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ubunja:
don't confuse being a Pick Up Artist with being Red Pill. Your contributions on this thread are heavily PUA. That's why you even say you go out at night to look for girls. Smh. What are you even doing? This random approaching women at night will end you like this guy. Stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvNqe4rLDPU
You advocate cold approaching cause you're just playing the numbers game. Nothing special. You're just talking to as many girls as possible hoping to get lucky with one or two. You're using the same tactic like that guy who approaches 40 girls in a week to get 2 phone numbers. That's not red pill. And you really need to stop presenting it as red pill.

how does one get ladies too without 40 to 2 approach

Kellzzyy:
How can a grown man approach 40 girls in a week?
You approach a whooping 40 girls just for the hope that at least 2 girls will give you their number?
Redpill or not, this is bothering on pure idiocy.

Like I don't understand why I'll leave my work, leave focusing on myself just to focus on approaching any hot girl I see.

The pure truth is that cold approach is the genesis of simping. Because you've already pedestalised her. And you better continue to pedestalise her if you want that pussy. Can you now see the foolery?

We always talk here about how gaining control over sexual urges is the best way for a man to escape the many troubles of this life.
Yet you want to approach any hot girl you see. Where then is the sexual control? Why on earth will I approach 40 girls in a week? Am I that jobless and pussy whipped?

First off, I gave that number as an example to buttress the point of cold approach landing more body counts.
Even the greatest players of all time cold approach regularly. But you and ubúnja will come here and claim they're not redpilled for doing that. Just because you consider it a waste of time doesn't mean it is that to others.
I have said it before that cold approach is not just for the sake of sex. But your thinking is too shallow to get it. For example, people in marketing do it every time.
Someone who is very extroverted will have no problem talking to 10 new people every day and still be productive in his life.
No one is forcing you to cold approach -- you probably sh1t your pants when you try. Just don't think you are more redpilled or better than those who choose to do it.

Felt I should share this screenshot.....

Don’t be a simp please, you may never forgive yourself if you reminisce on these kind of stories...

Junnior:
First off, I gave that number as an example to buttress the point of cold approach landing more body counts.
Even the greatest players of all time cold approach regularly. But you and ubúnja will come here and claim they're not redpilled for doing that. Just because you consider it a waste of time doesn't mean it is that to others.
I have said it before that cold approach is not just for the sake of sex. But your thinking is too shallow to get it. For example, people in marketing do it every time.
Someone who is very extroverted will have no problem talking to 10 new people every day and still be productive in his life.
No one is forcing you to cold approach -- you probably sh1t your pants when you try. Just don't think you are more redpilled or better than those who choose to do it.

Junnior my guy, let the matter rest. There is no point since, right from the start, it was clear people will stick to what they want despite the many arguments. Just my suggestion (you can continue if you want, nothing bad). Everyone should do what works for them.

Smartb0y:
You Should have posted this yesterday bro

when you chase her, you're subconsciously telling her that she's the prize

Cold approachers,hope y'all are seeing it

What you're doing isn't redpill or maintaining frame.

In her mind,what you're doing is no different from what her simp orbiters are doing.

Control your sexual urges and stand out

With all I read here yesterday about cold and hot approach,and what happened between me and the girl I cold approach last (last week)I've promised myself not to cold approach any girls again. So help me GOD.

Please unless you are good looking with a decent social skill, don’t listen to anyone that tells you not to do cold approach. Be it ubunja or anyone else. These guys are already skillful with girls. Your realities and stage are different.

The only way many of us were able to cure approach anxiety and socialize with girls is through cold approach.

Please how can you tell a timid and average looking guy to wait for green light from a lady when even ugly girls only crush on handsome guys ? You will probably die virgin if you expect a green light from a girl and you aren’t good looking.

The truth is girls want guys to toast them, that’s why they spent long time on make up before they go outside. Because they are looking to attract your attention to them.
They want someone to talk to them, you may not be the type of guy that she wants to be toasted by, but she definetey wants someone to toast her.
How do you find you aren’t the type of a guy she wants talk to if you didn’t make the approach?

Abeg unless you are good looking or naturally good at socializing with girls, please hit the streets and make that cold approaches. That’s the only way you develop your game.

