1Sharon:
As for me personally no 11 year old will have a phone.

Now that is wisdom.

Prevention they say is better than cure.

When you give a child access to a web enabled phone with little or no supervision you have already lost that child to the jungle called the internet and social media with 7 billion influencers influencing your child daily positively and majorly negatively.

I also marvel when i visit friends and see that their kids who are not even 8 years old have unfettered and unsupervised access to everything on the DARK WORLD WIDE WEB.

In London, I did not have my first phone or home computer until age 32 and the heavens did not fall. Kids use enough computer and supervised internet access at school so they can do without it at home or if they must use it at home, i will so rig the computer or phone with monitoring such that I am aware of any dodgy website they visit before they say jack robinson.

Me wey be say I dey track my then 14 year old sons posts on his Facebook account and I sharply correct him when he and his friends make unacceptable posts online and when he tries to deny it, I ask him if he wants me to tell him the date, time and exact content he posted and he then backs out from his denials.

I'm sure a lot of parents don't know that the rational part of a teenager's brain is not fully developed and won’t be fully developed until age 25 or so.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051

Although left to me, he would not be on Facebook even at 14 years old and I was in away in Nigeria on a business trip and my ex wife allowed him a Facebook account in my absence.

Even a lot of adults can not handle some of the "stuff" they see / read on the internet / social media talk less of a teenage or pre-teenage child and this is why i marvel when i see black parents in the UK allow their very young children (less than 10 years old) to have the same access that adults have to all the content on the dirty world wide web when even adults are struggling to cope with / exorcise themselves of some of the sordid nastiness on the internet / social media.

Imagine allowing a child unsupervised access to twitter where people post any and everything in "broad daylight" including pornography and twitter turns a blind eye !!!!

loveymom:


Oh wow, I will have to talk to my kids about keeping their mouths shut in case they get questioned by the school authorities or social service.

Hello stranger

It's real o.
Just be their best friend and others will fall in place.

descarado:

Hello stranger

It's real o.
Just be their best friend and others will fall in place.

Hi Nne ndi ikhom
I am their best friend. Hopefully, we are in a good place even in the future.

Kobojunkie:
You claimed that Osama, Hitler, and Putin were raised in what is the developed world, but that claim is untrue. You also claimed their upbringing had some thing to do with their exploits as adults but there is no real connection to be had there.

Wetin again...

The lady I mentioned claimed that despite all the beatings Africa give their wards, Africa is still a shithole devoid of human empathy,peace and development while the whites who don't beat their kids have a society that is synonymous to human empathy, peace and develpment.
Now understand that in the context she used, there was nothing like the WEST, it was basically the WHITES against the African society.
so the people that I referenced, don't they qualify for the denotation, THE WHITES, or are u telling me that they were raised in Africa.

Now my claim of their exploits being related to their upbringing is a reverse psychology I used to prove to to the lady I was arguing with that upbringing has nothing to do with the desposition of peopleninna society whether developed or not. You get the drift now

cocolacec:


That was unfair and unnecessary exposure to harm.Why dehumanise your own daughter?
What if she developed pneumonia or got raped that is how she would have turned to a street girl.
Parents raising their children fails to understand these children are peer pressured in schools and the environmemt they find themselves.All you needed to do was have a heart to heart talk with her not master/slave relationship most Nigerian parents have with their children.Africans parents only thrive in destroying their erring children not correct them in love and kindness.
I will never treat my daughter like that.

I agree.

JohnBullMySon:
Sorry to fault you, but your behavior, maturity and attitude goes a long way to determine whether your children will respect and listen to you.

From your writups here its already clear to me that you're very erratic and full of drama. Before blaming your kids, question your own attitude.

I agree.

shantti:


The lady I mentioned claimed that despite all the beatings Africa give their wards, Africa is still a shithole devoid of human empathy,peace and development while the whites who don't beat their kids have a society that is synonymous to human empathy, peace and develpment.
Now understand that in the context she used, there was nothing like the WEST, it was basically the WHITES against the African society.
so the people that I referenced, don't they qualify for the denotation, THE WHITES, or are u telling me that they were raised in Africa.

