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Yeah the prophets were aware that a Messiah would come. They spoke concerning him through prophecy. They they didn't know him in person or worshipped him before he came to the world.

tctrills:
Is that what the bible said or is it your opinion? The wise men that worshiped Jesus clearly knew something. Simeon that blessed baby Jesus knew something
Acts 10:43 : "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name

Kobojunkie:
Again, try to pay attention to what is being said to you rather than jumping to baseless conclusions.

Scripture does not exist in your Bible alone. That I quote from it does not then mean I believe in your Bible or that I share in the ridiculous idea that it is holy and all the other jargons that have been included in the church vocabulary where your Bible is concerned.
Also the fact that we once had a discussion where I clued you into the fact that the Gospels,not the letters of the apostles, constitute God's Word to us through Jesus Christ.

God's Word exists outside of and beyond that book you call your Bible. If you can wrap your mind around it, you can maybe understand how ridiculous the canonization exercises by your churches were to begin with.

I used to think you are JW but now I know you are not. I apologize to all the JWs on this thread. I honestly thought you were one of them

cornelboy:
Yeah the prophets were aware that a Messiah would come. They spoke concerning him through prophecy. They they didn't know him in person or worshipped him before he came to the world.

You really don't know that do you? You are just guessing. Every single person that had the spirit of prophecy had a testimony of Jesus Christ. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, Rev 19:9 -10
also, read 1 Corinthians 10

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Yes thank you.
Jesus was trying to explain that he's greater than David.

Luke 20:42, Psalm 110:1 KJV
[42]And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD (Jehovah) said unto my Lord (Jesus), Sit thou on my right hand,"
God inspired David through the holy spirit to write that. It's kind of a prophecy.

Rosement:
(Luke 20:41-44)
41. And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
42. And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
43. Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
44. David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

tctrills:
wow. just wow. So God is basically the one to blame for satans bad bahaviour. This is exciting.

Satan works for God. Anyone who is honest enough, after reading scripture, would understand this.

Satan's seems to play the role of a quality control manager, tester of sorts, testing men for worthiness.

Kobojunkie:
Satan works for God. Anyone who is honest enough, after reading scripture, would understand this.

So what's the whole purpose of Life. This is just a big game for you. You think Life is the squid games right?

tctrills:
So what's the whole purpose of Life. This is just a big game for you.

Purpose of life?

God created man in order to source for Himself Sons of God, and a worthy people with which to repopulate His New Heaven and Earth with.

And Satan is God's quality control man to aid in weeding out the unworthy from the bunch.

Kobojunkie:
Purpose of life?

God created man in order to source for Himself Sons of God, and a worthy people with which to repopulate His New Heaven and Earth with.

Repopulate? what happened to the first population.

tctrills:
Repopulate? what happened to the first population.

Judgement day happens to then when Jesus Christ returns. Read what He said to you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 and in Matthew 19 vs 16 - 30

Kobojunkie:
Judgement day happens to then when Jesus Christ returns. Read what He said to you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 and in Matthew 19 vs 16 - 30

What are you talking about. You got me lost.

cornelboy:
Yes thank you.
Jesus was trying to explain that he's greater than David.

Luke 20:42, Psalm 110:1 KJV
[42]And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD (Jehovah) said unto my Lord (Jesus), Sit thou on my right hand,"
God inspired David through the holy spirit to write that. It's kind of a prophecy.

Jesus is God, apart from God no other immortal being was referenced by Godly people. Why did David not refer to seven spirits and twenty-elders anywhere in Psalms? You guys (jws) are fond of looking for unrealistic ways of twisting the Bible. Even a primary one pupil will be amazed if he sees this comment. Guy, why did you do this to yourself, you have just exposed yourself, a lot of people must have noticed the level of your IQ by now. You know what I can't do these any more, I won't fetch water into a basket. Believe whatever makes you sleep well at night.

Do have a good rest!

Don't let's drag unnecessarily.
Jesus the messiah was known after he came into the world. The wise men were first to see him except the shepherd and his parents and they worshipped (prostrated or pay homage to) him.

The prophet knew Christ would be coming through prophecy but they are not aware of his identity and they didn't worship him before he came to the world.

tctrills:
You really don't know that do you? You are just guessing. Every single person that had the spirit of prophecy had a testimony of Jesus Christ. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, Rev 19:9 -10
also, read 1 Corinthians 10

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

tctrills:
What are you talking about. You got me lost.

