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Tatum is a serious problem but I see you my Gee, K.D with your smooth buckets...

Ref, I hope you swallow and choke on that whistle, since you are refusing to use it

Come on man! Kid is getting beat up, no calls

That defense will choke the hell outa you!

Slimreaper na cheat code!

JB knocks it down!

This is our house!!!!

Lucky the Leprechaun is watching you!

Credit to Kyrie, he never shies away from playing at the Garden, unlike one Simmons that is choosing to sit out because he doesn't want to see Philly.

This combo of Jaylen brown and Jayson Tatum is a blast....

The streets of this thread will never forget!

You know yourselves!!!!!

Bounce out @BIRDMAN, you are the leader of the pack

#Greenrunsdeep

aliondo:
This combo of Jaylen brown and Jayson Tatum is a blast....

To imagine some noisemakers were pushing for us to break them up earlier in the season

I told y'all Jayson Tatum was that dude didn't I?

aliondo:
To think that Lebron is having one of the best seasons of his career and the Lakers are underperforming is absurd...

Lool but they said he makes others better. So why are they always complaining he has no help. People really need to pick a struggle

So at 24, Tatum has already matched Larry Bird's record of most 50 point games for the Celtics. Let me not talk before I start another argument about which era is greater than which.

Roland17:
The streets of this thread will never forget!

You know yourselves!!!!!

Bounce out @BIRDMAN, you are the leader of the pack

#Greenrunsdeep

To quote a rockets fan on twitter, "I've been a Jayson Tatum fan for over three hours and he has never let me down."

Larry Bird at his peak was taking 3 3pters per game. Jayson Tatum is taking 8 3's per game but our resident Sherlock does not know why Jayson Tatum is matching Larry Bird so quickly. Critical thinking nsogbu di

For context Jayson Tatum attempted 15 3's today

Good to see our Akwa Ibom brother doing well. Was worried he was going to flop with the Celts

As for the Nets. I don't know what it is but something is terribly wrong with that team. There's just a softness and lack of grit that their talent cannot solve. I worry about them in the play in game and I won't be shocked if they failed to make it

A40:
Lool but they said he makes others better. So why are they always complaining he has no help. People really need to pick a struggle

The man is 37. Obviously this Lebron is not at his peak. The fact that he can run with the young uns and not need oxygen is a miracle. We thank God o

aliondo:
To think that Lebron is having one of the best seasons of his career and the Lakers are underperforming is absurd...

This is not a good thing imo. I expected Lebron to be averaging 18-20pts per night at this stage, and not have to play hard every night. Jordan had similar issues when he returned with the Wizards. The oldest on the team was the most motivated, and they eventually missed the playoffs.

A40:
Larry Bird at his peak was taking 3 3pters per game. Jayson Tatum is taking 8 3's per game but our resident Sherlock does not know why Jayson Tatum is matching Larry Bird so quickly. Critical thinking nsogbu di

For context Jayson Tatum attempted 15 3's today

Good to see our Akwa Ibom brother doing well. Was worried he was going to flop with the Celts

As for the Nets. I don't know what it is but something is terribly wrong with that team. There's just a softness and lack of grit that their talent cannot solve. I worry about them in the play in game and I won't be shocked if they failed to make it

Why you dey waste time with the education? Pesin get mouth to talk about era but struggles to understand the dynamics in the use of the word era. These things write themselves...

birdman:
The man is 37. Obviously this Lebron is not at his peak. The fact that he can run with the young uns and not need oxygen is a miracle. We thank God o

Lol make we leave that story. That is the common trope we always hear even when he was younger. Then when he loses it's cause he is lacking help, so which is it. It's either he makes nobody better or does not have sufficient talent. Which would be laughable to suggest if we roll out his support cast to that of other historical greats

birdman:
To quote a rockets fan on twitter, "I've been a Jayson Tatum fan for over three hours and he has never let me down."

You no kukuma well b4

Roland17:
Why you dey waste time with the education? Pesin get mouth to talk about era but struggles to understand the dynamics in the use of the word era. These things write themselves...

