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LordReed:
The thing is these are not even remotely contemporary accounts but are recounting by people centuries after the supposed events happened. Without any doubt these are stories that were told and retold so many times that one has to wonder if they actually bear any resemblance to reality given that details would have been undoubtedly altered as the years go by.

Rather we find that the evidence available suggests that the Hebrew people are offshoots of indigenous Canaanite tribes that gained ascendancy within their region. If the was any migration into that region it was not of the Hebrews into that place. It might be that the Hebrews took a ancient cultural tale and adapted it to their their own emergent folklore. You can see it even here in Nigeria where various clans have their own spin on their cultural mythos.

Yes, they are recountings by people centuries after the fact. However, what they are recounting is within the bounds of reason and do not include supernatural claims. Also, the Canaanite recounting also includes claims of people who migrated into the area. If the spins don’t include the supernatural, they could very well contain more than a few nuggets of truth. The yorubas claim they migrated from “Mecca” or the east, and I don’t see why that is farfetched because people have been migrated willingly and often unwillingly since the dawn of time. The igbos claiming to be Jews are another story entirely.

Also, a lot of ancient history is told in mythical fashion so the recounting could be the truth undergirding the fiction. I don’t see why they couldn’t have migrated.

Also, the evidence that Israelites were really canaanites is as valid as the recounting because it is not incontrovertible.

Finally, there could be elements of truth in both. They were canaanites and some later migrated to Egypt and were expelled at a later date.

The Native Americans were forced by some white Americans into difficult migrations within recent memory.

MindHacker9009:
I have provided a map to show the Greek empire and a reliable reference on the translation of the scriptures to Greek.

Now you are jumping from pillar to post due to your low IQ as you cannot show a reliable reference as to your claim that there was no Greek empire.

There was no Greek Empire per say is what I said. No greek empires per say but different empires headed by Greeks. All you have to do is tell us which one was involved in your assertions instead of making broad claims. I noticed that you avoided showing the “reliable reference” of which empire was responsible or which one claimed Israel when the translations occurred. Stop looking up at my low IQ.

KnownUnknown:
There was no Greek Empire per say is what I said. No greek empires per say but different empires headed by Greeks. All you have to do is tell us which one was involved in your assertions instead of making broad claims. I noticed that you avoided showing the “reliable reference” of which empire was responsible or which one claimed Israel when the translations occurred. Stop looking up at my low IQ.

There was a Greek empire which Israel was part of hence the translation of the scriptures to Greek. If you don't agree then show your source of reference as to why you disagree rather than showing your low IQ.

MindHacker9009:
There was a Greek empire which Israel was part of hence the translation of the scriptures to Greek. If you don't agree then show your source of reference as to why you disagree rather than showing your low IQ.

Which Greek empire are you talking about? It’s a pretty simple question. Consult your official Wikipedia from your posts and pick one. My low iq is still stratospheric compared to yours. So, it can go as low as you want, even subzero, and it will still be higher than yours

KnownUnknown:
Which Greek empire are you talking about? It’s a pretty simple question. Consult your official Wikipedia from your posts and pick one. [s]My low iq is still stratospheric compared to yours.[/s] So, it can go as low as you want, even subzero, and it will still be higher than yours

What matters is that there was a Greek empire which Israel was part of and that was what influenced the translation of the scriptures to Greek, as the Greeks used the power of their intellect through education to control their empire.
So why is this information a problem for you?

MindHacker9009:
What matters is that there was a Greek empire which Israel was part of and that was what influenced the translation of the scriptures to Greek, as the Greeks used the power of their intellect through education to control their empire.
So why is this information a problem for you?

“The power of their intellect through education”. You say that as if it was unique to the ruling class of the Greeks.
Anyway, which Greek empire?

KnownUnknown:
Yes, they are recountings by people centuries after the fact. However, what they are recounting is within the bounds of reason and do not include supernatural claims. Also, the Canaanite recounting also includes claims of people who migrated into the area. If the spins don’t include the supernatural, they could very well contain more than a few nuggets of truth. The yorubas claim they migrated from “Mecca” or the east, and I don’t see why that is farfetched because people have been migrated willingly and often unwillingly since the dawn of time. The igbos claiming to be Jews are another story entirely.

Also, a lot of ancient history is told in mythical fashion so the recounting could be the truth undergirding the fiction. I don’t see why they couldn’t have migrated.

Also, the evidence that Israelites were really canaanites is as valid as the recounting because it is not incontrovertible.

I don't say there was no migration, I say the migration wasn't done by the Hebrew. If there was it was done by their cultural forebears and it is not likely from Egypt, more likely from Mesopotamia.

Check this out: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200528115829.htm#:~:text=The%20people%20who%20lived%20in,biblical%20texts%20as%20the%20Canaanites.

MindHacker9009:
There was a Greek empire which Israel was part of hence the translation of the scriptures to Greek. If you don't agree then show your source of reference as to why you disagree rather than showing your low IQ.

When the NT was written the Greeks were not in ascendancy in the Levant so it was not translated into Greek but written (mostly) directly in Greek.

LordReed:
When the NT was written the Greeks were not in ascendancy in the Levant so it was not translated into Greek but written (mostly) directly in Greek.