Okay, now I am thoroughly confused. Where did I mention whites?
I believe I said "westerners"

Shokoloko:


You are a typical Nigerian who goes violent on people because they have different views

See emotional blackmail 101. So any refutation of your shaky, error-infested claptrap is a portrayal of a nonexisting violence that occurs only in your head. I'm glad you have been unable to coercion people into agreeing with your erroneous view, even when knowing "violence" is a choice word you use with complete abandon.

Shokoloko:

That you were not able to provide any references to refute mine means you do not know as well. There are several papers on this, I just chose one. Everyone lese cannot be wrong while Solatium's common sense is correct.
This is a public forum and you should be able to provide references to refute a claim not hiding behind the cloak of common sense. When Hitler was annihilating the Jews did you not think that he was applying his "common sense" in trying to ensure the purity of the Aryan race? Common sense is relative therefore our common sense cannot precede factual, thorough studies that have been made public on google.

BTW, My second educational degree is in Accounting, I know what GDP in relation to Economy is. What is your own second degree in?

If you need citation from Google to validate your knowledge of things as little as this,then your degree certificates should come to questioning.
Those who studied Sociology, Criminology or Anthropology do not need to even read twice before they know you are talking balderdash.
You are one of the Major reason schools abroad don't count our degree towards academic credit, having degrees either first or second is not enough,but how have you been able to internalized knowledge and make same reflect on the quality of your argument while in fora like this is what matters.
Madam,no need to form Voltron,just keep quiet and learn

Shokoloko:


Okay, now I am thoroughly confused. Where did I mention whites?
I believe I said "westerners"

Sorry, I read u wrong. But should I start mentioning Americans who had perpetrated atrocities

mrblessed:
See emotional blackmail 101. So any refutation of your shaky, error-infested claptrap is a portrayal of a nonexisting violence that occurs only in your head. I'm glad you have been unable to coercion people into agreeing with your erroneous view, even when knowing "violence" is a choice word you use with complete abandon.

If you feel someone has made an error, point it out and correct the person, rather than insulting the person.
I keep saying it is typically in Africa that two people will be having a debate, ne person will make his presentation and the other person instead of making his own presentation will attack the 1st person verbally.

Even you, what effort did you make to correct my erroneous view. You could type out an insult, but you did not have the time to type out a correction. Mtscheww!

shantti:


Sorry, I read u wrong. But should I start mentioning Americans who had perpetrated atrocities

Yes please , mention a couple. I would like to go study their childhood backgrounds and either correct myself or give you an update

Solatium:




If you need citation from Google to validate your knowledge of things as little as this,then your degree certificates should come to questioning.
Those who studied Sociology, Criminology or Anthropology do not need to even read twice before they know you are talking balderdash.
You are one of the Major reason schools abroad don't count our degree towards academic credit, having degrees either first or second is not enough,but how have you been able to internalized knowledge and make same reflect on the quality of your argument while in fora like this is what matters.
Madam,no need to form Voltron,just keep quiet and learn

I am ready to learn. Teach me na.
Just so you know Google isn't the only search engine available, so if you have a problem with google, kindly cite from a different search engine
You have the time to type all this, but no time to type out a correction. This common sense isn't as common as we think it is.
BTW, the second degree is Canadian. Thanks
I ask again what is your second degree?

1stGenAmerican:


I agree.

I am actually very concerned about the police record she might be creating against her kids

KanwuliaBaby:


Good to see you madam B!❤️

Thank you!
I go show dem ke.
Dem go call police TAYA!

I told the police to please take anyone who can't tolerate the home rules. Do you know what the stupidd cops told me?

They said their “books” are full and there is no space in “the system”! Oh?

It got to a stage I filed a complaint against the police dept for RACISM! Arrrrrrrgh, they started sending only BLACK COPS to my house o!

If ANY CHILD DISOBEYS, I CALL THE POLICE!

I wore them out.

No one wants to call police any more o!
I became an EXPERT in calling the police.

If you nor wash plate- POLICE!
If your nor brush teeth- POLICE!
If you disobey curfew- POLICE!
If you nor do homework- POLICE!
If you use foul language at home- POLICE!

The police were tired of me o! I taught them and the children a gravvvve lesson.

Now, I can parent in. PEACE!

please teach us the way

Shokoloko:


I am actually very concerned about the police record she might be creating against her kids

No records until 18 unless you are involved in major juvenile delinquency

shantti:
1. The lady I mentioned claimed that despite all the beatings Africa give their wards, Africa is still a shithole devoid of human empathy,peace and development while the whites who don't beat their kids have a society that is synonymous to human empathy, peace and develpment.