Lol you have to check em for those wey dey uninformed about basketball that might just be viewing as guests. A guy is taking almost 3x more 3's than Bird did. He better be scoring more 50pters

So basically spamming more 3's is what defines the greatness of an era is what our resident basketball aficionado is telling us

A40:
Lol you have to check em for those wey dey uninformed about basketball that might just be viewing as guests. A guy is taking almost 3x more 3's than Bird did. He better be scoring more 50pters

So basically spamming more 3's is what defines the greatness of an era is what our resident basketball aficionado is telling us

It's like comparing Reggie Miller's, early part of R. Allen's era to Curry's era of 3 point shooting and then going ahead to make a point that Curry achieved it in significantly lesser amount of games as the main argument against Miller/ Allen.

Bird achieved his last 50 point game aged 32, if that doesn't give anyone the context about both era's and scoring then nothing will.

Roland17:
It's like comparing Reggie Miller's, early part of R. Allen's era to Curry's era of 3 point shooting and then going ahead to make a point that Curry achieved it in significantly lesser amount of games as the main argument against Miller/ Allen.

Bird achieved his last 50 point game aged 32, if that doesn't give anyone the context about both era's and scoring then nothing will.

imagine comparing that era to this era where defence is almost non existent? If Larry played in this era, he'll probably be averaging 38/40 per game.

joshboo:
imagine comparing that era to this era where defence is almost non existent? If Larry played in this era, he'll probably be averaging 38/40 per game.

Baba, I weak for dem!

No one is hating on this era but they shouldn't make it look like say na today basketball start or say na the most competitive era of basketball we dey witness.

A lot has changed over the different eras. From how players train, post training recovery, equipment, traveling, sports science, analytics, sports medicine, technology, compensation e.t.c.

Notice, I have not even mentioned on court changes oh like rules, court design, high performance shoes. For context, Dr. J and players of that era used to play basketball and perform highlight dunks wearing freaking converse shoes. Google those converse shoes and compare them to the pumps these cats wear today? Do you think it affects performance? Yet, those cats were jumping off while wearing those flat hard soled shoes!

I can go on and on!

Roland17:
Baba, I weak for dem!

No one is hating on this era but they shouldn't make it look like say na today basketball start or say na the most competitive era of basketball we dey witness.

A lot has changed over the different eras. From how players train, post training recovery, equipment, traveling, sports science, analytics, sports medicine, technology, compensation e.t.c.

Notice, I have not even mentioned on court changes oh like rules, court design, high performance shoes. For context, Dr. J and players of that era used to play basketball and perform highlight dunks wearing freaking converse shoes. Google those converse shoes and compare them to the pumps these cats wear today? Do you think it affects performance? Yet, those cats were jumping off while wearing those flat hard soled shoes!

I can go on and on!

To be honest,watched more of this present era than that era but when I saw highlights of that era..for you to be good in that era,you should be called a legend cos they worked their socks off to be a success in that era...

Roland17:
No one is hating on this era but they shouldn't make it look like say na today basketball start or say na the most competitive era of basketball we dey witness.

When this topic comes up, people get defensive. Because if you say this era is better than previous, they think it attacks MJ's goat status. I can explain why this is the most competitive era without taking anything away from MJ.

Charles Oakley was talking about how he would have bullied Giannis in his time. Isaiah Thomas, realest OG just laughed it off and clapped back. In Isaiah's words, Giannis is faster, stronger than Oakley was in his prime and Giannis would have dominated in any era! Now consider Giannis, Jokic, KAT. Look at Luka, Curry. I wont even mention the young guns like Morant, Bam, Tatum or the OGs like Durant and Lebron. All these guys will ball regardless of rule changes. Some of them will play better even. A 37 year old Lebron, the oldest of the bunch dropped 50+!

This league is orders magnitude better than 20 years ago, with or without rule changes. Yeah some of it is better nutrition and equipment, but these guys are faster, more skilled and stronger. The two things the old school has that also keeps MJ at the top is mindset and the midrange jumpshot. If Lebron had any one of those 2, the GOAT conversation would have been over years ago, and he would likely have 6 rings as well.

Abeg lets stop over-gloryfying the past. The show Tatum put up yesterday, you think that was easy? Baba, enter ordinary YMCA game and try to score 60pts. Try drop 30 sef, then come back the next night and attempt to repeat it. To drop 60pts in an empty gym na full workout for me

Roland17:
It's like comparing Reggie Miller's, early part of R. Allen's era to Curry's era of 3 point shooting and then going ahead to make a point that Curry achieved it in significantly lesser amount of games as the main argument against Miller/ Allen.

Bird achieved his last 50 point game aged 32, if that doesn't give anyone the context about both era's and scoring then nothing will.

