Arguing foreign policy with Nigerians here is a waste of time, their myopic reasoning won't let them see fact, too much of CNN and BBC, with a touch of nta, has clouded their mentality, Or should i say ignorance also

creedencity:


Man as much as your points sounds reasonable, you are being prejudice while at it. Try to learn more about world politricks sire.

Ok

They are playing games with the lives of Ukrainian, UN and NATO want to uses Ukraine to attack Russia, but the good tin is that Russia knows there plans.

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Ooh so attacking them is a way forward?
Why will Ukraine sort a war with Russia for no reason? isn't that d**mb?

You can't tell a sovereign country what to do and how to run their country..did they launch any offensive against Russia?no
If you or Putin ain't scared and doesn't have any ulterior motive why forcing Ukraine to lick your boots?

No point here just some bully..I can't imagine Egypt or Algeria invading your country cos you decide to do something for the betterment of your country.. NATO did not launch any offensive against Russia did they?
Ukraine is being bullied and needeed help?how would you feel if your senior bro keep hurting you so as to force you to do what he wants? won't you look for a solution? or you will keep smiling and enduring huh?
So what exactly is your point?

Read about the Cuba crisis then you will be enlightened

Rugaria:


For no reason?
The problem here is that you are giving NATO and the West a free pass. In your mind, they're infallible. You really think the West never saw this crises coming? This crises have been brewing for over a decade. The West knows what they're doing. Russia knows what they are doing too. Russia understands Western manipulations and scheming and are basically trying to upstage them.

You have to understand how NATO works. Once you're a member of NATO, if you're attacked, all members of NATO have a duty to join hands to defend you. It means that the attackers will be facing the military arsenal of the whole of western Europe and others that are members of NATO. NATO is the biggest fighting block as at today and represents the biggest military danger to countries like Russia and China...

So what happens if Ukraine joins NATO and a president of Ukraine starts a sort of war with Russia? NATO will have to do something to defend Ukraine. That means that all of a sudden, Russia will have to fight The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain , Portugal etc. These are some of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. You're going to face them over a minor squabble with your neighbor? Right at your borders! Especially a neighbor that has ethnic Russians as her citizens too?

This is very simple. I don't know why it looks so confusing to some. Russia is trying to get Ukraine within her sphere of influence. That's what you do when you're a super power. The Americans do it, the USSR did it, China is trying to do it. If you leave your flanks open, your competitors will enter an dismantle you. If you doubt this, try to make Mexico a strategic ally of Russia or China, .. The Americans will react even more ferociously than Russia is doing today to that. During the Venezuelan crises, The US did whatever it could to make sure that Russia never had a military post in Venezuela. Yet Venezuela has no border crossings with The United States. How much more a country with land borders with the US..

I am not sure you read and understood the topic.

before the NATO and EU alliance, what pushed ukraine to considered joining NATO ?
you collected their crimea territory, you are backing two separatist group .. and what do you want ukraine to do.

imagine if cameroun is funding biafra searatist and cameroun is bigger than nigeria , what will nigeria do n?

MERCHANDISER:



Since USA won't allow China or Russia to have Military base in
Canada,Mexico,why will Russia or China allow USA to do so in
Ukraine and Taiwan ?

The consequence of this War...."There will be a new world order where Russia and China will be
world leaders and communism will trump democracy all over
the world"

its because they are not their allies neither do they belong to their pact. Ukraine as I said earlier is a sovereign and as long as you belong to a certain bloc or pact then definitely you must abide by their rules... Ukraine is no longer under Russia or Warsaw.

Elbeamer:

Read about the Cuba crisis then you will be enlightened

You should cos I don't see how that relate with invading a nation for no logical reason..

frog12:
another nollywood expert

Maybe so, but then again, are you the sole repository of all knowledge on International Politics?

So, if a point of view at variance with yours cannot be 'real', then from where do you form your own opinions & views? Or are you all knowing?

AK481:


I am not sure you read and understood the topic.

before the NATO and EU alliance, what pushed ukraine to considered joining NATO ?
you collected their crimea territory, you are backing two separatist group .. and what do you want ukraine to do.

imagine if cameroun is funding biafra searatist and cameroun is bigger than nigeria , what will nigeria do n?

Russian agression over the years. Ukraine wants a security umbrella. Same as Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania e.t.c.

