ChristoBam:

And he got into a UCL final while doing that, which is overachieving expectations.

Ten Haag is also expected to win their league, which is low pressure to me. And go as far as possible in the UCL. He's been in a low pressure environment to me as well.

It seems the only edge of Ten Haag is the novelty and beautiful football.

In the UCL, I will say Erik ten Hag and Ajax are not on the same level with Tottenham in recent times so, I'd give Erik more props for the performance of his team in the UCL over Poch.

Spurs spend more so, it is only normal that they should do better than Ajax but that has not been the case in recent times.

I accept that Ajax are a well run club but then, we have seen players come and go yet the team remain competitive with the only constant being Erik ten Hag and their board. One thing Erik has going for him is how he manages to turn a squad of good players to a functional unit (Team)...No matter how go a club is positioned, the quality of football they play is 70% on the coach and 30% on the players. I believe with proper coaching and a few additions in the right areas, we will be back challenging for titles...

patrickmuf:
In the UCL, I will say Erik ten Hag and Ajax are not on the same level with Tottenham in recent times so, I'd give Erik more props for the performance of his team in the UCL over Poch.

Spurs spend more so, it is only normal that they should do better than Ajax but that has not been the case in recent times.

I accept that Ajax are a well run club but then, we have seen players come and go yet the team remain competitive with the only constant being Erik ten Hag and their board. One thing Erik has going for him is how he manages to turn a squad of good players to a functional unit (Team)...No matter how go a club is positioned, the quality of football they play is 70% on the coach and 30% on the players. I believe with proper coaching and a few additions in the right areas, we will be back challenging for titles...

I don't agree, we played Ajax( Manager was Peter Bosz) in the Europa league final, two years before they had that long run in the UCL. So they were in the ascendance in Europe even before Ten Haag came in. On the other hand, I don't remember Tottenham doing anything in Europe before Poch. Btwn that team Poch took to the UCL final was so badly stricken with zero to little investment of the recent years. So that's props to Poch.

What makes a good team to me is.
40% Manager
40% Players
20% Structure.

With that structure part, we're so far away from that Ten Haag style at United. Like years far away.

ChristoBam:

I don't agree, we played Ajax( Manager was Peter Bosz) in the Europa league final, two years before they had that long run in the UCL. So they were in the ascendance in Europe even before Ten Haag came in. On the other hand, I don't remember Tottenham doing anything in Europe before Poch. Btwn that team Poch took to the UCL final was so badly stricken with zero to little investment of the recent years. So that's props to Poch.

What makes a good team to me is.
40% Manager
40% Players
20% Structure.

With that structure part, we're so far away from that Ten Haag style at United. Like years far away.

Erik ten Hag lost the core of the team after reaching the UCL Semis but he has quickly rebuilt without a noticeable drop in performance.

It's not like hee is doing wonders with world beaters but rather with players who were regarded as flops or not good enough elsewhere; the likes of Haller and Tadic comes to mind. Also, the likes of Antony were relatively unknown and so many others in the present Ajax team. It is this ability to rebuild his team whilst remaining competitive and playing progressive football that I like.

It is noteworthy that he didn't break the bank to assemble such as good team.

Now, compared to Pochettino's Spurs who began to falter when the team began to age especially in defense and midfield. He didn't have any solutions...

Also, I think Erik's team plays better attacking football than Poch.

NB: I am making a case for Erik using Ajax performance against teams in the UCL and not not the Eredivisie where they are a class above the rest bar PSV and to a lesser extent, Feyenoord.

Talking about structure, whilst I accept it is important, I also want to believe if Ole had opted for players who are more technical, the board would have gotten them rather than the likes of Maguire, James, AWB and the likes we have signed over the years. In essence, Erik won't go after big names for the sake of it but players who are technically gifted and can fit into his style of play.

Talking about style of play, with Erik, you know what you are getting and the type of players he will chase to play his brand of football but with Poch, I can't categorically say he has a distinctive style of play. His team's are just there, not excellent and not bad either...