When we say average Bronsexual no sabi anything about the game they will call us old heads and other foolishness. How do you call yourself an analyst and gloss over such a basic fact.

birdman:
When this topic comes up, people get defensive. Because if you say this era is better than previous, they think it attacks MJ's goat status. I can explain why this is the most competitive era without taking anything away from MJ.

Charles Oakley was talking about how he would have bullied Giannis in his time. Isaiah Thomas, realest OG just laughed it off and clapped back. In Isaiah's words, Giannis is faster, stronger than Oakley was in his prime and Giannis would have dominated in any era! Now consider Giannis, Jokic, KAT. Look at Luka, Curry. I wont even mention the young guns like Morant, Bam, Tatum or the OGs like Durant and Lebron. All these guys will ball regardless of rule changes. Some of them will play better even. A 37 year old Lebron, the oldest of the bunch dropped 50+!

This league is orders magnitude better than 20 years ago, with or without rule changes. Yeah some of it is better nutrition and equipment, but these guys are faster, more skilled and stronger. The two things the old school has that also keeps MJ at the top is mindset and the midrange jumpshot. If Lebron had any one of those 2, the GOAT conversation would have been over years ago, and he would likely have 6 rings as well.

Abeg lets stop over-gloryfying the past. The show Tatum put up yesterday, you think that was easy? Baba, enter ordinary YMCA game and try to score 60pts. Try drop 30 sef, then come back the next night and attempt to repeat it. To drop 60pts in an empty gym na full workout for me

The only thing this era does better than the era of old is Spam more 3pters. That is literally it. Whatever athleticism you're harping about their fundamentals will easily cancel out. I don't like arguing about this stronger, faster trope that hasn't and cannot be verified by any respectable organization

The great players of any era will also dominate this era. That is neither here nor there. Today's league will not know what to do with a Hakeem or an Embiid.

Nobody said what Tatum did is easy. We're saying it's easier when you can shoot 15 3's a night!!!

birdman:
When this topic comes up, people get defensive. Because if you say this era is better than previous, they think it attacks MJ's goat status. I can explain why this is the most competitive era without taking anything away from MJ.

Charles Oakley was talking about how he would have bullied Giannis in his time. Isaiah Thomas, realest OG just laughed it off and clapped back. In Isaiah's words, Giannis is faster, stronger than Oakley was in his prime and Giannis would have dominated in any era! Now consider Giannis, Jokic, KAT. Look at Luka, Curry. I wont even mention the young guns like Morant, Bam, Tatum or the OGs like Durant and Lebron. All these guys will ball regardless of rule changes. Some of them will play better even. A 37 year old Lebron, the oldest of the bunch dropped 50+!

This league is orders magnitude better than 20 years ago, with or without rule changes. Yeah some of it is better nutrition and equipment, but these guys are faster, more skilled and stronger. The two things the old school has that also keeps MJ at the top is mindset and the midrange jumpshot. If Lebron had any one of those 2, the GOAT conversation would have been over years ago, and he would likely have 6 rings as well.

Abeg lets stop over-gloryfying the past. The show Tatum put up yesterday, you think that was easy? Baba, enter ordinary YMCA game and try to score 60pts. Try drop 30 sef, then come back the next night and attempt to repeat it. To drop 60pts in an empty gym na full workout for me

This position is massively flawed and I will use some analogies to make my point at the end of this post.

We can all agree that the old era played with a ton of disadvantages and unique challenges that have been improved upon, which this generation is enjoying. I listed a couple of them in my previous post Now, if these cats despite those challenges dominated and have records that are still unbroken, imagine what they will do if they had the advantages this era enjoys.

It’s like telling a 9ja man that suffered through poverty, unemployment, hunger, hopelessness and is opportune to immigrate to a more prosperous nation like ours or other saner clime across the world. What do you think will happen to the 9ja man after he immigrates to the US? Infact use 9ja doctors that have japa from 9ja to US/UK and other saner climes.

If roles were reversed and the American who lives in the luxury of constant electricity and other benefits is sent to 9ja and without the favor of being American is condemned to the realities of 9ja, what do you think will happen with him? With every variable remaining constant, who do you think will thrive? What is the probability that the American who has enjoyed the luxury of normal life will dominate 9ja life vs the 9ja guy wen japa to the US?

Tatum really dropped 54 on KD's head. Y'all thought I was gonna let that slide huh

birdman:
When this topic comes up, people get defensive. Because if you say this era is better than previous, they think it attacks MJ's goat status. I can explain why this is the most competitive era without taking anything away from MJ.

