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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:23am On Jan 06, 2022
forgiveness:



You haven’t observed him closely but you arrived at a deduction “he tends to miss more than he scores”. Hmmmm!

What contradiction!

Dude was that statement really that complex for you to easily decipher? Yes, English isn't our language but the simplest of it shouldn't be that hard to comprehend. What's the function the word "maybe" and what does the word "tend" really mean to you?

How could you talk about drawing a conclusion when there was a probable(maybe) preceeding your statement to authomatically give it a sense of uncertainty?

How did you pass GST101 grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:23am On Jan 06, 2022
forgiveness:


The bone of contention is the position they play. Nwakali has played mostly as an AMF throughout his professional career.

I remember we had that argument during the days of Jelili. grin

You can post the proof of him playing mostly as a CMF here for me to see. Thanks



Thanks kee you diaaaa grin grin Taaaaaaaa!!! Gbafuo!!! grin
Who you wan give work? You no sabi the amount of screenshots I need to take to show it for every game? See ehn... Just go to Sofascore. Search Kelechi Nwakali... go to his matches tab... click on each game... go to lineups and click on Players' average position. After that click on the Huesca badge at the top of the dialog box that pops up and click on #8. It will bring out his entire heatmap for that game.



Here is an example below.

Nwakali vs Alcorcón on December 19, 2021.

Listed as a LW on Transfermrkt and also placed there in Sofascore's match lineup as futher forward but see his heatmap right below indicating he played a more central role.
So Yep, even sofascore can get lineup positions wrong but their heatmaps info is far more reliable.

Ultimately eye test shows you everything. Watching the games gives you a huge edge to see the difference.


So my man, at your own convenience... check out the rest. Go do your assignment. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TFLASHOGEE(m): 11:25am On Jan 06, 2022
do4luv14:



If you play by the rules, why report him, or did the mods told you there are blind

If you play by the rules, what are you doing outside the country

So we that are still in the country, and had survived endless gbas NGOs are retards, what does that makes you who runs away at the sound of a broken bottle

Anyway, An Idiot will always be an Idiot, no matter where he runs to,

E. O. D
comerade jeje wayo grin grin grin

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:25am On Jan 06, 2022
andrewbaba44:


You haven’t observed him closely ,so do you come to conclusion that he tends to miss more than he scores ?

Bro, if you could point out where a conclusion was drawn in that post, I would transfer the sum of 5000naira to your account immediately, make you take brew. No jokes

Do it, and then drop your aza via email make I credit you
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nelszx: 11:30am On Jan 06, 2022
TheSupernerd will like this.....Any sane person will pick this combo to at least get a chance to dictate the game. That was why Ghana lost yesterday, no CM and the Algerians played both AM and CM

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:35am On Jan 06, 2022
ChrisKels:


Bro, if you could point out where a conclusion was drawn in that post, I will transfer the sum of 5000naira to your account immediately, make you take brew. No jokes

Don it, and then drop your aza via email make I credit you

The handwriting is clear there ,and aside that even with a million naira offer I am not interested .

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:39am On Jan 06, 2022
humility33:

Awoniyi problem is him not been aggressive and hungry enough

There is something Oshimen and Ighalo brings when they play...They're always hungry and aggressive that alone is something expected of a striker...

Awoniyi is like the morientes kind of striker. A gentleman kind of striker.... not aggressive and that only will make me pick even Dessers ahead of him... I don't know much about Sadiq in that aspect

14 goals in 27 games so far this season and he isn’t even hungry

You can imagine him being hungry and aggressive,Omo Na lewandowski things be that ooo grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:43am On Jan 06, 2022
Damioduso1:
Super eagles cannot replace Odion Ighalo if his club will not release him for afcon. I have limit my expectations as regards the team ahead of the tournament no experience number 9 that will lead our attack in that squad going to afcon

So Ighalo's selfishness and Rohr's incompetence and lack of foresight will cost Dessers a place at the AFCON...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:44am On Jan 06, 2022
ChrisKels:


Idíat na gateman role you go give me, then put agbero like Andrew as a technical director? grin

cheesy

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 11:45am On Jan 06, 2022
Kog45:
Sir,Awoniyi cannot be Osimehn or Ighalo,he has his own style of play and this resulted to 14. goals this ongoing season......A player with 14 goals is not hungry? and you preferred Dessers with 4 goals to a striker doing it in top 5.

