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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 4:44pm On Mar 18, 2022 |
NNTR:1. Judges 11 vs 31 30 Jephthah made a promise to the Lord. He said, “If you will let me defeat the Ammonites, 2. 30 Jephthah made a promise to the Lord. He said, “If you will let me defeat the Ammonites,And 39 At the end of two months, Jephthah’s daughter returned to her father, and Jephthah did what he had promised. His daughter never had sexual relations with anyone. So this became a custom in Israel. - Judges 11 vs 39 |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 5:04pm On Mar 18, 2022 |
NNTR: Kobojunkie:Judges 11:30-31 30And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”' If Judges 11:31 had a human being in mind, and if Judges 11:31 wanted to refer to a person, as you want to argue the case, then, Judges 11:31 would have been written as: whoever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice him or her, as a burnt offering.”' The absence of "whoever and him or her" in Judges 11:31, along with the grammatical structure and word construction indicates, an animal is what was in the mind of Jephthah, not a human being. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 5:10pm On Mar 18, 2022 |
NNTR:So nevermind that Jephthah, and his daughter, both agreed that she was the it that must be sacrificed, you rather insist that because the story writer did not use your desired pronoun in stating this, the story's claim should be rejected? 34 Jephthah went back to Mizpah. He went to his house, and his daughter came out to meet him. She was playing a tambourine and dancing. She was his only daughter, and Jephthah loved her very much. He did not have any other sons or daughters.Interesting! |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 12:18am On Mar 19, 2022 |
Jesus said: destroy this temple(His body) and in three days i will raise it(His body) up again false jw's say: no, Jesus dead body was not raised again ummmm, i wonder just what part of Jesus died and was raised up to life again, if not His body Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit(ruwach) of God moved upon the face of the waters. the hebrew word "ruwach" in english is "spirit". false jw's change God's word, in their book at gen 1:2 they replace "ruwach"(spirit) with the words "active" and "force". "ruwach" can in no way be translated as: "active force" false jw's book: NWT Genesis 1:1 In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters. can you imagine a people so evil that they change what God inspired to be said, and then write the lie in their fraudulent book. they do that same thing in other parts of their book, adding to and changing etc. what God said in the Bible. those false jw people must think they are like ananias and his wife sapphira, that God doesn't see their lies ananian and sapphira were destroyed, so to will all the devils liars be: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:05am On Mar 19, 2022 |
See what this mumu is typing! Topic of discussion: Jephthah and daughter! johnw47: |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 4:53am On Mar 19, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: false jw mad max talk about mumu, you think i mistake ananian and sapphira for Jephthah and daughter but keep running, evading the truth of what i post and loving to hold onto your peoples and the devils lies, of course: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. johnw47: |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 6:28am On Mar 19, 2022 |
israelis are Jehovah Witnesses: isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. ^^ Jehovah is talking to israel as shown in verse 1 verse 1 But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. Christians are Jesus witnesses: acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth. |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:41am On Mar 19, 2022 |
Wèrè (Madman) Topic of discussion is: "Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering" Say something about that here not Witnesses! johnw47: |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 8:56am On Mar 19, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: false jw mad max forever fearfully running from the truth, of course: rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death. johnw47: |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 9:52am On Mar 19, 2022 |
Holy Spirit > God or force a engine is not force, it has force/power, just like the Holy Spirit is not power, He has power when God/The Holy Spirit lives in a believer, that believer has access to God's power, whether it be little or much, God is in control of that |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:25am On Mar 19, 2022 |
johnw47: Idiot! Topic of discussion is: "Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering" I know you people are empty spiritually speaking, it's only to talk about Jehovah's Witnesses that you can flow but when it comes to topics that others can learn from you will become confused as your head is empty. Ògbéni John, talk about the topic of discussion or keep quiet! |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:28am On Mar 19, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You don enter one chance with John47 until you appease him by performing burnt offering (Not human being o) you will not be free from his yoke. 1 Like |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:41am On Mar 19, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: I always ignore the idiot! I'm only responding to show you how empty your so called brethren are apart from talking about Jehovah's Witnesses. If you ask them to talk about anything biblical it's arguments amongst themselves but ask them to talk about Jehovah's Witnesses, come and see how they will be flowing like river Niger! I won't respond to the idiot again nah! |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:12pm On Mar 19, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: John47 has a good reason to tag you for all the heresy you spread, don't you think? 