USA is one country but each of the states has their own constitution, Supreme Court, electoral body, their own police. And thats why theyre prosperous.

Canada has same thing. Why cant we do it here?

When you say war, what does that mean? That because they said use your resources to develop yourself then youll start fighting Bayelsa? If you're not viable then merge.

Maybe these states shouldn't have been created in the first place. A solution to that would be regional autonomy with regional police force, Supreme Court etc

backbencher:


Dividing the country still won't solve the problem

Plus your division comes with the idea that it would be three different Nigerias. It would be more than that

And all of them resource hungry

Recipie for war.

backbencher:



First, my problem with restructing is that we don't have the conditions for restructing.

At the end, restructing to me means we all go back to the First republic when every region 'Produced something' The thing is 1) our agricututral and mineral sectors are not where they used to be 2) we don't have the guaranteed markets we used to have in the 1960's 3) we don't have mechanised agriculture 4) we don't have an organised mining sector.

And anyway, we end up selling stuff whose prices we don't control.

Let's fix our low tax uptake, let Nigerians pay more in tax...especially the 70% of Nigerians who don't pay income tax to the state and FG, then we would have money for state police.

Let's also get our economy off oil , pay our light bills, end subsides on power and petrol, so that we can have more money at hand, grow well, then we can talk about restructring.


Because, and I know people don't like this....restructruing for now means taking oil money away from 80% of the country and leaving them to fend for themselves. If that does not provoke a resource related civil war, what won't.

If Nigerians should pay more tax it simply means south would pay 80% of the tax and north gets 60% of the tax with the present arrangement

Are you willing to do that ? ...why should people be made to pay for a project they don't believe in ?

DMerciful:
USA is one country but each of the states has their own constitution, Supreme Court, electoral body, their own police. And thats why theyre prosperous.

Canada has same thing. Why cant we do it here?

When you say war, what does that mean? That because they said use your resources to develop yourself then youll start fighting Bayelsa? If you're not viable then merge.

Maybe these states shouldn't have been created in the first place. A solution to that would be regional autonomy with regional police force, Supreme Court etc

Each of the states indigenes also pay enough tax to maintain those institutions

Each of those states are either heavily industrialized, have mechanized agriculture on a large scale or both and the sector's export heavily

Nigeria needs to do a lot of changing before we can be at that level

That involves making hard choices which i have outlined and which you ignore

mrvitalis:

If Nigerians should pay more tax it simply means south would pay 80% of the tax and north gets 60% of the tax with the present arrangement

Are you willing to do that ? ...why should people be made to pay for a project they don't believe in ?

By taxation i mean that northerners and Southerenrs not paying income tax to the state and federal government all pay taxes

From the rich man to the poor farmer, herdsmen, hawker, etc etc.

Every one.

Each state should then have enough to stand on.

backbencher:


Dividing the country still won't solve the problem

Plus your division comes with the idea that it would be three different Nigerias. It would be more than that

And all of them resource hungry

Recipie for war.

No body said dividing the country would solve the problems of Nigeria ...but it would make solving them far easier

Which one is easier

Igbo youths coming together to hold their leaders accountable since the leaders control resources n security ...or Nigerian youths of different tribes coming together and holding leaders accountable from different angles when they want different things

mrvitalis:

No body said dividing the country would solve the problems of Nigeria ...but it would make solving them far easier

Which one is easier

Igbo youths coming together to hold their leaders accountable since the leaders control resources n security ...or Nigerian youths of different tribes coming together and holding leaders accountable from different angles when they want different things

Nigeria must get off oil first and indistrialize and export industrial goods and services

And we start by removing sibsides on power and oil

Then we also ramp up tax collection from the untaxed

Then we can talk

Good morning.

backbencher:


By taxation i mean that northerners and Southerenrs not paying income tax to the state and federal government all pay taxes

From the rich man to the poor farmer, herdsmen, hawker, etc etc.

Every one.

Each state should then have enough to stand on.

Low would that be possible ...tax generated in the north would be far lower than tax generated in the south ....that's the reason tax would never be enforced in Nigeria because it would make breakup easier

Keke in Kano went on strike because they asked them to pay #50 a day ..

Those citizens did not start paying tax for the love of it, No! The state is structured to collect tax or die!

When states are faced with existential threats, they become innovative.

We cannot be innovative because there's no incentive to do so. Oil money comes from Niger Delta so we can as well abandon our agriculture, limestone etc and wait for month end.

You need to put the structure before the result will come and not the other way round. Unless you inadvertently want Nigeria to continue to retrogress forever

backbencher:


Each of the states indigenes also pay enough tax to maintain those institutions

Each of those states are either heavily industrialized, have mechanized agriculture on a large scale or both and the sector's export heavily

Nigeria needs to do a lot of changing before we can be at that level

That involves making hard choices which i have outlined and which you ignore

backbencher:



Nigeria must get off oil first and indistrialize and export industrial goods and services

And we start by removing sibsides on power and oil

Then we also ramp up tax collection from the untaxed

Then we can talk

Good morning.