Rugaria:


Putin has the right to defend his country. He is taking a very important proactive step to safeguard his country. if Chad decides to give ISIS or Boko Haram a base to deploy their troops and organize their attacks against Nigeria, Nigeria has the right to take every action to stop Chad. If Nigeria refuses to act, it's a sign of weakness and lack of foresight within the countrys leadership and not something to celebrate. That exactly is the thing Russia is doing. NATO was formed to term the USSR. The USSR is dead, what's NATO still doing positioning herself within a striking distance to Russia? Ukraine got herself into this mess by deciding to join a military group that represents her neighbors worse enemies

You make no sense. It still doesn't justify why Russia to invade Ukraine.
Hazbello teorrist are being back by yemen, and the government give them shelter and yet Isreal did not invade yemen.

FERNANDEZISBACK:

We are having a mature debate no insult..he had something to say so what's your issue with that..
You are either contributing something sensible or just slide off without acting like a petty kid..

Very apt and correct

ademola721gmai:

Very apt and correct

Thanks..

just2endowed:


You make no sense. It still doesn't justify why Russia to invade Ukraine.
Hazbello teorrist are being back by yemen, and the government give them shelter and yet Isreal did not invade yemen.

But that’s the main reason why Israel keep bombarding Syria at every given opportunity to prevent Hezbollah from using Syria(which shares border with Israel) from using Syria as a base

ah. we are just here to learn, laugh and enjoy

ivandragon:


Maybe so, but then again, are you the sole repository of all knowledge on International Politics?

So, if a point of view at variance with yours cannot be 'real', then from where do you form your own opinions & views? Or are you all knowing?

wirinet:

How can NATO be created to resist German aggression in 1949 when Germany was already defeated in 1945?
Why not use Google to cure your ignorance on NATO and it's formation.




What is the founding principle of NATO?

Which Russian aggression made Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic join NATO in 1999 less that 10 years after the Soviet Union and Therefore Warsaw pact broke up?

Which security situation made Eastern European countries like Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia join NATO in 2004?

These small country offer nothing new to NATO capabilities except providing a base close to Russia.

Russia feels being chocked by the U.S. and that's why it's started to react more and more aggressively.

Imagine someone who said NATO was formed created to resist aggression against Germany accusing someone of cluelessness, is that ironic?

In all these why are you forgetting that Putin said Ukraine does not have a right to exist?

Do you really think that this is about NATO or the fact that Putin is hiding under that pretext, when we have Latvia, Estonia all bordering Russia as part of NATO if NATO was such a danger to Russia why have they not attacked Russia ever since.

Why is Putin singling out Ukraine?

you know usa get soldiers for syria. so also turkey. they invade syria and they no give them sanctions.

kai this world no balance.

ademola721gmai:

But that’s the main reason why Israel keep bombarding Syria at every given opportunity to prevent Hezbollah from using Syria(which shares border with Israel) from using Syria as a base

Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania got lucky they joined NATO before the arrival of someone like Putin. They have a security umbrella to protect themselves from Russian agression.


Ukraine, not so lucky.

jidxin:
its because they are not their allies neither do they belong to their pact. Ukraine as I said earlier is a sovereign and as long as you belong to a certain bloc or pact then definitely you must abide by their rules... Ukraine is no longer under Russia or Warsaw.

Agreed with the above. That’s why some international relation expert cried about the precedence the US and Britain were settling then , when they both Unilaterally (bypassing the UN) invaded Iraq (a sovereign country) under the pretext of Iraq being in possession of WMD. The world has never been the same again after the invasion

another one wey dey watch too much cnn,bbc,msnbc, etc. go to RT on youtube and you go understand putin speech. all the western media are all twisting his speech to make the guy look like hitler. even UK govt wan ban RT from broadcasting. can you believe these hypocrites ??

Ladyhippolyta88:


In all these why are you forgetting that Putin said Ukraine does not have a right to exist?

Do you really think that this is about NATO or the fact that Putin is hiding under that pretext, when we have Latvia, Estonia all bordering Russia as part of NATO if NATO was such a danger to Russia why have they not attacked Russia ever since.

Why is Putin singling out Ukraine?

BusterG:

EXPLAINER: Why exactly is Putin invading Ukraine?



