BKayy:

As expected of Afonjas at the emboldened, you have denied them immediately.
Those pictures are actually recent (colonial-wise) and are one of the fairest I can use so that some people can sleep without nightmares today.

My dear, in as much as you are an Afonja, there are things you don't need to deny/betray because you can't push it to another person. Just look at the women, their facial look and characteristic ugliness (if I may use the word) is typical of Afonjas

PressMyButton:

If Aso oke was fulani material, can you tell us what the material is called in fulfude?. Can you also explain why such fabrics are not found among the fulanis. After all, You can give what you have. If Aso oke is to the fulanis, can you show us a pix of a fulani adorned in Aso oke attire?

And as for Cannibalism.. Pls you can't change the narratives. You guys are genetically flesh eaters from prehistory.

PressMyButton:

Those are not Yoruba women. Yoruba women cannot be found unclothed like ibo women whose pictorial evidences are replete with unclothedness.
Moreover, no Yoruba woman sat on a kind of royal stool back in the day. It is sacrilege that Yoruba women take a seat in a royal posturing with bead-like ornaments around their neck.

peleson1:
A school in opobo as far back as 1899

Opobo remains the first city state in West Africa.
The first town to be planned in West Africa.

FreeStuffsNG:
Hahaha. this can never be Ijebu. And Ijebu is not Lagos.

Go to Ijebu, go and see Chief Adeola Odutola colonial majestic castle like building still standing and well maintained till date.

Two things you can not associate with the Yoruba; unclothedness and Cannibalism.

Yoruba don't have a history of walking naked and cannibalism.And here is why; the Yoruba have centuries old cloth weaving technology called Ofi or Asooke and the yoruba have always had food in abundance because there is abundance of water bodies and land. That is why the Yoruba are not land locked and barren.

Those two are never part of Yoruba culture.

BKayy:

As expected of Afonjas at the emboldened, you have denied them immediately.
Those pictures are actually recent (colonial-wise) and are one of the fairest I can use so that some people can sleep without nightmares today.

My dear, in as much as you are an Afonja, there are things you don't need to deny/betray because you can't push it to another person. Just look at the women, their facial look and characteristic ugliness (if I may use the word) is typical of Afonjas

PressMyButton:

Take a close look at the chair, that was a royal stool in the olden days. In Yoruba culture, you rarely see Yoruba women on a royal stool. Except for a regent which was even uncommon among the Ijebu tradition. The picture could have emanated elsewhere from colonial era of Africa.

You might not want to push your luck too far considering the fact that Ibo women were as much characteristically ugly till they had a mixed Gene through sexual slavery and rape by the whites slaves merchants and colonialists. No other women from other tribes were sexually dehumanized as ibo women.

Ok, if we are to play by that, why is it that your own Yoruba women were not raped? Is it because their outstanding ugliness couldn't allow a white rapist to rape them? Like their ugliness scare rapists away

BKayy:

We are genetically flesh eaters according to you but in your own custom, that cannibalism is what differentiates that commoners from the Aristocrats. Your culture brought out a new dimension of meaning for Cannibalism.

As for your Aso oké, I don't need to speak much but show you pictures because I can't be teaching you people your history and customs for free everyday on this forum.

PressMyButton:

Don't be unfortunate, is the fabric in the first picture Aso oke?

The second picture is a recent picture. Across the length and breath of Nigeria, Aso ebi has become a household name. Your posting a Northern lady on an Ankara fabric is a common practice in today's Nigeria. Ibo ladies are one of the highest consumers of Aso ebi too. Don't be dumb.

BKayy:

I don't think you need to stretch this too far because it might prompt me to post the original pictures of how your monarchs (eg Prince Adeliayo of Abeokuta) dress before British social uplifting. Those are your people, stop denying them because of the way they dress. It your heritage, my dear Afonja.


This part is just pure jealousy. It is exactly like those that call tall people "dogo" or those that say "na fair you fair, you no fine"
No matter how dumb any animal is, it must recognise the angelic beauty of Igbo female goddesses. Even racists recognised Igbo women's extraordinary beauty during slave trade.

You know that because you tried to include what never happened to justify their intimidating beauty which is by adding a fallacy of imaginary rape and the other bullshit you wrote.
[b]Ok, if we are to play by that, why is it that your own Yoruba women were not raped? Is it because their outstanding ugliness couldn't allow a white rapist to rape them? Like their ugliness scare rapists away

BKayy:

We are genetically flesh eaters according to you but in your own custom, that cannibalism is what differentiates that commoners from the Aristocrats. Your culture brought out a new dimension of meaning for Cannibalism.

As for your Aso oké, I don't need to speak much but show you pictures because I can't be teaching you people your history and customs for free everyday on this forum.

aribisala0:

They could be , I don't know but they could..
Assuming without conceding the photo is real in the 19th century women across all West Africa often were seen with their breasts exposed.


The shame associated with that today is directly imported frrom Islam and Christianity. It is not indigenous and I do not share it.

If you consider our weather and historical context you would know.