So we must all wait for all the 36 states to be comfortable before we restructure ?

Nigeria wanting every region to grow at the same pace is the reason for agitation in the first place

If we continue like this what you are saying won't be achieved till oil become useless

mrvitalis:

Low would that be possible ...tax generated in the north would be far lower than tax generated in the south ....that's the reason tax would never be enforced in Nigeria because it would make breakup easier

Keke in Kano went on strike because they asked them to pay #50 a day ..

I don't care. Each state must generate tax on its own.

Next is removing subsidies on power and petrol so that we can have enough electric power to grow industrially

Then mechanized agriculture

The n once every state stands on its own free from oil money, we can talk.

And yes, my idea is better than yours which means resource war. No thanks.

gidgiddy:


Anyone asking IPOB to get referendum through the political process is either ignorant or being mischievous.

They want IPOB to go and get referendum at the Nigerian national assembly that is over 60% controlled by Northerners?

Thats laughable

I wouldn't call the North Central "Northerners" when it comes to voting for constitutional change. Half of them will support the agenda of the South (Kwara, Kogi, Benue and possibly Plateau). So a good campaign can force a constitutional amendment but you will also need some Northerners to support you.

South
HoR = 169 (47%
Senators - 51 (47%)

North Central
HoR = 49 (14%)
Senators - 18 (17%)

North
HoR = 142 (39%)
Senators - 40 (37%)

mrvitalis:

So we must all wait for all the 36 states to be comfortable before we restructure ?

Nigeria wanting every region to grow at the same pace is the reason for agitation in the first place

If we continue like this what you are saying won't be achieved till oil become useless

Okay, restructure now, fight long war over oil tomorrow, since states at the moment cannot survive without oil money.

Or be prepared to pay higher taxes.

Or when oil crashes, how would you survive?

You want more oil money to chop, like your northern pals. Self sufficiency you and the hausas and yorubas you don't want.

Nice talking. I end it here. Nigeria canmot surivie a war over oil.

The north and south politicians are the same they're only after stealing of money.

So if ipob go to represent their region by themselves then you do things rightly.

Ipob has to go to politics.
No sensible alternative way to achieve best for their people.

mrvitalis:

Did you read my post at all ?
Your likes have been pushing for political solutions ..yet can't get state police or restructuring by political process ...when then should ipob listen to follow a political process

Give me a reason to show north can be lobbied ...just asking

There is nothing in your post that I didn't cover in my response.

Didn't Jonathan win an election (political process) with enough votes in the North (lobbying)?

There hasn't been any concerted effort by IPOB to get supporters from other regions to join them and their representatives to push for an amendment to our constitution. All IPOB has been doing right from the beginning is abusing and threatening Northerners (mostly Fulanis) and Yorubas from the South West. Have they ever attempted a political solution and lobbying?

If IPOB are not interested or do not believe in a political solution (And it is obvious they don't), then they can continue along the lines that they believe in and face the consequences. But they should not expect others to join them.

backbencher:


1.I am not from Kano

2.Hisbah are moral police like thugs with sticks, akin to KAI in Lagos. They cannot function like police. If they came across a crime scene, they would call the cops like everyone else.

3.I do not favor Sharia, seeing as it violates the concept of a secular Nigerian state. I also regard Hisbah as a waste of time and money.

4.I am a Christian anyways....so Islam is, like, a foreign religion

5.And where does my not supporting state police mean I support Hisbah. Plus, again....I don't support Sharia .

6. We can be honest with ourselves in this country, or we can build fairytales.

7.Read my last comment in the original post you quoted.

state police should be the optional... but northerners find it wrong because the are always allergic to peaceful co existence...

amc:


There is nothing in your post that I didn't cover in my response.

Didn't Jonathan win an election (political process) with enough votes in the North (lobbying)?

There hasn't been any concerted effort by IPOB to get supporters from other regions to join them and their representatives to push for an amendment to our constitution. All IPOB has been doing right from the beginning is abusing and threatening Northerners (mostly Fulanis) and Yorubas from the South West. Have they ever attempted a political solution and lobbying?

If IPOB are not interested or do not believe in a political solution (And it is obvious they don't), then they can continue along the lines that they believe in and face the consequences. But they should not expect others to join them.

Forget ipob here ... people who believe in one Nigeria restructured Nigeria should lead by example

Do u want Nigeria as it is ?

backbencher:


Okay, restructure now, fight long war over oil tomorrow, since states at the moment cannot survive without oil money.

Or be prepared to pay higher taxes.