Source

https://www.thecable.ng/explainer-why-exactly-is-putin-invading-ukraine/amp

Whoever wrote this is just an opportunist clown who has never followed the proceedings in this region.

-NATO and Russia are sworn enemies... let’s not kid ourselves.

-Euromiadan in 2014 was a color revolution to remove a pro-Russian leader. Same as was attempted in Kazakhstan and Turkey.

-It was a CIA ops to take control of the administration of the government and install a pro-western leaning government.

- A pro-western government that will sign NATO membership. NATO wants to cancel out MAD and setup offensive capabilities with 5 minutes flight time to Moscow.

- Russia took Crimea, not only because it was a Russian gift to Ukraine but it hosts a very strategic port in Sevastopol. NATO has always dreamed of having this port.

- NATO has been building up strategic paramilitary alliances as a “bleeding” force on the Russian side to keep the Russians busy fighting in the Donbas. the notorious. Azov battalion in Ukraine is one of such paramilitary forces.

-

Ladyhippolyta88:


In all these why are you forgetting that Putin said Ukraine does not have a right to exist?

Do you really think that this is about NATO or the fact that Putin is hiding under that pretext, when we have Latvia, Estonia all bordering Russia as part of NATO if NATO was such a danger to Russia why have they not attacked Russia ever since.

Why is Putin singling out Ukraine?

Estonia and Latvia are next door to Putin and former USSR too, if dem born am well, let him invade any of those countries

FERNANDEZISBACK:

And I asked did you know the atrocities he committed?

Kindly explicate, what atrocities did he commit in trying to protect his country's sovereignty and its populace?

“Far too often the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and thrive, it must not be either side’s outpost against the other — it should function as a bridge between them.
The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can never be just a foreign country. Russian history began in what was called Kievan-Rus. The Russian religion spread from there. Ukraine has been part of Russia for centuries, and their histories were intertwined before then. Some of the most important battles for Russian freedom”-
Henry A. Kissinger. US secretary of state from 1973 to 1977.

Rugaria:


For no reason?
The problem here is that you are giving NATO and the West a free pass. In your mind, they're infallible. You really think the West never saw this crises coming? This crises have been brewing for over a decade. The West knows what they're doing. Russia knows what they are doing too. Russia understands Western manipulations and scheming and are basically trying to upstage them.

You have to understand how NATO works. Once you're a member of NATO, if you're attacked, all members of NATO have a duty to join hands to defend you. It means that the attackers will be facing the military arsenal of the whole of western Europe and others that are members of NATO. NATO is the biggest fighting block as at today and represents the biggest military danger to countries like Russia and China...

So what happens if Ukraine joins NATO and a president of Ukraine starts a sort of war with Russia? NATO will have to do something to defend Ukraine. That means that all of a sudden, Russia will have to fight The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain , Portugal etc. These are some of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. You're going to face them over a minor squabble with your neighbor? Right at your borders! Especially a neighbor that has ethnic Russians as her citizens too?

This is very simple. I don't know why it looks so confusing to some. Russia is trying to get Ukraine within her sphere of influence. That's what you do when you're a super power. The Americans do it, the USSR did it, China is trying to do it. If you leave your flanks open, your competitors will enter an dismantle you. If you doubt this, try to make Mexico a strategic ally of Russia or China, .. The Americans will react even more ferociously than Russia is doing today to that. During the Venezuelan crises, The US did whatever it could to make sure that Russia never had a military post in Venezuela. Yet Venezuela has no border crossings with The United States. How much more a country with land borders with the US..

You have spoken well. The West especially USA always like doing to others what they will not allow others do to them. Even though Putin is a dictator, but he is being proactive here. The West always try to use media to misinform and manipulate people. They make you see see your friends as enemies. They have achieved this over the years through movies, BBC, CNN and their likes.

MERCHANDISER:

Democracy my foot.
Nigeria or even the mighty USA that is practicing democracy are they more developed infrastructure-wise than China or Russia ?

Russia, a resounding yes. China, slightly yes.

China and Russia don't even have the best infrastructure in Asia. Maybe you don't know about South Korea or Singapore or Taiwan. The Asian Tigers. Strong democrats.

frog12:
ah. we are just here to learn, laugh and enjoy

We can do that without being demeaning or Childish.