Paygram:
I think many believe that being Redpill as to deal it numbers of ladies you talk to. It is more of a qualitative than the quantitative. The cold approach will build confidence but from what do you generate such confidence? The truth is cold approach is mostly based on extrinsic value and not your frame.

the thing is many guys here came to the red pill via reading PUA material by people like Neil Strauss etc. So they think PUA is part of Redpill. And they're getting the game mixed up

I've been wanting to talk about this cold or hot approach but I've been lazy.
Ubunja was right, Tonnyray even though cold approaching isn't redpill I will have to admit you are right too.
I think the problem is Ubunja doesn't want cold approaching to be called redpill and I don't think Tony is even claiming it to be redpill. Do what works for you.
I was expecting people to talk about warm approaches. That on his the best as Ubunja as reinterated. That's the one I want to do now. Cold approaching isn't for me. Yeah I'm an introvert.

ubunja:
nowhere on the manosphere are people promoting cold approaching. From Stephiscold to Alpha Male Strategies to Corry Waine to Cousin TTaw to Rom Wills All the red pill groups are on Choosing Signals, that's the red pill. If you want to push an idea that is not really red pill all in the name of trying to be inclusive and accommodating people who want retain their blue pill methods, you're corrupting the very game you're trying to understand.

Cold Approach doesn't give you confidence,, what gives you confidence is a girl you don't know, whom you've done Nothing for, and she chooses you to be her BF as you are. That's what will improve your self worth and make you feel like a human being of value.

You simply dont understand why the Bible mentions that the road which leads to destruction is broad and many follows it?

No matter how much you sound it, even if all the 3.5billion males on earth hears it. I still believe only a handful will follow the Rep Pill method. You can't simply change what evolution has imprinted in humans for many years in just a few article or thread. But let this not discouraged you my brother, people like me are grateful reading your write up, and we know this is the hard truth.


My short story: I've never dated a girl I Cold approached and it lasted more than a month. In fact, it's 3 weeks max.

Wooing a girl outrightly has always ended either in my bed or just waste my time and money. It's always a relationship I barely enjoy.

I started noticing the chosen game 7 years ago and how magnificent it is. The minimum duration of any relationship I was chosen lasted more than 5 months, the dating was superb, no pretence! no packaging! This bitches will nearly wanna die if they don't see me in a month, not to brag though... Lol...

There is to much to talk about this but I'm not gonna bore you or anyone with it.

The reason most people are scared of the chosen signal is because they feel it takes time or most of the time it's the girl they dont fancy who always come for them... Lol won't say it's a lie though.

The little trick I use to get a beautiful girl I really wanna Bleep is to make her believe she worthless to me. The trick it to make her think about me all the time and in a way that make her question herself, lol... She gonna act like she hates me though, but deep down she will wanna know why I see her as worthless when a lot of guys are dying to get her reply.

This writeup is becoming longer than I expected, I've been using this trick before I even stumbled upon your article about something of stuff. Have a love day Ubunja.

Itzlinda:
Please unless you are good looking with a decent social skill, don’t listen to anyone that tells you not to do cold approach. Be it ubunja or anyone else. These guys are already skillful with girls. Your realities and stage are different.

The only way many of us were able to cure approach anxiety and socialize with girls is through cold approach.

Please how can you tell a timid and average looking guy to wait for green light from a lady when even ugly girls only crush on handsome guys ? You will probably die virgin if you expect a green light from a girl and you aren’t good looking.

The truth is girls want guys to toast them, that’s why they spent long time on make up before they go outside. Because they are looking to attract your attention to them.
They want someone to talk to them, you may not be the type of guy that she wants to be toasted by, but she definetey wants someone to toast her.
How do you find you aren’t the type of a guy she wants talk to if you didn’t make the approach?

Abeg unless you are good looking or naturally good at socializing with girls, please hit the streets and make that cold approaches. That’s the only way you develop your game.

Forget it bro. No man is Ugly only if he chooses to. Make money and see how that ugly guy will be transformed. You know there was a time people around me (my friends and siblings) says things like the guy no fine e just fresh, na just money make am fresh, but I always tell them whether it's due to money or not, fine is fine. Fresh is attractive you know. If you have money even if you are ugly, a nice haircut, a sculptured body, white teeth, dark and clean beards will greatly improved your looks. Though I receive compliments here and there about my looks but I always felt I'm not that good looking for a girl to woo me but within the last five years I've been given a lapdance in a party by a stranger (the hottest girl in the party) approached by 2 girls(they weren't strangers though) infact so many greenlights I didn't know we're greenlights then. So what's my point? Though I can say I've got some looks but a guy who isn't facially that good-looking but can do all those things I said up there will have a higher sexual appeal than I had or currently have now, so if I can get greenlight anybody can get it and nobody will have to die a virgin unless he chooses to (respect to Martinez)

fattprince:
I've been wanting to talk about this cold or hot approach but I've been lazy.
Ubunja was right, Tonnyray even though cold approaching isn't redpill I will have to admit you are right too.
I think the problem is Ubunja doesn't want cold approaching to be called redpill and I don't think Tony is even claiming it to be redpill. Do what works for you.
I was expecting people to talk about warm approaches. That on his the best as Ubunja as reinterated. That's the one I want to do now. Cold approaching isn't for me. Yeah I'm an introvert.

this is a red pill thread. Let's keep it that way. PUA is a welcome starting point for a red piller. I have even defended PUA before because it schools on female nature,,, but this cold approach/numbers-game is the one area of PUA that's at war with red pill philosophy.