Sadiq is a good striker with technique,hope he comes to the party in this Afcon.

grin

Humility deserves Award as best Analyst of the Year.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:46am On Jan 06, 2022
nelszx:
TheSupernerd will like this.....Any sane person will pick this combo to at least get a chance to dictate the game. That was why Ghana lost yesterday, no CM and the Algerians played both AM and CM

Father in heaven!!! Just look at them! BALLERS! The sync and bonding has began. Make it happen please!!!!!


Imagine this was their first conversation....

Aribo to Nwakali: Hey Bro. What's up. Really love your passing range. That long ball to Iwobi? 45 yards pass? Damn, You got it bro. Wish I could do that consistently

Nwakali to Aribo (in Igbo accent grin): Thank you Joe. It comes natural but nna eh guy, I been think say my first touch dey kampe but your own na mega dieee... na celestial level mbok! Nna... how you dey do am sef? You bad ooo.




Supernerd (Me) somewhere nodding and hoping this is the beginning of a great Midfield bond. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:48am On Jan 06, 2022
andrewbaba44:


The handwriting is clear there ,and aside that even with a million naira offer I am not interested .

Hahahahahaha Oliseh nwanne m grin grin


I will rephrase the the statement in simpler terms; "I'm not sure, but Awoniyi tends to miss more than he scores"

Did you see anything wey be like conclusion when I dun already acknowledge say I no sure? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by humility33(m): 11:56am On Jan 06, 2022
Oasis001:


grin

Humility deserves Award as best Analyst of the Year.

Abeg leave me ohhgrin

I love the way oshimen and Ighalo puts up that aggressive stint same with Aghahowa, Yekini
I hate when a striker is too gentle and calm

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nelszx: 11:58am On Jan 06, 2022
Ebuehi may join the team in Cameroon today, their game has been postponed so he'll fly directly into Cameroon to join up with the lads.

As for Collins, the only possible reason for his absence may be that he contracted COVID-19 cos I do not still see reasons why he hasn't joined up with the squad yet or maybe na family issue (wife or gf to deliver)

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nelszx: 12:02pm On Jan 06, 2022
TheSuperNerd:


Father in heaven!!! Just look at them! BALLERS! The sync and bonding has began. Make it happen please!!!!!


Imagine this was their first conversation....

Aribo to Nwakali: Hey Bro. What's up. Really love your passing range. That long ball to Iwobi? 45 yards pass? Damn, You got it bro. Wish I could do that consistently

Nwakali to Aribo (in Igbo accent grin): Thank you Joe. It comes natural but nna eh guy, I been think say my first touch dey kampe but your own na mega dieee... na celestial level mbok! Nna... how you dey do am sef? You bad ooo.




Supernerd (Me) somewhere nodding and hoping this is the beginning of a great Midfield bond. grin



I just feel this pattern of formation will suit the team, especially the midfield triangle.
Ndidi sits at the 7
Nwakali at 6
Aribo at 8

My goodness

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by comodo: 12:07pm On Jan 06, 2022
IDENNAA:


That little fatt nigga shouldn't have access to internet , at all. The boy be nnukwu ezzi Bida!
Be like u be Onye ogbe Onitsha.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:10pm On Jan 06, 2022
@Bolded... 3-man midfield you obviously mean.

And nice analysis Egbon. This is actually one of the MF trio combos I discussed on Twitter if the plan is to play Onyeka alongside Ndidi with Ndidi to sit as the defensive shield and Onyeka to roam as the pressing machine. I told folks there that Ndidi-Onyeka together can work if they play alongside an actual Playmaker. Ejuke's name came up and Nwakali was also mentioned.

An Ndidi-Onyeka-Nwakali combo looks decent and can be utilised in some game situations.... we would have good measure of control and Onyeka's mobile pressing combined with Ndidi's rock-solid reliability in front of the defence and Nwakali's conduction would make us quite hard to get past. But Nwakali is not a die-hard goals getter like Aribo. He doesn't have Aribo's Lampard-esque thirst for goals close to the box.