You need to read the Gospels because Jesus Christ taught these things to His followers in there.

cornelboy:
Don't let's drag unnecessarily.
Jesus the messiah was known after he came into the world. The wise men were first to see him except the shepherd and his parents and they worshipped (prostrated or pay homage to) him.

The prophet knew Christ would be coming through prophecy but they are not aware of his identity and they didn't worship him before he came to the world.

purely your opinion not what any single scripture teaches. I just showed you where the bible says that the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. All the prophets testified of him. So where did you get the idea that they did not know him? What about simoen that blessed baby Jesus. Really where do you get these from clearly not from the bible

I'm not forcing the truth on anyone. But the seed has been sown. It's left for you you to make it germinate if your heart is really yearning for the truth.

The fact is that the passage you quoted reference two distinct persons, LORD and Lord that's Jehovah and Jesus.

Rosement:
Jesus is God, apart from God no other immortal being was referenced by Godly people. Why did David not refer to seven spirits and twenty-elders anywhere in Psalms? You guys (jws) are fond of looking for unrealistic way of twisting the Bible. Even a primary one pupil will be amazed if he sees this comment. Guy, why did you do this to yourself, you have just exposed yourself, a lot of people must have noticed the level IQ by time. You know what I can't do these any more, I won't fetch water into a basket. Believe whatever makes you sleep well at night.

Do have a good rest!

Kobojunkie:
You need to read the Gospels because Jesus Christ taught these things to His followers in there.

please quote and I would read

cornelboy:
Don't let's drag unnecessarily.
Jesus the messiah was known after he came into the world. The wise men were first to see him except the shepherd and his parents and they worshipped (prostrated or pay homage to) him.

The prophet knew Christ would be coming through prophecy but they are not aware of his identity and they didn't worship him before he came to the world.

My brother, I feel safer believing what the bible says than your personal opinion. Did David not clearly testify of Jesus Christ in the psalms?

read some of what Isaiah said about him.
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

cornelboy:
I'm not forcing the truth on anyone. But the seed has been sown. It's left for you you to make it germinate if your heart is really yearning for the truth.

The fact is that the passage you quoted reference two distinct persons, LORD and Lord that's Jehovah and Jesus.

If you are not forcing your lies on others, then stop criticizing Christianity. Jesus, the Son is Equal with the Father. This is our belief and we will continue to belief this. You are free to convert if you don't accept. We really don't care, don't expect our doctrines to change because of you.

Jesus called Himself God in the Bible.
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

(John 17: 5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

(John 5:16-23)
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus said that He is the son of God, He never said the Son is less than the Father, instead He even explained that the Son is equal with the Father. His dependency on His Father does not mean that He is less than His Father, it only explains the difference between their roles, just like husbands and wives have different roles to perform in their families. The Jews understood what He meant very well that was why they wanted to kill Him.

(John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, they are all equal. It was only when Jesus was in the world that He considered Himself lower than God because He came to the world fully in human form, not in His Godly form.

(Philippians 2)
6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

(John 14)
6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

(Matthew 28)
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

(Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

(Genesis 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

(John 20)
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

People have been worshipping Jesus since the time He was born. He wants us to worship Him as God, there are a lot of verses in the Bible where Jesus allowed people to worship Him. Follow your own religion. Bible is for Christians, we will continue to read and believe what will see in our Bible. We don't read the books of other religions, talkless of debating their doctrines or books.

tctrills:
please quote and I would read

I don't understand.

Kobojunkie:
I don't understand.

Give me the verses so I can read

cornelboy:
Don't let's drag unnecessarily.
Jesus the messiah was known after he came into the world. The wise men were first to see him except the shepherd and his parents and they worshipped (prostrated or pay homage to) him.

The prophet knew Christ would be coming through prophecy but they are not aware of his identity and they didn't worship him before he came to the world.

Do you really believe that God hid Jesus Christ and salvation from people in the old testament? Do you believe all the faithful servants of God Did not Know Christ? They knew him just as much as you and I.

Your comments make me feel your a 10 years old kid.

All the prophet testified of him as what or of what or how did they testify of him?

Simeon knew about the law and the prophecies (every Jews were expecting the Messiah) bout the Messiah and God promised him he would not taste death untill he saw the Messiah.

Testify; To make a declaration, or give evidence, under oath.
To make a statement based on personal knowledge or faith.
Testifying of him doesn't mean they knew him or his identity. They don't even know he would be named Jesus.

tctrills:
purely your opinion not what any single scripture teaches. I just showed you where the bible says that the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. All the prophets testified of him. So where did you get the idea that they did not know him? What about simoen that blessed baby Jesus. Really where do you get these from clearly not from the bible

cornelboy:
Your comments make me feel your a 10 years old kid.