2 Likes |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:36pm On Mar 19, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU:Guy, he's stupidly derailing the thread. So let's focus on the topic and ignore distraction! |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 10:55pm On Mar 19, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: agitated and laughing at the same time - real insane o false jw mad max how you hate the truth, if you knew Jesus you would not be so agitated, butting in and going from thread to thread criticizing christians: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 1 Like |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 1:27am On Mar 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at false jw mad max you call the truth i post: "stupidly derailing", of course you do, how you hate the truth being told: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 1 Like |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 1:37am On Mar 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool false jw mad max so you don't come here talking about christians all over the place, what a blinded hypercrit and liar u r, of course: II Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 27 How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but inside are full of dead people's bones and every kind of impurity. Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 1 Like |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:55am On Mar 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Do you mean he's flogging a dead horse? 1 Like
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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 4:30am On Mar 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse: Idiot! MaxInDHouse: the idiot! Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at false jw mad max these your replies are for the Biblical Truths that I posted. don't forget that you insane o's are God's people, so funny James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. ^^ and just how unstable you are oh mad max, your anger and denial of truth mixed with your much laughter lost one, whenever christians tell you biblical truth that goes against the lies of your false beliefs, you start calling them names, of course: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 1 Like |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 8:58am On Mar 20, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:I shouldn't nevermind that Jephthah, and his daughter, because it doesnt suit your crooked and twisted narrative. Hmm? Kobojunkie:Jephthah's daughter played her father, and he knew it. Of course both, meaning, Jephthah, and his daughter, agreed that she must subject herself to being a living and/or live in sacrifice. How do you think, makes God look, if God had allowed or permitted Jephthah to in His Name offer his daughter up to Him as a burning sacrifice. Hmm? No human being in the bible is recorded as ever explicitly done anything like that Kobojunkie:Here's an interesting fact, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F cc Acehart Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. 1 Like |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Acehart: 9:14am On Mar 20, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. -Judges 11:31(KJV) You missed out on something- the meaning of the word "for". I see from your response to some personalities here that you have substituted or given the wrong meaning to the word "for": you have replaced it was the word "as". You say, "I will offer it up as a burnt offering". The preposition "for" in the Hebrew language has at least 14 translations. The best fit for the verse is בִּמקוֹם, instead of or כְּנֶגֶד, as against. Let's see this example: I will seize your allowances instead of flogging you. Instead here means "to give up (something) for something else" or "part with for some equivalent". Sometimes we use the word in the English language to indicate exchange, swapping, or substitution. When you understand the full implication of Jephthah's vow, you would conclude that he was rash, and running contrary to the will of God. He wanted to institute his will above God's will. Why do I say this? 1. All burnt offerings from Genesis 2 to Jephthat's day involved the sacrifice of the male firstling of cattle, sheep, or goat- A shadow of the sacrifice of God's firstborn, Christ Jesus. Jephthah tried to be like many men, who substituted something in the stead of the instituted burnt offering laws (and God acted decisively); Cain was rejected because he offered the fruit of the ground instead of a firstling from the flock, Aaron's sons offered "strange fire" instead of the fire from the altar and paid with their lives, Elijah's altar was destroyed because he offered a burnt offering at Camel instead of Jerusalem, Saul was removed from the throne because he offered an animal (as a sacrifice) from Amalek instead of Bethlehem, and Uzziah was struck with leprosy because he usurped the prerogatives of the priest. I give all these examples to show that God abhorred Jephthah's vow. All levitical ordinances can never be replaced by the will of man. 2. The Bible shows us that God's people offered an animal sacrifice after warfare and according to God's prescription. We see this in the Book of Joshua after Joshua conquered Ai: He built it according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses - Joshua 8:31. When Jephthah said, "and I will offer it up for a burnt offering", one would think it referred to an animal. Only until his daughter was seen that one would see the true intention of Jephthah. Kobojunkie, read up Leviticus 27 and let’s know your thoughts Cc: NNTR 1 Like |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 9:30am On Mar 20, 2022 |
