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[quote author=*Ileke-IdI]Ori and eleda are used interchangeably[/quote]Right.
I was not wrong.
Ori is considered Orisa (the staff Orisa, the fate of each person).
Ori its own has worship (he is worshiped).
But I find no relationship between Ori and Olorun. I think they're different things, but of course I respect and appreciate your opinion.
A respectful greeting dear friend!

[quote author=*Ileke-IdI]Sorry, Igbos are the ones that believe they're the sons of Israel. Yorubas were here when the Israelis were there. we were just not called "Yoruba" or "Nagos" then.

Oduduwa was the one sent from heaven Every tradition has its own myth. You have the Greeks with their gods/goddesses.[/quote]Exactly
Oduduwa is considered the patriarch Yoruba.
The Yoruba are considered "sons of Oduduwa"
In the creation Oduduwa plays a key role, and settled in Ile-Ife and founded his kingdom.
I do not want to continue the story on some subsequent invasions Oduduwa performed, in order to avoid polarization between the brothers.
I insist emphatically that I see no relationship between the Yoruba and the Jewish people.
Dear friends and brothers ... it is logical to surface feelings when mentioned aspects of our ancestral origins, but please try to maintain respect to all other cults and ethnic groups. Not follow the bad example of many Christians who come to the forum to show more fanaticism to provide ....
No one is better than anyone, and we should all be one ...
Could you enlighten me about the term "Anago"?
A friendly greeting!

@ op, what makes You think that the worship of olodumare was also not imposed by some ancient civilization? Slavery itself is as old as man and not peculiar to xtianity and Islam.if your olodumare and other African gods were all that why didn't they rescue Africans from slavery and colonization? You claim that they don't wait 47 years to answer prayers , however history points to the fact that they not only delayed, they did not even answer or shall we say they were not powerful enough to answer their worshipers. So what was the point in worshiping them? Lets take an example, Our fore fathers worshipped some gods they believed would Ward of illness e.g malaria and based on this belief offered sacrifices to them, however modern science has shown that you just need a few pills to cure malaria, no need to sacrifice hens, goats and in some cases human beings to treat malaria.they therefore dumped some of these gods. In a sense its not just xtianity that made us dump our forefathers gods but also science. Science disproved a lot of myths and religious practises.
Some of the races you mentioned that are doing well have also had their dark periods its not always been rosy. The white men also lived in caves, trenches etc before they made scientific breakthroughs .whites also worshipped several moon gods, sun. Gods river gods before the advent of xtianity.some food for thought.

I still insist that our people forgot ELEDUMARE's personal name. Eledumare is a title/appellation just like that of Yoruba kings e.g. Alaketu of Ketu, Elepe of Epe, Oniru of Iru,Olubadan of Ibadan, etc.

[quote author=*Ileke-IdI]Sorry, Igbos are the ones that believe they're the sons of Israel. Yorubas were here when the Israelis were there. we were just not called "Yoruba" or "Nagos" then.

Oduduwa was the one sent from heaven Every tradition has its own myth. You have the Greeks with their gods/goddesses.[/quote]was he a savior whos eternal mission in life was to convert people by spreading the word

Ptolomeus: Dear friend:
1. It is logical that there are studies by the British. I already mentioned that the first studies on African traditions and religions were made by English missionaries ( sided, and superficial studes). That does not speak well for the British (who also wrongly interpreted almost everything) but bad for Africans.
2. I respectfully beg to differ with you about human sacrifice. If we talk historically in Africa may be conducted human sacrifices for religious purposes.
That's not the actual reality.
But do not forget that the Judeo-Christian god was ordered to undertake human sacrifices (sometimes children).
It is estimated that a Jewish sect made ​​even today.
So ... we chose the lesser evil? That will cost African slavery for hundreds of years and met the greatest genocide in human history (I have the numbers and statistics per capita)
That was choosing the lesser evil?
Well ... I do not want to induce anyone to change their thinking, just that things are not imposed as the Europeans.
You have done an excellent pose. I think it's a great collaboration ... From the discussion comes the light!
I send warm greetings!

