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Jayson Tatum takes 8 3's per game if he makes them all maximum = 24 points

Larry Bird takes 3 3's per game if he makes them all maximum = 9 points

Even if we want to entertain your zany argument for a second, are you suggesting that a player capable of just 5 more points at the bare minimum on any given night is not at an advantage. Never mind when he can take as much as 15 3's on outlier nights. Why won't he match Bird's 50 points. It's not rocket science. Think!!

Anyone with functioning eyes can tell scoring today is massively inflated. I repeat and maintain there is nothing extraordinary about this era besides the inflated 3 point shooting. That's it

If Tim Hardaway and Chris Mullin were taking 8 3's per game they will also be doing 29pts. More 3 point shooting = More inflated assists. The numbers today are inflated due to the heavy amount of 3pt shooting

Khanben:
I just want to make one observation, it seems to me like nba basketball is the only huge sport where people constantly say that the average player from an older era is better than those currently playing.
In football, no one ever says that the current era of players are worse than those Maradona, Pele or Cruff played against even though we all know that they were also rule changes put in place to remove excessively dangerous tackles and tactics.
Same with the NFL, I have never heard people argue than the average player in the 80s or 90s are better than those now even though they have been a plethora of rules changes to make the game less physical and more safe.
The question then is, why is the nba different?

This is a lazy argument. Every sport has their golden era so that you're newer doesn't make you better, perhaps certain rules might have been implemented to make the game a bit easier does not mean you're fundamentally better at your core.

It's like boxing. You want to tell me these era of middleweights and heavyweights will compare to those of the 80's? Or the heavyweights of the 70's? Come off it.

Which wide receiver today compares with Jerry Rice? Which running back today compares with Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith. Which defensive player compares with Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor

Just say you're biased to your new era and go. Because diminishing the players of that era means you're inadvertently downplaying the greatness of those players due to their competition.

steady986:
Whenever arguments about era comes up, they quickly bring up the usual clichés like 3 point shooting and rule changes. Talking about Tatum averages 5 more threes than Bird did. If he averages 5 more threes, does that not equate to just 5 points? The way they make it seem like one three is worth 5 points more than two.

Leave these cats abeg, they know the truth. They just want to protect their fave. Anybody who knows basketball would know that this era is way more talented than the past. The superstars will be superstars, no matter the era, so we can't start talking about how LeBron would have fared in the past or how MJ would fare in this era. They'd all be dominant. It's the not so superstars we're talking about. You have guys like Jason Tatum, whom many don't consider a superstar yet, having performances that would make him an automatic superstar in eras past. Wasn't it Trey Young who couldn't even make all-star with 29 and 9? There's a proliferation of talent in the tiers below the superstar cadre. Although most of the all time greats of the past era were good, their status were improved by the fact that they won a lot of personal accolades and championships. But how wouldn't they win everything when there was really no competition. The gap between the very best and the rest was massive. Back then you had the top tier, and then the rest were average, with a little athleticism to make it look like they actually can play. Today I could give you a 10 tier list of players with Kyrie in tier 5 and Donovan Mitchell in tier 7. That's how competitive it is now.

What kind of maths did you do? 5 points from 5 threes

If bird shoots 3 3s a game and make 2 that's 6 points.

If Tatum shoots 8 3s a game and make 7 that's 21 points.

I checked how many 3s Reggie Miller was shooting in one game, and I don't think man averaged 6 3 points averaged a game. Tatum, Harden are not better 3 points shooter than Reggie Miller but guess what? They have more attempts.

It won't take these guys long to equal Reggie Stats, So does that mean they are better 3 points shooter than Reggie Miller?

One thing is sure. The sports evolve

Athletes of today are expected to be better than athletes of yesterday and athletes of tomorrow should be better than athletes of today

People should stop giving excuses and acting like players of past era were untouchable

donlittle25:
What kind of maths did you do? 5 points from 5 threes

If bird shoots 3 3s a game and make 2 that's 6 points.

If Tatum shoots 8 3s a game and make 7 that's 21 points.