As you're being chosen and getting "greenlights", watch out for women that'll comfortably pretend to be interested in you to try and Rob you of your resources, and also time wasters that seem to not even know what they want.

Personally I don't even do greenlights anymore. If you're not direct don't bother.

Itzlinda:
Please unless you are good looking with a decent social skill, don’t listen to anyone that tells you not to do cold approach. Be it ubunja or anyone else. These guys are already skillful with girls. Your realities and stage are different.

The only way many of us were able to cure approach anxiety and socialize with girls is through cold approach.

Please how can you tell a timid and average looking guy to wait for green light from a lady when even ugly girls only crush on handsome guys ? You will probably die virgin if you expect a green light from a girl and you aren’t good looking.

The truth is girls want guys to toast them, that’s why they spent long time on make up before they go outside. Because they are looking to attract your attention to them.
They want someone to talk to them, you may not be the type of guy that she wants to be toasted by, but she definetey wants someone to toast her.
How do you find you aren’t the type of a guy she wants talk to if you didn’t make the approach?

Abeg unless you are good looking or naturally good at socializing with girls, please hit the streets and make that cold approaches. That’s the only way you develop your game.

yes thats true greenlight most times are mostly traps but most times u will surely get sex from mostly women u dont like if u approach 100 Women u can still sleep with 10 or more but cold approach as a con it is time consuming both has cons and pros just do what works for you

Martinez39s:
If you have data, please watch the videos I posted. Even if you don't want to watch any, at least watch the first video. I am not saying Greenwood is innocent, but experience and history should teach us something. Never underestimate the extent of human deception. Don't follow the bandwagon.

I've been indifferent since I saw the news

NamelessOGBENI:
I've been indifferent since I saw the news

Good.

Interesting to read and learn from people on this cold and hot approach argument so far but I'll never engage in cold approach again or take it seriously for getting a girl. My first two kill in the dating market was pure hot approach aka greenlight.

I didn't have to get the first girl number before I got laid and this happened that very same day I met her.

The second girl was through my friend. My friend actually went to cold approach the girl and she turned her down while asking him to give her my number that I'm the person she likes.

Just like that, girl started bombarding me with calls while I was aware in school. She literally called everyday to check on me and would occasionally flood my WhatsApp DM with her pictures.

I came back during school holiday and she didn't hesitate to come see me, ofcourse I got laid not once or twice.

During my teenage years, a girl once called me up to 40+ missed calls nonstop just because I got angry with her and won't talk to her again.

With this kind of experience, I'm sure you'll understand why I can't endorse anything cold approach or PUA.

If you've never experienced genuine desire or greenlight from a girl, you probably won't relate but I'm telling you, that's the most effective way to get someone that will love or simp for you lol.

I so much detest cold approach and the few times I've done it was only out of peer pressure and didn't take it serious. I get the digits most times but I rarely follow up. It's just not my thing.

To make matters worst, the first official girlfriend I had was even through cold approach and it made me simp hard and the worst part, I never got to taste that coochie. I ended the whole thing after 3 frustrating months.

Hotspotbro:

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luminouz:
Women will always be women....

Zero contentment.

Alaye, exactly

fattprince:
I've been wanting to talk about this cold or hot approach but I've been lazy.
Ubunja was right, Tonnyray even though cold approaching isn't redpill I will have to admit you are right too.
I think the problem is Ubunja doesn't want cold approaching to be called redpill and I don't think Tony is even claiming it to be redpill. Do what works for you.
I was expecting people to talk about warm approaches. That on his the best as Ubunja as reinterated. That's the one I want to do now. Cold approaching isn't for me. Yeah I'm an introvert.

Alaye, which one is warm approaches

machote:
BRO CODE PRO MAX

Simping is in categories.

He's happy because a male waiter spoilt the chances of him getting exploited by his date rather than stand up and walk out of that premises. Only beta males condole such foolery from women. No frame at all! Probably, he must have been wrecked days ago by the pvssy.

Besides, the waiter wouldn't do this if it was his business, however, he is still a bad PRO, because manipulations stems from both ends---male and female. Men do buy expensive drinks and do the unimaginable in parties because of pride and laudations. So, he also has to stop these men from "declaring...do ri me...casket stuffs" when with other men to express ultimate bro code.

This is business and if you get in the way stupidly, you will be treated as a pawn. No mercy! If I was the waiter, I will bring the most expensive drinks...my salary and promotion is dependent on the sales I make. This is real life!

