Zaggafrank:
Look at Ethiopia! There was a political disagreement and the tigrayan regional security forces are today at war with the federal security forces of Ethiopia. Nigeria has some of the worst bigots in the world and any attempt at empowering them in the name of state police will go very badly for the country. Imagine if Jonah Kang had state police, he would have used it to deal with the ANPP candidates who won the local government election in Jos North because he claimed they were not indigenes of the state

You must be absolutely CRAZY! I was around when the so called settler Muslim minorities took up arms to fight and kill innocents back in 2008. In fact, in cases where the Rukuba GOC was a Muslim, these lunatic settlers will demand these soldiers roll the streets with amour tanks and point at every Christian house and neighborhood for heavy shelling! Lots of beloved Christian bothers and sisters died as a result...

Whether you like it or not...massive events beyond your control have already been set into motion that you and all your Federal might cannot control. The heavens have seen all your vile evil and wicked plans and you will be stopped....

The very weapons you trust to give you power over others, will be the same weapons that will haunt you down. You cannot force an artificial co-existence where it was never meant to be. You have your "Hausa Bakwai". Is it so bad there for you now?

heniford2:
In USA each state has its own state police then we have federal police who supervisor or is above the state, the local government issues is the state government should state is own budget and the local government should also do same,then funds are been transferred to local government for proper use, buhari is a lazy man a big one and has nothing upstairs

What you said is right, I have thought about this same thing a long time a go but one thing I want you to know is that America is different from Nigeria. America as a country ensure that each of its security agency has independence and there is also check and balances among the security institutions from the federal security agencies to the local security agencies and that is not possible in Nigeria, everything in this country is politicalized. DSS, NIA and EFCC are nice security organizations but they have been bastardized, they are not working according to their portfolios, they listen to orders from politics.

backbencher:


PDP is as useless as your party. GEJ, Yaradua and Obj are as useless as Buhari.

They all ran oil dependent economies.

For reasons why I don't support both parties...see here, here and here.

Some of us don't support either party, and some of us have a poor opinion of all Nigerian governments, past and present.

Till I see a Nigerian government facing the fact that we cannot rely on revenue from selling raw materails forever, and need to improve tax collection and industrial growth....



Then allow me to put Nigeria above your party and their party pdp, APC man.

Fair enough.
But FYI, I'm NOT, WILL NOT and can NEVER be an APC man.
I just love and support Bubu.

Not an but ONLY option

Sebastine1994:
I hate buhari but hiß talk make sense 100%>

When you dash governor's power without accountability, they will do and undo. State police works in America because the citizens are politically active.

State police is not the answer to our problem, but citizens speaking with one voice and we would get whatever we want in life. Trust me.

If all boys decide to speak with one voice we would end government manipulation.

Can you name any country where people speak with one voice?

Nicenixon:
What you said is right, I have thought about this same thing a long time a go but one thing I want you to know is that America is different from Nigeria. America as a country ensure that each of its security agency has independence and there is also check and balances among the security institutions from the federal security agencies to the local security agencies and that is not possible in Nigeria, everything in this country is politicalized. DSS, NIA and EFCC are nice security organizations but they have been bastardized, they are not working according to their portfolios, they listen to orders from politics.

why do you say is impossible imagine the IG of your state police from your village and he messed up wouldn't you guys visit his house for proper explanation of his action, is easy and possible to achieve in Nigeria

heniford2:
why do you say is impossible imagine the IG of your state police from your village and he messed up wouldn't you guys visit his house for proper explanation of his action, is easy and possible to achieve in Nigeria

You are right but what I am trying to say is that state police will be terrible in the sense that the state governor can use them to play politics thereby causing havoc on the citizens. Nigeria political leaders will always abuse power through the use security agencies. Imagine Fayose, the former governor of Ekiti state had state police then, it would been very horrible.

Nicenixon:
You are right but what I am trying to say is that state police will be terrible in the sense that the state governor can use them to play politics thereby causing havoc on the citizens. Nigeria political leaders will always abuse power through the use security agencies. Imagine Fayose, the former governor of Ekiti state had state police then, it would been very horrible.

you make the state police none depends on state funds doing so the can work effectively .

backbencher:


It starts with

1.Nigerians being willing to pay the taxes for good state police.

2.Nigerians being ready to pay the price for a working democratic system...including things like tolerance for all.

pay the price in what aspect?

Ibrahim3307:
pay the price in what aspect?

IN brief, or the TLDR...taking a more active part in the democratic process....

backbencher:


IN brief, or the TLDR...taking a more active part in the democratic process....

okay I understand

sangresan:


You're talking about the symptoms of a deep-lying disease which is our warped political system. America has had more power-drunk governors than Nigeria. Most of what we see in Nigeria is child's play compared to what has happened in the American democracy.