I was referring to the OT scriptures and not the NT gospels. The Greek Empire was ruling Israel during some of the BC period which influenced the translations of the OT scriptures to Greek. This was before the Roman Empire that ruled Israel from the BC into the CE period.

The Encyclopædia Britannica is a reliable source of reference on the Septuagint or Old Testament. Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Septuagint
Septuagint, abbreviation LXX, the earliest extant Greek translation of the Old Testament from the original Hebrew. The Septuagint was presumably made for the Jewish community in Egypt when Greek was the common language throughout the region. Analysis of the language has established that the Torah, or Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament), was translated near the middle of the 3rd century bce and that the rest of the Old Testament was translated in the 2nd century bce.

The name Septuagint (from the Latin septuaginta, “70”) was derived later from the legend that there were 72 translators, 6 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, who worked independently to translate the whole and ultimately produced identical versions. Another legend holds that the translators were sent to Alexandria by Eleazar, the chief priest at Jerusalem, at the request of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–246 bce), though its source, the Letter of Aristeas, is unreliable. Despite the tradition that it was perfectly translated, there are large differences in style and usage between the Septuagint’s translation of the Torah and its translations of the later books in the Old Testament. In the 3rd century ce Origen attempted to clear up copyists’ errors that had crept into the text of the Septuagint, which by then varied widely from copy to copy, and a number of other scholars consulted the Hebrew texts in order to make the Septuagint more accurate.

LordReed:
I don't say there was no migration, I say the migration wasn't done by the Hebrew. If there was it was done by their cultural forebears and it is not likely from Egypt, more likely from Mesopotamia.

Check this out: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200528115829.htm#:~:text=The%20people%20who%20lived%20in,biblical%20texts%20as%20the%20Canaanites.

The study doesn’t suggest that the Hebrew or people who later referred to themselves as Hebrew did not migrate from and into Egypt. The period covered is the Bronze Age (3300bc - 1200bc) and the exodus would have been close to the tail end of this period at the beginning of the Iron Age ( From what I have found, the period could be between 1200bc - 1194bc when the pharaohs named Seti II and Amenmesse had conflicting claims to the throne and there was turmoil including disease in Egypt) . Also, the area we are talking about is Mesopotamia and migrations into and out of it.
Even if the migrations was done by their forebears, it doesn’t mean it stopped with their forebears.

KnownUnknown:
The study doesn’t suggest that the Hebrew or people who later referred to themselves as Hebrew did not migrate from and into Egypt. The period covered is the Bronze Age (3300bc - 1200bc) and the exodus would have been close to the tail end of this period at the beginning of the Iron Age ( From what I have found, the period could be between 1200bc - 1194bc when the pharaohs named Seti II and Amenmesse had conflicting claims to the throne and there was turmoil including disease in Egypt) . Also, the area we are talking about is Mesopotamia and migrations into and out of it.
Even if the migrations was done by their forebears, it doesn’t mean it stopped with their forebears.

The study suggests that the Canaanites the likely forebears of the Hebrew came from Mesopotamia not Egypt. If they were from Egypt then the DNA evidence would link them to Egypt not to Mesopotamia.

LordReed:
The study suggests that the Canaanites the likely forebears of the Hebrew came from Mesopotamia not Egypt. If they were from Egypt then the DNA evidence would link them to Egypt not to Mesopotamia.

DNA evidence is not the end all be all. For instance, some would get dna evidence from Alexandria, founded by the Greeks, to prove that the Ancient Egyptians were white while ignoring the extensive history and geography of the place.

Yes, some even say that the earliest of them came from Ur in Chaldea. But that doesn’t mean their migration didn’t take some of them all the way to Egypt. The place is only a stone’s throw from Egypt. The don’t have to been autochthonous to Egypt for them to have migrated out of it.

Besides, the article does not mention the Hebrews nor insinuate that the Hebrews were or were Canaanites. It just talks about migration into Mesopatamia in the Bronze Age and afterwards.

"The Canaanites, albeit living in different city-states, were culturally and genetically similar," he adds. "In addition, this region has witnessed many later population movements, with people coming from the northeast, from the south, and from the northwest."

LordReed:
The study suggests that the Canaanites the likely forebears of the Hebrew came from Mesopotamia not Egypt. If they were from Egypt then the DNA evidence would link them to Egypt not to Mesopotamia.

This is plain ostrich behavior. It's primary school knowledge that Canaanites are not Israelites. How can a study of Canaanites prove or disprove Israelites. A vague study of 93 bones at that. Stop wasting faith on the ridiculous.

Image123:
This is plain ostrich behavior. It's primary school knowledge that Canaanites are not Israelites. How can a study of Canaanites prove or disprove Israelites. A vague study of 93 bones at that. Stop wasting faith on the ridiculous.

Unlike you I do state clearly that it is a speculation.

LordReed:
Unlike you I do state clearly that it is a speculation.

Ostrich speculation nonetheless.

LordReed:
Unlike you I do state clearly that it is a speculation.

Ostrich speculation nonetheless. "I say the migration wasn't done by the Hebrew. If there was it was done by their cultural forebears"