Lol abeg don't mind our Jelosinmi ambassador. I said even if we're going to be that ridiculous. Is 5 points not a substantial deficit on a nightly basis?

Last night Jayson Tatum took 15 3's. In Bird's era entire teams might take 10 3's in one night. If that doesn't tell any reasonable person that scoring has been inflated then nothing else will

Tellwhat:
One thing is sure. The sports evolve

Athletes of today are expected to be better than athletes of yesterday and athletes of tomorrow should be better than athletes of today

People should stop giving excuses and acting like players of past era were untouchable

Why hasn't boxing evolved? Why are those guys still better than what we have now

DTs and Defensive ends nko?

We're not infinite beings so there will always be a cap to our evolution in terms of physical abilities

donlittle25:
What kind of maths did you do? 5 points from 5 threes

If bird shoots 3 3s a game and make 2 that's 6 points.

If Tatum shoots 8 3s a game and make 7 that's 21 points.

I hope they stay away from forming math gurus around little children, make dem no spoil our children brain.

According to stats available, Reggie Miller attempted 4.7 3PA/game throughout his career. With his most 3PA/ game season being 6.6APG during the 1996/1997 season. Yet, he held that record for years before my boy R. Allen showed up.

According to stats available, Ray Allen attempted 5.7 3PA throughout his career. Do you see the progression? Please bear in mind that the jump to 5.7 3PA/ game occurred in the later stages of his career because he averaged lower attempts earlier in his career.

Now guess how many 3 points Curry attempts/ game? 12.7 3PA, which is more than half of what Reggie Miller/ Ray Allen averaged per game throughout their career.

Sometime this season, James Harden will pass Reggie Miller for the most 3 point and I can't wait for someone to come and make some noise, I go just call @Birdman for the pesin first.

A40:
Why hasn't boxing evolved? Why are those guys still better than what we have now

DTs and Defensive ends nko?

We're not infinite beings so there will always be a cap to our evolution in terms of physical abilities

I remember during the SB week, a topic that compared A. Donald to Lawrence Taylor came up on First Take I think and Michael Irvin shut it down immediately. He asked a simple question, how many defensive tackles is Donald competing against today? Everybody just shut up.. He went on to list HOF Defensive Tackles that Lawrence Taylor killed during his time. Players used to dread playing against him because there was no stopping LT, only LT stopped LT and it never happened. I dare anyone to list the DTs in today's league.

If you are reading this and misconstrue my post to mean I don't rate A. Donald den I can't help you.

Roland17:
I remember during the SB week, a topic that compared A. Donald to Lawrence Taylor came up on First Take I think and Michael Irvin shut it down immediately. He asked a simple question, how many defensive tackles is Donald competing against today? Everybody just shut up.. He went on to list HOF Defensive Tackles that Lawrence Taylor killed during his time. Players used to dread playing against him because there was no stopping LT, only LT stopped LT and it never happened. I dare anyone to list the DTs in today's league.

If you are reading this and misconstrue my post to mean I don't rate A. Donald den I can't help you.

This sport you're talking about isn't popular among Nigerians.

Those names are usually known by Americans

Tellwhat:
This sport you're talking about isn't popular among Nigerians.

Those names are usually known by Americans

That still doesn't invalidate his point though.....

A40:
Why hasn't boxing evolved? Why are those guys still better than what we have now

DTs and Defensive ends nko?

We're not infinite beings so there will always be a cap to our evolution in terms of physical abilities

There's always an exception. Also Boxing is an individual sport. It's not so easy for an individual sport to evolve
Nevertheless boxing has surely evolved in its own little ways.

Fighters like Mayweather and canelo are proof that boxing evolve

And the boxers that are expected to rule tomorrow have started mastering their craft at a very young age and also trying to model their career from people like Mayweather

Don't be surprised in the new future we could see an evolved heavyweight. Someone as fast as Mike Tyson with a defence like Mayweather

Roland17:
I hope they stay away from forming math gurus around little children, make dem no spoil our children brain.

