blueAgent:

Even those people God will destroy were offered a 2nd chance which they refused to accept.
So also Adam and Eve have been offered a second chance through the death and resurrection of Jesus.

budaatum:

See? Even you say the law still stands, so the "penalty of the law" must stand too, and only by learning and understanding the teaching of Christ can one be free from breaking the law and thereby be free of the penalty of the law.

Basically, if I do not commit murder, the penalty for not committing murder can not apply to me, just as the penalty for not loving my enemies would not apply to me if I love my enemies.

And it is not the death of Jesus that would stop me committing murder or loving my enemies, but me accepting the teachings of Christ as my guiding Light.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you prove the bolded?

When, where and how did God gave people who deliberately did evil things second chance and how do we now reconcile that with His standard for justice?

MaxInDHouse:
Can you prove the bolded?

When, where and how did God gave people who deliberately did evil things second chance and how do we now reconcile that with His standard for justice?

blueAgent:

You fail to understand something and that is the fact that Jesus died to save us from the penalty of the sin which we did not commit in the first place.

budaatum:

See? Even you say the law still stands, so the "penalty of the law" must stand too, and only by learning and understanding the teaching of Christ can one be free from breaking the law and thereby be free of the penalty of the law.

Basically, if I do not commit murder, the penalty for not committing murder can not apply to me, just as the penalty for not loving my enemies would not apply to me if I love my enemies.

And it is not the death of Jesus that would stop me committing murder or loving my enemies, but me accepting the teachings of Christ as my guiding Light.

budaatum:


No, blueAgent. It is not that I do not understand. I just have a different understanding to your own.

You see, for me, the wealth is in the fact that Jesus lived and taught a great deal that I find to be of immense value and benefit to me, and I wish he had lived longer and taught more so I can have a lot more to study and learn from. While for you, the wealth is in his dying.

It's like when Jesus is written to have said "some are blind, some are deaf, some are unclean, some are lame and to some is the Gospel preached", so do you get what you require and I too get what I require too, to each according to our need.

blueAgent:

Did Jesus give the adulterous woman a second chance or not?

John 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

blueAgent:

Instead of people been stoned to death immediately after breaking any of the law or presenting a lamb without blemish as a sacrificial offering for sin, people are now expected to look up to Jesus for forgiveness of sin.

blueAgent:

Do you think you would be saved or have eternal life if Jesus had not died?life?

blueAgent:
Of what use if you learn everything from Jesus and still die and cannot have eternal life?

budaatum:

Do I have eternal life? Will I even live till I'm 110 years old? Why would I be worrying about some future eternal life when the worry of today should be sufficient for day?

Jesus death does not save me from anything. His death does not stop me from killing you nor does his death stop me from insulting and being rude to you!

I am saved by learning the various lessons he taught me and by not committing the errors he taught me not to commit.


I will make you fishers of humans
Fishers of humans
Fishers of humans
I will make you fishers of humans
If you follow me!

And I assure you he did not mean follow me and die!

The use of learning everything from Jesus is that while I live, greater things than Jesus did would I be empowered to do in my lifetime!

I must say though that since I am only human and can not possibly learn everything from Jesus, I am willing to settle for like 60-70% and perhaps do 50% of what he did. Yep, that would be immensely pleasing, I would think.

budaatum:

Do I have eternal life? Will I even live till I'm 110 years old? Why would I be worrying about some future eternal life when the worry of today should be sufficient for day?

Jesus death does not save me from anything. His death does not stop me from killing you nor does his death stop me from insulting and being rude to you!

I am saved by learning the various lessons he taught me and by not committing the errors he taught me not to commit.


I will make you fishers of humans
Fishers of humans
Fishers of humans
I will make you fishers of humans
If you follow me!

And I assure you he did not mean follow me and die!

The use of learning everything from Jesus is that while I live, greater things than Jesus did would I be empowered to do in my lifetime!

I must say though that since I am only human and can not possibly learn everything from Jesus, I am willing to settle for like 60-70% and perhaps do 50% of what he did. Yep, that would be immensely pleasing, I would think.

budaatum:


You mix up two different groups of people. The breaker of the law is not the stoner, and if both do not learn from the teachings of Christ the law will be broken and the stoner will stone the breaker of the law.

We see this in Nigeria where we will burn thieves on our streets instead of applying the Wisdom of Christ of at least trying them in a court first and then punishing with mercy like throwing the guilty in jail for instance.

If we do not learn from Christ, we are bound to continue in our sinful barbaric nature of stoning and burning law breakers on our streets.

And by the way, that lamb in the old Testament represents the repented self. Ones lamb is not figuratively unblemished if one continues in one's sinful ways.

budaatum:


You mix up two different groups of people. The breaker of the law is not the stoner, and if both do not learn from the teachings of Christ the law will be broken and the stoner will stone the breaker of the law.

We see this in Nigeria where we will burn thieves on our streets instead of applying the Wisdom of Christ of at least trying them in a court first and then punishing with mercy like throwing the guilty in jail for instance.

If we do not learn from Christ, we are bound to continue in our sinful barbaric nature of stoning and burning law breakers on our streets.

And by the way, that lamb in the old Testament represents the repented self. Ones lamb is not figuratively unblemished if one continues in one's sinful ways.

MaxInDHouse:


You're complicating issues for yourself my friend!