Obviously, you have done a lot of research.
So we disagree on number 2. You see, inasmuch as I don't like talking about it, ritual killing is real. This is undertaken by misguided/bloodthirsty/sadistic followers of certain gods(osha) In vain hope of pleasing their lords and for monetary gains. This is why most people became completely disgusted with those gods and therefore abandoned them. Science also played a role in dismissing most of their spiritual superstition. You can imagine a Ifa priest naming his son 'Ifatoyinbo'. Meaning IFA is equal to the white man. And the implicit meaning was that of inferiority of IFA.
I agree with most of what you said but I decided to point this one out. Peace.

Confirmed topic.
When you run away from the truth, you go astray. Abandoning Eledumary for all other fake gods is the reason for the state of nigeria today. Among all gods, Eledumary is more potent, intolerant and vegeance. Eledumare has ministers like Ailela, Sango, Ogun, Osun, Obatala, Esu, they are all angels for mankind but because they are neglected, all remain thesame and all our politicians use western religion god to loot our treasure. Ah, barao.

afrodiva: @ op, what makes You think that the worship of olodumare was also not imposed by some ancient civilization? Slavery itself is as old as man and not peculiar to xtianity and Islam.if your olodumare and other African gods were all that why didn't they rescue Africans from slavery and colonization? You claim that they don't wait 47 years to answer prayers , however history points to the fact that they not only delayed, they did not even answer or shall we say they were not powerful enough to answer their worshipers. So what was the point in worshiping them? Lets take an example, Our fore fathers worshipped some gods they believed would Ward of illness e.g malaria and based on this belief offered sacrifices to them, however modern science has shown that you just need a few pills to cure malaria, no need to sacrifice hens, goats and in some cases human beings to treat malaria.they therefore dumped some of these gods. In a sense its not just xtianity that made us dump our forefathers gods but also science. Science disproved a lot of myths and religious practises.
Some of the races you mentioned that are doing well have also had their dark periods its not always been rosy. The white men also lived in caves, trenches etc before they made scientific breakthroughs .whites also worshipped several moon gods, sun. Gods river gods before the advent of xtianity.some food for thought.

I would like to clarify something.
You blames the Orisa (or African deities) of slavery.
Now it is a very simplistic. The perpetrators of slavery were Europeans, and also some level of military development. I do not see the guilt of the gods in that situation. But (according to your reasoning) I ask you something: Not guilty on Islamic god of the massacres in Iraq? the savage torture of Islamists in Guantanamo? and many other things? Is that Allah is a god weak and let their people to massacre and torture their sons?
The Jewish God is weak allowing the slaughter of 3 million Jews in World War II?. Excuse me, but I do not share your point of view.

With respect to medical solutions ... not all solutions involving religious sacrifices in Africa. You know that there is a cult Ossayin? A cult of ancient healing method leaves like?
You know what it contains that drug you listed as a "scientific breakthrough? THE PLANT IS BASED ON A 90%.
Then you can tell me where the weakness of these "gods"?
Where is the great development that was Africa with Islam and Christianity? Where is the greatest strength of Yahweh and Allah compared to Eledumaré?
Excuse me, but very respectfully, your analysis is very incomplete.
My intention is not to argue, but just do not think that a comment like that go unanswered.
My respects.

amor4ce: I still insist that our people forgot ELEDUMARE's personal name. Eledumare is a title/appellation just like that of Yoruba kings e.g. Alaketu of Ketu, Elepe of Epe, Oniru of Iru,Olubadan of Ibadan, etc.

What you say is correct.
It is a way of naming the god.
Olorún means (Lord of Orun).

Avicenna: Obviously, you have done a lot of research.
So we disagree on number 2. You see, inasmuch as I don't like talking about it, ritual killing is real. This is undertaken by misguided/bloodthirsty/sadistic followers of certain gods(osha) In vain hope of pleasing their lords and for monetary gains. This is why most people became completely disgusted with those gods and therefore abandoned them. Science also played a role in dismissing most of their spiritual superstition. You can imagine a Ifa priest naming his son 'Ifatoyinbo'. Meaning IFA is equal to the white man. And the implicit meaning was that of inferiority of IFA.
I agree with most of what you said but I decided to point this one out. Peace.

