elampiro:


When Rooney, Tevez and JS Park were doing these things for United, we won titles. Na eho no know ball dey talk of zones.

Rooney, Tevez where known for goals. While I'm not against work rate but it's somehow(not right)to use defensive stats to judge attackers.
There's a reason why Js park is a squad player at best and not in the class of those two and there's a reason C.Ronaldo is highly rated than the trio during his first stint.

Salah dribbles effectively more than mane, scores more than him, assists more than him, creates chances more than him, gives key passes more than him, make disturbing runs more than him. These are attackers work not defenders work and they're the core. Any other thing na jara.

If someone is carrying a team and is better than a supposed player and he falls shorts in those attributes, how then is he carrying the team??

Not that Salah is even a liability defensively sef.

Uniquisite:


Stand up
Go to bathroom
Use water to wash your face
Come back inside
Read what you wrote and digest it..

Are you sure it is Manchester United you see or Manchester City

Expert17:
Mane won't even make Liverpool top 3 players this season.

Salah, Arnold and Jota.

top 3 is even too small. He won't even make top5 diz season sef

elampiro:


That is what we lack at United. Forwards who with defensive and midfield abilities. This is why our defenders look poor. Those days, Rooney, Tevez, Park will chase a player back, corner him and helped the defenders disposse him

There’s a lot of truth in this.

Fergie played with 2 midfielders but his wingers, AMs and strikers were putting in solid defensive shifts. Rooney, JS Park, Nani, everybody.

They didn’t leave the defensive work for the midfield and defense. It was a team effort.

Jodera:
Rooney, Tevez where known for goals. While I'm not against work rate but it's somehow(not right)to use defensive stats to judge attackers.
There's a reason why Js park is a squad player at best and not in the class of those two and there's a reason C.Ronaldo is highly rated than the trio during his first stint.

Salah dribbles effectively more than mane, scores more than him, assists more than him, creates chances more than him, gives key passes more than him, make disturbing runs more than him. These are attackers work not defenders work and they're the core. Any other thing na jara.

If someone is carrying a team and is better than a supposed player and he falls shorts in those attributes, how then is he carrying the team??

Not that Salah is even a liability defensively sef.

Salah is a liability defensively Chief. Forget matter. He’s a great goal scorer and all but he doesn’t put in solid defensive shifts.

Not saying this to belittle him or take away from his shine. That’s just the fact.

Leyqute:


There’s a lot of truth in this.

Fergie played with 2 midfielders but his wingers, AMs and strikers were putting in solid defensive shifts. Rooney, JS Park, Nani, everybody.

They didn’t leave the defensive work for the midfield and defense. It was a team effort.

There's difference putting in defensive shifts and using your defensive shifts to mask your poor attacking stats. Or you think Salah don't put in defensive shifts in Liverpool?

Leyqute:


Salah is a liability defensively Chief. Forget matter. He’s a great goal scorer and all but he doesn’t put in solid defensive shifts.

Not saying this to belittle him or take away from his shine. That’s just the fact.

He might not be as defensively as others cos he's needed upfront. Or you think all attackers must go all the way back to their own box 18 to defend?

Any attacker carrying the mantle of the team hardly goes back to their box 18 to defend, it's common sense. That doesn't mean they don't put in defensive shifts.

Ronaldo doesn't do that at man u first stint, nor at Madrid under mou. Messi hardly does that even at barca under guardiola, hazard hardly do it at Chelsea. Even Van Persie didn't do it under fergie

Salah's defensive shifts mostly stop in midfield and it starts at the opponents 18 yard box. If he defends all the way back to his goal, who'll transition ball from midfield to attack?

elampiro:


Well said.

They are two different types of players and Liverpool is lucky to have them at once. Salah plays close to the goal and he is productive there. Mane has the ability to start causing havoc from the deep (far from the goal). He can carry the ball quickly from the deep to the final third to those who can do better justice with it, and he too is part of those who kill the opponents in the final third.

Specialists who play close to the goal will always have more stats. But I don't watch football that way. I respect 'space creators' like Hazard was in Chelsea.

Exactly.

Salah is an intelligent player. Watch the replay of his attempted shot in the AFCON final. He tried to catch Mendy off guard, and would have succeeded if it was some other keeper in the post.

Those who didn’t watch the match would have simply seen:
Scoreline; 0 - 1
Goalscorer; Salah
Player of the Tournament; Salah

Meanwhile Mane, Aboubakar, and Gabaski had worked their socks off.