You and i know that whoever turn away from his sins will be forgiven but did Adam and Eve turn away?
And you dodged the real question: When, How, and Where did God give intentional wrongdoers a second chance after their death? Hebrews 9:27

blueAgent:

Where you in Heaven or garden of Eden?
How did you know Adam and Eve where not forgiven or did not seek for God's mercy.
You and your Church are only good at assumptions and false teachings
Give me evidence in the Bible not stories.
Which one is intentional wrong does?
Was David's sin intentional or not?
Was the Adulterous woman's sin intentional or not?

blueAgent:

Where would they have seen Christ and learnt from him in the old testament?

blueAgent:

Christ was the same one who instructed them to stone breakers of the law.

Leviticus 24:23 And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.

blueAgent:

You are teaching an entire new gospel, to be precise your own gospel.

Who are you to question him?

blueAgent:

Jesus is more concerned of your eternal salvation than whatever you claim to learn in this world.

The goal of Jesus coming is to give us eternal live not eternal learners.

budaatum:


Eternal learners, lol. That's what I call church people. They stay in the same class year after year learning the same sermons year in year out, three Score and ten some well past hundred and then they die and we put them in a box and we bury and burn some and that's the very end of them as far as I know though I hear of eternal life.

Isn't there like learn, exam, pass, promotion, graduate and freedom from the school of perpetual slavery before Eternal Life that I don't even get till I die? What a convenient way to waste Christ's Blood that he shed for me so that I may first live very fruitfully on this Earth!

The goal of Jesus' coming and living and dying and nail on cross and go to hell and go to heaven and sit with God and send me the Holy Spirit and to make some people write the Gospel and all the work to get it in to the hands of buda so that buda too may read is to make buda do.

That's why I have three score and ten; may I live so long Lord please. Plenty work few workers, so buda can't be delighting in some far away eternal life when there is so much living to be done before me. I still have a few years left, I pray.

There must be others too whom Christ energises. It can not be only me!

budaatum:

Who am I to question what I read in a book?

buda, of course. The one that Christ ordered to ask and knock and seek with all my heart and soul and mind and being.

I thought everyone is supposed to question, instead of just believing what they are told. Am I incorrect in asking God for understanding? If I do not question, how could I claim I understand. And if you have not questioned, how could you possibly have the same understanding as I who has questioned?

And no, not my own Gospel. For I buda is just not that smart as to invent my own Gospel. It is that which is given to me through the Holy Spirit when I question.

Blue, you say the death of Christ is the important bit, but even you must have learnt more from the life of Christ than you claim to have received from his death. Just check when you preach and you see what I mean. You'd find you preach the living Christ much more than Christ died on a cross.

budaatum:


See the answer below

blueAgent:



I preach his death more, becos that was what gave humanity salvation.

The truth is you do not understand God's just and Holy nature.

Like I said before you are preaching another gospel.

Budasim not christianity.

blueAgent:


There is no answer there, you practically dodged to answer my question.

budaatum:


I did not dodge to answer your question, blue. You answered it yourself.


Question: Where would they have seen Christ and learnt from him in the old testament?

Answer: Christ was the same one who instructed them to stone breakers of the law.

But if you disagree, tell me a different answer please, because your answer as already given is the most correct answer as far as I understand it to be.

As it was in the beginning, so it is now....

damocool:

You have a long way to go my brother, you only want to accept those verses of the scriptures that pamper you, you still wanna be a baby and the Fed with the milk and not the strong meal of the scriptures, and it's not good for ur Christian life. Thank God you cited the lot's wife verse urself, and you read that she and and her people were shown the way out and given instructions, but she couldn't.. Just like we are given the word today as well, and only the people that endue to the end would be saved, Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? You see the categories of spiritual state of man there? Believing alone is not enough my dear brother, see these verses, Christ himself made it clear here John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned... If once save forever saved is the real word.. Read psalm 51, and see the prayer of a righteous king David, the man after God's heart. The Bible say God is too holy to behold sin to the extent of forsaken his only son on the cross because he carried my sin and urs on the cross of cavalry and borne all for us, and you expect that same God to fixed his eyes on u, pampering while u live in a iniquity after u claimed to have known Christ? My brother it's not true, our salvation is eternal but conditional we either abide in him after which we declare for the him and do the will of the Father with the help of christ or we go backslide to our old life style which as well could lead to eternal damnation if will don't run back to the cross.. See these verses as well 2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. It's all depends us, God has done his part..

blueAgent:


Please click and read.

Why christianity bis the best religeon and not buddhism.

https://www.nairaland.com/4746846/lets-find-out-true-religeon

budaatum:


No religion is the best religion since religions are all the understanding of the person practising it and not what you describe religions as being in the link you posted.

As Christ rightly said, and as is collaborated in the Quran, [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+4%3A4&version=NLT]those who read only one book will become malnourished[/url].

Yes, he humbled you by letting you go hungry and then feeding you with manna, a food previously unknown to you and your ancestors. He did it to teach you that people do not live by bread alone; rather, we live by every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. Deuteronomy 8:3

“If thy Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind One People: but they will not cease to be diverse.” Sura Hood, verse 118

“O mankind! We created you from male and female and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily, the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is he who is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is fully informed.” Sura Hujurat, verse 13

Do note that Christianity specifically teaches one not to commit the sin of hubris that you are disobeying Christ to commit here.

blueAgent:


That's a lie, all religeon cannot be true and cannot lead to God.

blueAgent:

That's a lie, all religeon cannot be true and cannot lead to God.