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MaxInDHouse:
From what i'm able to gather in your write-up it's clear that you have nothing to say about the evil this group is causing in the society but you're just trying to justify your rebellious mindset for not being a humble member of a peace loving group!

I am a man who loves orderliness so the only thing that can make me leave a well organized and orderly group of people is if i can find a better one at that, in the absence of such then all what you're saying amounts to flimsy excuses that's of no practical sense!

There is something in the human spirit that treasures freedom - even if they choose not to exercise it. When that is taken away you are living an abbreviated life. That's what a cult does.
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If all Nigerians were like JW's we'd all be Muslims learning Arabic - that or be killed!

PoliteActivist:
There is something in the human spirit that treasures freedom - even if they choose not to exercise it. When that is taken away you are living an abbreviated life. That's what a cult does.
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If all Nigerians were like JW's we'd all be Muslims learning Arabic - that or be killed!

Humble people chose to subject themselves to orderly setting and standards that ensure peace in their midst {Zephaniah 2:2-3} and you are here complaining even when the whole world can see how peaceful and peaceloving this group has turn out to be. Matthew 5:14-16; 7:16-18

Well this is what Isaiah has to say about you:

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Isaiah 5:20

Instead of all these worthless arguments of no practical benefits, why not present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

You should know that Jesus had a preexistence before he became flesh and returned to where he came from after death.

Abi you no understand those verses I gave you?
Jesus was with God from the beginning.

PoliteActivist:
All those people that said they were sent, where do you think they were sent from - that's the spiritual. In our human reasoning, we know when they were born and know them growing up - how can they be sent?? In our human reasoning it makes absolutely no sense. That's also how we are incapable of understanding how Christ can be a person yet part of the one true God - which is why the Bible says He has the fullness of God. Which is why John TB, a great prophet, was not fit to tie His shoes. Of course all this is crude approximation as there are no human equivalent to these things. But basically, crudely speaking, there's only one God, and Lord Jesus is part of that one God, and all other prophets and persons are not, no matter how great!

cornelboy:
You should know that Jesus had a preexistence before he became flesh and returned to where he came from after death.

Abi you no understand those verses I gave you?
Jesus was with God from the beginning.

You are the one who asked: "Where's the spiritual, have you been there?". I was trying to explain to you what it is.

But of course non of that makes any sense from human/scientific perspective - the same way Lord Jesus being part of the one true God makes no sense. How can someone we saw born like everyone else and saw grow up be sent from anywhere. If they were sent they should have arrived here as adult or at least be already reasoning as an adult immediately after birth!

MaxInDHouse:
Humble people chose to subject themselves to orderly setting and standards that ensure peace in their midst {Zephaniah 2:2-3} and you are here complaining even when the whole world can see how peaceful and peaceloving this group has turn out to be. Matthew 5:14-16; 7:16-18

Well this is what Isaiah has to say about you:

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Isaiah 5:20

Instead of all these worthless arguments of no practical benefits, why not present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

My friend I already told you JW is full of fallible, sinful, selfish people just like other churches, except that they are also a cult.

There are dozens of churches more devout than JW, and many if them are not cults - from Worldwide Church of Christ to Deeper Life.

PoliteActivist:
My friend I already told you JW is full of fallible, sinful, selfish people just like other churches, except that they are also a cult.
There are dozens of churches more devout than JW, and many if them are not cults - from Worldwide Church of Christ to Deeper Life.

Do you think you're talking to a kid?
So you just choose any religion and say they are more devout than God's organized people, and you feel without backing up your claim with the Bible it will sink down the heart of any right thinking person.

Well the one and only result God foretold about the religion that will get things right during the end time is found in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3, no matter how devoted any religion may appear once they're unable to produce this fruit then they're of the Devil! Matthew 7:16-18 compare to James 2:18-26

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think you're talking to a kid?
So you just choose any religion and say they are more devout than God's organized people, and you feel without backing up your claim with the Bible it will sink down the heart of any right thinking person.

