It's been a while, to be clear the god I'm talking about is the general idea of a person, animal or object that exists as the first thing to exist and may or may not be responsible for everything else.

Let's start with the elephant in the room, we share this universe, you and I, we can objectively give ourselves as much evidence for our own existence. So why would we assume there's someone or something that's exactly like us(outside of the universe as a whole)?

If it's the first thing that ever was why would it have the physical characteristics(depending on belief) of the things in our reality? What does god need a right and left hand for? Clothes? Where'd it get them from?

For a person like me I'd reason these ideas borrow from the time they came to be that those gods would have the themes of the society they lived in, Greek gods occupy Greek mountains, Jewish gods occupy Jewish lands, Scientology spirits ride in airplanes(yes, google that).

And it's dumb to think of the creation stories as anything but myths of those cultures. So a perfect god(again, depending on the god) wouldn't get humans right the first time? And if it can't would a second time be any different?

If the god is an animal then why allow human beings exploit the animal for food, luxury and work? Why would a cow/goat, bull god make a human or even want to?

If there's such a place the god stays in but wants us to be with it what's the point of here then? Not saying there can't be reasons but when you start seeing brain dead babies and life born into this world that experiences pain and suffering 24/7 you have to ask why your god would be okay for a new being to be scorned for nothing at all.

Moving on to the naturally next point from the previous, if we humans did something to offend that being then doesn't that mean the being can't predict human behavior? Or wants humans to be exactly the way we are?

Lastly, if there's a way to reclaim peace with that/those being(s) then what function does our experiences serve if we're created with only one purpose in mind? I'm basically saying if you want object "b" to only do x in y then why add a feature that prevents or prolongs this process? Trial? For who? The object does not have to run any trial if it's use is for the creator.

These are my gripes with god/gods as an idea, it would be interesting to see if other people(believer or not) shares the same or have anything to add or clear over these. Thanks.

A belief in God is a complex fallacy.

Fallacy of appealing to ignorance because believers always see the need to fill their particular God in gaps that we cannot explain yet.

Fallacy of special pleading because believers believe everything must have a creator except their own particular God.

Circular reasoning fallacy because believers think whatever their holy book says is true because it's God's word.

Etc

All these fallacies won't occur only if we had just one evidence to test one of the 4,000ish gods in existence.
It's statistically insignificant to believe in God, the data and figures are clear to us that a God as described by the abrahamic relgion is false and when we combine other gods, it's still not evident that any God exist.

How can we have 4,000ish gods and no single evidence to test any?
That's less than 0. 00001 level of statistical significance. No sane person should bank on that figure

The idea that microscopic organisms existed was a big fallacy before a microscope was discovered. But did that negate their existence?

The device with which you used to type this, the software that powers this forum, the Lamborghini's, Bugattis and Rolls Royce of this world were designed by someone right?
So why do you assume that the sun, the moon, the earth, the trees, the continents and the oceans as perfect as they seem don't have a designer?

Looking at the precision in the design of nature itself, the programming of the earth to revolve around the the sun and rotate around it's axis bringing day and night and seasonal changes at a specific period of time is enough to tell you that it was designed by someone. Something can never come from nothing, everything made was made by someone.

I belief it's because of all this that the Bible concluded that it will take a fool to say there is no God

The idea of a God is false because na you create yourself..

Nonsense.

"It is easier for me to accept a world without God full of conflicts, than to accept that there is God in a world full of contradiction" Nietze
You are an atheist simple and no amount of lecture would convince you about His existence until you are opportuned to encounter Him. If His Glory which is evident around you rather than the brain dead children you mentioned is all that you could muster to prove your doubt, well you are on a long trip. Your write up instead of conveying the message you intended to, rather shows a man in conflict with his inward being. If you can tell me how to weigh a kilogram of fire then, I might help you in your confusion.

Their is possiblity of supernatural being but not in the form of any religion description

SWATMan:
"It is easier for me to accept a world without God full of conflicts, than to accept that there is God in a world full of contradiction" Nietze
You are an atheist simple and no amount of lecture would convince you about His existence until you are opportuned to encounter Him. If His Glory which is evident around you rather than the brain dead children you mentioned is all that you could muster to prove your doubt, well you are on a long trip. Your write up instead of conveying the message you intended to, rather shows a man in conflict with his inward being. If you can tell me how to weigh a kilogram of fire then, I might help you in your confusion.