2. Now understand that in the context she used, there was nothing like the WEST, it was basically the WHITES against the African society.
so the people that I referenced, don't they qualify for the denotation, THE WHITES, or are u telling me that they were raised in Africa.

1. OK!

2. If by WHITES, we literally indicate skin color here, then there is a problem since we also have WHITE africans both in northern(Arab) and Southern Africa. So.....?

Shokoloko:


I am ready to learn. Teach me na.
You have the time to type all this, but no time to type out a correction. This common sense isn't as common as we think it is.
BTW, the second degree is Canadian. Thanks
I ask again what is your second degree?

Who cares where you get your degrees from?
You only need to read and pass an exam then a certificate awarded for your efforts.
That is what certification is all about,deploying what you have learned is what I am after an SSCE holder who is logical in thinking is far more better than a Msc Holder.

i do not have a second degree but i will school you with your Toronto Msc or MA or MPhil.

Shokoloko:


Yes please , mention a couple. I would like to go study their childhood backgrounds and either correct myself or give you an update

Ok

Be calming down .... Not all Africa parents are bully. I know what i did from small very very bad bad thing , I deserve any beating. What you should be against is putting fire in a child hand or pepper inside a female child virgin

Shokoloko:
The typical African parent is a bully. Children are beaten and tortured for no reason.
Children are beaten up for not understanding her schoolwork, Children are beaten up for getting sexually molested, Children are beaten up for crying from the previous beaten, Children are beaten up for not answering quickly enough, Children are beaten up for daring to have a different point of view.

In your example, how can a man and wife (two people) hit, tackle to the ground and beat the crap out of a 15 year old. Like 2 people to one person? Even if she was an adult and not their daughter, two people to one is an unfair situation.

What Nigerians and Africans refuse to learn is that violence destroys a country. See how all the violent countries are experiencing reduced GDP compared to those that are not. Africans will continue to create and breed monsters.

It will be very easy for a 15 year boy to rape and beat up a 6 year old child because he has been beaten to the point of trauma he feels its not a big deal, his mother's has beaten the house help to stupor, and his father has beaten his mother to stupor so violence is a part of life.

GloriousGbola:


No records until 18 unless you are involved in major juvenile delinquency

Awesome. Thanks. I guess this is for the US. I read somewhere that in Canada some occupations will require a police background check from students attempting to get into university. I am assuming that some of these students will be younger than 18.
Anyways, thank you for allaying my fears. I was quite worried

Solatium:



Who cares where you get your degrees from?
You only need to read and pass an exam then a certificate awarded for your efforts.
That is what certification is all about,deploying what you have learned is what I am after an SSCE holder who is logical in thinking is far more better than a Msc Holder.

i do not have a second degree but i will school you with your Toronto Msc or MA or MPhil.

Where are you references? Why are you trying to avoid debating and correcting me.
Lets go back to the correction you were about to give me. I am waiting.

I told you that child abuse and domestic violence affects a country's GDP. I gave references. You said it does not. Explain to me

KanwuliaBaby:


You damn right! I don’t play with these little fools here o.

If you try to call the police, they will just fall on their knees and be begging. Dem don taya to see police ke!

You have to use the system to your advantage ke!

Every police complaint is RECORDED IN THEIR FILES.

When it gets to a stage, they police sends them in front is a judge for being public nuisances. That na another wahala entirely.

Na dem go get record, nor be me?✅

You are lucky their Dad is on the same page with you.

My Ex wife once told me in front of my then 11 year old son in London (who I was about to discipline) the following words - Ti o ba fi owo kan omo yen ma a pe olopa - meaning that if I touched my son, she would call the police.

Shokoloko:

Where are you references? Why are you trying to avoid debating and correcting me.
Lets go back to the correction you were about to give me. I am waiting.

I told you that child abuse and domestic violence affects a country's GDP. I gave references. You said it does not. Explain to me

Read writings of Emile Durkheim,Max Webber,Karl Marx and the ilks and you wouldn't be asking stupid questions like this..
ire o

Solatium:




Read writings of Emile Durkheim,Max Webber,Karl Marx and the ilks and you wouldn't be asking stupid questions like this..
ire o

Which of their books? They must have written on a variety of subjects. Which ones please so that you can go back to your laptop sales and I can face my budget reconciliation?
If you were in a sane country or if you were sane you would respond this way: NO question is stupid, please ask away, these and these are the books I believe that you should study to enlighten yourself on this matter. Let me know if you need more clarification.