Well the one and only result God foretold about the religion that will get things right during the end time is found in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3, no matter how devoted any religion may appear once they're unable to produce this fruit then they're of the Devil! Matthew 7:16-18 compare to James 2:18-26

Google cult Christian churches. JW is not better than any of them. See below, one day your eye will clear like this guy.
You are being deceived.
Accept that Lord Jesus died for your sins, also accept His deity

PoliteActivist:
Google cult Christian churches. JW is not better than any of them. See below, one day your eye will clear like this guy.
You are being deceived.
Accept that Lord Jesus died for your sins, also accept His deity

You've got nothing tangible to say!

PoliteActivist:
All good and well, just admit that the bible, while a most profound and inspiring book, has contradictions and inaccuracies - of course it does, having been written down, compiled, translated, edited, and tampered with by MEN, sometimes men with an agenda! It is DISHONESTY to pretend it doesn't. That's pretending to be a slowpoke!

PoliteActivist:
You are the one who asked: "Where's the spiritual, have you been there?". I was trying to explain to you what it is.

But of course non of that makes any sense from human/scientific perspective - the same way Lord Jesus being part of the one true God makes no sense. How can someone we saw born like everyone else and saw grow up be sent from anywhere. If they were sent they should have arrived here as adult or at least be already reasoning as an adult immediately after birth!

The one true God is one single person, the Father
John 17:3
Quote from the Bible and prove I'm wrong.

Jesus was sent but not like the other prophets. He was in the beginning with God and God sent him as the Messiah.

cornelboy:
The one true God is one single person, the Father
John 17:3
Quote from the Bible and prove I'm wrong.

Jesus was sent but not like the other prophets. He was in the beginning with God and God sent him as the Messiah.

He doesn't want to be guided that's why he's attacking the Bible itself, but the funny thing about him is how he wants to prove something is wrong yet the only book to back it up he stylishly condemned!

cornelboy:
The one true God is one single person, the Father
John 17:3
Quote from the Bible and prove I'm wrong.

Jesus was sent but not like the other prophets. He was in the beginning with God and God sent him as the Messiah.

See below.
Can't you see you just defined Lord Jesus as God.
What confuses you, what you can't wrap your mind around, is that GOD CAN SEND GOD!

MaxInDHouse:
He doesn't want to be guided that's why he's attacking the Bible itself, but the funny thing about him is how he wants to prove something is wrong yet the only book to back it up he stylishly condemned!

See? I told you JW can lie or tell the truth just like other churches. Here you are, telling a blatant lie. I never condemned the Bible and you know it. God forbid! Indeed I said it's a most profound and inspiring book but with isolated and inconsequential inconsistencies, many of which I showed. You, on the other hand, was DISHONESTLY saying there are no inconsistencies in the Bible, thinking you are defending God. You are NOT defending God. God doesn't need nor want your lying defence. You were simply LYING!

PoliteActivist:
See? I told you JW can lie or tell the truth just like other churches. Here you are, telling a blatant lie. I never condemned the Bible and you know it. God forbid! Indeed I said it's a most profound and inspiring book but with isolated and inconsequential inconsistencies, many of which I showed. You, on the other hand, was DISHONESTLY saying there are no inconsistencies in the Bible, thinking you are defending God. You are NOT defending God. God doesn't need nor want your lying defence. You were simply LYING!

What is the Bible?
God's word!

How does God talk to His worshipers?
Through His word (Bible)

How do you know if someone is lying?
Through His/her inconsistency!

Is God reliable through considering His word?
Yes!

But what if His word is filled with inconsistency?

MaxInDHouse:
What is the Bible?
God's word!

How does God talk to His worshipers?
Through His word (Bible)

How do you know if someone is lying?
Through His/her inconsistency!

Is God reliable through considering His word?
Yes!

But what if His word is filled with inconsistency?