Or when oil crashes, how would you survive?

You want more oil money to chop, like your northern pals. Self sufficiency you and the hausas and yorubas you don't want.

Nice talking. I end it here. Nigeria canmot surivie a war over oil.

Which war ...let people who have oil enjoy their oil

backbencher:


I don't care. Each state must generate tax on its own.

Next is removing subsidies on power and petrol so that we can have enough electric power to grow industrially

Then mechanized agriculture

The n once every state stands on its own free from oil money, we can talk.

And yes, my idea is better than yours which means resource war. No thanks.

How would states generate revenue when they don't control their resources even vat even they are trying to remove it from them

mrvitalis:
.how would u get restructuring when north obviously don't want it

By getting involved in politics

slimghost:


By getting involved in politics

Getting involved in politics ...if 17 governors can't get state police n restructuring why would my joining politics achieve that ?

When you go through political means and you are denied by the majority, the following should be done
....mass resignation of NASS IPOB elected members
........refusal to vote in igbo land
.........sit at home protest, this will attract the attention of the world since you have a case and you are Democratical about it.



Not just the crude agitation for outright secession

mrvitalis:

Getting involved in politics ...if 17 governors can't get state police n restructuring why would my joining politics achieve that ?

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OGBEREIJEBU:
When you go through political means and you are denied by the majority, the following should be done
....mass resignation of NASS IPOB elected members
........refusal to vote in igbo land
.........sit at home protest, this will attract the attention of the world since you have a case and you are Democratical about it.



Not just the crude agitation for outright secession

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mrvitalis:

Getting involved in politics ...if 17 governors can't get state police n restructuring why would my joining politics achieve that ?

The real influence on national discourse lies with the National Assembly and presidency.

slimghost:


The real influence on national discourse lies with the National Assembly and presidency.

So if governors 18 in number can't Influence the national assembly what's the point of me getting involved with politics

Nairalandhotboy:
many people that are against ipob and keeps screaming one Nigeria are worst than boko haram.. They don't want the good of Nigerians, they just want to keep benefiting from all this bloodshed through the clueless APC and PDP govt. Someone who wants Nigeria to be one, will also say the south east can burn if they wish,why not give them there wish for and watch them burn? So far the population of the north is more than the south, they will always win until Nigeria is been restructured. Jonathan was a fool

I hope iam not replying a kid.
Do you know the meaning of lobby?
Do you think ipob will achieve their desires with the barrel of a gun?

mrvitalis:

How would Nigeria be restructured when they have the numbers ? So truth is supporting group like IPOB ( tho not the best ) is the surest way to get restructuring

Imagine if kanu was out raging , igboho was out ragging ...south south had their own ...them no born them well not to restructure

what is restructure?

mrvitalis:

Is it not restructuring that would not only create state police but also the conditions for state police ?

So what's your plan now since restructuring has been rejected also ... continue Nigeria the way it is ? So your children come and face the same issue ?

Restructuring would allow each ethnic nation wrong their economy the way them seem fit

You guys keep forgetting one thing

Nigeria is a mere country and not a nation ...what what for nations would never work for mere countries

Countries are ran a certain way if not them crumble their must be a sense of independence from the back ethnic nations , respecting boundaries

Nigeria is a country that runs like a nation it would surely fail

the failing will surely start from the east.

Parachoko:
So is this not the reason some people in the South is asking for a total restructure of Nigeria? The South West Governors said the 6 geopolitical zones should be recognised as the states, is this not a nice suggestion?

We can't continue this way

Is either we agree on how we want to leave together, or it will get to a time we will all have to go out separate ways.

And I don't blame Northern politicians for all this mess, is the Southern politicians I do blame, I don't know if they are cowards or just clueless.

It seems Nigerian Politicians are so comfortable that nothing go happen, but one day go be one day.


Few days ago, people would never believe a country can still get invaded in this 21st century like it do happen in the 19th century.

do you forget that Nigeria was practicing regional government before? Do you know that the same igbos crying for restructure were the people that destroyed our regional government?
The igbos must tell us why they support unity government in the sixties but are against it now.

gidgiddy:


Anyone asking IPOB to get referendum through the political process is either ignorant or being mischievous.

They want IPOB to go and get referendum at the Nigerian national assembly that is over 60% controlled by Northerners?

Thats laughable

what is lobby?

DMerciful:
You said oil will fall yet believe we should be sharing oil money. The truth is as long as we continue to run this feeding bottle system from oil, we would never develop.

Whats so difficult for different states to identify their strengths and key into it? There are countries without natural resources that are prosperous.

The Netherlands thats the size of Oyo state has an annual revenue of $20 billion from agriculture alone, that's half of our national budget.

This system slows everybody down, we need to restructure so everyone develops according to their aspirations

call Ironsi. He must tell us why he did what he did.