CoolAmbience:


Is there any law in Nigeria requiring Nigerians not to vote party candidates but independent candidates?

Is there even any such thing independent candidacy in Nigeria?

What was your pastor even talking about?

See how you are struggling just to justify your pastor... was it the Bible that told them to buy private jets and live lavish lifestyles as they now do, since you are now suggesting that they only rely on Bible for everything they do?

From all you have typed it is not hard to see that you generally angry with all or most pastors and you feel that all of them are evil and are the same thing.

Since you don't understand what he said, let me explain it to you.

What he meant is that people should not choose leaders based on tribe, ethnicity or religion.

He also said that people should vote people who have a future for the country and not just people whose plan is to get into office.

Everything he said is in agreement with what many sensible Nigerians have been saying and I believe you also agree with it.

You are only trying to find a way to say something negative about him since you don't like him.

By the way the Bible never called buying private jets a sin. As long as it was bought with legit funds, there is no problem with that.

David Ibiyeomie does not own a private jet so I don't know why you brought that into this matter.

goodconsience77:
In this context vision means foresight or planning.

Ok. But I know u know foresight isn't the issue here.

desiredhome:

The pastorprenours uses church to commit evil and because you may not understand.....

How do the church make money? ... through collections from their member etc.....

Everytime the politicians want to go for elections they go to these pastorprenours and they don't go with empty hand ........ Politicians uses some of these pastorprenours private jet to launder money..........
There are cases of big government officials that defraud their company/ministry to give to their church.....
This is the least I can explain.....you can Google and get some more ........
There's no difference between Nigerian pastorprenours and the politicians....

I am glad you said they (the politicians) don't go empty handed and the same politicians defraud the government to give to the churches.

They do what they do because they decide to do it, not because the pastors asked the to do it.

You'll find that they will steal from the same places if they want to take care of their family, so for some of them it is not new.

What those politicians do is not good, even if they want to give the money to the poor.

However, if you are going to blame the pastors for that then you need to be able to prove that the pastors or those churches asked them to defraud governments and people and give the money to them.

desiredhome:

No matter who is there, nothing will change.....
It's difficult to rule a people that over 60% are poor/illiterate......

Right... Election!!... They are driven by the 2k during election... But they don't see what's coming ahead.... Illiteracy

CapnMike:


I am glad you said they (the politicians) don't go empty handed and the same politicians defraud the government to give to the churches.

They do what they do because they decide to do it, not because the pastors asked the to do it.

You'll find that they will steal from the same places if they want to take care of their family, so for some of them it is not new.

What those politicians do is not good, even if they want to give the money to the poor.

However, if you are going to blame the pastors for that then you need to be able to prove that the pastors or those churches asked them to defraud governments and people and give the money to them.

These pastorprenours already knew the politicians money are corrupt/stolen money and then still encourage/accept the money.....

If a man knew a good was stolen and still went ahead and buys those stolen good, he is same as the thief that sold the stolen good to him.....

The love for money has made a lot Nigerians sold their conscience......

Odewaleadesoye:


Source: https://dailypost.ng/2022/03/29/2023-dont-vote-for-party-again-in-nigeria-ibiyeomie/

Rhetorical clichés.

People with vision will not get the party ticket, remember dey are just 2 major parties and the votes counts most especially for PDP and APC

I wish this can take place buh our youth are so blind most of them full here in naira land parading tinubu as their next leader only if you You know you're going to be architect of your own destructions

When I graduating and buari was going for the second tenure heard some students in my school saying they'll kuku rig the vote so they won't waste their vote buh kuku vote for buari and I look at them and imagine why pay for this ones school fee
We want a better country even when you know they'll rig why not still do your part doing the right thing
I pray most of them on this platform have sense
And by God's grace I pray as people are dying if it repeat during their tinubu tenure may prayer is they should be the victims of the circumstance

Who are those people with vision in this land call Nigeria?

We've always been voting for people but the two leading parties have much charisma and know how to play the game than the rest.

Make everybody up their game

It would have been a better idea if it's in another world.
But this earth so.
People have been voting for party and will continue to vote for party forever.
They can only hope good people with good vision is the flagbearer
But the bitter fact is... Nigeria has no candidate with good and great vision at all.
Most of the candidates in smaller political parties are all pretenders and mediocres
They all announce their declaration and have been collecting forms till today to make money from their followers through fundraising for campaigns, simply because they know they stand no chance to win. At least not in this country.
Now what baffles me the most is... Few of this their irrational followers are just average rich friends that will still donates from the little they have to them, while most of the irrelevant followers are only loyal for their stomach infrastructures.

President buhari

Una preaching sef follow contribute for this country down fall

Is he not a political capitalist pastor wike even goes to his church for campaign or thanks giving anything he wins election.

SecretReporter:
Tell this to my northern brother's, they are 89% of all the problems facing Nigeria

That includes IPOB, CULTISM and SKULL MINING.