In all, Erik edges it when it comes to ability to guide us through a rebuild whilst remaining competitive as he has shown with Ajax while Poch failed at Spurs.

He also edges it when it comes to playing beautiful attacking football.

And lastly, Erik prefers technical players much more than physical specimens. I think we need a coach that will bring in players who are very technical and that's where Erik comes in.

patrickmuf:
In the UCL, I will say Erik ten Hag and Ajax are not on the same level with Tottenham in recent times so, I'd give Erik more props for the performance of his team in the UCL over Poch.

Spurs spend more so, it is only normal that they should do better than Ajax but that has not been the case in recent times.

I accept that Ajax are a well run club but then, we have seen players come and go yet the team remain competitive with the only constant being Erik ten Hag and their board. One thing Erik has going for him is how he manages to turn a squad of good players to a functional unit (Team)...No matter how go a club is positioned, the quality of football they play is 70% on the coach and 30% on the players. I believe with proper coaching and a few additions in the right areas, we will be back challenging for titles...

Not really true (at least not whilst Pochettino was manager). Tottenham had a net spend so low it's a wonder Daniel Levy is not languishing in a dungeon somewhere right now.

Ajax is the richest club in the Netherlands and can afford to snap up the best talent in the league (like the Berghuis signing) and even top-tier talent from other continents (like Antony)

I feel Pochettino gets too little credit for what he did with Spurs. I'd be happy with Ten Haag but I don't believe we currently have the type of setup that will allow him become an instant success with us.

DeadPresidents:


Not really true (at least not whilst Pochettino was manager). Tottenham had a net spend so low it's a wonder Daniel Levy is not languishing in a dungeon somewhere right now.

Ajax is the richest club in the Netherlands and can afford to snap up the best talent in the league (like the Berghuis signing) and even top-tier talent from other continents (like Antony)

I feel Pochettino gets too little credit for what he did with Spurs. I'd be happy with Ten Haag but I don't believe we currently have the type of setup that will allow him become an instant success with us.

There is no manager that will become an instant success with the current set up. Therefore since it is doomed to end in failure any which way, I prefer the guy whose sides play more entertaining football.

afrodoc2:


There is no manager that will become an instant success with the current set up. Therefore since it is doomed to end in failure any which way, I prefer the guy whose sides play more entertaining football.

I'm trying to temper expectations, Doc.

The same United faithful you see singing the praises of Erik ten Haag will start muttering when they see turbulence.

I still insist we need re-orientation from the top. We will never win nothing whilst we remain Manchester United Social Media Platform.

andrewbaba44:


When last did you win a trophy that you said arsenal have been in the wilderness for years

Europa League 2017, when did Assnal last win a European Trophy?

Dont you think Poch struggles with a bigger club are signs of what might happen with Man Utd?
Some clubs might just be cut out for small clubs like Moyes

patrickmuf:


Erik ten Hag's team plays beautiful attacking football which is in tune with what most top teams play.

His Ajax team lost most of their star players yet were still able to replace them without a drop in performance...

Erik ten Hag's team have not just done well in Holland but also in the UCL whilst operating on a budget.

The question is will he be able to manage the overbloated ego of our players? This could just turn out to be another Andre Vilas Boas and Chelsea players. He is a very good manager no doubt

No shalaye... Get your gaddem PVCs ready!

TrebleChamp:
The question is will he be able to manage the overbloayed ego of our players? This could just turn out to be another Andre Vilas Boas and Chelsea players. He is a very good manager no doubt

There's always a question on every managers neck unless you are Pep or Klopp...

TrebleChamp:
Europa League 2017, when did Assnal last won a European Trophy?

Trophy and not European trophy

Arsenal better pass una

Man united board should employ Gernot rohr

I think he is one of the best option out there and he won’t be expensive

patrickmuf:
Erik ten Hag lost the core of the team after reaching the UCL Semis but he has quickly rebuilt without a noticeable drop in performance.