God or no God, the universe itself has been in chaos since created.. Black hole, Creation of new planets/new stars, Super Nova, Hypernova are all part of the chaos in the universe

SWATMan:
"It is easier for me to accept a world without God full of conflicts, than to accept that there is God in a world full of contradiction" Nietze
You are an atheist simple and no amount of lecture would convince you about His existence until you are opportuned to encounter Him. If His Glory which is evident around you rather than the brain dead children you mentioned is all that you could muster to prove your doubt, well you are on a long trip. Your write up instead of conveying the message you intended to, rather shows a man in conflict with his inward being. If you can tell me how to weigh a kilogram of fire then, I might help you in your confusion.

You say I'm confused and yet ask me to weigh a kilogram of fire to somehow reveal what I'm confused about. I can't do that, have you or anyone else done that? And is there any way that relates with god or proves it?

FirmTR:
The idea of a God is false because na you create yourself..

Nonsense.

Funny, if questioning your belief makes you emotional should you be carrying them blindly(you can correct me on why if you have any) in the first place?

You know human beings can't magically appear but accept that a god with your face, tongue, ear, eye etc can? And more than that that it speaks languages when nobody exists to talk to from the beginning of your belief itself.

You are just confused. That's why.

spartan117:
The idea that microscopic organisms existed was a big fallacy before a microscope was discovered. But did that negate their existence?

The device with which you used to type this, the software that powers this forum, the Lamborghini's, Bugattis and Rolls Royce of this world were designed by someone right?
So why do you assume that the sun, the moon, the earth, the trees, the continents and the oceans as perfect as they seem don't have a designer?

Looking at the precision in the design of nature itself, the programming of the earth to revolve around the the sun and rotate around it's axis bringing day and night and seasonal changes at a specific period of time is enough to tell you that it was designed by someone. Something can never come from nothing, everything made was made by someone.

I belief it's because of all this that the Bible concluded that it will take a fool to say there is no God

So, from my understanding here, people like you who wrote the bible said those who don't believe the god written there are fools so that automatically makes everything about it true?

Before we even get to the biggest failure to reason on your part lets get something clear. Why or how can a being as you understand it have human body parts if it is the only thing that ever existed? If you can believe such a thing can exist then what stops the universe from always existing?

Leading to your last assumption. You said ;

"Something can never come from nothing, everything made was made by someone."

But your god idea just broke your own statement.

We can say someone is making someone for someone to exist. I can vouch that people have been giving birth to people, can you vouch for god/gods creating a universe? Why not god giving birth to other gods like in the greek religions.

Your assumption for a god boils to something can actually exist eternally. Now, between a universe existing eternally and a god that has eyes, nose and mouth like you to create things using nothing you'd bank on the god idea being true? LOL.

Were you taught man-made/artificial and natural categorizations when growing up? If yes, then why are you squeezing your belief in a god into things everyone met in this universe? What feature makes you think a being somewhere else has to exist for the universe to function?

From your write-up, you seem to think things have to be perfect for a god to exist and relate that to human beings designing cars and other things, but the universe itself isn't perfect, from the 6 mass extinctions that have killed 99.9% of life that once existed here to the way the moon affects our tides, everything we experience is at the mercy of these celestial bodies. Why are we trying to tame the forces of the earth if it was perfect to begin with? Because a human being ate a fruit?

Without assuming a god as described in the bible exists, reality is a mystery and if you include one it's still that mystery plus more mysteries of where the god came from, if/how it wants something and how it can affect our universe.

Lets even say somehow there is such a thing, why would it exist in a place resembling a human kingdom? does it fancy the lifestye of Jerusalem 2000 years ago?

So god is making houses and beds(with mattress) for you to sleep and wake up on in heaven?

If these gods could take a couple of days out their busy schedules to speak to ancient people, they can make time to speak to contemporary people.

Or, the glaring truths that most can’t face. The scriptures are allegorical, the gods are mythical.
Life is meaningless. The wise and the fool will meet the same fate. The moral and the immoral will meet the same fate. Your god is as real as his god and her goddess. The priesthoods were founded to control people in complement of explicit force. There is nothing new under the sun. Your god is not original. We toil under the sun and find meaning in our daily lives but ultimately it’s all for nought. We will all die and in due time we will all be forgotten. The ones who come after us will be forgotten by the ones who come after them. The sun will consume the earth and it will be like an ant dying on earth. Insignificant. So, love freely and cherish life; it doesn’t last for “eternity”.

orisa37:
You are just confused. That's why.