All the prophet testified of him as what or of what or how did they testify of him?

Simeon knew about the law and the prophecies (every Jews were expecting the Messiah) bout the Messiah and God promised him he would not taste death untill he saw the Messiah.

Testify; To make a declaration, or give evidence, under oath.
To make a statement based on personal knowledge or faith.
Testifying of him doesn't mean they knew him or his identity. They don't even know he would be named Jesus.

Do you declare what you don't know? THESE MEN TESTIFIED ABOUT WHAT THEY KNEW. we don't know if they knew he would be named Jesus. But let's assume it's true, That counts for nothing. They knew and testified about his birth and sacrifice. They had faith Just as you do. The same way you have not seen Jesus and you believe by faith. Please unless you are sure that the men of old did not know anything about Christ, I think you should let people know that this is your personal opinion.And its not at all scriptural.

tctrills:
Give me the verses so I can read

I did that earlier

Judgement day happens to then when Jesus Christ returns. Read what He said to you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 and in Matthew 19 vs 16 - 30

Kobojunkie:
I did that earlier

Judgement day happens to then when Jesus Christ returns. Read what He said to you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 and in Matthew 19 vs 16 - 30

These scriptures have nothing to do with repopulating heaven and earth. and all the things you are claiming about God's teamwork with satan. The verses are saying a different thing from what you claim.
What does the parable of sheep and Goat have to do with repopulating heaven?

tctrills:
These scriptures have nothing to do with repopulating heaven and earth. and all the things you are claiming about God's teamwork with satan. The verses are saying a different thing from what you claim.
What does the parable of sheep and Goat have to do with repopulating heaven?

The one is reference to judgment to come , the other reveals what awaits His disciples is the New Heaven/Earth to come

Omo see wahala o.
Where are the verses which proved that the prophet knew Jesus in person or worshipped him or know when he would come to the word?
Even Jews in his time when he finally came to them, they didn't believe him as the Messiah rather they wanted to kill him.

tctrills:
My brother, I feel safer believing what the bible says than your personal opinion. Did David not clearly testify of Jesus Christ in the psalms?

read some of what Isaiah said about him.
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Kobojunkie:
The one is reference to judgment to come , the other reveals what awaits His disciples is the New Heaven/Earth to come

Yes we already know about these. CLEARLY NOT WHAT YOU WERE CLAIMING in the first place. I thought you would show me a repopulation scripture.

tctrills:
Yes we already know about these. CLEARLY NOT WHAT YOU WERE CLAIMING in the first place. I thought you would show me a repopulation scripture.

Huh?

If judgement takes place and then afterwards a new Heaven and new Earth are created and then the disciples are promised all those things on the New earth, what does that mean?,

cornelboy:
Omo see wahala o.
Where are the verses which proved that the prophet knew Jesus in person or worshipped him or know when he would come to the word?
Even Jews in his time when he finally came to them, they didn't believe him as the Messiah rather they wanted to kill him.

My guy let me advise you. in your Journey to God, Do not assume what you do not know. Rely on scripture to teach you.
Isaiah testified about the birth of Christ, About his life and death, He taught us the names of Jesus Christ. what more do you want him to do to show you that he knew of Christ?
You ask, Where are the verses which proved that the prophet knew Jesus in person Do you know Christ in person? what more would they have said to show you they know him?

Kobojunkie:
Huh?

If judgement takes place and then afterwards a new Heaven and new Earth are created and then the disciples are promised all those things on the New earth, what does that mean?,

You lost me.

See it's not about what they know it bout what God inspired them to know and tell the people.
God inspired them to know that a Messiah is coming. He also told them about the life he would live and what message he would bring. He also told them about his forerunner and his sacrificial death. The prophets sure believed what God told them and they were expecting the Messiah. They haven't known him yet.
If you can't understand go back to your bible. It's more than clear.

tctrills:
Do you declare what you don't know? THESE MEN TESTIFIED ABOUT WHAT THEY KNEW. we don't know if they knew he would be named Jesus. But let's assume it's true, That counts for nothing. They knew and testified about his birth and sacrifice. They had faith Just as you do. The same way you have not seen Jesus and you believe by faith. Please unless you are sure that the men of old did not know anything about Christ, I think you should let people know that this is your personal opinion.And its not at all scriptural.