But the fact remains that community or state police is a fundamental criteria of a federation. Without it, a federation can never be a federation.

Forget about the noise that governors will abuse it. Those things can be corrected by legislations.

True!

backbencher:


1.Most African countries have bad power supply like Nigeria does. What they do is supply their urban areas at the expense of their rural areas, unlike Nigeria that tries to give power to everyone(see the map below...access to power)

Plus Nigerians are not ready to pay for 24 hour power the same way we pay for 24 hour access to GSM service. And I'll leave it at that.

2.As for police force, Nigerians aren't democratically active enough to make it work (AS Pointed elsewhere) and then when only 30% of the taxable adults pay income tax, and oil prices are going down, and will go down in the near future, funding is going to be an issue.

3.And Nigeria is an autocratic and tribal society. State police in such a society would be a disaster. (That's why most African countries don't have state police either.).

We are talking about power houses counties. Most of them like Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Libya, South Africa, Bowstwana, etc all have stable electricity. That is my point. Not poor countries.

And I hate it when people paint a picture of hopelessness. Nigeria is tribal society this and that. Who forced Nigeria to be the way it is? What is stopping Nigeria from reworking her constitution and allow for true federalism which is applicable in a multi ethnic country like Nigeria? Who forced Nigeria to force all ethnic groups into one unitary system?

So what u are saying is that Nigeria has no hope and it should continue the way it is? Do u know how many people are getting killed daily due to how our police is structured? Nigeria is the most diversified country in Africa. Yet, we run unitary federal system of govt. It is madness.
It is total madness.
Where there are problems, u create solutions. That is it. But Nigerians don't want to create solutions, they just want to give list of excuses why they keep having same problem over and over again.
South Africa for instance has 3 capital cities. This helps spread their central govt across major cities and people will feel the impact of their three executive arms of govt in these three cities. They came up with an idea that worked for them. No, Nigeria centered everything in Abuja, no creativity to solve the dynamic nature of Nigeria, all we do is give excuse of how big we are that is why we are having problems as if anyone forced us to be large and live as one.
Baba, I was in Ghana and the electricity supply is far better here. My friend was in Egypt, the same thing, I have friends in South Africa, the same thing. My American friend has traveled to 9 African countries, I was on vacation with him recently. And said to me that Nigeria has the worse roads and electricity in the counties he has visited.
Nigeria is a very useless country. And people like u give excuse for her uselessness.

YES IT IS. IT'S THE KEY TO FINDING LASTING PEACE IN NIGERIA.

Amah70:


In bold:

Feudalism has come to Nigeria from the worst form of unitary government system.

Those clamoring for political restructuring of Nigeria to full and fiscal federalism watch with mouth agape.

Feudalism was originally the system of government in the North during the pre-colonial era. They were already shelving it and then the Unitary government came and ever since then, we've not had anything "Federal" in our structure again.

ugom123:


We are talking about power houses counties. Most of them like Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Libya, South Africa, Bowstwana, etc all have stable electricity. That is my point. Not poor countries.

And I hate it when people paint a picture of hopelessness. Nigeria is tribal society this and that. Who forced Nigeria to be the way it is? What is stopping Nigeria from reworking her constitution and allow for true federalism which is applicable in a multi ethnic country like Nigeria? Who forced Nigeria to force all ethnic groups into one unitary system?

So what u are saying is that Nigeria has no hope and it should continue the way it is? Do u know how many people are getting killed daily due to how our police is structured? Nigeria is the most diversified country in Africa. Yet, we run unitary federal system of govt. It is madness.
It is total madness.
Where there are problems, u create solutions. That is it. But Nigerians don't want to create solutions, they just want to give list of excuses why they keep having same problem over and over again.
South Africa for instance has 3 capital cities. This helps spread their central govt across major cities and people will feel the impact of their three executive arms of govt in these three cities. They came up with an idea that worked for them. No, Nigeria centered everything in Abuja, no creativity to solve the dynamic nature of Nigeria, all we do is give excuse of how big we are that is why we are having problems as if anyone forced us to be large and live as one.
Baba, I was in Ghana and the electricity supply is far better here. My friend was in Egypt, the same thing, I have friends in South Africa, the same thing. My American friend has traveled to 9 African countries, I was on vacation with him recently. And said to me that Nigeria has the worse roads and electricity in the counties he has visited.
Nigeria is a very useless country. And people like u give excuse for her uselessness.