Dear friend, is a pleasure to exchange knowledge with you. Thank you for your appreciation and consideration.
I do not doubt the sacrifices that you named, and neither do the justify. I only that they go back a long time ago. I find a contradiction between those who "abandon" the Yoruba deities because at one time performed these sacrifices, and embrace other religions whose god demanded human sacrifices also.
I also note that the abandonment of traditional culture (in general) African and embrace Western culture has brought him to Africa a substantial improvement in the quality of life, on the contrary ... from the "Berlin Agreement "I think (very respectfully) to Africa fell into a deep crisis of historical identity.
It is possible that the priests themselves IFA submit to whites ... but understand that doing nothing different from most other people.

I ask for clarification (help) on this point: the name "Ifatoyinbo" according to the term "Oyin" mean honey ...
the word "white" would not be funfun?
Thank you very much for your consideration and attention.
I respect very much.
An affectionate greeting!

Ptolomeus: Dear friend, is a pleasure to exchange knowledge with you. Thank you for your appreciation and consideration.
I do not doubt the sacrifices that you named, and neither do the justify. I only that they go back a long time ago. I find a contradiction between those who "abandon" the Yoruba deities because at one time performed these sacrifices, and embrace other religions whose god demanded human sacrifices also.
I also note that the abandonment of traditional culture (in general) African and embrace Western culture has brought him to Africa a substantial improvement in the quality of life, on the contrary ... from the "Berlin Agreement "I think (very respectfully) to Africa fell into a deep crisis of historical identity.
It is possible that the priests themselves IFA submit to whites ... but understand that doing nothing different from most other people.

I ask for clarification (help) on this point: the name "Ifatoyinbo" according to the term "Oyin" mean honey ...
the word "white" would not be funfun?
Thank you very much for your consideration and attention.
I respect very much.
An affectionate greeting!

What??

How come you understand Yoruba?

logicboy: What??

How come you understand Yoruba?

Hahahaha ...
Dear friend ... (You know I respect him a lot)
I am a researcher of African traditions, mainly from the Yoruba.
I do not speak Yoruba (wish it were), just I have a vague notion ...
Always a pleasure to talk with you dear friend!

Vamo' arriba la celeste querido amigo!
Un abrazo!

Ptolomeus: Hahahaha ...
Dear friend ... (You know I respect him a lot)
I am a researcher of African traditions, mainly from the Yoruba.
I do not speak Yoruba (wish it were), just I have a vague notion ...
Always a pleasure to talk with you dear friend!

Vamo' arriba la celeste querido amigo!
Un abrazo!

Nice.

I am not from the Yoruba tribe myself

Sirniyeh: Eledumare has ministers like Ailela .

Dear friend:
Could you expand a little more on that Orisa?
Thank you!

Ptolomeus: Dear friend, is a pleasure to exchange knowledge with you. Thank you for your appreciation and consideration.
I do not doubt the sacrifices that you named, and neither do the justify. I only that they go back a long time ago. I find a contradiction between those who "abandon" the Yoruba deities because at one time performed these sacrifices, and embrace other religions whose god demanded human sacrifices also.
I also note that the abandonment of traditional culture (in general) African and embrace Western culture has brought him to Africa a substantial improvement in the quality of life, on the contrary ... from the "Berlin Agreement "I think (very respectfully) to Africa fell into a deep crisis of historical identity.
It is possible that the priests themselves IFA submit to whites ... but understand that doing nothing different from most other people.

I ask for clarification (help) on this point: the name "Ifatoyinbo" according to the term "Oyin" mean honey ...
the word "white" would not be funfun?
Thank you very much for your consideration and attention.
I respect very much.
An affectionate greeting!

Nice. Your research must be paying off, my good friend.
You are correct that OYIN means honey. FUNFUN is the colour white. As in white cloth,house. We both know no one is really WHITE in complexion just fair-skinned.
But this is my analysis of IFATOYINBO
IFA- this is the name of a god. He's very wise.
TO- means up to. Is equal to. E.g wale to taiwo means wale is equal to taiwo(maybe in age, intellect...)
OYINBO-fairskinned person i.e someone of european descent. Note- it does not refer to albinos. Albinos- AAFIN
Notice the difference between oyinbo and oyin.

