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HardMirror:
for real. Africans have been made to see russians as enemies? This is hilarious... please spare me this nonsense. I dont see russia as an enemy and I dont know anyone who does. What people are against is the war not Russia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-59777385.amp

So what does this mean ?they have looked the othrr way while these african countries suffer despite their wealth.we should be partners not slaves ro anyone .

People are hailing Trump as if Trump will ever dare to attack a country fully armed with all sorts of nukes and catastrophic weapons
You are all saying Trump is umprictable as if Putin is
Nairaland people and ignorant

Good article
Too nuanced for most.
The idea that Putin would not invade bc Trump is "strong" is laughable. Putin didn't formulate the idea that Ukraine is "not a real country" bc of Trump's strength. Its from his communist days.
And the American ppl are fed up with forever wars; that and the potential for WW3 are the reasons why the US will not confront Russia head on in Ukraine.
Besides, let's see how strong Russia really is. Putin will have to spend some of his own money to prop up his self serving regime.

God1000:
This is simply the home and uncomfortable truth why Putin showed restraint during trump administration, any other explanation is risible.

Some delusional and misquided Nigerians still believe otherwise though.

The current crop of republicans in America are very unpatriotic

Donald trump is a cad, blacksheep and blackguard who made America a mockery and laughingstock, Nigerians praising him are clowns

Donald trump orchestrated insurrection in the capitol during the joint session of the Congress which led to the death of many innocent people, he became the first US president to be impeached twice due to his several misdemeanors

The summary of everything written in the article is that Trump wanted to bring peace to the world by taking American soldiers to American land instead of having them littered in all parts of the world.
What is one benefit of NATO to the world?
What is the benefit of having American troops all over the earth?

The democrats are so good in using the media to spread misinformation and distort truth. This is purely Gibberish.

gambojimeta:
Nigerian Trump arse leakers typing from their 7 by 6 face me I slap you know more than a whole American National Security Adviser.

Donald trump will go down in history as the worst US president

bluefilm:
An old man who should be chillin' in the Old People's Home by now is who they have in the White House.

And you want me to take America serious again?

No naa...

America don cast completely

Meaning when that young blood, Obama was there you took him seriously, bah? That motivational speaker that can talk from now till morrow.

MiddleDimension:
lie!
in 2008 when Bush was president, he went into Georgia! do not take my words for it, here is the evidence!
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/the-2008-russo-georgian-war-putins-green-light/

on jan 20th, 2009, Obama came into office. until then, Bush, a REPUBLICAN, was in office. here is an evidence for the claim I just made.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/this-day-in-history/barack-obama-is-inaugurated

I know you and many other people here do not like Russia, so you think, because you cannot really say you hate a people and a country you barely know. I know you do not like Putin, but when your hatred so somwone you barely know allows you to say things that are not true, then there is a problem! you do not like someone but that does not mean you should say things that are not true!

You really wish Putin is afraid of Trump and America; that is like saying America is afraid of Putin and Russia.

and its like you did not read the article yourself. when we say you people supporting America and NATO in this war don't know amything, WE ARE ACTUALLY SAYING THE TRUTH! I do not hate you, I do not even know you; so, why woukd I say you are ignorant and deluded if you are not?

The article clearly made the point that the reason Russia did not invade Zelensky's militia during the time Trump was in office is because Trump was already acting in ways that was weakening NATO already. So, if Russia percieves Nato as a threat and Trump is weakening it already, why then will putin act when Trumps is already weaking his percieved enemy? and this is what Bolton is saying in the article; but you know, because you and many other people here are all american americans, and because all the things you know about Putin and Russia are the propaganda lies you heard from the BBC and CNN, you think you hate Russia and Putin, and you also could not read and comorehend properly what that article said about why Russia did not invade when Trump was president and that it is not because Putin was afraid of Trump (you people should listen to yourselves when you say that nonsense), but because Trump was already disbanding NATO which is what Putin and Russia wants!

stop misleading the public!

You're barely even aware of what you're saying.

Russia attacked Georgia on August 4th when Bush had like 3 months to be in office? When election was held in the forest week of November?

You won't give people the true picture but peddle lies by fact-padding!

To show how emotionally and factually blind you are, even the very source you quoted was mentioning Obama for his reaction for his response to the invasion and not Bush....

Also, if Putin perceived NATO to be weak, that should be a reason to attack Ukraine and not the other way round.

The logical reason to conclude is that Putin didn't attack Ukraine because Trump was a threat, like he almost went to war with China, North Korea, Iran .