When Egypt faced Morocco, Masina was determined to pin Salah down. At first, it felt like he was doing a good job, suddenly Salah scored (was well-positioned to tap the ball in). Later in extra time Salah got an assist.

To a spectator, it would seem like Masina played well. But Salah still ended up with a goal and assist. Which subsequently means Masina had a poor game.

Salah understands that football is a numbers game, and he knows how to rack them up.

This is why the FPL community is hellbent on Salah. It doesn’t matter if he has a good game or not. Relax, one way or the other, he’ll get you those precious Captaincy points.

Another player that has mastered this is Ronaldo (mostly to elongate his career and aid his aging legs).

As a youngster, Ronaldo played similar to Mane, relying on physical abilities, running around, doing step overs and whatnot. But as age crept in, he evolved his game to a predatory style of play, which has kept him in the EPL at age 37.

Elampiro and Gloryisaac are getting the point.

Leyqute:


There’s a lot of truth in this.

Fergie played with 2 midfielders but his wingers, AMs and strikers were putting in solid defensive shifts. Rooney, JS Park, Nani, everybody.

They didn’t leave the defensive work for the midfield and defense. It was a team effort.

Uniquisite:


Stand up
Go to bathroom
Use water to wash your face
Come back inside
Read what you wrote and digest it..

Are you sure it is Manchester United you see or Manchester City

I'm sure it's Manchester united. Rashford to score the winning goal in the final against Bayern Munich. Manchester united 2 - Bayen Munich 1 final score

elampiro:


That is what we lack at United. Forwards who with defensive and midfield abilities. This is why our defenders look poor. Those days, Rooney, Tevez, Park will chase a player back, corner him and helped the defenders disposse him

A strong defensive workrate, while a positive trait is not a key attribute for an attacker. They are paid to score and create goals, not win tackles and intercept balls.

Rooney and Tevez were scoring and creating goals aplenty, which was their primary job. Their defensive workrate was just the bonus. You think if they were not contributing enough offensively, Sir Alex would continue to play them? Credit to Mane for working hard for the team but if he's not performing to his standards offensively, he can't be said to be better than Salah.

Leyqute:


Salah is a liability defensively Chief. Forget matter. He’s a great goal scorer and all but he doesn’t put in solid defensive shifts.

Not saying this to belittle him or take away from his shine. That’s just the fact.

This is one myth that needs to be debunked. Salah is NOT a defensive liability. Just because he doesn't chase players up and down and isn't as combative as Mane, doesn't mean he is trash defensively. He does his fair share of defenaive work. Closing down defenders with his speed, blocking passing lanes etc.

Does it make any sense that Klopp's Gegenpressing system anchored on the attackers pressing and forcing turnovers high up the pitch would harbour a defensive liability? A complex system such as that would fall apart if one, just one player was slacking off defensively.

SALAH IS NOT A DEFENSIVE LIABILITY.

Rauffian. 4th position is progress..so, me too.

Jodera:
Is this the job of an attacker or a defender?
I come dey think weda na van dijk you dey talk of...


Na wa for una oooo

elampiro's kind of player are the "pace & pawa" kind of players.
That's why players like Young, Valencia, Adama Traore are his heros. And that's why he is more insterested in who can sprint more, make more interceptions, clearances and tackles between Mane & Salah than actual goal scoring output

donstan18:

Is it that you didn’t understand my Abraham example or?

Salah has never carried Liverpool in any tournament till victory.

I dare you to mention one.

YOU SHOULD NEVER BE TAKEN SERIOUS.

Since they bought got to Liverpool, Salah has the highest number of PL and UCL goals in a season. So I don't understand how Mane has been the one carrying Liverpool o.

Anyways, this is for the dunderheads on this thread that keeps claiming that Chelsea play defensive. They said we use 8 defenders and park the bus. Bunch of illiterates

Ebukacute:
Rauffian. 4th position is progress..so, me too.

And they crucified Mourinho for saying 2nd position is an achievement. KingAlabi has kuku said their goal is now FA Cup after spending so much to bring Sancho and the likes to Old Trafford. Finished club

BikeMan:
YOU SHOULD NEVER BE TAKEN SERIOUS.

Since they bought got to Liverpool, Salah has the highest number of PL and UCL goals in a season. So I don't understand how Mane has been the one carrying Liverpool o.

So name the tournament Salah led Liverpool to victory.

No dey shalaye!

Name Wetin I ask you.

If Mane was clinical and scoring goals after goals, do you think Klopp will entertain the idea of having him track back thus expending so much energy? In the season Mane tied Salah on goals, he was very clinical and occasionally had to take up the CF position during games but that was for just that season, he couldn't maintain that hot streak because it's just not his game...