Well, all the powerhouse countries have stable power because people are ready to pay to get power 24 hours a day, and the power companies end up having enough profit to fix, maintain, expand facilites, and pay staff salaries

Or like Botswana, are resource dependent countries with tiny populations.

We can have power 24/7 if government allows discos and gencos to set the price of power, plus Nigerians pay their power/electricity bills and stop attacking disco and genco workers, stop bypassing meters, and stop stealing power. And stop hailing those who steal power.

It is that simple. That's what other countries, including the one you mentioned do. Does Ghana allow people to steal power? Does SOuth African government force ESKOM to sell power at a loss? Do those other countries not disconnect defaulters who do not pay?

SO, drop the long grammar. When we are ready to pay for 24 hour power, we will get 24 hour power. Take it or leave it. When we see power as a business and not a charity , we will get 24 hour power.

Like we do for GSM. We pay them for good service, we get good service. At least better than it was 20 years ago.

backbencher:


Well, all the powerhouse countries have stable power because people are ready to pay to get power 24 hours a day, and the power companies end up having enough profit to fix, maintain, expand facilites, and pay staff salaries

Or like Botswana, are resource dependent countries with tiny populations.

We can have power 24/7 if government allows discos and gencos to set the price of power, plus Nigerians pay their power/electricity bills and stop attacking disco and genco workers, stop bypassing meters, and stop stealing power. And stop hailing those who steal power.

It is that simple. That's what other countries, including the one you mentioned do. Does Ghana allow people to steal power? Does SOuth African government force ESKOM to sell power at a loss? Do those other countries not disconnect defaulters who do not pay?

SO, drop the long grammar. When we are ready to pay for 24 hour power, we will get 24 hour power. Take it or leave it. When we see power as a business and not a charity , we will get 24 hour power.

Like we do for GSM. We pay them for good service, we get good service. At least better than it was 20 years ago.

If u run a system of govt that is devoid of ethnic sentiment where all that matter is ethnic domination, these things will work. U run a system of govt where all that matters for North for example is to rule even if the rulers has no sense. No country for instance deserves buhari as a president. He can't even answer questions properly and so soaked into tribalism.
U run a system of govt that promotes states to be lazy where states will earn money even if they worked or not. How do u guys think this will work?
U run a system of govt where federating states have been made so weak that they can't survive except they are loyal to Abuja, where they can't secure them selves, where herdsmen can kill u in ur farm or destroy ur farm lands and when they are arrested, there must be one Fulani sympathizer at the head of the security unit to protect him? How do u get a country working like that and people will pay?

How do u get a country working when there is tribalism in eveything where infrastructures are denied to some people by central govt even though these people are very productive as humans?

See, Nigeria will never ever work. Even in 70 years, if we are still alive, we still be singing same sung.

Nigeria is a deceitful element built on pure ethnic domination.
it cant work. U want people to pay for electricity when millions of Nigerians are fvcking poor. I mean people earn less than 100 dollars a month here and they will pay for which electricity with which money? These countries u mentioned, have u checked their middle class and minimum wages compare to yours?
Nigeria has a terrible foundation and it won't work. I'm glad u even confirmed it. So, no solution

ugom123:


If u run a system of govt that is devoid of ethnic sentiment where all that matter is ethnic domination, these things will work. U run a system of govt where all that matters for North for example is to rule even if the rulers has no sense. No country for instance deserves buhari as a president. He can't even answer questions properly and so soaked into tribalism.
U run a system of govt that promotes states to be lazy where states will earn money even if they worked or not. How do u guys think this will work?
U run a system of govt where federating states have been made so weak that they can't survive except they are loyal to Abuja, where they can't secure them selves, where herdsmen can kill u in ur farm or destroy ur farm lands and when they are arrested, there must be one Fulani sympathizer at the head of the security unit to protect him? How do u get a country working like that and people will pay?

How do u get a country working when there is tribalism in eveything where infrastructures are denied to some people by central govt even though these people are very productive as humans?

See, Nigeria will never ever work. Even in 70 years, if we are still alive, we still be singing same sung.

Nigeria is a deceitful element built on pure ethnic domination.
it cant work. U want people to pay for electricity when millions of Nigerians are fvcking poor. I mean people earn less than 100 dollars a month here and they will pay for which electricity with which money? These countries u mentioned, have u checked their middle class and minimum wages compare to yours?
Nigeria has a terrible foundation and it won't work. I'm glad u even confirmed it. So, no solution

Foundation or no foundation, if 40% of my customers don't pay me for the service i offer, plus the price of the service i offer is not set by me but by an external force, and is kept at a point that prevents me from making a profit so as to help the poor, and the resulting losses are not adequately covered by government subsides, which are irregular anyway, would you expect me to offer good service?