...And then I reached a conclusion. And I will put it in bold.

ARIBO MUST NOT BE BENCHED. HE IS THE MOST SPECIAL WEAPON IN OUR MIDFIELD ARSENAL AND MUST BE UNLEASHED FROM THE START UNDER THE RIGHT TACTICAL SET-UP. PLAY HIM ALONGSIDE AN ACTUAL MF PLAYMAKER AND YOU WILL LIKELY SEE THE BEST OF ARIBO. In a nutshell, Aribo must start!!! And not just for the sake of starting him. He must start as our #10. Dude is something else close to the box. I cannot have such beast on the bench that can give you goals from midfield and offer up his workrate to cover grounds as well in defensive phases. Aribo will excel if he is Played close to the box, allowing him to exploit the gaps in the final third while a genuine Playmaker from deep does his thing and locates Aribo as one of the attacking options towards goal.


I say this because finding the right tactical balance in our Middle game is more about setting the Midfield up for almost all facets of Midfield plays: Attacking, conducting, Defending, pass recycling.

Aribo could be one of the finest revelations at this tournament if we play to his strengths and place a Playmaker alongside him, behind in deeper central areas.

I know it hasn't been tested but careful observation and analyses on my part tells me it can click.

No offence to Onyeka. He is a beast also. But he doesn't offer control in the middle like Nwakali does and is not as dangerous as Aribo close to the box even though he can bag a few goals occasionally.

Also, Nwakali and Aribo are better ball passers than Onyeka and better ball carriers as well. Ndidi's passing is also very much improved so pass recycling in the middle game will look much more assured with Nwakali, Aribo and Ndidi.


forgiveness:
If I have my way, from what I heard about Eguavoen’s philosophy (if true), I will play Nwakali in a 3 man defense alongside Ndidi and Onyeka. So that we can be balance in midfield and also use Nwakali’s ability to throw long passes. Hence, he will play slightly ahead of the Ndidi and Onyeka, and at the same time give him freedom to move around. But if not, Aribo should be the 3rd man in the midfield.

This will be my team.

.......................................Uzoho/Okoye

.Aina......Ekong .....Omerua....Zaidu

..............Ndidi.................Onyeka.........

..........................Nwakali/Aribo

Chuks................Awoniyi..’...Ejuke/Olayinka

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:12pm On Jan 06, 2022
ChrisKels:


Dude was that statement really that complex for you to easily decipher? Yes, English isn't our language but the simplest of it shouldn't be that hard to comprehend. What's the function the word "maybe" and what does the word "tend" really mean to you?

How could you talk about drawing a conclusion when there was a probable(maybe) preceeding your statement to authomatically give it a sense of uncertainty?

How did you pass GST101 grin

That’s what makes the matter worse. You are not sure you watched him closely but you believe he “tends” (regularly or possesses the ability to) misses chances.

My man, truly truly, English no bi our language but from what you wrote, I can see contradiction.

GES 101, I pass am wella. Is that what you call it in your school GST? grin

Surely surely! You no see de material before. How you come take pass am? Na joke I Dey ooo. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 12:19pm On Jan 06, 2022
Man's does not even edit. Just copy and paste

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:21pm On Jan 06, 2022
Subzero047:


Aribo is a very poor midfielder but has been the best player in the Scottish league from midfield, remind me what is Nwakali doing again?

Nwakali has the AFCON to show you guys what he is made of.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by PurpleHouse(m): 12:21pm On Jan 06, 2022
I don't know why I am terribly angery reading this update. Is that our NFF are balless or incompetence? Or they don't know the rules? Or they can't drag this people like Senegal dragged Watford?

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:24pm On Jan 06, 2022
elyte89:


Nwakali needs to b seen first playing b4 u can place him as important... Person wey we Neva c grin

You will soon see him.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:28pm On Jan 06, 2022
TheSuperNerd:


Thanks kee you diaaaa grin grin Taaaaaaaa!!! Gbafuo!!! grin
Who you wan give work? You no sabi the amount of screenshots I need to take to show it for every game? See ehn... Just go to Sofascore. Search Kelechi Nwakali... go to his matches tab... click on each game... go to lineups and click on Players' average position. After that click on the Huesca badge at the top of the dialog box that pops up and click on #8. It will bring out his entire heatmap for that game.