You say I'm confused, whereas all I'm doing is asking questions anyone should have. If you are a believer who accepts the idea of a god can I know why you do so I can stop being confused?

They are all imaginary being meant to cage gullible persons..

helinues:


God or no God, the universe itself has been in chaos since created.. Black hole, Creation of new planets/new stars, Super Nova, Hypernova are all part of the chaos in the universe

The universe has never and would never be in choas. It's creator is a Supreme Intelligence Who's wisdom surpasses Human understanding. If it is in choas as you mentioned, how many times have you gone to bed and the sun did not rise in the morning. All the issues you listed above Black Hole etc are part of the complex system in our universe helping it to function. Just as science has not been able to pin down the actual function(s) of the appendix in the human body does not make it useless.
Helinues this is not politics or Nigeria contemporary issues that you are well known for in nairaland this is a case of a man who was born into a religion or belief coming out to tell us he has arrived. Religion they say "evolved out of man's fear of the unknown" Every civilisation even before the rise of the 3 Abrahamic religion believes in the existence of a god or God. There are many religion in the world today hence, that chap should not come here and expose his ignorance. Atheism is usually found among people who are spiritually sick that requires an inner healing of the soul. Just as a psychotic individual needs help before his actions betray his personality so does an atheist.

spartan117:
The idea that microscopic organisms existed was a big fallacy before a microscope was discovered. But did that negate their existence?

The device with which you used to type this, the software that powers this forum, the Lamborghini's, Bugattis and Rolls Royce of this world were designed by someone right?
So why do you assume that the sun, the moon, the earth, the trees, the continents and the oceans as perfect as they seem don't have a designer?

Looking at the precision in the design of nature itself, the programming of the earth to revolve around the the sun and rotate around it's axis bringing day and night and seasonal changes at a specific period of time is enough to tell you that it was designed by someone. Something can never come from nothing, everything made was made by someone.

I belief it's because of all this that the Bible concluded that it will take a fool to say there is no God

The only thing wrong with your argument is that all the evidence we have today is suggesting that the narratives and books presented by religious people about their God is full of false narratives.

The universe cannot be created no destroyed because its a pool of Enegry. Your phone maker etc in the real sense didn't create anything, they only converted energy from one form to another.

Because we didn't see microbes before microscopes were invented is not sufficient evidence to say your God exist. You are cherrypicking a particular scenario to justify your belief system which has been proven times without number to be false

helinues:
Their is possiblity of supernatural being but not in the form of any religion description

well, this is the smartest way to reasons.
We have consistently seen the inconsistencies in the religious belief systems.
They are yet to even understand what the property of a God should be.

The idea of You existing is a delusion too.
Simply complete your line of thought.

TAYO124:
The idea of You existing is a delusion too.
Simply complete your line of thought.

how does this got to do with the existence of a god?
He exist because his parents had sex and fertilization occurred that led to him.
How does that prove a God?

davien:


You say I'm confused, whereas all I'm doing is asking questions anyone should have. If you are a believer who accepts the idea of a god can I know why you do so I can stop being confused?

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Join CONFUCIUS. IT'S A TERRORIST THEOLOGY.

davien:
It's been a while, to be clear the god I'm talking about is the general idea of a person, animal or object that exists as the first thing to exist and may or may not be responsible for everything else.

Let's start with the elephant in the room, we share this universe, you and I, we can objectively give ourselves as much evidence for our own existence. So why would we assume there's someone or something that's exactly like us(outside of the universe as a whole)?

If it's the first thing that ever was why would it have the physical characteristics(depending on belief) of the things in our reality? What does god need a right and left hand for? Clothes? Where'd it get them from?

For a person like me I'd reason these ideas borrow from the time they came to be that those gods would have the themes of the society they lived in, Greek gods occupy Greek mountains, Jewish gods occupy Jewish lands, Scientology spirits ride in airplanes(yes, google that).