Your silly Propaganda says trump would have pulled out of NATO but same Trump was calling on NATO members to double their NATO spending?

What next can you spawn outta ya ass now?

@ Oscillator
Why the name calling bruv ?
Putin's disinformation campaign has been targeted at 2 main pillars-discrediting the EU and undermining NATO.
Trump's browbeating of NATO had as much to do with their negligence in meeting their obligations as much as the initiative of some NATO countries to go about setting up a EURO army, sourcing European defence contractors. See Trump's tantrum directed at S. Korea and the acquisition of the THAAD system.
It was all about American defence contracts for him. And that's well and good but it was nothing more than a NY style gobby move.
I have never heard of "unpredictability" as a force deterrent. And any cursory reading of Putin's motivations ( in summary, the humiliation of Russia's ideological defeat in the Cold War had to be reversed and Russia being seen as a "great power" would indicate that the use of force against Ukraine would have been inevitable without the complete capitulation of Ukraine and Ukrainian society.
I can bet you, Putin will not attack any of the Baltic states, however small they are.

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God1000:
This is simply the home and uncomfortable truth why Putin showed restraint during trump administration, any other explanation is risible.

Some delusional and misquided Nigerians still believe otherwise though.

The current crop of republicans in America are very unpatriotic

Donald trump is a cad, blacksheep and blackguard who made America a mockery and laughingstock, Nigerians praising him are clowns

Donald trump orchestrated insurrection in the capitol during the joint session of the Congress which led to the death of many innocent people, he became the first US president to be impeached twice due to his several misdemeanors

You think America is great again under Biden? Joke of the century.

Bad leaders would always blame the former government.

Trump pushed for Nato countries to meet up with their payment, even if he was not that interested in the Nato sef.

what we know is Biden is weak and the world knows Biden is weak and not in control the more reason why they take their chances, and they've succeed.

thesicilian:
I don't agree though. Trump was a strong leader, and strong leaders may not fear themselves, but they tend to respect one another. There's no way Putin would have invaded Ukraine when no one could predict how trump would react. By now Trump might have sent warplanes and special forces not to assist Ukraine, but to attack Russia directly.
Everyone knows biden is a weakling who wouldn't be able to react even if someone killed his dog and stole his car.

. John wick comes to mind....you dare not kill his dog he may forgive you for stealing his car.

thesicilian:
I don't agree though. Trump was a strong leader, and strong leaders may not fear themselves, but they tend to respect one another. There's no way Putin would have invaded Ukraine when no one could predict how trump would react. By now Trump might have sent warplanes and special forces not to assist Ukraine, but to attack Russia directly.
Everyone knows biden is a weakling who wouldn't be able to react even if someone killed his dog and stole his car.

Lol. How can he attack someone he admires. Trump love Putin life styles and he envy him because no body challenges Putin in Russia. So trump wants to be like Putin so bad but he forgot American is a democratic country that have check and balances

God1000:
This is simply the home and uncomfortable truth why Putin showed restraint during trump administration, any other explanation is risible.

Some delusional and misquided Nigerians still believe otherwise though.

The current crop of republicans in America are very unpatriotic

Donald trump is a cad, blacksheep and blackguard who made America a mockery and laughingstock, Nigerians praising him are clowns

Donald trump orchestrated insurrection in the capitol during the joint session of the Congress which led to the death of many innocent people, he became the first US president to be impeached twice due to his several misdemeanors

It's amazing how some people will just wake up one day and believe everyone who massages their ego without regard for integrity.
Some people don't even know Bolton and how he flirted the White house to get the job then and how he was fired and subsequently went on charade to sleight Trump. Just because you didn't like Trump does not mean you should believe every dick and harry.
If you want to discuss anything foreign policy and politics, you can't start from a biased point of view

this is complete bull shit. Bolton is just spreading lies against Trump for sacking him.
Trump called severally for NATO to spend more on defence how could that mean to undermine NATO.
if you believe this rubbish it means you are dumb.

Donald trump is one of the best president of America if you know you know but most of my Muslim brothers will disagree,don't have time for rubblish argument.

Titogbanski:
Trump threat is what Russia liked. In short by now just as Bolton said American would have pulled out of NATO if Trump was still in power

How are you reasoning?

God1000:
This is simply the home and uncomfortable truth why Putin showed restraint during trump administration, any other explanation is risible.

Some delusional and misquided Nigerians still believe otherwise though.