One thing you can't take away from GEN Z kids is audacity. They have it in abundance.

According to stats available, Reggie Miller attempted 4.7 3PA/game throughout his career. With his most 3PA/ game season being 6.6APG during the 1996/1997 season. Yet, he held that record for years before my boy R. Allen showed up.

According to stats available, Ray Allen attempted 5.7 3PA throughout his career. Do you see the progression? Please bear in mind that the jump to 5.7 3PA/ game occurred in the later stages of his career because he averaged lower attempts earlier in his career.

Now guess how many 3 points Curry attempts/ game? 12.7 3PA, which is more than half of what Reggie Miller/ Ray Allen averaged per game throughout their career.

Sometime this season, James Harden will pass Reggie Miller for the most 3 point and I can't wait for someone to come and make some noise, I go just call @Birdman for the pesin first.

Tellwhat:
Fighters like Mayweather and canelo are proof that boxing evolve

What did mayweather and canelo did that showed they evolved in terms of boxing?

donlittle25:
That still doesn't invalidate his point though.....

Maybe

But so many analysts still argue that Donald is better than Taylor

Personally I don't like comparing different eras

donlittle25:
What did mayweather and canelo did that showed they evolved in terms of boxing?

Their defence, technical brilliance. This guys are perfecting the art of boxing and not just stand and bang

Roland17:
This position is massively flawed and I will use some analogies to make my point at the end of this post.

We can all agree that the old era played with a ton of disadvantages and unique challenges that have been improved upon, which this generation is enjoying. I listed a couple of them in my previous post Now, if these cats despite those challenges dominated and have records that are still unbroken, imagine what they will do if they had the advantages this era enjoys.

It’s like telling a 9ja man that suffered through poverty, unemployment, hunger, hopelessness and is opportune to immigrate to a more prosperous nation like ours or other saner clime across the world. What do you think will happen to the 9ja man after he immigrates to the US? Infact use 9ja doctors that have japa from 9ja to US/UK and other saner climes.

If roles were reversed and the American who lives in the luxury of constant electricity and other benefits is sent to 9ja and without the favor of being American is condemned to the realities of 9ja, what do you think will happen with him? With every variable remaining constant, who do you think will thrive? What is the probability that the American who has enjoyed the luxury of normal life will dominate 9ja life vs the 9ja guy wen japa to the US?

You are right that if they had today's advantages, they would probably perform better. But therein lies the rub. They didnt, and we dont give awards based on what we think people COULD accomplish. We award them based on what they actually did.

To give you another analogy, we have several billion dollar unicorn businesses coming out of Nigeria. The most valuable companies in the history of Nigeria were birthed by this generation. Now, you could argue that the previous generation like Elumelu annd co was more hardworking than this one, that if they had this same opportunities they would have done just as well, maybe even better. Unfortunately, it doesnt matter. We can only rank you based on what you did. Anything else is conjecture.

What if Diego Maradonna had today's trainings and nutrition.\? What if Barkley had his own Pippen? What if MJ was around when Hakeem went to the finals? We can play what if games all day long. It is better to concentrate on what actually happens. That is why we play the games.

birdman:
You are right that if they had today's advantages, they would probably perform better. But therein lies the rub. They didnt, and we dont give awards based on what we think people COULD accomplish. We award them based on what they actually did.

To give you another analogy, we have several billion dollar unicorn businesses coming out of Nigeria. The most valuable companies in the history of Nigeria were birthed by this generation. Now, you could argue that the previous generation like Elumelu annd co was more hardworking than this one, that if they had this same opportunities they would have done just as well, maybe even better. Unfortunately, it doesnt matter. We can only rank you based on what you did. Anything else is conjecture.

What if Diego Maradonna had today's trainings and nutrition.\? What if Barkley had his own Pippen? What if MJ was around when Hakeem went to the finals? We can play what if games all day long. It is better to concentrate on what actually happens. That is why we play the games.