IFA-TO-OYINBO= IFATOYINBO.
Ifa-is equal to-white person.
A spiritual entity(false anyway) is equal to the physical white man. You see what I meant by the inferiority complex.

logicboy: Nice.

I am not from the Yoruba tribe myself

what are you

Yoruba is a complex language with many meanings for a single word. For instance in IFATOYINBO, let's remove ifa and bo leaving toyin. TOYIN means 'deserves to be praised' i.e oloruntoyin means God deserves to be praised. What I'm trying to say is that before you analyse you need to get the big picture first. Or the language will come off as confusion.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]what are you [/quote]From the south-south where oil is

logicboy: From the south-south where oil is

hmm..lol

so you are also a head hunter, eh?

i dont mean any real offense, but why are you all so stubborn like that biafra4thearmy guy, for example. .

Ptolomeus: Exactly
Oduduwa is considered the patriarch Yoruba.
The Yoruba are considered "sons of Oduduwa"
In the creation Oduduwa plays a key role, and settled in Ile-Ife and founded his kingdom.
I do not want to continue the story on some subsequent invasions Oduduwa performed, in order to avoid polarization between the brothers.
I insist emphatically that I see no relationship between the Yoruba and the Jewish people.
Dear friends and brothers ... it is logical to surface feelings when mentioned aspects of our ancestral origins, but please try to maintain respect to all other cults and ethnic groups. Not follow the bad example of many Christians who come to the forum to show more fanaticism to provide ....
No one is better than anyone, and we should all be one ...
Could you enlighten me about the term "Anago"?
A friendly greeting!

Anagos, I believe, was the name Yorubas bared before colonization, but I could be wrong.

If you're indeed sincere about your journey to acquire more knowledge about the Yorubas, I truly respect that endeavor. Much respect my friend.

I'm proudly Yoruba, btw.


You're quite right, THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE YORUBAS AND THE JEWS. Yorubas were there, from Togo to what is now called Nigeria while the Jews were still . . . . wherever they were.

Ptolomeus: Right.
I was not wrong.
Ori is considered Orisa (the staff Orisa, the fate of each person).
Ori its own has worship (he is worshiped).
But I find no relationship between Ori and Olorun. I think they're different things, but of course I respect and appreciate your opinion.
A respectful greeting dear friend!

Ori is one's head or one's spirit.
Olorun in today's time, is another name for Eledumare; the superior being (God) or the creator.
There could be a metaphorical relationship between the two tho.
Usually when a Yoruba person prays, they say "Ori mi o, eleda mi o" to call out to God.

Avicenna: Nice. Your research must be paying off, my good friend.
You are correct that OYIN means honey. FUNFUN is the colour white. As in white cloth,house. We both know no one is really WHITE in complexion just fair-skinned.
But this is my analysis of IFATOYINBO
IFA- this is the name of a god. He's very wise.
TO- means up to. Is equal to. E.g wale to taiwo means wale is equal to taiwo(maybe in age, intellect...)
OYINBO-fairskinned person i.e someone of european descent. Note- it does not refer to albinos. Albinos- AAFIN
Notice the difference between oyinbo and oyin.

IFA-TO-OYINBO= IFATOYINBO.
Ifa-is equal to-white person.
A spiritual entity(false anyway) is equal to the physical white man. You see what I meant by the inferiority complex.

Dear friend.
First of all, thank you very much for you to understand I'm not doing critical, but trying to contribute what little I know, and also to learn. Share. It was his excellent explanation of the term Ifatoyinbo. The Yoruba language is very complex, I have noticed that many times unite words and contractions performed by omitting letters .... It is very complex, especially for a foreigner like me.
I fully understand your analysis, and share it.
Do not is fitting that the priests themselves IFA adopting such attitudes ...
I would like to tell you something, that may seem minor, but it relates to African traditions.
At South American ethnic groups came from Africa. Had to endure a transfer inhuman in the holds of slave ships. The highest percentage died on the voyage, or as a result. Many generations lived in a state of slavery, with its language, traditions and beliefs prohibited.
However, despite the odds, kept alive the flame of their beliefs and traditions. Here is very respectful of the black tradition.
I think that contrasts with the adoption of the name Ifatoyinbo ...