After 4 centuries of slave trade across West Africa there were no textile mills anywhere. Textiles were made by a very expensive process and clothes as we know them today were not worn in the 19th century.
We were first given shame and then textiles which were a significant ite of slave trade/exchange

You assume the stools are "royal" . I don't know.

Assumiing that is the case . The sacrilege you cite is not one I recognize.
I do not see anything wrong with those pictures .They are an accurate reflection of that time.
when Brassieres did not exist in West Africa . Curiosity and not denial is the way to deal with that.

For me they are excellent photos of strong women with a regal beaing.

BKayy:

I don't think you need to stretch this too far because it might prompt me to post the original pictures of how your monarchs (eg Prince Adeliayo of Abeokuta) dress before British social uplifting. Those are your people, stop denying them because of the way they dress. It your heritage, my dear Afonja.


This part is just pure jealousy. It is exactly like those that call tall people "dogo" or those that say "na fair you fair, you no fine"
No matter how dumb any animal is, it must recognise the angelic beauty of Igbo female goddesses. Even racists recognised Igbo women's extraordinary beauty during slave trade.

You know that because you tried to include what never happened to justify their intimidating beauty which is by adding a fallacy of imaginary rape and the other bullshit you wrote.
[b]Ok, if we are to play by that, why is it that your own Yoruba women were not raped? Is it because their outstanding ugliness couldn't allow a white rapist to rape them? Like their ugliness scare rapists away

BKayy:

And the Prince of Abeokuta was wearing animal skin when Fulani was clothing Ilorin Yorubas with Aso oke.
Do you know the problem with you people? Your media has lied so much to you people that you can no longer recognise your ancestors.
Just look at the other one above arguing whether the Ijebu people he is looking at is Ijebu or not.
Afonjas sef

aribisala0:
Nothing wrong in wearing animal skin . At any rate animal skin cannot be every day dress .It s ceremonial and widespread among royalty in Africa all across the continent

Do not allow colonialism imbue you with false shame.

Photographs are photographs you are posting them and telling us what they mean. How can one deduce Fulani was clothing anyone from those photos?

The question is technology?

What weaving technology is used for asooke and where is that located?

Not projecting your own issues on to the innocent photo

BKayy:

And the Prince of Abeokuta was wearing animal skin when Fulani was clothing Ilorin Yorubas with Aso oke.
Do you know the problem with you people? Your media has lied so much to you people that you can no longer recognise your ancestors.
Just look at the other one above arguing whether the Ijebu people he is looking at is Ijebu or not.
Afonjas sef

PressMyButton:

So, what's your point?.. Is anyone in the pics naked?
That's a clothing made of hides and skin. It exudes sophistication and warriors' regalia at the time. They had bows and arrows with a touch of patterned designs. Ibos were too cavemen to have had such.
It is a type commonly found among the Zulus of South Africa.
It's a privilege for ibos being in Nigeria. Our artistry and intelligence is robbing off on your folklore heritage. Unfortunately, many ibos like you from the backwaters are still much ungrateful and unrefined beyond lies and falsehoods.

aribisala0:
Nothing wrong in wearing animal skin . At any rate animal skin cannot be every day dress .It s ceremonial and widespread among royalty in Africa all across the continent

Do not allow colonialism imbue you with false shame.

Photographs are photographs you are posting them and telling us what they mean. How can one deduce Fulani was clothing anyone from those photos?

The question is technology?

What weaving technology is used for asooke and where is that located?

Not projecting your own issues on to the innocent photo

PressMyButton:

So, what's your point?.. Is anyone in the pics naked?
That's a clothing made of hides and skin. It exudes sophistication and warriors' regalia at the time. They had bows and arrows with a touch of patterned designs. Ibos were too cavemen to have had such.
It is a type commonly found among the Zulus of South Africa.
It's a privilege for ibos being in Nigeria. Our artistry and intelligence is robbing off on your folklore heritage. Unfortunately, many ibos like you from the backwaters are still much ungrateful and unrefined beyond lies and falsehoods.

BKayy:

"Whenever an Afonja is cornered, he starts being reasonable"
But you can't deceive me. If I don't know you people, I would have said that you should spread what you just posted to your brothers so they will stop being ashamed of their ancestors, stop claiming what isn't theirs and learn to promote who they are.

I guess you are shocked as hell to see the pictures I dropped here because your media has so much lied to you that many of you don't even know what your ancestors looked like.

Let me tell you one thing, no matter how you project Igbo olden days picture, no matter how it looks like, none of us will be surprised or at worst think of denying them like you Afonjas are doing in this thread. We admire our ancestors ingenuity and originality.

For example, take a look at this beautiful Igbo mama rocking the original indigenous exclusive Igbo chair and our ancient anklets

BKayy:

"Whenever an Afonja is cornered, he starts being reasonable"
But you can't deceive me. If I don't know you people, I would have said that you should spread what you just posted to your brothers so they will stop being ashamed of their ancestors, stop claiming what isn't theirs and learn to promote who they are.

I guess you are shocked as hell to see the pictures I dropped here because your media has so much lied to you that many of you don't even know what your ancestors looked like.

Let me tell you one thing, no matter how you project Igbo olden days picture, no matter how it looks like, none of us will be surprised or at worst think of denying them like you Afonjas are doing in this thread. We admire our ancestors ingenuity and originality.