I think I agree with you.. The game of what ifs is an extra advantage and an abnormality because na something wey done pass and dey uncertain,

Because when people criticise harden. In my head I always say what if Harden wasn't so unlucky and carried his regular season form and alleged refree advantage to the playoffs.

What if cp3 wasn't injured, what if instead of an overrated Westbrook; harden played with a reliable curry in playoffs alongside draymond green or a kawhi or a LeBron or at the very least a truly reliable second man to step up

If this what ifs about harden were to happen he would surely be among top 3 greatest of this his era which to me he still is minus the ring

Tellwhat:
Maybe

But so many analysts still argue that Donald is better than Taylor

Personally I don't like comparing different eras

Which analysts and which flavor of meth are they smoking? Or is it Canadian loud? No reputable analyst will be stupid enough to compare Aaron Donald to LT

Tellwhat:
Their defence, technical brilliance. This guys are perfecting the art of boxing and not just stand and bang

Lmaoo. Did you watch Sugar Ray Leonard?

Go and watch the matchups of the 4 Horsemen and come back and show me the boxers of this era that can match their brilliance.

Sugar Ray would have mopped the floor with Canelo. It wouldn't be a pretty sight

A40:
Lmaoo. Did you watch Sugar Ray Leonard?

Go and watch the matchups of the 4 Horsemen and come back and show me the boxers of this era that can match their brilliance.

Sugar Ray would have mopped the floor with Canelo. It wouldn't be a pretty sight

I just no want talk. Imagine watching the fights between Ali, Foreman, Frazier

Ali losing to Frazier
Foreman Losing to Frazier
Ali beating foreman
Ali beating Frazier

Watch all these fights and just tell me Guys were just standing and banging.

I watched a video of Pele the other day, and the video highlighted the skills players of today are doing, and side by side, Pele was also doing the same skills. I mean it was almost a replica. Imagine someone like that today with advance technologies?

I am not even trying to say Pele is my goat, but i will not come here and disrespect 80 year old men that says thats their goat.

A40:
Lmaoo. Did you watch Sugar Ray Leonard?

Go and watch the matchups of the 4 Horsemen and come back and show me the boxers of this era that can match their brilliance.

Sugar Ray would have mopped the floor with Canelo. It wouldn't be a pretty sight

You're just exaggerating

Sugar Ray Leonard was beautiful to watch and highly technical but he's definitely not going to mob the floor with canelo just because he flows beautifully

One problem many people have is the need to always want to shiit on athletes of today by always trying to make a case of the past being better than the present

Whether you like it or not. Most sports are evolving

Athletes of today are usually truly better than athletes of yesterday. And athletes of tomorrow are also expected to be better than athletes of today.

Of course it's not till Infinity and there's always an exception. Certain people are lifetime talent

Still don't think it's fair to compare eras because it's easy to always find a way to favour the past

Tellwhat:
There's always an exception. Also Boxing is an individual sport. It's not so easy for an individual sport to evolve
Nevertheless boxing has surely evolved in its own little ways.

Fighters like Mayweather and canelo are proof that boxing evolve

And the boxers that are expected to rule tomorrow have started mastering their craft at a very young age and also trying to model their career from people like Mayweather

Don't be surprised in the new future we could see an evolved heavyweight. Someone as fast as Mike Tyson with a defence like Mayweather

Boxers are not athletes? Wetin you dey yarn nau this guy. How isn't it supposed to be easier? Aren't today's boxers supposed to be bigger, faster, stronger.

I can guarantee you Hagler and Leonard would have wiped the floor with Mayweather and Canelo.

I also want to see the offensive lineman today that Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor wouldn't have absolutely destroyed on the field.

Tellwhat:
You're just exaggerating

Sugar Ray Leonard was beautiful to watch and highly technical but he's definitely not going to mob the floor with canelo just because he flows beautifully

Lol do you watch the mugs and tomato cans Canelo is fighting in this present era. Dfkm

Boxing is clearly at its nadir

A40:
Boxers are not athletes? Wetin you dey yarn nau this guy. How isn't it supposed to be easier? Aren't today's boxers supposed to be bigger, faster, stronger.