Mane is a great player but this season, he has not played at the level we have come to expect from him. So, whilst you'd still find him tracking back and progressing with the ball, he just doesn't get past players or score as much as he did when he peaked a couple of seasons ago...For now, Salah is clearly having the better season...I make bold to say that if Egypt had won the AFCON, then Salah would have stood a good chance to win the Balon d'or assuming Liverpool go ahead to win a couple of trophies but it's not a case with Mane, he has not had a stellar season up to this moment though if he ups his game and plays a stellar role for Liverpool in the remaining months of a season, the odds might just switch to his favor...

donstan18:

So name the tournament Salah led Liverpool to victory.

No dey shalaye!

Name Wetin I ask you.

Don Don you dey troll abi na wetin? He said Salah has been the highest goalscorer in both EPL and the UCL since Liverpool sign am, Wetin you still dey find again?

Kilishihunter:

Don Don you dey troll abi na wetin? He said Salah has been the highest goalscorer in both EPL and the UCL since Liverpool sign am, Wetin you still dey find again?

I don set trap dey wait for who go fall.

Salah is a system player who’s stat padding under Klop.

He’s not a big game player, hardly show up when it matters. That’s why he got only one open play goal throughout the knockout games they Liverpool won UCL.

Drogba, Rooney and Mane, these are balanced quality complete players who can ball and excel under any manager, big game players, always carrying teams and showing up.

Not cowards like Salah and Henry who are always missing during finals and always depending on attacking workaholics to carry them.

patrickmuf:
If Mane was clinical and scoring goals after goals, do you think Klopp will entertain the idea of having him track back thus expending so much energy? In the season Mane tied Salah on goals, he was very clinical and occasionally had to take up the CF position during games but that was for just that season, he couldn't maintain that hot streak because it's just not his game...

Mane is a great player but this season, he has not played at the level we have cone to expect from him. So, whilst you'd still find him tracking back and progressing with the ball, he just doesn't get past players or score as much as he did when he peaked a couple of seasons ago...For now, Salah is clearly having the better season...I make bold to say that if Egypt had won the AFCON, then Salah would have stood a good chance to win the Balon d'or assuming Liverpool go ahead to win a couple of trophies but it's not a case with Mane, he has not had a stellar season up to this moment though if he up his game and plays a stellar role for Liverpool in the remaining months of a season, the odds might just switch to his favor...

Mane has somewhat dimmed attacking wise since mid last season, he misses more chances and misplaces more key passes unlike before, Tbh sef to me he wasn't really that spectacular at AFCON, He really has to watch his back now as he's returned as that Luiz diaz guy is another monster waiting to seize his starting spot from him, the little I saw of him at Copa America and Porto makes me fear for him especially as age is not really on his side again

donstan18:

I don set trap dey wait for who go fall.

Salah is a system player who’s stat padding under Klop.

He’s not a big game player, hardly show up when it matters. That’s why he got only one open play goal throughout the knockout games they Liverpool won UCL.

Drogba, Rooney and Mane, these are balanced quality complete players who can ball and excel under any manager, big game players, always carrying teams and showing up.

Not cowards like Salah and Henry who are always missing during finals and always depending on attacking workaholics to carry them.

Chai , Person wey you go mean ehn gats fire better serious prayer

Kilishihunter:

Mane has somewhat dimmed attacking wise since mid last season, he misses more chances and misplaces more key passes unlike before, Tbh sef to me he wasn't really that spectacular at AFCON, He really has to watch his back now as he's returned as that Luiz diaz guy is another monster waiting to seize his starting spot from him, the little I saw of him at Copa America and Porto makes me fear for him especially as age is not really on his side again

One thing is certain, Liverpool will have serious options on the bench regardless of who they field...

Mane? I agree he has been underwhelming, he will have to up his game else he'll lose his starting berth...

izzou:
So attackers need to have defensive qualities before they can be rated as Team carriers, okwaya?

Some of you are just wasting your talents.

If you begin your own skits on IG and Tiktok, BaeU and MrFunny no go see Una back

Skrrrrrrrr!

BikeMan:
And they crucified Mourinho for saying 2nd position is an achievement. KingAlabi has kuku said their goal is now FA Cup after spending so much to bring Sancho and the likes to Old Trafford. Finished club

Hahahahahaha. DNA mentality

elampiro:

Who was more important for Chelsea? Hazard or Costa or Fabregas

Sometimes the space creator is more important that the scorer or Assists chart top player

Hazard.