Here is an example below.

Nwakali vs Alcorcón on December 19, 2021.

Listed as a LW on Transfermrkt and also placed there in Sofascore's match lineup as futher forward but see his heatmap right below indicating he played a more central role.
So Yep, even sofascore can get lineup positions wrong but their heatmaps info is far more reliable.

Ultimately eye test shows you everything. Watching the games gives you a huge edge to see the difference.


So my man, at your own convenience... check out the rest. Go do your assignment. grin


Heatmaps in some cases don’t tell the position of the player but the movement of the player.

In situation where you have to park the bus, the striker will move along the middle of the field. Does that indicate he played as a CM?

If we look at the heatmaps of Man city’s defenders when they dominate teams, how will the heatmap look like?

The point remains that Nwakali has played as an AMF most times throughout his professional club career.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 12:34pm On Jan 06, 2022
Meliforme:


You will soon see him.
Seasons greeting meliforme it been a while
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:44pm On Jan 06, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
@Bolded... 3-man midfield you obviously mean.

And nice analysis Egbon. This is actually one of the MF trio combos I discussed on Twitter if the plan is to play Onyeka alongside Ndidi with Ndidi to sit as the defensive shield and Onyeka to roam as the pressing machine. I told folks there that Ndidi-Onyeka together can work if they play alongside an actual Playmaker. Ejuke's name came up and Nwakali was also mentioned.

An Ndidi-Onyeka-Nwakali combo looks decent and can be utilised in some game situations.... we would have good measure of control and Onyeka's mobile pressing combined with Ndidi's rock-solid reliability in front of the defence and Nwakali's conduction would make us quite hard to get past. But Nwakali is not a die-hard goals getter like Aribo. He doesn't have Aribo's Lampard-esque thirst for goals close to the box.


...And then I reached a conclusion. And I will put it in bold.

ARIBO MUST NOT BE BENCHED. HE IS THE MOST SPECIAL WEAPON IN OUR MIDFIELD ARSENAL AND MUST BE UNLEASHED FROM THE START UNDER THE RIGHT TACTICAL SET-UP. PLAY HIM ALONGSIDE AN ACTUAL MF PLAYMAKER AND YOU WILL LIKELY SEE THE BEST OF ARIBO. In a nutshell, Aribo must start!!! And not just for the sake of starting him. He must start as our #10. Dude is something else close to the box. I cannot have such beast on the bench that can give you goals from midfield and offer up his workrate to cover grounds as well in defensive phases. Aribo will excel if he is Played close to the box, allowing him to exploit the gaps in the final third while a genuine Playmaker from deep does his thing and locates Aribo as one of the attacking options towards goal.


I say this because finding the right tactical balance in our Middle game is more about setting the Midfield up for almost all facets of Midfield plays: Attacking, conducting, Defending, pass recycling.

Aribo could be one of the finest revelations at this tournament if we play to his strengths and place a Playmaker alongside him, behind in deeper central areas.

I know it hasn't been tested but careful observation and analyses on my part tells me it can click.

No offence to Onyeka. He is a beast also. But he doesn't offer control in the middle like Nwakali does and is not as dangerous as Aribo close to the box even though he can bag a few goals occasionally.

Also, Nwakali and Aribo are better ball passers than Onyeka and better ball carriers as well. Ndidi's passing is also very much improved so pass recycling in the middle game will look much more assured with Nwakali, Aribo and Ndidi.



The reason Man city could not dominate Brentford was because of Onyeka.

I don’t know if you watched the game.

Philosophy of the coach which some claimed to be the factor for Nwakali’s inclusion, was the bases of my opinion of playing Nwakali as an AMF because he can get that freedom to focus on playing long balls to the forwards without consciously thinking of defensive duties.

Not necessarily scoring goals but creating chances through long balls.

In addition, his defensive aspect is not trusted by me hence the need to support the midfield with two energetic players in the mold of Onyeka and Ndidi.

But if it has nothing to do with long balls or whatever philosophy of the coach, I don’t think I will pair him with only Ndidi instead play Aribo ahead.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ForG(m): 12:50pm On Jan 06, 2022
forgiveness post=:

Heatmaps in some cases don’t tell the position of the player but the movement of the player.