And it's dumb to think of the creation stories as anything but myths of those cultures. So a perfect god(again, depending on the god) wouldn't get humans right the first time? And if it can't would a second time be any different?

If the god is an animal then why allow human beings exploit the animal for food, luxury and work? Why would a cow/goat, bull god make a human or even want to?

If there's such a place the god stays in but wants us to be with it what's the point of here then? Not saying there can't be reasons but when you start seeing brain dead babies and life born into this world that experiences pain and suffering 24/7 you have to ask why your god would be okay for a new being to be scorned for nothing at all.

Moving on to the naturally next point from the previous, if we humans did something to offend that being then doesn't that mean the being can't predict human behavior? Or wants humans to be exactly the way we are?

Lastly, if there's a way to reclaim peace with that/those being(s) then what function does our experiences serve if we're created with only one purpose in mind? I'm basically saying if you want object "b" to only do x in y then why add a feature that prevents or prolongs this process? Trial? For who? The object does not have to run any trial if it's use is for the creator.

These are my gripes with god/gods as an idea, it would be interesting to see if other people(believer or not) shares the same or have anything to add or clear over these. Thanks.

To start with let me let you be informed that God is no longer idea in the like of empirical evidence domain. I don't know wether you are familiar with science but if you are, please pay attention to works of inventors such as Necolas Tesla, Rodin and Gerald.
Surveillance cameras these days have captured evidences beyond reasonable doubt that non physical reality exist. NDE testimonies from humans who were clinically certified dead by credible medical records provided us with proofs. Many of them were renowned physicists, surgeons, and Atheist.
Space and aerospace technologies are providing shocking details of our universe confirming biblical truths. Get online and listen to testimonies of experts who were once unbelivers. One of them was an inventor of microchips.
Bible says and I agree that: Heavens declare the glory of God and firmament shows his handiwork. Day until day utters speach, night until night shows knowledge.
God is outside space and time, so He is not exactly like man, even though he created man in his own his image and likeness.
I am a science student and it has helped me to appreciate and love to know more about phenomenon of God.
The present age of AI has greatly helped by providing empirical confirmation of existence of God.
I appeal to you to give Jesus a trial and let him reveal God to you. This has nothing to do with religion.

waldigit:

To start with let me let you be informed that God is no longer idea in the like of empirical evidence domain. I don't know wether you are familiar with science but if you are, please pay attention to works of inventors such as Necolas Tesla, Rodin and Gerald.
Surveillance cameras these days have captured evidences beyond reasonable doubt that non physical reality exist.

no one has captured anything in camera that spiritual things exist.
Give us the evidence in form of footage and photo. Let's analyze it or go get your Nobel prize in Sweden

NDE testimonies from humans who were clinically certified dead by credible medical records provided us with proofs. Many of them were renowned physicists, surgeons, and Atheist.

The Lazarus phenomenon, or Lazarus syndrome, is defined as a delayed return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) after CPR has ceased. In other words, patients who are pronounced dead after cardiac arrest experience an impromptu return of cardiac activity. It's not evidence for god.

Space and aerospace technologies are providing shocking details of our universe confirming biblical truths. Get online and listen to testimonies of experts who were once unbelivers. One of them was an inventor of microchips.

The Bible assumes that earth is fslt and was created in 6days, science has falsified that many times. There's nothing scientific about the Bible and its narratives.

Bible says and I agree that: Heavens declare the glory of God and firmament shows his handiwork. Day until day utters speach, night until night shows knowledge.
God is outside space and time, so He is not exactly like man, even though he created man in his own his image and likeness.
I am a science student and it has helped me to appreciate and love to know more about phenomenon of God.
The present age of AI has greatly helped by providing empirical confirmation of existence of God.
I appeal to you to give Jesus a trial and let him reveal God to you. This has nothing to do with religion.

The Bible doesn't know anything about apace and time, the Bible as a matter of fact is a poor place for you go look up for things about space time or anything is science, it's a normal conjucture by religious people to further put their God hypothesis to where it cannot be questioned. The Bible was written by bronze age nomads who had no idea about how the universe work, it the reason you didn't see science lecturers or teachers make references to the Bible when teaching science. The Bible is a myth peddled by one of thr religions of the world called Christianity, it does make any sense in science class.
This is not evidence that God exist

You are assuming that the Bible and your religion is the ultimate while disregarding the fact that we have 4000 religions who equally think theirs is the ultimate.