If you do not consider it an abuse of me, I want to give some consideration traditional Adura that I have been rescued in the Yoruba language. It would be important, beyond translation, know the dialect and the possible origin ... It would be of great importance to my research.

I am honored to talk with you!
I hope you can understand my very bad English.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]hmm..lol

so you are also a head hunter, eh?

i dont mean any real offense, but why are you all so stubborn like that biafra4thearmy guy, for example. . [/quote]Dear friend:
Logicboy is a good person.
I have had opportunity to check on many occasions.
Not everyone has to think like us.
Do not fall into the same error, as many Christians, that they alone are good and others are demonic Lol
A big hug!

[quote author=*Ileke-IdI]Anagos, I believe, was the name Yorubas bared before colonization, but I could be wrong.

If you're indeed sincere about your journey to acquire more knowledge about the Yorubas, I truly respect that endeavor. Much respect my friend.

I'm proudly Yoruba, btw.


You're quite right, THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE YORUBAS AND THE JEWS. Yorubas were there, from Togo to what is now called Nigeria while the Jews were still . . . . wherever they were.




Ori is one's head or one's spirit.
Olorun in today's time, is another name for Eledumare; the superior being (God) or the creator.
There could be a metaphorical relationship between the two tho.
Usually when a Yoruba person prays, they say "Ori mi o, eleda mi o" to call out to God.[/quote]dear friend Idi Ileke :
More than 30 years ago I began my research, and yet I think I know nothing about Africa and Yorubaland.
Thank you very much for your appreciation, affection and respect shown by all the comrades of this thread really moves me! Thank you!
There are many versions about the origin of the Yoruba ... even a version related to the black pharaohs of Egypt. I maintain my firm position regarding Oduduwa as Patriarch, and I dare not make any relationship without strong evidence that I never found).

The beautiful prayer you indicated (Ori mi o) is a praise to Ori.
His simplicity contrasts with its foundation, since (as we both said) Ori (Orisa is the staff ... our own destiny ...
It is said that before birth the person, in Orun, Ori chooses his destiny to fulfill on earth (Aiye) in the presence of Adjalá and Orunmila (both Orissa funfun). The term "funfun" should not be confused with skin color, but a condition of (Orisa related to creation.

I feel a great feeling to be sharing these beautiful comments as polite and friendly people.
Thanks for sharing knowledge and friendship.
Tell me you conmo a sincere friend.

Ptolomeus: Dear friend.
First of all, thank you very much for you to understand I'm not doing critical, but trying to contribute what little I know, and also to learn. Share. It was his excellent explanation of the term Ifatoyinbo. The Yoruba language is very complex, I have noticed that many times unite words and contractions performed by omitting letters .... It is very complex, especially for a foreigner like me.
I fully understand your analysis, and share it.
Do not is fitting that the priests themselves IFA adopting such attitudes ...
I would like to tell you something, that may seem minor, but it relates to African traditions.
At South American ethnic groups came from Africa. Had to endure a transfer inhuman in the holds of slave ships. The highest percentage died on the voyage, or as a result. Many generations lived in a state of slavery, with its language, traditions and beliefs prohibited.
However, despite the odds, kept alive the flame of their beliefs and traditions. Here is very respectful of the black tradition.
I think that contrasts with the adoption of the name Ifatoyinbo ...

If you do not consider it an abuse of me, I want to give some consideration traditional Adura that I have been rescued in the Yoruba language. It would be important, beyond translation, know the dialect and the possible origin ... It would be of great importance to my research.

I am honored to talk with you!
I hope you can understand my very bad English.

Ha, my friend, it is not all the priest(not even most) that have that attitude. Only the ones that felt insecure gave such names. Infact the name,IFATOYINBO is rare. If any yoruba man sees such name, the response will be that of shock or incredulity followed by laughter. By now, most priest have gone underground. You only see them in obscure,rural villages. The african/yoruba traditions are worthy of praise and respect no doubt. Don't let a brainwashed,insecure minority priests convince you otherwise.