Abegunde993:
I wish this can take place buh our youth are so blind most of them full here in naira land parading tinubu as their next leader only if you You know you're going to be architect of your own destructions

When I graduating and buari was going for the second tenure heard some students in my school saying they'll kuku rig the vote so they won't waste their vote buh kuku vote for buari and I look at them and imagine why pay for this ones school fee
We want a better country even when you know they'll rig why not still do your part doing the right thing
I pray most of them on this platform have sense
And by God's grace I pray as people are dying if it repeat during their tinubu tenure may prayer is they should be the victims of the circumstance

What makes you think is because of voting in Buhari that things are the way it is today?.....
As far as I'm concern, it's the greedy/heartless politicians that are trying by all means to sabotage this government.......

No matter who won the election, if the people don't change their mindset, the next administration might even get worst, be it APC or PDP that will be in power.....
The poverty/wickedness in our people is too much

CapnMike:


From all you have typed it is not hard to see that you generally angry with all or most pastors and you feel that all of them are evil and are the same thing.

Since you don't understand what he said, let me explain it to you.

What he meant is that people should not choose leaders based on tribe, ethnicity or religion.

He also said that people should vote people who have a future for the country and not just people whose plan is to get into office.

Everything he said is in agreement with what many sensible Nigerians have been saying and I believe you also agree with it.

You are only trying to find a way to say something negative about him since you don't like him.

By the way the Bible never called buying private jets a sin. As long as it was bought with legit funds, there is no problem with that.

David Ibiyeomie does not own a private jet so I don't know why you brought that into this matter.

And the Bible called running for public office under a political party a sin abi?

Which legit funds? When it comes to pastors, funds become legit. How would things get better when pastors no longer bother about what people, who donate huge sums to their churches, do for a living?

Do you even know how massive his Church headquarters building is? You cannot convince me that all funds contributed and invested in that project in Igwuruta, Ikwerre LGA, are legit.

There is nothing sensible in what he has said. They, pastors, contribute significantly to the mess our society has become.

We have to say it as it is. If you dey fear to talk true, me I no dey fear.

All we are facing today stem directly from failure of parenting, community, religious and national leaderships. No one should be exempted hiding under the Bible or Quaran.

Una dey find am easy to play attacking positions if dem dey blame political leaders for our failures, but when dem mention pastors, una go go defence.

Buhari is the biggest mistake that the black race have made. Anything that touch 4 Nigerians touches one black man on the earth.

Buhari is the biggest mistake that the black race have made. Anything that touch 4 Nigerians touches one black man in the earth

Dreamhighnow:


The last time I checked. Pastor are not responsible for light, good roads, security, national education, health etc

Let pastor be and face people you vote into power

Your pastor has not said anything! All you do is just talk! Talk is cheap!

ednut1:
419 pastor. How do you see vision How do you see vision when hunger dey wire you

. Did he asked U to see Vision ? If being rich makes one to see Vision ,He is not Poor so he can see ,Since U Mention that Poor people , Hungry people doesn't see Vision then don't go near Vision ..Leave Vision for the Rich

CapnMike:


From all you have typed it is not hard to see that you generally angry with all or most pastors and you feel that all of them are evil and are the same thing.

Since you don't understand what he said, let me explain it to you.

What he meant is that people should not choose leaders based on tribe, ethnicity or religion.

He also said that people should vote people who have a future for the country and not just people whose plan is to get into office.

Everything he said is in agreement with what many sensible Nigerians have been saying and I believe you also agree with it.

You are only trying to find a way to say something negative about him since you don't like him.

By the way the Bible never called buying private jets a sin. As long as it was bought with legit funds, there is no problem with that.

David Ibiyeomie does not own a private jet so I don't know why you brought that into this matter.

Why is that your god, bible and your pastor don't speak straight language like 419'ners, you always have to interpret what they said in order for people to understand!
If you have to interpret communiqué all the time, you are a fraud!

I keep saying this. Nigerians act woke but are the biggest dummies. Yes, I said it. Same people form one party, after looting and destroying destroying County will come out with another party and tell us that the other party finished us and we will buy it and vote same people in.
Imagine somebody will say PDP's 16years rule is what is affecting Nigeria till today. No be the same people dey rotate party?
When it is good, the individual takes credit, when it is bad, they throw a party under the bus.

desiredhome:

You are right,..... that is common to the poor/developing nations..... Nigeria is one of them....

Exactly!

Rubbish talk.
We are supposed to build strong institutions NOT strong men!!!

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Simple but some will never agree with you..
The ultimate blame for bad results must go to the citizens... they elect the men who write the laws..that create the conditions in which the people will prosper or perish...

The voter must be fully informed and know clearly for whom and what he/she is voting...So ultimate responsibility for bad laws and policies goes to the citizens and especially those who aren’t politically engaged at all...

People get the Government they deserve... If people believe that their religion or language identity is more important than the economic policies and performances of the Government then even a good politician cannot do much in power..

Respect to you.......I wish we can take elections as serious as football unites us.