Charles Oakley was talking about how he would have bullied Giannis in his time. Isaiah Thomas, realest OG just laughed it off and clapped back. In Isaiah's words, Giannis is faster, stronger than Oakley was in his prime and Giannis would have dominated in any era! Now consider Giannis, Jokic, KAT. Look at Luka, Curry. I wont even mention the young guns like Morant, Bam, Tatum or the OGs like Durant and Lebron. All these guys will ball regardless of rule changes. Some of them will play better even. A 37 year old Lebron, the oldest of the bunch dropped 50+!

This league is orders magnitude better than 20 years ago, with or without rule changes. Yeah some of it is better nutrition and equipment, but these guys are faster, more skilled and stronger. The two things the old school has that also keeps MJ at the top is mindset and the midrange jumpshot. If Lebron had any one of those 2, the GOAT conversation would have been over years ago, and he would likely have 6 rings as well.

Abeg lets stop over-gloryfying the past. The show Tatum put up yesterday, you think that was easy? Baba, enter ordinary YMCA game and try to score 60pts. Try drop 30 sef, then come back the next night and attempt to repeat it. To drop 60pts in an empty gym na full workout for me

Whenever arguments about era comes up, they quickly bring up the usual clichés like 3 point shooting and rule changes. Talking about Tatum averages 5 more threes than Bird did. If he averages 5 more threes, does that not equate to just 5 points? The way they make it seem like one three is worth 5 points more than two.

Leave these cats abeg, they know the truth. They just want to protect their fave. Anybody who knows basketball would know that this era is way more talented than the past. The superstars will be superstars, no matter the era, so we can't start talking about how LeBron would have fared in the past or how MJ would fare in this era. They'd all be dominant. It's the not so superstars we're talking about. You have guys like Jason Tatum, whom many don't consider a superstar yet, having performances that would make him an automatic superstar in eras past. Wasn't it Trey Young who couldn't even make all-star with 29 and 9? There's a proliferation of talent in the tiers below the superstar cadre. Although most of the all time greats of the past era were good, their status were improved by the fact that they won a lot of personal accolades and championships. But how wouldn't they win everything when there was really no competition. The gap between the very best and the rest was massive. Back then you had the top tier, and then the rest were average, with a little athleticism to make it look like they actually can play. Today I could give you a 10 tier list of players with Kyrie in tier 5 and Donovan Mitchell in tier 7. That's how competitive it is now.

steady986:
Whenever arguments about era comes up, they quickly bring up the usual clichés like 3 point shooting and rule changes. Talking about Tatum averages 5 more threes than Bird did. If he averages 5 more threes, does that not equate to just 5 points? The way they make it seem like one three is worth 5 points more than two.

Leave these cats abeg, they know the truth. They just want to protect their fave. Anybody who knows basketball would know that this era is way more talented than the past. The superstars will be superstars, no matter the era, so we can't start talking about how LeBron would have fared in the past or how MJ would fare in this era. They'd all be dominant. It's the not so superstars we're talking about. You have guys like Jason Tatum, whom many don't consider a superstar yet, having performances that would make him an automatic superstar in eras past. Wasn't it Trey Young who couldn't even make all-star with 29 and 9? There's a proliferation of talent in the tiers below the superstar cadre. Although most of the all time greats of the past era were good, their status were improved by the fact that they won a lot of personal accolades and championships. But how wouldn't they win everything when there was really no competition. The gap between the very best and the rest was massive. Back then you had the top tier, and then the rest were average, with a little athleticism to make it look like they actually can play. Today I could give you a 10 tier list of players with Kyrie in tier 5 and Donovan Mitchell in tier 7. That's how competitive it is now.

I recall watching a video where KAJ was talking about this era of basketball, and one thing he mentioned was that the players now are way better shooters than those from his era.

I just want to make one observation, it seems to me like nba basketball is the only huge sport where people constantly say that the average player from an older era is better than those currently playing.
In football, no one ever says that the current era of players are worse than those Maradona, Pele or Cruff played against even though we all know that they were also rule changes put in place to remove excessively dangerous tackles and tactics.
Same with the NFL, I have never heard people argue than the average player in the 80s or 90s are better than those now even though they have been a plethora of rules changes to make the game less physical and more safe.
The question then is, why is the nba different?