In situation where you have to park the bus, the striker will move along the middle of the field. Does that indicate he played as a CM?

If we look at the heatmaps of Man city’s defenders when they dominate teams, how will the heatmap look like?

The point remains that Nwakali has played as an AMF most times throughout his professional club career.

100% right.

From that same match, here are the heat maps of the strikers.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 12:54pm On Jan 06, 2022
andrewbaba44:


Una Dey make this osimhen miss too serious

Other strikers that’s available might just do the job well
Yes cos I rate Osimehn highly...if you don't know Awoniyi is my son but it would have been good to have Osimehn and Onuachu in this Afcon.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Samueltemi337(m): 12:55pm On Jan 06, 2022
Awoniyi chuks Ejuke and Olayinka will impress in this afcon

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:57pm On Jan 06, 2022
ForG:


100% right.

From that same match, here are the heat maps of the strikers.

That’s it. Both are strikers but one moved along the central field while the other moved near the opponent box 18.

Meaning, Nwakalis’ team parked the bus hence Nwaklis’ movement along the CMF. Thanks for this.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:59pm On Jan 06, 2022
Well, like already said. Ndidi-Nwakali-Aribo remains my first choice.

Ndidi-Onyeka-Nwakali is not a bad trio at all. I have already talked about the balance it also gives. Nwakali is not only adept at long balls but at through balls and lines-breaking passes which is part of why the Ndidi-Onyeka-Nwakali trio looks good theoretically and from analytical POVs merging their attributes.

But shaa, it depends on the opposition.

If it is Algeria we play, then I could consider an Ndidi-Onyeka-Nwakali trio from the start ahead of my first choice trio. It gives us mad energy, solidity, workrate X100 and some measure of control, calm and conduction.

But against some other teams like Ghana or Co... Ndidi-Nwakali-Aribo can more than hold the forte from the start.

It's just my thinking that Aribo could come really good at this tournament. But he is not alone. Nwakali is yet another weapon... But from deep. Aribo is the goal threat in through the middle that can add to whatever goal threats we boast from the wings and in the CF role. He is the attack overload joker.


forgiveness:


The reason Man city could not dominate Brentford was because of Onyeka.

I don’t know if you watched the game.

Philosophy of the coach which some claimed to be factor for Nwakali’s inclusion, was the bases of my opinion of playing Nwakali as an AMF because he can get that freedom to focus on playing long balls to the forwards without consciously thinking of defensive duties.

Not necessarily scoring goals but creating chances through long balls.

In addition, his defensive aspect is not trusted by me hence the need to support the midfield with two energetic players in the mold of Onyeka and Ndidi.

But it has nothing to do with long balls or whatever philosophy of the coach, I don’t think I will pair him with only Ndidi and play Aribo ahead.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 1:02pm On Jan 06, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
Well, like already said. Ndidi-Nwakali-Aribo remains my first choice.

Ndidi-Onyeka-Nwakali is not a bad trio at all. I have already talked about the balance it also gives. Nwakali is not only adept at long balls but at through balls and lines-breaking passes which is part of why the Ndidi-Onyeka-Nwakali trio looks good theoretically and from analytical POVs merging their attributes.

But shaa, it depends on the opposition.

If it is Algeria we play, then I could consider an Ndidi-Onyeka-Nwakali trio from the start ahead of my first choice trio. It gives us mad energy, solidity, workrate X100 and some measure of control, calm and conduction.

But against some other teams like Ghana or Co... Ndidi-Nwakali-Aribo can more than hold the forte from the start.

It's just my thinking that Aribo could came really good at this tournament. But he is not alone. Nwakali is yet another weapon... But from deep. Aribo is the goal threat in through the middle that can add to whatever goal threats we boast from the wings and in the CF role. He is the attack overload joker.





kuku add rabiu Ibrahim

Atleast em shine for u17 world as well

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 1:08pm On Jan 06, 2022
Kog45:
Yes cos I rate Osimehn highly...if you don't know Awoniyi is my son but it would have been good to have Osimehn and Onuachu in this Afcon.

Not our fault that osimhen and onuachu are both out jare

One of sadiq or Awoniyi Might just surprise us

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