The current crop of republicans in America are very unpatriotic

Donald trump is a cad, blacksheep and blackguard who made America a mockery and laughingstock, Nigerians praising him are clowns

Donald trump orchestrated insurrection in the capitol during the joint session of the Congress which led to the death of many innocent people, he became the first US president to be impeached twice due to his several misdemeanors

headslammer
Republicans are the only reason America is still standing

justosee:
The summary of everything written in the article is that Trump wanted to bring peace to the world by taking American soldiers to American land instead of having them littered in all parts of the world.
What is one benefit of NATO to the world?
What is the benefit of having American troops all over the earth?

Sure, if America withdraws from NATO there will be peace in EU

Competence5050:
What NATO under Obama and Biden does is sleep, drink and eat, they contribute little or nothing, but Trump made it equal contribution. They expect America to do all the work and send it to every NATO member...

In ur family, u are not allowed to talk oh, u day social media day counter waitin formal national security Bolton talk.

God1000:
This is simply the home and uncomfortable truth why Putin showed restraint during trump administration, any other explanation is risible.

Some delusional and misquided Nigerians still believe otherwise though.

The current crop of republicans in America are very unpatriotic

Donald trump is a cad, blacksheep and blackguard who made America a mockery and laughingstock, Nigerians praising him are clowns

Donald trump orchestrated insurrection in the capitol during the joint session of the Congress which led to the death of many innocent people, he became the first US president to be impeached twice due to his several misdemeanors

Lol.. you sound like a paid Chinese 50 cent keyboard in formats. Mainstream media narratives have already infected your rational thinking.

CriticMaestro:
John Bolton is just a grumpy old man... Trump sent tomohawk missiles to syria were Russians are present.
Trump didnt weaken nato, he simply made sure all members live up to their commitments.
Whatever you are, Whoever you may be, If you are not American and not Pro-American Trump will turn his back on you.

One of the few intelligent persons. Who reads MSNBC? Fake news.

Is that the same reason why for 18 months no US soldiers was killed in Iraq?
Is that also why Kim Jon Un stop firing missiles over Japan and S.Korea?
Is this why the Saudi and Israel started a relationship?
Is this why even Hamas joined in the peace agreement?
Is this why Trump is the only president in recent history who didn’t invade a sovereign country for a regime change?

Bolton that hasn’t met a war he doesn’t like once told Trump to sent soldiers to Columbia, which Trump replied him that he was crazy, is probably one of the intelligence chiefs who signed a letter lying that Biden’s laptop is Russia’s disinformation below.

Obama told Trump that his number one headache was Kim Jon Un but what happened after a few bac and forth, they became friends. This who Trump is, there shouldn’t be a war at the drop of hat when people can just get along.

There are patriots like Trump who feels America should mind its business and then there are evil warmongers who just love the sights of blood and tears which you represent.

Gval123:
In ur family, u are not allowed to talk oh, u day social media day counter waitin formal national security Bolton talk.

really? So you know me that well...

tundess:
@ Oscillator
Why the name calling bruv ?
Putin's disinformation campaign has been targeted at 2 main pillars-discrediting the EU and undermining NATO.
Trump's browbeating of NATO had as much to do with their negligence in meeting their obligations as much as the initiative of some NATO countries to go about setting up a EURO army, sourcing European defence contractors. See Trump's tantrum directed at S. Korea and the acquisition of the THAAD system.
It was all about American defence contracts for him. And that's well and good but it was nothing more than a NY style gobby move.
I have never heard of "unpredictability" as a force deterrent. And any cursory reading of Putin's motivations ( in summary, the humiliation of Russia's ideological defeat in the Cold War had to be reversed and Russia being seen as a "great power" would indicate that the use of force against Ukraine would have been inevitable without the complete capitulation of Ukraine and Ukrainian society.
I can bet you, Putin will not attack any of the Baltic states, however small they are.

apologies for the heated debate.

There might be no direction of this war as many factors are now at stake, i.e another ideological defeat, personal ego, economic loss and a rollback of Russia's gains over the years.

Putin may well tests NATO's resolve if and when his back is pressing hard against the wall.

Hndrrxxx:
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BobbieZion:
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BobbieZion:
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Hndrrxxx:
Oh you tryna diss Hndrrxxx that will prolly get you killed??

I ain't no studio Gangstar.
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Hndrrxxx:
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And I'm out here totting with bangers.

Let me see u front......

BobbieZion:
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And I'm out here totting with bangers.

Let me see u front......

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BobbieZion:
I ain't no studio Gangstar.
I don't clap with words,I pack heat and my luggage is full of clips.

we gon slide, wet your shyt up and make it home 'fore you hear a siren