It's not like hee is doing wonders with world beaters but rather with players who were regarded as flops or not good enough elsewhere; the likes of Haller and Tadic comes to mind. Also, the likes of Antony were relatively unknown and so many others in the present Ajax team. It is this ability to rebuild his team whilst remaining competitive and playing progressive football that I like.

It is noteworthy that he didn't break the bank to assemble such as good team.

Now, compared to Pochettino's Spurs who began to falter when the team began to age especially in defense and midfield. He didn't have any solutions...

Also, I think Erik's team plays better attacking football than Poch.

NB: I am making a case for Erik using Ajax performance against teams in the UCL and not not the Eredivisie where they are a class above the rest bar PSV and to a lesser extent, Feyenoord.

Talking about structure, whilst I accept it is important, I also want to believe if Ole had opted for players who are more technical, the board would have gotten them rather than the likes of Maguire, James, AWB and the likes we have signed over the years. In essence, Erik won't go after big names for the sake of it but players who are technically gifted and can fit into his style of play.

Talking about style of play, with Erik, you know what you are getting and the type of players he will chase to play his brand of football but with Poch, I can't categorically say he has a distinctive style of play. His team's are just there, not excellent and not bad either...

In all, Erik edges it when it comes to ability to guide us through a rebuild whilst remaining competitive as he has shown with Ajax while Poch failed at Spurs.

He also edges it when it comes to playing beautiful attacking football.

And lastly, Erik prefers technical players much more than physical specimens. I think we need a coach that will bring in players who are very technical and that's where Erik comes in.

Poch was set up to fail by levy but he still managed to do something with that squad. A lot of players in that squad needed replacement and especially in the midfield. They waited till Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen and co couldn’t do shit again. The ones that were average were never going to get replacements.

The thing is I see Poch doing the same thing at Ajax with that laid down structure. But I don’t see Ten Haag doing the same in Tottenham. You won’t get the best youngsters in the country. You’ll get a few really good players, combined with very average ones and then some youngsters that might not be so good. That’s what you’ll get at Tottenham or United.

As for the style of play, Poch has a definite style of play but he can manage with whatever he has which is what he has done at PSG. It’s not beautiful attacking football like Ten Haag but I think it’s something we can get used to pretty fast.


Thing is, in recent months, I’ve preferred Ten Haag over any candidate. But when I started to think deeply about it, I realized it’s because of the novelty to me. So I wanted to know what’s even the deal with the guy from others. I can see that with you, it’s definitely the beautiful style of play.

2 years stand out for Ten Haag in the UCL. 2019 and this year. The year 2019 they had a great run, playing beautiful football. Remarkably knocked out Juventus before losing against Pochetino’s Tottenham. He was tactically outclassed that 2nd leg.

Anything can still happen this year.

So what’s the UCL achievements that’s putting a Ten Haag over Poch?

andrewbaba44:


Trophy and not European trophy

Arsenal better pass una

When Assnal win European Trophy last? I refuse to be trolled by Assnal fans....

ChristoBam:

Poch was set up to fail by levy but he still managed to do something with that squad. A lot of players in that squad needed replacement and especially in the midfield. They waited till Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen and co couldn’t do shit again. The ones that were average were never going to get replacements.

The thing is I see Poch doing the same thing at Ajax with that laid down structure. But I don’t see Ten Haag doing the same in Tottenham. You won’t get the best youngsters in the country. You’ll get a few really good players, combined with very average ones and then some youngsters that might not be so good. That’s what you’ll get at Tottenham or United.

As for the style of play, Poch has a definite style of play but he can manage with whatever he has which is what he has done at PSG. It’s not beautiful attacking football like Ten Haag but I think it’s something we can get used to pretty fast.


Thing is, in recent months, I’ve preferred Ten Haag over any candidate. But when I started to think deeply about it, I realized it’s because of the novelty to me. So I wanted to know what’s even the deal with the guy from others. I can see that with you, it’s definitely the beautiful style of play.

