Janosky:

This was his LYING mouth making false claim.


Everyone can see that this deceptive man reframed & edited his previous post "pioneer of such Cross is Founder Rutherford."
He deceptively pass off his 2nd post as if it was the claim in his first post.

Everyone can see Achorladey is LYING as usual.
Na him way.

This was his LYING mouth making false claim.

Everyone can see that this deceptive man reframed & edited his previous post "pioneer of such Cross is Founder Rutherford."

Did RUSSELL and RUTHERFORD used CROSS or NOT in their publications?

Are they the founders of freemason renowned for the use of the cross?

He deceptively pass off his 2nd post as if it was the claim in his first post.

This was his LYING mouth making false claim.

Janosky:


I asked you 2 questions you refused to answer:
1. Have you ever seen that cross in your church/house in any JWs house?
2.
Have you ever seen any cross in any JWs place of worship?

Oga, be honest to yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
Today peaceful citizens of Ukraine will wish all Russians were JWs because if it's so nobody will carry weapons in support of Vladimir Putin against them!

oteneaaron:


How is proclaiming a FAKE PROPHECY simply referred to as "ERRING"?

Chai !!!
See as educated person dey type GIBBERISH supported by two mumubrities .

Oga according to your dictionary (screenshot)
is a "FAKE PROPHECY" an error?
Is a FAKE PROPHECY correct?

oteneaaron:


Not just on one occasion - multiple times.

JW - the world will end in 1914 - FAILED

JW - the world will end in 1925 - FAILED

JW - the world will end in 1975 - FAILED

Even Jesus said he knows neither the day nor the hour.

Go figure!!

Luke 24:21 & Luke 19:11, Matthew 26:31-35, the disciples predictions also failed multiple times.

Luke 24:25, the sole reason Jesus Christ called them "foolish."
Oga, continue WAILING upandan with childish rants

Ammishaddai:
Oga, just answer the question and stop throwing rhetorical statements that show your inconsistencies

Janosky:


Luke 24:21 & Luke 19:11, Matthew 26:31-35, the disciples predictions also failed multiple times.

Luke 24:25, the sole reason Jesus Christ called them "foolish."
Oga, continue WAILING upandan with childish rants

oteneaaron:


Did the disciples of Jesus predict the end of the world?

Jesus said he knew neither the day nor the hour.

oteneaaron:


Why is your organization so presumptuous, that they have jumped the gun multiple times to predict the end of the world?

Is it a ploy to garner more members into your fold?

Just like what happened in 1975?

Ammishaddai:
Oga, just answer the question and stop throwing rhetorical statements that show your inconsistencies

oteneaaron:
Go and read about the history of your religion very well.
Go and read about the "Rosetta Stone"
What you practice as Christianity, is a cheap copy of ancient Egyptian mystery religion.

oteneaaron:


Did the disciples of Jesus predict the end of the world?

Jesus said he knew neither the day nor the hour.

Why is your organization so presumptuous, that they have jumped the gun multiple times to predict the end of the world?

Is it a ploy to garner more members into your fold?

Just like what happened in 1975?

Luke 24:21, Luke 19:11 ,Matt24:3 &Acts 1:6-7, the disciples failed prediction was their expected ending of the world.

MaxInDHouse:




Identify your enemy!

Janosky:


Cross (wey freemason occult dey use ) full inside your house and your church yet you label JWs as "cult."

Ammishaddai, your education is a Sham.
Please,go back to kindergarten and begin afresh..

MaxInDHouse:




Identify your enemy!

oteneaaron:


Cheap blackmail from MaxInDHouse the military intelligence officer!!

How does this make me his enemy?

If you actually took the time off Nairaland to do your research about the true origins of your religion, you would know that Christianity as a whole is a copy of ancient Egyptian mystery religion.

That is a FACT.

But all you know is BLACK and WHITE, and nothing in between.

achorladey:


That is why dey cite Bible verses without quoting it to propagate what is not even in the verse dey cite. He knows all the verses he had been using repeatedly to show that the disciples err in predicting wrongly does not apply.

He needs to keep repeating to see someone will accept it hook line and sinker without questions even when he knew it doesn't apply.

Here are his words below with analysis........



Matthew 24:21..............

Matthew 24:3 ....While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”


Acts 1:6,7 So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” 7 He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.*

Luke 19:11 While they were listening to these things, he told another illustration, because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the Kingdom of God was going to appear instantly.

Luke 24:21

But we were hoping that this man was the one who was going to deliver Israel. Yes, and besides all these things, this is the third day since these things occurred


Where in all this scripture did they the disciples ever predicted that the Lord will return on a particular date or go as far as giving different dates?