But no, the typical aggressive African selling laptops, which is you, will say " stop asking stupid questions ....."
The reason why you generalized and their books together is because YOU DO NOT KNOW WHICH ONE TO RECOMMEND

NoToPile:
parenting seems to be a whole different ball game in obodo yonder.

In Nigeria, a parent can go to their child's school, enter their classroom and slap / flog their child in front of his classmates and teacher as punishment for something the child did at home.

Try that in the West and the Government will take that child off you (and their social services will most likely wreck the child's life eventually), and you will most likely lose your job and most likely end up in prison for assault and/or child abuse.

Shokoloko:


Lol, no need to pity them, They are happy and close to their grandkids. No violent discipline. Children's character are molded before age 12

Ok

gadgethead:


You and your siblings are a rarity. We have also seen girls who started out wearing skimpy clothing and ended having underage sex or worst still, getting pregnant. One rule doesn't fit all

That’s not true. The most useless children I saw who were having sex and even doing all sorts of orgies and nasty things were children of pastors and those from very strict homes. Looks are mostly deceiving! The lesson there is that, decency is not something that has to do with outward looks.

Evolutionlove:


See no matter how you people try to potray this RACISM of a thing overseas, I will always be at the forefront to counter your claims. AFRICANS/BLACKS are worse off when It comes to deprivation, castigation and segregation Just to mention a few. I will proudly and gladly embrace the RACISM from those White Folks because I've weighed my options. I wouldn't want to go Into details on the kind of experience I'm currently having In my own legitimate abode. You can call It low self esteem, asslicking or whatever. What I know Is "When Life & Hand Touch You For Nigeria" You will have a rethink and wake up to your senses. Na when una don belleful and gain ground una go dey talk about racism. Why don't you Vex and donate your life savings and properties to their government and come back to Nigeria to start afresh. Na then you go know "REAL RACISM"

You know next to nothing about racism.
You think racism is only about calling you nigga,black monkey??

Klass99:
too many women place their kids over and above their hubbys.

This is very common in London where the kids are used as pawns / weapons against their Dad who eventually has no choice but to move out of the house for his own sanity or to prevent himself from going to prison for disciplining his own child in a situation where wife and kids gang up against husband/father to get him out of the house any which way they can so that the woman can claim generous single parent cash from the government and the kids can do as they wish in the house with no correction.

A lot of times, the generous single parent cash benefits that is given to single mothers in the UK (which is the single parent capital of Europe) has blinded some of these so called single mothers to the long term dangers of raising children in a home where there is no father figure.

One such Nigerian boy aged 23 stabbed his mum do death in London in 2013 and is currently serving life in prison.

A similar case happened in Detroit USA in 2012 when a 14 year old boy shoots his mother dead as she slept after she tried to keep him away from joining a gang or hang with the 'big boys'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-33204248

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107504/Joshua-Smith-14-shoots-mother-Tamiko-Robinson-death-slept.html

drnoel:
I can assure you that Nigerian parents are not the only ones that discipline their children by using the cane or pain

What?

Shokoloko:
The typical African parent is a bully. Children are beaten and tortured for no reason.
Children are beaten up for not understanding her schoolwork, Children are beaten up for getting sexually molested, Children are beaten up for crying from the previous beaten, Children are beaten up for not answering quickly enough, Children are beaten up for daring to have a different point of view.

In your example, how can a man and wife (two people) hit, tackle to the ground and beat the crap out of a 15 year old. Like 2 people to one person? Even if she was an adult and not their daughter, two people to one is an unfair situation.

What Nigerians and Africans refuse to learn is that violence destroys a country. See how all the violent countries are experiencing reduced GDP compared to those that are not. Africans will continue to create and breed monsters.

It will be very easy for a 15 year boy to rape and beat up a 6 year old child because he has been beaten to the point of trauma he feels its not a big deal, his mother's has beaten the house help to stupor, and his father has beaten his mother to stupor so violence is a part of life.

Trash, trash, trash brother. Compare the rate of rape between western world and Africa, despite their stenched law they still rate high. Inhuman is inhuman whether among whits or people of colour.