There are those who have beautifully marshalled thier points in favour of and against the current invasion of Ukraine... & I assure you, the people in Ukraine who are suffering the effects of war do not think it is a 'nollywood movie'. Not by a long shot...

So WWIII is just the beginning then. This is becoming real.

ivandragon:


Well, who knows what will happen next?

If one should use the Prussian wars, WW 1 & 2 as an analytical base, then there is no way Africa will not be dragged directly or indirectly into the war.

For one, as natural resources become scarce in the major areas of conflict, the warring nations will turn to Africa to further exploit its natural resources to fuel their war engines & economy. With that, the major powers will seek to disrupt the other from gaining a foothold in the African countries with the richest resources & this will lead to a circle of regime changes, more rebel & secessionist groups, realignment of terror groups who would suddenly enter the Good books of some nations etc...

A global conflict does not bode well for Africa... but again, who knows...

frog12:
another one wey dey watch too much cnn,bbc,msnbc, etc. go to RT on youtube and you go understand putin speech. all the western media are all twisting his speech to make the guy look like hitler. even UK govt wan ban RT from broadcasting. can you believe these hypocrites ??

Many here never understand what information war is. No doubt the Russians may find it difficult to beat the west in information war. For the Russians, they rather careless about how the rest of the sheeples care about them. Their goal is strategic and they don’t mince words when they say the west has ceased a red line.

The information war will move to the next phase now that Zelensky is declaring surrender!

The west will cry about civilian deaths, murdered babies, killed grand daddies, Russians rape of innocent teenagers in Ukraine, Turning off incubators in Kiev general hospital, taking the hearts out of dead Ukrainian soldiers... used chemical weapons to overwhelm Ukie forces... the list goes on

FERNANDEZISBACK:
The question is what's his issue with Ukraine if not his selfish benefit..it's just like hurting and torturing your wife cos of her choice for the betterment of her life against you..

Putin wants the old Soviet glory nothing else..he has no right to invade a sovereign country for no logical reason..
Modified: Ukraine insisted willingly to join NATO and it has been for a while now..no one is forcing them.. understand that...

Putin is claiming that he's safe guarding his country's borders but I strongly believe that there are other motives.

turkey ke? under erdogan? so also was libya...that was a ops work

owagbeba:


Whoever wrote this is just an opportunist clown who has never followed the proceedings in this region.

-NATO and Russia are sworn enemies... let’s not kid ourselves.

-Euromiadan in 2014 was a color revolution to remove a pro-Russian leader. Same as was attempted in Kazakhstan and Turkey.

-It was a CIA ops to take control of the administration of the government and install a pro-western leaning government.

- A pro-western government that will sign NATO membership. NATO wants to cancel out MAD and setup offensive capabilities with 5 minutes flight time to Moscow.

- Russia took Crimea, not only because it was a Russian gift to Ukraine but it hosts a very strategic port in Sevastopol. NATO has always dreamed of having this port.

- NATO has been building up strategic paramilitary alliances as a “bleeding” force on the Russian side to keep the Russians busy fighting in the Donbas. the notorious. Azov battalion in Ukraine is one of such paramilitary forces.

-

JohnBullMySon:
Russia, a resounding yes. China, slightly yes.

China and Russia don't even have the best infrastructure in Asia. Maybe you don't know about South Korea or Singapore or Taiwan. The Asian Tigers. Strong democrats.

I guess you forgot to look up what ethnic groups make up Singapore and Taiwan........ they are chinese

owagbeba:


Whoever wrote this is just an opportunist clown who has never followed the proceedings in this region.

-NATO and Russia are sworn enemies... let’s not kid ourselves.

-Euromiadan in 2014 was a color revolution to remove a pro-Russian leader. Same as was attempted in Kazakhstan and Turkey.

-It was a CIA ops to take control of the administration of the government and install a pro-western leaning government.

- A pro-western government that will sign NATO membership. NATO wants to cancel out MAD and setup offensive capabilities with 5 minutes flight time to Moscow.

- Russia took Crimea, not only because it was a Russian gift to Ukraine but it hosts a very strategic port in Sevastopol. NATO has always dreamed of having this port.

- NATO has been building up strategic paramilitary alliances as a “bleeding” force on the Russian side to keep the Russians busy fighting in the Donbas. the notorious. Azov battalion in Ukraine is one of such paramilitary forces.

-