I can't get used to Poch, he bottled too many chances at Spurs and at PSG, he has struggled to stamp his authority on the team...

I accept the jury is out on Erik with regards to handling egoistic players but I rather take a punt on Erik as the pros outweighs the cons...

patrickmuf:
There's always a question on every managers neck unless you are Pep or Klopp...

The thing is most of our current players are just to lazy or just pretending to be. Mourinho demanded more work from Pogba and Martial, it became an issue at the club and teams performance started going south. If Ten Haag is coming in, we need to get rid of Pogba and other unserious players. I don't even mind seeing more of Shoretire, Hannibal and other exciting Youth players, play the rest of our league games this season..

andrewbaba44:
Man united board should employ Gernot rohr

I think he is one of the best option out there and he won’t be expensive

Are you okay ?

ChristoBam:
2 years stand out for Ten Haag in the UCL. 2019 and this year. The year 2019 they had a great run, playing beautiful football. Remarkably knocked out Juventus before losing against Pochetino’s Tottenham. He was tactically outclassed that 2nd leg.

Anything can still happen this year.

So what’s the UCL achievements that’s putting a Ten Haag over Poch?

That Ajax team showed their inexperience that day. They completely dominated Spurs...

I see you want to cling onto that when they met line...

Leyqute:


Are you okay ?

Is ragnick better than rohr ?

Abeg shift

TrebleChamp:
When Assnal win European Trophy last? I refuse to be trolled by Assnal fans....

I am a Barca fan

patrickmuf:
That Ajax team showed their inexperience that day. They completely dominated Spurs...

I see you want to cling onto that when they met line...

He used just a tall Llorente and a pacy moura to dismantle them that 2nd half. People call it inexperience on the Ajax side but they were tactically outclassed that 2nd half. They didn't have any answer for that. Ten Haag saw all of it unfolding from the beginning of the 2nd half and couldn't find an answer to it.

Btwn I'm not using it to diminish what Ten Haag has done. Just pointing out how that glorious year of Ajax ended.


To me, it's because of that particular year, United fans want Ten Haag. No one even cares what he did before Ajax.

patrickmuf:
That Ajax team showed their inexperience that day. They completely dominated Spurs...

I see you want to cling onto that when they met line...

Btwn if any of them is appointed, I'll be happy.

I'll be more excited if Ten Haag is appointed.
But I'll be more relaxed and assured if Poch is appointed.

Don't know if that makes sense.

andrewbaba44:


Is ragnick better than rohr ?

Abeg shift

No vex, Berti Vogts.

DeadPresidents:


Not really true (at least not whilst Pochettino was manager). Tottenham had a net spend so low it's a wonder Daniel Levy is not languishing in a dungeon somewhere right now.

Ajax is the richest club in the Netherlands and can afford to snap up the best talent in the league (like the Berghuis signing) and even top-tier talent from other continents (like Antony)

I feel Pochettino gets too little credit for what he did with Spurs. I'd be happy with Ten Haag but I don't believe we currently have the type of setup that will allow him become an instant success with us.

We can't be looking at instant success if we're being serious.

andrewbaba44:


I am a Barca fan

And you want to troll me this season? Bia respect yaself there...

Ten Haag will need atleast 3 years to put his team together, he will fail woefully if he is to rely on the current overpaid idiats we call players....

#RangnickOUT

TrebleChamp:
And you want to troll me this season? Bia respect yaself there...

There is no time a Barca fan cannot troll a manure fan ,you should be the one respecting yourself here

andrewbaba44:


There is no time a Barca fan cannot troll a manure fan ,you should be the one respecting yourself here

You wey dey play Europa? Barca fan cannot troll anybody this season jare

TrebleChamp:
You wey dey play Europa? Barca fan cannot troll anybody this season jare

I play Europa for the first time ,same Europa that you have been playing for years

You are going back there soon