I am indeed sorry for that slavery era. I hate slavery with every drop of my blood. The more disturbing thing was that my forefathers had a part in what happened. They were ignorant of the pain,suffering and humiliation they were condemning their own people to. I am very sorry.

I don't understand your 8th paragraph. Sorry,can you re post? Anything I can do to help you in your research is welcome. Nice of you to use ADURA.

Avicenna: Ha, my friend, it is not all the priest(not even most) that have that attitude. Only the ones that felt insecure gave such names. Infact the name,IFATOYINBO is rare. If any yoruba man sees such name, the response will be that of shock or incredulity followed by laughter. By now, most priest have gone underground. You only see them in obscure,rural villages. The african/yoruba traditions are worthy of praise and respect no doubt. Don't let a brainwashed,insecure minority priests convince you otherwise.

I am indeed sorry for that slavery era. I hate slavery with every drop of my blood. The more disturbing thing was that my forefathers had a part in what happened. They were ignorant of the pain,suffering and humiliation they were condemning their own people to. I am very sorry.

I don't understand your 8th paragraph. Sorry,can you re post? Anything I can do to help you in your research is welcome. Nice of you to use ADURA.

I think the 8th Paragraph describing the conditions of slavery, and the heroic way in which the slaves kept the memory of their traditions.
I thank you infinitely available to help. I promise to post something short and hopefully simple. I will do on Monday.
You are very kind!
You can count on me to do whatever it takes!
Greetings from your friend Uruguayan!

Avicenna: By now, most priest have gone underground. You only see them in obscure,rural villages. .
.

Your comment is very valuable and surprising. Here in America, it is believed that traditional religion is the most practiced in Nigeria. I was very surprised when I joined the forum and saw the religious reality of Nigeria.
According to your comentrario, the precarious situation of Babalawos contrasts with the sumptuous living with W. Abimbola, which is representative in the Diaspora (USA, Cuba, etc..) And makes decisions on a religious level.
Abimbola first instance was firmly opposed to the existence of the office of Iyaonifá (Babalawo woman), but then, he encouraged the creation of that office, which goes against the most ancient traditions ...
HOWEVER, from here we continue to look to Africa with admiration and respect. Africa still feel like the great cradle, the root, the referent.

Ptolomeus: Dear friend.
First of all, thank you very much for you to understand I'm not doing critical, but trying to contribute what little I know, and also to learn. Share. It was his excellent explanation of the term Ifatoyinbo. The Yoruba language is very complex, I have noticed that many times unite words and contractions performed by omitting letters .... It is very complex, especially for a foreigner like me.
I fully understand your analysis, and share it.
Do not is fitting that the priests themselves IFA adopting such attitudes ...
I would like to tell you something, that may seem minor, but it relates to African traditions.
At South American ethnic groups came from Africa. Had to endure a transfer inhuman in the holds of slave ships. The highest percentage died on the voyage, or as a result. Many generations lived in a state of slavery, with its language, traditions and beliefs prohibited.
However, despite the odds, kept alive the flame of their beliefs and traditions. Here is very respectful of the black tradition.
I think that contrasts with the adoption of the name Ifatoyinbo ...

[/b]If you do not consider it an abuse of me, I want to give some consideration traditional Adura that I have been rescued in the Yoruba language. It would be important, beyond translation, know the dialect and the possible origin ... It would be of great importance to my research.[b]

I am honored to talk with you!
I hope you can understand my very bad English.

this is what i meant by 8th paragraph.the bold

Avicenna: this is what i meant by 8th paragraph.the bold

Ah, dear friend ... a thousand apologies for my English, I know it's really bad. I appreciate your effort and consideration. I just use a translator, because it does not speak English.

I explained to you, if you do not consider it an abuse of me ... I have gotten very old Adura (prayer to Orisa) which are the days of slavery. These Adura (to my knowledge) are written in Yoruba. It is not very important for me to know the translation, because I have a vague idea of its meaning, but it would be important to know your opinion on this type of dialect used, and if you can understand.

It is more comprehensible now? Otherwise, please notify me.