God is experienced not read about or being told about

Lol

SWATMan:
"It is easier for me to accept a world without God full of conflicts, than to accept that there is God in a world full of contradiction" Nietze
You are an atheist simple and no amount of lecture would convince you about His existence until you are opportuned to encounter Him. If His Glory which is evident around you rather than the brain dead children you mentioned is all that you could muster to prove your doubt, well you are on a long trip. Your write up instead of conveying the message you intended to, rather shows a man in conflict with his inward being. If you can tell me how to weigh a kilogram of fire then, I might help you in your confusion.

Knowledge is power.....the limitation of being religious is that; you'll most like have a bias knowledge.

Workch:
no one has captured anything in camera that spiritual things exist.
Give us the evidence in form of footage and photo. Let's analyze it or go get your Nobel prize in Sweden
The Lazarus phenomenon, or Lazarus syndrome, is defined as a delayed return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) after CPR has ceased. In other words, patients who are pronounced dead after cardiac arrest experience an impromptu return of cardiac activity. It's not evidence for god.
The Bible assumes that earth is fslt and was created in 6days, science has falsified that many times. There's nothing scientific about the Bible and its narratives.
The Bible doesn't know anything about apace and time, the Bible as a matter of fact is a poor place for you go look up for things about space time or anything is science, it's a normal conjucture by religious people to further put their God hypothesis to where it cannot be questioned. The Bible was written by bronze age nomads who had no idea about how the universe work, it the reason you didn't see science lecturers or teachers make references to the Bible when teaching science. The Bible is a myth peddled by one of thr religions of the world called Christianity, it does make any sense in science class.
This is not evidence that God exist

You are assuming that the Bible and your religion is the ultimate while disregarding the fact that we have 4000 religions who equally think theirs is the ultimate.

This man is also a smart man too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u93mB3aH1Q&feature=youtu.be

waldigit:


This man is also a smart man too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u93mB3aH1Q&feature=youtu.be

Testimonies are not evidence. Testimonies is the act of making more and more claims.
Believers don't know what evidence is. Evidence is testable, repeatable and reproducible anytime and anyday.

Why do you people think a testimony by a pastor on youtube is evidence?

Workch:
Testimonies are not evidence. Testimonies is the act of making more and more claims.
Believers don't know what evidence is. Evidence is testable, repeatable and reproducible anytime and anyday.

Why do you people think a testimony by a pastor on youtube is evidence?

It shows you are not open to truth because you didn't bother to watch the video. That man is not a pastor. Watch the video then comment after.

waldigit:

To start with let me let you be informed that God is no longer idea in the like of empirical evidence domain. I don't know wether you are familiar with science but if you are, please pay attention to works of inventors such as Necolas Tesla, Rodin and Gerald.
Surveillance cameras these days have captured evidences beyond reasonable doubt that non physical reality exist. NDE testimonies from humans who were clinically certified dead by credible medical records provided us with proofs. Many of them were renowned physicists, surgeons, and Atheist.
Space and aerospace technologies are providing shocking details of our universe confirming biblical truths. Get online and listen to testimonies of experts who were once unbelivers. One of them was an inventor of microchips.
Bible says and I agree that: Heavens declare the glory of God and firmament shows his handiwork. Day until day utters speach, night until night shows knowledge.
God is outside space and time, so He is not exactly like man, even though he created man in his own his image and likeness.
I am a science student and it has helped me to appreciate and love to know more about phenomenon of God.
The present age of AI has greatly helped by providing empirical confirmation of existence of God.
I appeal to you to give Jesus a trial and let him reveal God to you. This has nothing to do with religion.

You keep saying truth statements without saying how they relate to a being like you described existing.

What does it mean to be outside of space and time if that's the reference frame we have of grasping things? Isn't it contradictory to claim god is outside observable reality but then can(according to you and those believers) can interact with our universe?

Moreso, Should we ignore believers that also came to unbelieve the god idea from the same unverifiable evidences you listed? That's even small considering believers of other religions who have or are using the same experiences to say their cow/goat/bull god exists?

Believing is faith without evidence and science is mostly based on deductions from inferences to build on knowledge, i doubt the two ideas mix as religious faith is actually dogma which many refuse to change in light of conflicting evidence.