I can guarantee you Hagler and Leonard would have wiped the floor with Mayweather and Canelo.

I also want to see the offensive lineman today that Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor wouldn't have absolutely destroyed on the field.

This man. Let me just Agree to disagree because it's obvious you're being biased

I have come across this type of arguement too many times.

But is there any sports where you don't hold this same view of always rating the older generations ahead I strongly doubt there's any

donlittle25:
I just no want talk. Imagine watching the fights between Ali, Foreman, Frazier

Ali losing to Frazier
Foreman Losing to Frazier
Ali beating foreman
Ali beating Frazier

Watch all these fights and just tell me Guys were just standing and banging.

I watched a video of Pele the other day, and the video highlighted the skills players of today are doing, and side by side, Pele was also doing the same skills. I mean it was almost a replica. Imagine someone like that today with advance technologies?

I am not even trying to say Pele is my goat, but i will not come here and disrespect 80 year old men that says thats their goat.

I don't like arguing with these people. They think the players and athletes today are reinventing some imaginary wheel. That's why I keep asking them let them tell me one player who is doing what the league has never seen before besides shooting a whole bunch of 3's

I won't even go as far as Magic, Stockton and Zeke. In terms of pure PG play how many PGs today are as good as Jason Kidd or Kevin Johnson

Tellwhat:
This man. Let me just Agree to disagree because it's obvious you're being biased

I have come across this type of arguement too many times.

But is there any sports where you don't hold this same view of always rating the older generations ahead I strongly doubt there's any

I look at the era. I look at their abilities. I don't just yield to the lazy narrative of newer is better. As with music, electronics, cars and down to Sports a newer version of something doesn't necessarily make it better

Tellwhat:
You're just exaggerating

Sugar Ray Leonard was beautiful to watch and highly technical but he's definitely not going to mob the floor with canelo just because he flows beautifully

Baba, no offense but I am not sure you know your boxing.

A40:
This is a lazy argument. Every sport has their golden era so that you're newer doesn't make you better, perhaps certain rules might have been implemented to make the game a bit easier does not mean you're fundamentally better at your core.

It's like boxing. You want to tell me these era of middleweights and heavyweights will compare to those of the 80's? Or the heavyweights of the 70's? Come off it.

Which wide receiver today compares with Jerry Rice? Which running back today compares with Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith. Which defensive player compares with Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor

Just say you're biased to your new era and go. Because diminishing the players of that era means you're inadvertently downplaying the greatness of those players due to their competition.

You are mentioning the very best players. I will argue that what determines a great era is the quality of the average player, and the average player now is a far better player than the average player then.
For goodness sake, the best online in the 80s was arguably that of the then Redskins and none of them weighed 300lbs.
Put out any olineman with guys less than 300lbs in today's game andany average front 4 will destroy them.
The average sportman now is faster, bigger and stronger than those in the 80s and 90s, with better nutrition and more advanced recovery process.

Khanben:
You are mentioning the very best players. I will argue that what determines a great era is the quality of the average player, and the average player now is a far better player than the average player then.
For goodness sake, the best online in the 80s was arguably that of the then Redskins and none of them weighed 300lbs.
Put out any olineman with guys less than 300lbs in today's game andany average front 4 will destroy them.
The average sportman now is faster, bigger and stronger than those in the 80s and 90s, with better nutrition and more advanced recovery process.

So what is the quality of the average player now? Which body measured this and certified it better. This is such cap and lazy punditry

You are using an outlier team that were great and tying it solely to their size. Bear in mind the Redskins O-Line were smaller than even the historically great O-lines of all time. In a position historically with the most size and the least skill. How does that help your argument as to how athletes are better or stronger?

The average sportsman is faster, bigger, stronger una. By what metric With all their nutrition and recovery why aren't they beating the feats of yore at a higher clip. Why are they not jumping higher and further? And don't give me the average sportsman kinikankinikan that nobody can prove or verify

Lakers are done yall. Man, Lebron has had terrible luck with teammates. These guys arent interested in the playoffs at all.