Ptolomeus: Your comment is very valuable and surprising. Here in America, it is believed that traditional religion is the most practiced in Nigeria. I was very surprised when I joined the forum and saw the religious reality of Nigeria.
According to your comentrario, the precarious situation of Babalawos contrasts with the sumptuous living with W. Abimbola, which is representative in the Diaspora (USA, Cuba, etc..) And makes decisions on a religious level.
Abimbola first instance was firmly opposed to the existence of the office of Iyaonifá (Babalawo woman), but then, he encouraged the creation of that office, which goes against the most ancient traditions ...
HOWEVER, from here we continue to look to Africa with admiration and respect. Africa still feel like the great cradle, the root, the referent.

That's the problem with religion. The 'leader' only benefits and they thrive on misinformation, sheer brainwashing and ignorance. We have almost discarded one product for exactly same product.
However, Africa is a beautiful place. My dear friend, Africa says hello to you.
Have a nice weekend.

Avicenna: That's the problem with religion. The 'leader' only benefits and they thrive on misinformation, sheer brainwashing and ignorance. We have almost discarded one product for exactly same product.
However, Africa is a beautiful place. My dear friend, Africa says hello to you.
Have a nice weekend.

Hello dear friend Avicenna:
I have had any problem to insert the text file.
I'm trying to solve a technical problem, in order to be able to put the Adura to it.
Of course I am very grateful.
I send fraternal greetings!

Yahweh was the Bronze Serpent–nahas nehustan

(The reader with special interest in the subject of this section is advised to follow the argument with the aid of any comprehensive online etymology dictionary, and the reader interested in further researching the dissemination of the root of Y-W-, as discussed in this section, is advised to read Modupe Oduyoye's Afro-Asiatic Interpretation of Genesis and also consult any good etymology dictionary. The reader will also find D. MacKenzie's, Migration of Symbols invaluable for appreciation of the universality of spiral symbols and vortices in religious-mystical tradition).

Asklepius

We may glean evidence in support of the view that the dazzling serpent entwined Asklepian pole was the symbol of the Kenitic Yahweh, and a totemic symbol of the Kenitic clan of Yahweh worshipers, from the worldwide dissemination of the root Y-W- a form of the Afro-Asiatic root verb h-w-h ('to be".

We shall begin our tour in West Africa. Oduyoye, notes the incidence of the root Y-W- in the religious cults of the following West African peoples: Among the Fon (the voodoo or vodu cult of Benin Republic or Dahomey) we have the word "Yehwe," meaning: "spirit," "divine spirit." Among the Ewe of Togo, we have "Yeve," meaning also "divine spirit." Among the Gun (also of West Africa) we have "Yihwe" or "Yehwe" meaning "a "god" or "spirit or divine being. Among the Yoruba of the "slave coast" we have the antique virgin goddess Yewa ("our mother," "our lady" cognate with the root h-w-h, of the verb "to be".

taken from http://www.goddiscussion.com/73737/evolution-of-hebrew-monotheism-moses-bronze-serpent-and-etymology-of-the-divine-tetragrammaton-yhwh-part-3/

amor4ce: taken from http://www.goddiscussion.com/73737/evolution-of-hebrew-monotheism-moses-bronze-serpent-and-etymology-of-the-divine-tetragrammaton-yhwh-part-3/

Dear friend amor4ce:
Thank you for your beautiful contribution. It is really important.
I hope you do not interpret my comment as a criticism of you, it is not my intention. Your opinion is as valid as mine, just that in my research I learned that a coincidence (or more) does not even merit mention.
The snake was a symbol in the vast majority of religions.
With respect to the coincidence in names, take the example just to Yewa, originally from Egwado (Dahomey). Yewa is related to death and especially the cemetery (I did not want to dwell here in detail all features) and female chastity and sterility.
Done this brief analysis of the African Orisa Yewa, I find no relation whatsoever to the Jewish god Jahve.
You think are related?. From the anthropological point of view, the phonetic similarity of a name does not merit even bother to open an investigation.

An example ... Jesus and Esu have some phonetic similarity, but you think you have a single point of contact?
It's just my opinion, very positive and I think every contribution, every exchange of views.
Best wishes!