He should "getat" abeg.

Osas187:
With all I read here yesterday about cold and hot approach,and what happened between me and the girl I cold approach last (last week)I've promised myself not to cold approach any girls again. So help me GOD.

What happened with the girl you cold approached comrade

Osas187:
With all I read here yesterday about cold and hot approach,and what happened between me and the girl I cold approach last (last week)I've promised myself not to cold approach any girls again. So help me GOD.

Gist us bro, what transpired?

The doctrine that a lady who looks nice wants to be toasted is a borderline rapist ideology. Cease and desist from this way of thinking.

Some people enjoy looking good because it makes them feel great. Nothing more to it.

Folks attacking Ubunja should chill abit. If you backtrack to when this convo started, he actually listed many merits of cold approaching

Martinez39s:
Nairaland, Google and WhatsApp are my only social media for a long time now. Please, redpillers wey dey Instagram should confirm this. The only thing I know is that Greenwood has been released on bail.

You forgot to add anointing oil and YouTube.

fattprince:
Forget it bro. No man is Ugly only if he chooses to. Make money and see how that ugly guy will be transformed. You know there was a time people around me (my friends and siblings) says things like the guy no fine e just fresh, na just money make am fresh, but I always tell them whether it's due to money or not, fine is fine. Fresh is attractive you know. If you have money even if you are ugly, a nice haircut, a sculptured body, white teeth, dark and clean beards will greatly improved your looks. Though I receive compliments here and there about my looks but I always felt I'm not that good looking for a girl to woo me but within the last five years I've been given a lapdance in a party by a stranger (the hottest girl in the party) approached by 2 girls(they weren't strangers though) infact so many greenlights I didn't know we're greenlights then. So what's my point? Though I can say I've got some looks but a guy who isn't facially that good-looking but can do all those things I said up there will have a higher sexual appeal than I had or currently have now, so if I can get greenlight anybody can get it and nobody will have to die a virgin unless he chooses to (respect to Martinez)

You can as well tell me Oshimole is not ugly abi.

But that is not really the point abi. We been de grind for that money but still not up to that level that we are completely transformed. Money and personal grooming makes the difference, But una forget that money is not really easy to make. not everyone would be that buoyant, espicially in nigeria.

Ketapu:
My reply
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calm down,, I didn't even pay that much attention to you until you mentioned me. I just did a quick search on your past comments and saw you're PUA. Bear in mind this is a red pill thread.

CaveAdullam:
You forgot to add anointing oil and YouTube.

I have stopped watching YouTube a long time ago, except when necessary or to investigate. It was a good research tool on one, but entertainment and distraction on the other hand.

As for the anointing oil and engine oil, they abideth with me forever.

heartofcity12:
#trp

And it miraculously appeared beneath Ketapu essay.

Ketapu, what do you have to say about the first line and half? I do understand your claims on the other lines. (At least this one is coming from Rollo Tomassi).

Winnerly:
The doctrine that a lady who looks nice wants to be toasted is a borderline rapist ideology. Cease and desist from this way of thinking.

Some people enjoy looking good because it makes them feel great. Nothing more to it.

Folks attacking Ubunja should chill abit. If you backtrack to when this convo started, he actually listed many merits of cold approaching

that's why overseas catcalling and randomly going up to women is slowly being classified as sexual harassment. And rightly so.

Ketapu:
My reply
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I didn't bother watching the video until I saw your post. I started skipping posts a long time because I was tired of the argument; what caught my eyes was the word "rape" and I had to investigate to know how rape entered the discussion. In as much as you advocated cold approach, there was no indication that you partook in rape or any diabolical, callous or inhumane method to get women. So no one can hold it against you.

I think the misunderstanding, a funny one at that, came from Ubunja's part. When he read that you go out at night to cold approach women, he assumed that you are some nightstalker who creeps up late at night in the dark to cold approach women (It would be confounding to anyone who perceived your activities as such) and he was also concerned that you might be badly misconstrued as a strange and creepy person with a bad intent and be falsely accused or harmed. Keep in mind what that cold approach means to Ubunja is different from what it means to my guy Junnior and co; Ubunja embraces the meaning in the usual game/red pill sense. Also, we have seen how Ubunja associates cold approach with PUA, and those who know the PUA community know what they are capable of. It's a misunderstanding, not necessarily malicious intent. This is what I think happened, and I could be wrong.

If I am wrong and Ubunja really wanted to defame you or strawman you, then I don't support his actions and I find them despicable. I say this not to defend him, but to drop my honest and avoid what I perceive to be a preventable clash. I am the type that prefers people operating amicably, agreeing to disagree, and settling misunderstanding instead of clashing and whatever.