The above is how we treat our power service provider, both during the time under government and as a private company. We run it at a loss to help the poor. And as a result, no profit to make things improve

We sell power below N70 per kwh, when we should be selling it at N80-100 per kwh, meaning they make a loss, and you expect miracles?

You want free light. Well, there is no such thing as free lunch or electric power.

Stop all this long story and magical thinking. Till we are ready to pay for 24 hour power, not 6 hour power, we won't get 24 hour power. Whether we restructure, divide or federalize Nigeria, we cannot get power at a price less than the cost of production. Whether we defeat tribalism, or put the right people in charge, selling power at a loss does not guarantee good service power wise.

Sorry to burst your bubbles.

backbencher:


Foundation or no foundation, if 40% of my customers don't pay me for the service i offer, plus the price of the service i offer is not set by me but by an external force, and is kept at a point that prevents me from making a profit so as to help the poor, and the resulting losses are not adequately covered by government subsides, which are irregular anyway, would you expect me to offer good service?

The above is how we treat our power service provider, both during the time under government and as a private company. We run it at a loss to help the poor. And as a result, no profit to make things improve

We sell power below N70 per kwh, when we should be selling it at N80-100 per kwh, meaning they make a loss, and you expect miracles?

You want free light. Well, there is no such thing as free lunch or electric power.

Stop all this long story and magical thinking. Till we are ready to pay for 24 hour power, not 6 hour power, we won't get 24 hour power. Whether we restructure, divide or federalize Nigeria, we cannot get power at a price less than the cost of production. Whether we defeat tribalism, or put the right people in charge, selling power at a loss does not guarantee good service power wise.

Sorry to burst your bubbles.

U are funny bro. U don't even think about the foundational causes of what u mentioned. From which money will Nigerians pay for the heavy electricity? U are not getting it. Nigerians are very poor. The middle class is super weak.
How many people in Nigeria drive decent cars to start with? Nigerians are very struggling people are spend over 70 percent of their yearly income in feeding and rents. They can't afford many things and they are poorly paid. So, where will they get money to buy what u are talking about?

For Nigerians to be comfortable middle class, Nigeria needs to run a real federal system of govt so that the middle class gotten from hard working people can comfortably afford these things.
U RUN SCREWED POLITICAL SYSTEM THAT IS SOAKED INTO TRIBALISM AND ETHNIC DOMINATION. THAT IS WHY NOTHING IS WORKING. NOTHING.
NOT ELECTRICITY, NOT FG UNIVERSITY, NOT ROADS, NOT WATER, NOT AIRPORTS, NOT HEALTH CARE, NOTHING IS DAM WORKING BECAUSE NIGERIANS ARE VERY POOR, EXTTEMELY UNDERPAID AND CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR GOOD THINGS OF LIFE.
HOW MANY NIGERIANS DO U THINK HAVE OVER 500K IN THIR ACCOUNTS COMPARED TO THE TOTAL POPULATION.

Yes, u said Nigeria's electricity is poorly funded. Yes. That is true. But how do u fix that? U fix it by running true federalism that will enable the resourceful states and citizens fund their vanity, not this useless system u have where funds are collected and shared to all. The system Nigeria practices works like this:

It is like a man who decides to have 20 children while he is not earning decently to take care of them. Then, u that u have worked hard to take care of ur self and ur two kids, tax men will now take part of ur earning or all of it, and share to the man who has 20 kids and share to u.
that is what Nigerian runs. This system makes u who earned ur money to struggle because ur income was taken from u. It also makes the man who has 20 kids to remain lazy for ever because he will surely get a token from ur sweat.
Nigerians know their solution and they can fix it if they want. But no, because of ethnic domination mindset of some ethnic groups, it won't be fixed.

ugom123:


U are funny bro. U don't even think about the foundational causes of what u mentioned. From which money will Nigerians pay for the heavy electricity? U are not getting it. Nigerians are very poor. The middle class is super weak.
How many people in Nigeria drive decent cars to start with? Nigerians are very struggling people are spend over 70 percent of their yearly income in feeding and rents. They can't afford many things and they are poorly paid. So, where will they get money to buy what u are talking about?

For Nigerians to be comfortable middle class, Nigeria needs to run a real federal system of govt so that the middle class gotten from hard working people can comfortably afford these things.
U RUN SCREWED POLITICAL SYSTEM THAT IS SOAKED INTO TRIBALISM AND ETHNIC DOMINATION. THAT IS WHY NOTHING IS WORKING. NOTHING.
NOT ELECTRICITY, NOT FG UNIVERSITY, NOT ROADS, NOT WATER, NOT AIRPORTS, NOT HEALTH CARE, NOTHING IS DAM WORKING BECAUSE NIGERIANS ARE VERY POOR, EXTTEMELY UNDERPAID AND CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR GOOD THINGS OF LIFE.
HOW MANY NIGERIANS DO U THINK HAVE OVER 500K IN THIR ACCOUNTS COMPARED TO THE TOTAL POPULATION.