Here's where your confusion lies: the Bible contains God's words BUT the Bible is NOT God's words in toto.
It is a profound and inspiring book compiled, translated, and edited by MEN!

PoliteActivist:
Here's where your confusion lies: the Bible contains God's words BUT the Bible is NOT God's words in toto.
It is a profound and inspiring book compiled, translated, and edited by MEN!

So it's God that write everything down with His fingers, shey?
And you don't think the Author who used His Holy Spirit to guide the writers can also use it to monitor His word to the end shey?

For your information God has always monitored His work so even when Satan's agents are at work trying to complicate it God will use trusted hands to safe guard His word.
That's why He used the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses to preserve the massage for sincere and honest hearted individuals who wants to know the truth of God's word.

You can continue comparing thousands of versions after all God has preserved His word alive in the hands of His WITNESSES and they are producing the fruitage God promised us that will serve as evidence of His spirit in the midst of His organized people.

Isaiah and Micah wrote:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

You can continue arguing fruitlessly but know that God's organized people have successfully achieved what you're reading from Isaiah and Micah so any other translation apart from that of the JWs can never work out such positive result because God's Holy Spirit is not working with those handling other translation!

gotnel:
No where in the Bible that God condemn polygamy.
So, the answer to the question asked by OP is capital NO.
However, the circumstances surrounding your life as a man could be that of the one that makes you goes polygamous.
Monogamy is very much better.
But, if you find yourself married to the wrong partner and you have enough economically and your mind is functioning properly to handle two household, don't hesitate to give polygamous practice a chance.
Many men have perished simply because of not wanting to go polygamous and their wives sent them to early graves.

As for the offspring of a polygamous man, everything is about how he organized himself around his children.
Even, children of same womb, with a father who is not organize will have problems with the man property.
May God help us to understand what is happening around us better.

Until u show me your statistics!
You may be right but may not be valid

PoliteActivist:
See below.
Can't you see you just defined Lord Jesus as God.
What confuses you, what you can't wrap your mind around, is that GOD CAN SEND GOD!

Also what you seem not to comprehend is that a God can have another GOD superior to him.
John 20:17, 17:3.

Maybe I need to start from the scratch with you:
First "God" is not a proper noun, the personal name for the God of true Christians is YHWH transliterated to Jehovah. It's a common noun as well as a title.
For example, there are many presidents in the world but the president with world power is Joe Biden. President is just a title.

The Hebrew meaning of God (el) is mighty/strong one. Judges in Israel were called Gods. Jehovah made Moses God over Pharaoh.

So the Almighty GOD Jehovah sent a mighty God Jesus. Everything Jesus have, he got from the Father. Name, authority, Kingdom etc.

MaxInDHouse:
He doesn't want to be guided that's why he's attacking the Bible itself, but the funny thing about him is how he wants to prove something is wrong yet the only book to back it up he stylishly condemned!

He said something about Paul when I quoted his epistles so I have only been quoting from the gospels and acts.

MaxInDHouse:
So it's God that write everything down with His fingers, shey?
And you don't think the Author who used His Holy Spirit to guide the writers can also use it to monitor His word to the end shey?

For your information God has always monitored His work so even when Satan's agents are at work trying to complicate it God will use trusted hands to safe guard His word.
That's why He used the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses to preserve the massage for sincere and honest hearted individuals who wants to know the truth of God's word.

You can continue comparing thousands of versions after all God has preserved His word alive in the hands of His WITNESSES and they are producing the fruitage God promised us that will serve as evidence of His spirit in the midst of His organized people.

Isaiah and Micah wrote:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

You can continue arguing fruitlessly but know that God's organized people have successfully achieved what you're reading from Isaiah and Micah so any other translation apart from that of the JWs can never work out such positive result because God's Holy Spirit is not working with those handling other translation!