Acehart:Acehart please dont encourage Kobojunkie to meander down a false trail because the line of reasoning that Jephthah intended or tried to be like many men, who substituted something in the stead of the instituted burnt offering laws is argued using false equivalence examples Jephthah actually was sticking to the instituted burnt offering laws which is to sacrifice a clean animal. Imagine if it was a fly or pig that first came out to greet Jephthah, do you or Kobojunkie think, thats what we'll be reading happened in the text, hmm? Of course, not. You guys need to use the head and not the heart, put emotions and feelings aside, let common sense, rationale and logic rule and win the day. Even, as I earlier put up there, Jephthah has a get-out-jail free pass card, to prevent the fantasy giving up his daughter to God as a burnt offering. Yes, and that is, Jephthah could have done Leviticus 27:2-6, but he opted to go the whole hog which is succumbing to accepting and choosing a lifetime of living sacrifice to God, for his daughter Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:36am On Mar 20, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: He's just a madman always obsessed with JWs i will not quote him again after all i'm here to read people's comments on the topic not trolls! |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Acehart: 9:40am On Mar 20, 2022 |
NNTR:[/sub] His wailing: God’s yoke is easy, and His burden is light. Didn’t the scripture say, “His commandment aren’t burdensome”. If so, how come the tears? You may be correct regarding Jephthah’s action and for good measure it’s facilitation by the Levitical laws. But those tears; wailing for what? I mentioned that it “may” have become a tradition for Israel to sacrifice an animal after victory in war, something that began with Moses, after the Amalek war or with Joshua after the Ai war. Jephthah didn’t need to make a vow; just follow the tradition delivered to them and an animal without blemish that comes out of anywhere in Israel and not his house alone would be sufficient. His intention was according to his heart, a rash vow precipitated by the events of his past. |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by johnw47: 12:21pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at false jw mad max copy cat, what I and others say to you in truth, you repeat back in lies, of course: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. u such a fraud and think even God doesn't see it, don't you pussy 1 Like |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 12:35pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Acehart:Judges 11:34-40 '34And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. 35And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back. 36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon. 37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. 38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, 40That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.' I earlier submitted that Jephthah's daughter played her father. She played him very well, and he knew it. Watch at Judges 11:37-38, what she said, which is 'I will go to bewail my virginity', notice that she doesn't say, 'I'll bewail my coming burning offering death', but accentuated the fact expressed that she never will marry, meaning won't leave at father's house, meaning she'll perpetually be Daddy's girl for life, living at home, dedicated to God's work. Acehart:An animal without blemish that comes out of anywhere in Israel and not his house alone wouldn't necessarily be Jephthah's personal animal that he has a right of, to do as he wishes Here's the deal, Jephthah was expecting a servant at the very least who will first come out to meet him, and who then will be devoted to God's work, but if it happened to be one of his clean animals, then that is what would be sacrificed as a burnt offering. Acehart:The vow was a veiled two-in-one overzealous vow done. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by truespeak: 1:09pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Is it the Law that a person can be held liable for the direct act of another? If your brother should kill another because he had made a vow to you, shall you consider it good and agree to be held responsible for your brother's murder of that other? No, you Shall Not, because it is not your Act. You shall surely say "I no send am o, I am Innocent" Your defence of innocence avails all in this circumstances and thus avails God too. Therefore God is innocent of Jepthath's Act and can not in anyway be guilty of Jepthath's own Act. |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:18pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
truespeak: Before you start chasing shadows you'll have to prove that Jephthah murdered his daughter. 1 Like |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 1:21pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
truespeak:For your information, God will not allow anything like an alleged burning sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter done in God's name that will discredit Him or that would bring the name of God into disrepute We have a precedent set in the bible, where a young man was planned to be sacrificed unto God, but God stepped in, and made sure, to put a stop to it. God will never allow any bad smear, blotch or blemish stain His Hallow and Good Name OLAADEGBU:Fowls have a better chance of growing teeth than him prove that Jephthah 'murdered' his daughter. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by truespeak: 1:25pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU:No I don't You asked a question on God's guilt if Jepthath murdered his daughter meaning if it is taken that Jepthath murdered his daughter would God be liable? That have I answered so rebut if you can. |
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by truespeak: 1:28pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
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