Odewaleadesoye:


Source: https://dailypost.ng/2022/03/29/2023-dont-vote-for-party-again-in-nigeria-ibiyeomie/

I have read all the comments, now who is the man with vision ?

Odewaleadesoye:


Source: https://dailypost.ng/2022/03/29/2023-dont-vote-for-party-again-in-nigeria-ibiyeomie/

Waste of time ,Nigerians won't hear. Give them 3000 naira with rice and beans or bread and they will even vote for a candidate on stretchers or even on oxygen mask

CoolAmbience:



And the Bible called running for public office under a political party a sin abi?

Which legit funds? When it comes to pastors, funds become legit. How would things get better when pastors no longer bother about what people, who donate huge sums to their churches, do for a living?

Do you even know how massive his Church headquarters building is? You cannot convince me that all funds contributed and invested in that project in Igwuruta, Ikwerre LGA, are legit.

There is nothing sensible in what he has said. They, pastors, contribute significantly to the mess our society has become.

We have to say it as it is. If you dey fear to talk true, me I no dey fear.

All we are facing today stem directly from failure of parenting, community, religious and national leaderships. No one should be exempted hiding under the Bible or Quaran.

Una dey find am easy to play attacking positions if dem dey blame political leaders for our failures, but when dem mention pastors, una go go defence.

Like I said, all you want to do is disagree with what he said since you don't like him and you are still proving that.

You claim that there is no sense in what he said yet other people are saying that it makes sense.

You say that what we are facing today is as a result of failed parenting and good leadership.

I ask you one question, have you not seen people who received good training at home and decided to turn bad?

In case you haven't, I have.

You also say that all the funds used in building that cathedral is not legit and I can't disagree with you.

No matter how you behave, you can't know the sources of income for all your members and followers. They can tell you some and and hide some and they could even lie about their source of income totally.

When he spoke against internet fraud in Nigeria, were you not amongst the people who condemned him?

We can continue to argue and argue, but all I know is that we all want good leadership and all he said is correct. We need a leader who is ready to prepare Nigeria for the future.

Stop trying to attack someone who is speaking the truth.

If pastors talk, you people will condemn them. If they don't talk, you'll still condemn them. Na wa for una sef.

ednut1:
419 pastor. How do you see vision How do you see vision when hunger dey wire you

na dat hunger go kee you if u no vote right.
stay there and be looking for who will feed you.

CapnMike:


Like I said, all you want to do is disagree with what he said since you don't like him and you are still proving that.

You claim that there is no sense in what he said yet other people are saying that it makes sense.

You say that what we are facing today is as a result of failed parenting and good leadership.

I ask you one question, have you not seen people who received good training at home and decided to turn bad?

In case you haven't, I have.

You also say that all the funds used in building that cathedral is not legit and I can't disagree with you.

No matter how you behave, you can't know the sources of income for all your members and followers. They can tell you some and and hide some and they could even lie about their source of income totally.

When he spoke against internet fraud in Nigeria, were you not amongst the people who condemned him?

We can continue to argue and argue, but all I know is that we all want good leadership and all he said is correct. We need a leader who is ready to prepare Nigeria for the future.

Stop trying to attack someone who is speaking the truth.

If pastors talk, you people will condemn them. If they don't talk, you'll still condemn them. Na wa for una sef.

Why would I condemn him when he spoke against internet fraudsters? I dey mad?

You can't say I hate him because I disagreed with him in this instance. I actually was among people who hailed his condemnation of 'yahoo yahoo'. I condemn it everyday.

I have been to Ibiyeomie's Church at Birabi in the GRA area of Port Harcourt. I no hate am, but I must not agree with everything he says. I no dey do 'blind following'.

What I know for sure is that religious organizations can do more to fix Nigeria's economic and moral ills.

Building physical edifices and always attempting to exonerate herself from our collective challenges, is the wrong approach.

As for what you said about a child having good home training and veering in the other direction at adulthood, that is subjective. What you call good home training may fall far below par, by another person's evaluation. E get who go gree say e no train him pikin well?

I still maintain that the home, the community, the school and the Church / mosque have a huge role to play in restoring Nigeria's moral standards, and better the country.

It may not be Ibiyeomie directly, but his colleagues, in their numbers, are involved in 'prayer on laptops' for yahoo boys, and are accomplices in many money ritual killings.

There is no doubt, that the Church, in particular, is responsible for fueling the craze for wealth among young people. You may keep defending all you want. I have just said what I believe is the gospel truth.

Again, what Ibiyeomie said about voting individuals instead of parties does not hold any water. Where will the individuals that should be voted come from? The same society that is a moral mess abi? Voting party or individual isn't the issue. The issue should be how we can progressively and incrementally raise and nurture morally upright individuals in our society. How we can deemphasize materialism, and start recognizing and celebrating high moral standards.

The home, the community, worship places and educational institutions are the most veritable platforms to achieving a better Nigeria.

O gwu ka oham nonu.