Yes, u said Nigeria's electricity is poorly funded. Yes. That is true. But how do u fix that? U fix it by running true federalism that will enable the resourceful states and citizens fund their vanity, not this useless system u have where funds are collected and shared to all. The system Nigeria practices works like this:

It is like a man who decides to have 20 children while he is not earning decently to take care of them. Then, u that u have worked hard to take care of ur self and ur two kids, tax men will now take part of ur earning or all of it, and share to the man who has 20 kids and share to u.
that is what Nigerian runs. This system makes u who earned ur money to struggle because ur income was taken from u. It also makes the man who has 20 kids to remain lazy for ever because he will surely get a token from ur sweat.
Nigerians know their solution and they can fix it if they want. But no, because of ethnic domination mindset of some ethnic groups, it won't be fixed.

Run for office then. Do.something.

Omicronvaccine:


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Lalasticlala
Mynd44

After seeing what is transpiring between Gov Uzodinma and ex Gov Okorocha in Imo State I have now been forced to agree with Buhari

But it is still possible to have a very lightly Armed State Police that Specialises In intelligence Gathering like UK’s MI5 to make things easy for the Federal Police and other Security agencies by identifying and locating all potential Crimes and Criminals before they happen and taking y them to Court

They should also have authority to issue fines for minor Offences

ivolt:

Buhari has done nothing meaningful actually.
Since the constitution recognizes LG, then the problem is easy.

Set up separate allocation accounts for LG.
Make a law abolishing caretaker chairman and transfer of LG allocation to the state.
Set up an anti-corruption agency to monitor LG fund usage within the LG.

With this, the LG will be as free as the state governor.

You'll need a constitutional amendment to eliminate joint accounts. The issue is the the state assemblies havs refuse pass it. Who knows if yours isn't among them. NFIU actually tracks local government fund as Buhari ordered.

1999 constitution: section 162

6. Each State shall maintain a special account to be called “State Joint Local Government Account” into which shall be paid all allocations to the local government councils of the State from the Federation Account and from the Government of the State.

7. Each State shall pay to local government councils in its area of jurisdiction such proportion of its total revenue on such terms and in such manner as may be prescribed by the National Assembly.

8. The amount standing to the credit of local government councils of a State shall be distributed among the local government councils of that State on such terms and in such manner as may be prescribed by the House of Assembly of the State.

backbencher:


Run for office then. Do.something.

Credible people will run for office and will lose because of your faulty and useless constitution which was designed to be suppressive. Nigeria can never ever make progress except she is ready to renegotiate her foundational existence.

Look at today alone, there were reported Killings of villagers by herdsmen in Enugu and Ondo state communities... Ur police system can't protect these people because it is overly centralized. These communities are been invaded every day and Killings happening.

If u had a localized police system, the people can form their own security and use AK47 and other guns and weapons to protect their communities and states. But the current system doesn't give them the power to do so. While bandits carry AK47 to kill people at night for refusing them to destroy their farm land, the local vigilante men use mumum gun that can't withstand the fire power of AK47 because that is what the law can permit them to use.

If the people decide to form illegal well armed security unit to fight the bandits, the FG will send thousands of well armed soldiers to fight them.
what matter of country succeed with this type of biasness? Oh my gush.

J3susFr3ak:


Emma..when would you grow up? The so-called North sure likes the economic benefits coming from down South and so do think about them A LOT! And this is why they also want to control all the security structures under a Federal System to keep on perpetuating all these injustices!

At least when there is a real restructuring and a State Policing system emerges--injustices can be clearly tracked and accounted for unlike the current system where anyone with connections to Abuja can go scot-free.

Even I will apply for a gun license when the State Governors are in full control of issuing these to their responsible citizens for their self-defense. What is good for the primitive herder under this Federal System is also good for the civilized sane people under a law conscious State security system....

Well imagine what El-rufai will do to:
Paul Eneche
NLC President, Ayuba Wabba
What Uzodinma will do to:
Uche Nwosu
Rochas Okorocha
Ihedioha.
To be frank with you El-rufai is an adovocate of state policing but the problem is that before you are elected President you are a father or mother of the nation but a governor might be to full of ethnicity. Check rufai, 2016-17 report on Nigeria's security. Let's think as Patriots not apostles of Ethnicity.