You are the one arguing fruitlessly AND confusedly. Something quite simple: We know the Bible contains God's words. But we also know there are inconsistencies in the Bible. God is perfection, therefore the inconsistencies must be from man, therefore man's input must also be in the Bible.
SIMPLE! I don't know what you are arguing!

cornelboy:
Also what you seem not to comprehend is that a God can have another GOD superior to him.
John 20:17, 17:3.

Maybe I need to start from the scratch with you:
First "God" is not a proper noun, the personal name for the God of true Christians is YHWH transliterated to Jehovah. It's a common noun as well as a title.
For example, there are many presidents in the world but the president with world power is Joe Biden. President is just a title.

The Hebrew meaning of God (el) is mighty/strong one. Judges in Israel were called Gods. Jehovah made Moses God over Pharaoh.

So the Almighty GOD Jehovah sent a mighty God Jesus. Everything Jesus have, he got from the Father. Name, authority, Kingdom etc.

But we are monotheistic. That's the most basic fundamental of the Christian faith - WE ONLY HAVE ONE GOD! Not one and a half, not five. ONE!
You are a human being, incapable of understanding the full nature of that one God, and here you are, arguing that God has only one manifestation! Likely that that one God can "manifest" as anyone or anything, we really don't know His full nature. Lord Jesus is a "manifestation" of that one God, with the fullness of God, without being God the father. I put "manifest" in quotes because, as I said b4, there are no human equivalent to these things. This is a VERY crude approximation indeed.

If you keep an open mind you'll realize that Lorrd Jesus can't be anything but a "manifestation" of God.

cornelboy:
He said something about Paul when I quoted his epistles so I have only been quoting from the gospels and acts.

So far what the Bible says doesn't go down well with such a person he will fall back to his default mode saying:
"What you're quoting for me is part of the inconsistencies in the Bible"
There's no need talking to him because he doesn't believe God's word, simple!

PoliteActivist:
You are the one arguing fruitlessly AND confusedly. Something quite simple: We know the Bible contains God's words. But we also know there are inconsistencies in the Bible. God is perfection, therefore the inconsistencies must be from man, therefore man's input must also be in the Bible.
SIMPLE! I don't know what you are arguing!

Your problem is inability to comprehend the meaning of that word (God)
Human kings may fail due to the incompetence of those handling the orders they issued but God will see to it that His word is preserved perfectly because that's the only hope for obedient mankind to be saved.
If God's word is inconsistent then it's useless.
Simple!

House of Joy: Why We Must Hold Fast Our Hope https://miheanyi..com/2022/03/why-we-must-hold-fast-our-hope.html

But we are monotheistic. That's the most basic fundamental of the Christian faith - WE ONLY HAVE ONE GOD! Not one and a half, not five. ONE!

The Father, Jehovah! John 17:3, Deuteronomy 6:4

You are a human being, incapable of understanding the full nature of that one God,

I know you are not human perhaps one the fallen angels that's why you have been adding to what the Bible says.
Support your theory with the scriptures don't just be telling me what's in your head.

and here you are, arguing that God has only one manifestation! Likely that that one God can "manifest" as anyone or anything,

we really don't know His full nature.

Don't tell me you know what we don't know.

Lord Jesus is a "manifestation" of that one God, with the fullness of God, without being God the father

Colossians 1:15
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jesus was the only creature created directly by God the Father. He's the source of all life.

Jesus had been with Father from before the foundation of the world.

Jesus wasn't human doesn't mean he's God. He was begotten in Gods image and was God first creation.

If you keep an open mind you'll realize that Lorrd Jesus can't be anything but a "manifestation" of God

Of course I keep open mind to what the Bible teaches.
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cornelboy:
The Father, Jehovah! John 17:3, Deuteronomy 6:4
I know you are not human perhaps one the fallen angels that's why you have been adding to what the Bible says.
Support your theory with the scriptures don't just be telling me what's in your head.
Don't tell me you know what we don't know.
Colossians 1:15
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jesus was the only creature created directly by God the Father. He's the source of all life.
Jesus had been with Father from before the foundation of the world. Jesus wasn't human doesn't mean he's God. He was begotten in Gods image and was God first creation. Of course I keep open mind to what the Bible teaches.