To show how his defense becomes laughable. The last words of Jesus captured in Acts 1:6,7 states it does not belong to the disciples or those they now call GOVERNING Body to know what is placed under the jurisdiction of the Father.

Rather they went ahead to start using Daniel's prophecy to calculate ERRORS upon ERRORS on what they have NO jurisdiction. You see how WRECKLESS this is? Even went as far as stating the year of return for David, Abraham and the rest.

To save their face, what they already see as dates marked for the Lord's coming became dates that stands for the beginning of the last days

Errors falling on top of ERRORS

Two wrongs to them will make a right or justify being correct in their mode of operation

To him that they successfully did the wrong thing just like the disciples is validation and justification for being RIGHT . When other Christian denominations do same, they class them as Babylon the great, Satan organisation

MaxInDHouse:


Then tell him the same thing, let him know that you feel the same way towards him so he won't think you're only against JWs but all those claiming believers in Jesus of Nazareth!

oteneaaron:

So you really think Jesus was an actual figure in history?
DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Have you heard about the Egyptian Christ called Horus?
He was born of virgin, baptized at 30, resurrected Lazarus, turned water into wine, had a sermon on the mount, etc at least 2000 years before the Jesus of the Bible.
I gave you pointers sometime ago, go and start from reading those books.
Instead of taking the Bible as literal history - which it isn't, you should understand that it is all MYTHS and ALLEGORIES.
But I can't spoon feed you sir.
You have to find out this information for yourself.
It is not an issue of hate or attack.
History has proven this over and over again.
The life and story of Jesus is not unique, neither is it literal history.
There have been many "Christ Figures" from different cultures way older than Jesus of the Bible.
Go and read about - -
Horus, Dionysus, Krishna, Bacchus, Mythrias, but to mention a few.
DO YOUR RESEARCH!!

MaxInDHouse:

The only research i know here shows that you're a LIAR.
If truthfully you have something tangible to offer you should be open to all not only JWs!

oteneaaron:


How am I a LIAR?

Have you done any counter research to prove false any of my claims?

This isn't about name calling.

JWs have claimed to be the "only true religion" but extensive research into its true origins, with the assistance of its own publications has proven that to be a BLATANTLY FALSE CLAIM.

So if the JW organization has been proven to be false, the next step is to take our extensive research to the true roots of Christianity itself.

But you are not willing to take that hard road, you prefer to be spoon fed with ever changing doctrines from men like you.

Instead of you to do yourself a favor, and give your mind a chance to change your world view, you prefer INDOCTRINATION.

Is that not tantamount to LYING to your own self?

MaxInDHouse:


According to your research is any religion claiming Christian true?
If your answer is NO then your concentration on just one group is confirmed insincerity!

oteneaaron:


What do you mean?

How am I being insincere?

Did you even read any of what I typed up there?

No other organization has come outright and claimed to be the "one true religion", "God's Organization", "God's only channel of communication", or "God's spirit-led organization.

Only yours, the JWs/ the Watchtower Organization, have made this claim.

And because of that, we MUST first dismantle that FALSE CLAIM, before moving on to the next step of doing extensive research into the roots of Christianity as a whole.

But what do I know?

The Ball is in your court and like I have said countless times before now, I CAN'T SPOON FEED YOU.

You have to do this for yourself.

But from the look of things at this moment, you are not ready to free your mind from the shackles of religious indoctrination.

So continue receiving your weekly Zoom dose of indoctrination, and refuse to do any refuse research for yourself.

One day, it will dawn on you.

Cheers!!

MaxInDHouse:

While others who are equally wrong are joining you against one group shey?
Well such joint effort of criticism can only achieve one thing in the mind of a JW:
Jesus already warned us that the world will hate us for claiming exactly what he claimed that led to the same kind of hatred he faces in the first century!
Do you now see where your so called research failed woefully?

oteneaaron:

That is where you got it all wrong.
Where is the hate in any of my statement?
Your organization says it is the one true religion. To prove that statement, we MUST study the history of your organization, and study ALL of your publications - both new and old.

oteneaaron:

Don't confuse what Jesus was saying with your organization. Don't get it twisted - He wasn't talking about you.

oteneaaron:


That is where you got it all wrong.

Where is the hate in any of my statement?

Your organization says it is the one true religion.

To prove that statement, we MUST study the history of your organization, and study ALL of your publications - both new and old.

Don't confuse what Jesus was saying with your organization.

Don't get it twisted - He wasn't talking about you.

Your organization says it is the one true religion.

Don't confuse what Jesus was saying with your organization.

MaxInDHouse:

When talking about reality try to consider the profession of others and their experience in life. When you say Max (the former agent of the intelligence) i expected you to challenge that intelligence from a critical point of view not a childish challenge that'll keep making you sound like a baby before real intellectuals.