For example, take a look at this beautiful Igbo mama rocking the original indigenous exclusive Igbo chair and our ancient anklets

aribisala0:

I am not the one you were arguing with
Forget about that talk about being cornered Iam always reasonable you are the emotional needy guy.

I am educating you and I always do that politely
My point is the photographs do not say what you claim they are and I am proud of those photos

I Go and look at my posts . I said assuming without conceding they are Yoruba they could be . I see nothing wrong with those photos and indeed if they are Yoruba I would be proud.
With regard to animal skin again it is not about being reasonable but educating you about the mind enslavement that Christianity and Westernization have done to you as Islam has done in the North.

Why should I be ashamed of wearing Animal skin? That is what the wealthy of that time did
As a historian I will not lie or twist facts if they are genuine. I have no need to run from the truth. It is what it is . We are not narcissists like you lot making up a fictional collective persona

BKayy:

"Whenever an Afonja is cornered, he starts being reasonable"
But you can't deceive me. If I don't know you people, I would have said that you should spread what you just posted to your brothers so they will stop being ashamed of their ancestors, stop claiming what isn't theirs and learn to promote who they are.

I guess you are shocked as hell to see the pictures I dropped here because your media has so much lied to you that many of you don't even know what your ancestors looked like.

Let me tell you one thing, no matter how you project Igbo olden days picture, no matter how it looks like, none of us will be surprised or at worst think of denying them like you Afonjas are doing in this thread. We admire our ancestors ingenuity and originality.

For example, take a look at this beautiful Igbo mama rocking the original indigenous exclusive Igbo chair and our ancient anklets

BKayy:

LOL. No need to start lamenting. The reason why what is supposed to be your original ancestors pictures looks like mockery to you people is because you've lied so much about them that who they are is insulting to you.

You lied that they were literally wearing suits like the thread you people tried to claim British building as Alaafins Palace until we brought the picture you see in this thread.
The thread where you claimed the British styled building as Yoruba https://www.nairaland.com/6828741/throwback-photo-alaafin-oyo-diviner

As for civilisation. The only one of us that brought civilisation to each other was us Igbo(Awka) bringing technology (advanced metal smiting) to you Afonjas.
The receipt is below
https://www.nairaland.com/6765286/early-igbo-sojourners-eastern-yorubaland

As for leaving Nigeria. Both of us know that the only reason why you are against Biafra is that you know that your existence worth absolutely nothing without Ndigbo. Just like a Parasite, you Afonjas being in Nigeria is the greatest that will ever happen in your history. Enjoy it while it last

PressMyButton:

After posing for a picture, she is then led unto a waiting ship offshore as a sex slave. Your ancestors were caught up in every hook of the bait. The white men puts them on anklets to identify his own LovePeddler. You glorify slavery as a trait of inferiority complex passed down to you from birth.

BKayy:

I repeat "whenever an Afonja is cornered, he starts being reasonable"
Until today do you know that
1. Your ancestors wore animal skin as recent as early 20th century?
2. Your Alaafin of Oyo lived inside grasses and palm fronds?
3. Alaafin wives barbed Chinese hairstyle?
4. Your women posed almost nude for camera?

I don't blame you people but your media that has decieved you people to the extent that pictures of your ancestors is now insult to you people just like the aerial view of your cities.

Today the same Yoruba man that tried to claim British building, that claims no history of nudity and animal skin clothing is saying that
1. Animal skin is fashionable
2. Exposed breast is ok
Let me not talk about the other funny things you said. All thanks to my brain reformatting evidences. Isn't Nairaland wonderful?
Ndi ara

Would you mind reminding me what brought all these arguments/exposure/education?

BKayy:

They say ordinary rocks look like diamonds to wretched people that have never seen jewellery
The history of Yoruba poverty is now telling on your comment.

My dear Afonja, those are anklets and believe it or not, they are Igbo owned. You know our accomplishments look so sophisticated that you savages devise various gossips to downgrade it in a bid to make it look as if both of us are on the same level of savagery.

There has never been anything you broke people came close to Igbo wealth.
If you can say such nonsense about our anklets, only God knows what you will say about these

BKayy:

LOL. No need to start lamenting. The reason why what is supposed to be your original ancestors pictures looks like mockery to you people is because you've lied so much about them that who they are is insulting to you.

You lied that they were literally wearing suits like the thread you people tried to claim British building as Alaafins Palace until we brought the picture you see in this thread.
The thread where you claimed the British styled building as Yoruba https://www.nairaland.com/6828741/throwback-photo-alaafin-oyo-diviner

As for civilisation. The only one of us that brought civilisation to each other was us Igbo(Awka) bringing technology (advanced metal smiting) to you Afonjas.
The receipt is below
https://www.nairaland.com/6765286/early-igbo-sojourners-eastern-yorubaland

As for leaving Nigeria. Both of us know that the only reason why you are against Biafra is that you know that your existence worth absolutely nothing without Ndigbo. Just like a Parasite, you Afonjas being in Nigeria is the greatest that will ever happen in your history. Enjoy it while it last