Today we're having issues throughout the world not because those who are ruling us don't want their governments to be the best but their orders are been manipulated, misconstrued and by so doing the good they have in mind for their people will not be achieved.
Buhari love Nigeria no doubt about that but what about those surrounding him?
Do they all have the same mindset as he does?
So no matter how much Buhari try to make a good name for himself in government selfish, greedy and self-centered politicians will not allow Buhari's good effort to be noticed.
But what about God?
Can the same thing affect God so that His word will be filled with inconsistencies and manipulations due to imperfection in man?
Apostle Paul answered:

For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

This man is insisting that no matter how many mistakes imperfect humans handling God's documents makes God will see to it that His documents are preserved to fulfill it's purpose! 2Timothy 3:16

cornelboy:
The Father, Jehovah! John 17:3, Deuteronomy 6:4



I know you are not human perhaps one the fallen angels that's why you have been adding to what the Bible says.
Support your theory with the scriptures don't just be telling me what's in your head.




Don't tell me you know what we don't know.



Colossians 1:15
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jesus was the only creature created directly by God the Father. He's the source of all life.

Jesus had been with Father from before the foundation of the world.

Jesus wasn't human doesn't mean he's God. He was begotten in Gods image and was God first creation.


Of course I keep open mind to what the Bible teaches.

Can't you see? You just gave Lord Jesus the characteristics of God!
Ok, let's do it this way. Reconcile the following two statements:
1) Jesus Christ is God (according to the attributes you gave him)
2) There can only be one God

In reconciling those two statements you'd see why JW are wrong.

See names of God below. He even went as far as using I AM!

MaxInDHouse:
Your problem is inability to comprehend the meaning of that word (God)
Human kings may fail due to the incompetence of those handling the orders they issued but God will see to it that His word is preserved perfectly because that's the only hope for obedient mankind to be saved.
If God's word is inconsistent then it's useless.
Simple!

Your problem is inability to comprehend that God doesn't work that way. The Bible HAS inconsistencies. Obviously God never micro-managed it as u want to believe!

It is not useless at all. It is extremely useful, inspiring, and awesome. The inconsistencies are isolated and inconsequential

PoliteActivist:
It is not useless at all. It is extremely useful, inspiring, and awesome. The inconsistencies are isolated and inconsequential

Do you know any organized people having the same line of thought on what they learned in this book that's filled with inconsistencies which are isolated? John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

PoliteActivist:
Can't you see? You just gave Lord Jesus the characteristics of God!
Ok, let's do it this way. Reconcile the following two statements:
1) Jesus Christ is God (according to the attributes you gave him)
2) There can only be one God

In reconciling those two statements you'd see why JW are wrong.

See names of God below. He even went as far as using I AM!

According to my own discovery God has only one personal name but many titles.
So Jesus is God (title) just as Moses is God (title) John 1:1 compare to Exodus 7:1

PoliteActivist:
Can't you see? You just gave Lord Jesus the characteristics of God!
Ok, let's do it this way. Reconcile the following two statements:
1) Jesus Christ is God (according to the attributes you gave him)
2) There can only be one God

In reconciling those two statements you'd see why JW are wrong.

See names of God below. He even went as far as using I AM!

If you can't quote the scriptures to support your idea, I will have stop responding to you.

How did Jesus come to existence?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know any organized people having the same line of thought on what they learned in this book that's filled with inconsistencies which are isolated? John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

Quite a few. Those that don't, it's NOT because of the minor inconsistencies but due to differing interpretations and understanding.

MaxInDHouse:
According to my own discovery God has only one personal name but many titles.
So Jesus is God (title) just as Moses is God (title) John 1:1 compare to Exodus 7:1

Don't be confused. Moses directly asked God His name. He only said one name, I AM, which Lord Jesus also used to refer to Himself.
His personal name is certainly NOT Jehovah!