migration of Jacob and all his children to Egypt, Job and Satan, Israelites women gives birth easily.
Even most of the things Moses recorded were reported to him it's not everything that happened in his presence.
So just like the gospel accounts few things happens in their eyes the writers who recorded it the same way the Bible book of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy didn't happen in the eyes of Moses.
So you're simply choosing what you want in the Bible if you're rejecting the gospel accounts. I believe the entire Bible because i believe that God will not come down to write His word, rather he will use EYE-WITNESSES but who are contemporaries to pen it down at times while other times he only inspire them to pen down useful informations! smiley
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by budaatum: 7:24pm On Dec 27, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Because everything you're reading in the Bible book of Genesis to Deuteronomy was written by just one WITNESS "Moses"...
Max, this is like confessing you read only one book, which contravenes the teaching of Christ.

Ask 9000 to hack your mind with evidence of his "real SHOCKER".

MindHacker9000:
The shock here is that you believe that what the gospels say about Jesus of Nazareth is more authentic than the writings of Moses!  

Here is the real SHOCKER for you:
1. The people of Israel did not witness the virgin conception.
2. The people of Israel did not witness the resurrection.
3. The writers of the 4 gospels were not eyewitnesses of the empty tomb.
4. An empty tomb is not proof that the resurrection actually took place.
5. Jesus did not write the books of the gospels.
6. Paul's writings were written a decade before the other 4 gospels but the 4 gospels were put before Paul's writings.
7. It does not say who Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are in the 4 gosples.
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by Kobojunkie:
■Why would GOD do the same thing the sons of God who were fallen angels, were doing?
■Why would GOD just come into Mary like the sons of God which GOD was not happy with? Christians reboot your brains.

Genesis 6:4
King James Bible
4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
There are two things you fail to comprehend from the passage of Genesis 6 vs 1 - 6.

■ First, the passage does not in fact state that the Sons of God sinned against God when they choose for themselves wives from among the daughters of men.
■ Second, the passage also makes clear that the Giants -- Nephilim--- which existed in the land at the time, are not the sons of God. undecided
Re: Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan. Get Over It. by sonmvayina(op): 11:42am On Mar 01, 2023
How does one reconcile the two virgin birth stories in the New Testament with each other, and the historical evidence?

In Matthew, Jesus‘s birth occurs during the reign of King Herod and near an event known as the slaughtering of the innocent where the Bible records king Herod ordering the slaughtering of innocent children in or near Bethlehem. The Catholic Church recorded the numbers of innocent children slaughtered as high as 144,000, though they have revised that number several times, and are now reporting it was only a few children. Lots of people made records of king Herod and the horrible deeds he accomplished during his reign, but there is no record of him ever ordering the slaughter of innocent children outside of the Bible and some ever-evolving claims from the Catholic Church, nor is there any record of innocent children in Bethlehem being slaughtered that would support the story. further, King Herod died in four bc.

In Luke, the birth of Jesus is tied to a tax from the emperor Augustus Tiberius, when Quirinius was the legate of Syria. Quirinius did not become the legate of Syria until six AD, many years after King Herod died. Further, this tax in the Bible requires mass migration of the population, which would’ve been a wildly disruptive and unnecessary endeavour during the diaspora. No tax like this was ever done under the reign of emperor Tiberius, and we know that because, in addition to the records people have made about him, he wrote an autobiography, addressing his taxes among other things, and never mentioned requiring a massive migration as part of any of his taxes, nor does he mention an empire wide tax when Quirinius was legate of Syria.

Matthew ties the virgin birth to a supposed unfilled prophecy from Isaiah, but the Hebrew word describing the woman in that prophecy is not virgin, and the child she is pregnant with in Isaiah seven is born in Isaiah eight, so there would have to be at least two virgin births in the Bible for this prophecy to be pointing to a virgin birth of Jesus.

Do Christians just not know or not care or what?
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