Do you truly want to challenge my intelligence or you're just trying to blackmail a group all because of their bold claim of being the only true religion?
Well to prove something is right or wrong you must be prepared to check all sides not just the history. WHY? Because humans are capable of lying and by so doing conceal facts that may lead you to get what you truly desire to find out.
What assurance do you have that all those stories you're relying upon aren't fabricated to distort facts?
Remember i am an ex military intelligence officer so i've gotten much more experience than you in this field. We deal with people and things we're able to gather through what they say. But we don't forget one thing that's behind all human actions: "MOTIVE"
So no matter what any agent may think he is able to gather he must first be certain of the MOTIVE behind otherwise the intelligence will tell you "you still need to go back for another course" because everything humans do has a MOTIVE behind it and once you can't perceive the MOTIVE then you've done nothing worthwhile before the intelligence!

MaxInDHouse:

This is where your insincerity becomes really obvious!
Is Jesus a real historical figure or just a myth?
In the intelligence we don't discard anything no matter how stupid it may sound as long as we're able to perceive the MOTIVE behind it.
The Bible talked about a God who claims to be the Almighty, this God authored the book and PERFECTLY made sure it reached all the four corners of the earth so the first thing any true researcher need to find out is the MOTIVE behind that book (Bible)
The so called history you've gathered all these while means nothing to the intelligence unless you're able to tell the MOTIVE behind the production of that book that has become the most important book and best seller of all time (Bible)
As for Jesus and whatever the book says about him that's just secondary not our primary goal!

oteneaaron:

Why do you keep contradicting yourself?
To investigate whether or not Jesus was a real figure in history, and if the Bible in itself is based on true history and not MYTHS and ALLEGORIES, we MUST do extensive research into the history of Christianity and the Bible itself. Why do I say this? Haven't you heard of the council of Nicea that was set up by Emperor Constantine after his "conversion" into Christianity? How do you think you got the little 66 books in the Bible? It is a known FACT that at least 2,000 years before the life and story of Jesus was complied in the the Bible, there was already a similar story of a God-Man also known as the KRST or CHRIST in ancient Egypt called HORUS. HORUS was even called IUSA, which is an earlier version of the word "Jesus"
- HORUS was born on the 25th of December
- He was born of a virgin and 3 wise men came to pay homage to him on the day of his birth
- He turned water into wine
- He resurrected a man called El Asarus
- He healed the sick and infirmed
- He walked on water, etc...
Go and read about the Rosetta Stone, the Naghamadi Scriptures, and the Behistun rock.
The stories in the Bible are not unique.
Even the basic creation story of Genesis in the Bible is not even original - it is a cheap copy of the original creation story from the ATRAHASIS and the ENUMA ELISH found on the clay cuneiform tablets from ancient Mesopotamia which predates every known civilization by thousands of years.
But I can't SPOON FEED you.
You must DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
The information is out there for you.
All you need to do is find it.

oteneaaron:


Interesting points I must admit - Mr Military Intelligence Officer

But why are you now asking about my MOTIVE?

What facts am I trying to conceal?

The extensive research into proving whether or not your organization is the "only true religion" is based on YOUR OWN PUBLICATION.

Or is that not a valid source of research?

To understand if a religion or organization is what it really says it is, we MUST investigate its HISTORY and its own PUBLICATIONS.

It is you who is shying away from doing this extensive research about the true origins of the religion you profess.

Isn't that in reality being insincere?

What are you scared of?

From the look of things, it is you who should be asked if you have a MOTIVE.

Because, why are you not digging deep into the history of your religion and into your own "old publications"?

But why are you now asking about my MOTIVE?

From the look of things, it is you who should be asked if you have a MOTIVE.

achorladey:


See as you run from STUMBLING to HATE.

Jumping from one place to another. When Russell and Rutherford where scrutinizing the religious organization that were in existence during their time, you forget your HATRED card then.


When you go calling people hopeless, useless and workers of INIQUITIES, you did not remember your HATRED card.

Reality already tells us many of the fruit you have come to embrace today stem and root from the the works abi na fruit of what you call NO OTHER RELIGION will produce.

achorladey:

You just laugh how they keep doing what they accuse others.
See the below from their magazine Awake 2000...........
........ Some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts............
When discussion get locked. That start seeking for motives and best performance performing group.

MaxInDHouse:


Focusing on facts that says "Jesus was a myth"
Clap for yourself!

Janosky:


Did Jesus Christ love workers of INIQUITIES?

Reality already tells us many of the fruit you have come to embrace today stem and root from the the works abi na fruit of what you call NO OTHER RELIGION will produce