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ChebeNdigboCalm:
The reply by bigfrancis21 is enough to counter but this is such a bad argument. They all are part of Aboh yet when they finally arrive at their capital they see a culture that doesn’t represent them at all but does represent the English explorers description (so no one sees it as an insult) of Izon.

Thank you. The River Olaudah mentioned ferrying across (shortly before getting to the sea) is hardly the river Niger. Before he arrived at that River he first reached Tinmah, a town in Bonny Island before getting to the River days or weeks later. Tinima and Finima (more popular) are sister towns located on Bonny Island. The distance between Bonny and Aboh is a great distance by several months on foot, for Olaudah to make a retrogressive trip back to Aboh from Bonny just to cross the River Niger.

IgbuduMonkey: is there any village or ogbe in Aboh or Ndokwa land named 'Tinmah' (which sounds very Ijawish already) which Olaudah may have first crossed before getting to the supposed river Niger that you so believe?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGvha_UTC8&ab_channel=TripswithElohor

IgbuduMonkey:
Aboh people do not consider themselves as Igbos. They never have. But that is not the debate now. The debate is where the early literature referred to as Eboe

The fact that Lander called them Eboe, the old word for Igbo is enough to show you that Abo people called themselves Eboe which is Igbo. You are simply too sentimental. It is clear what’s most likely. Even the slave records, record Eboe people. Unless you mean to say only Abo people were sold.

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ChebeNdigboCalm:
The fact that Lander called them Eboe, the old word for Igbo is enough to show you that Abo people called themselves Eboe which is Igbo. You are simply too sentimental. It is clear what’s most likely. Even the slave records, record Eboe people. Unless you mean to say only Abo people were sold.

ChebeNdigboCalm:
The fact that Lander called them Eboe, the old word for Igbo is enough to show you that Abo people called themselves Eboe which is Igbo. You are simply too sentimental. It is clear what’s most likely. Even the slave records, record Eboe people. Unless you mean to say only Abo people were sold.

IgbuduMonkey:
That part of Africa, known by the name of Guinea, to which the trade for slaves is carried on, extends along the coast above 3400 miles, from the Senegal to Angola, and includes a variety of kingdoms. Of these the most considerable is the kingdom of Benen, both as to extent and wealth, the richness and cultivation of the soil, the power of its king, and the number and warlike disposition of the inhabitants. It is situated nearly under the line, and extends along the coast about 170 miles, but runs back into the interior part of Africa to a distance hitherto I believe unexplored by any traveller; and seems only terminated at length by the empire of Abyssinia, near 1500 miles from its beginning. This kingdom is divided into many provinces or districts: in one of the most remote and fertile of which, called Eboe, I was born, in the year 1745, in a charming fruitful vale, named Essaka. The distance of this province from the capital of Benin and the sea coast must be very considerable; for I had never heard of white men or Europeans, nor of the sea: and our subjection to the king of Benin was little more than nominal

ChebeNdigboCalm:
The fact that Lander called them Eboe, the old word for Igbo is enough to show you that Abo people called themselves Eboe which is Igbo. You are simply too sentimental. It is clear what’s most likely. Even the slave records, record Eboe people. Unless you mean to say only Abo people were sold.

IgbuduMonkey:
That part of Africa, known by the name of Guinea, to which the trade for slaves is carried on, extends along the coast above 3400 miles, from the Senegal to Angola, and includes a variety of kingdoms. Of these the most considerable is the kingdom of Benen, both as to extent and wealth, the richness and cultivation of the soil, the power of its king, and the number and warlike disposition of the inhabitants. It is situated nearly under the line, and extends along the coast about 170 miles, but runs back into the interior part of Africa to a distance hitherto I believe unexplored by any traveller; and seems only terminated at length by the empire of Abyssinia, near 1500 miles from its beginning. This kingdom is divided into many provinces or districts: in one of the most remote and fertile of which, called Eboe, I was born, in the year 1745, in a charming fruitful vale, named Essaka. The distance of this province from the capital of Benin and the sea coast must be very considerable; for I had never heard of white men or Europeans, nor of the sea: and our subjection to the king of Benin was little more than nominal

Y'all got to know that Igbos are one, there was never Nigeria when the Igbos and other tribes were here, the man has stated in his book being more specific that's he's from Igbo, he didn't say Benin.

Amaechs:
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Y'all got to know that Igbos are one, there was never Nigeria when the Igbos and other tribes were here, the man has stated in his book being more specific that's he's from Igbo, he didn't say Benin.

. Yes he is from Igbo and Igbo was under the great Benin kingdom them then Igbo was always dependent to Benin this is the Igbo tru history the rest are fabricated.

Jameseddi1:
. Yes he is from Igbo and Igbo was under the great Benin kingdom them then Igbo was always dependent to Benin this is the Igbo tru history the rest are fabricated.

He claimed that their allegiance to Benin was only nominal. So can you explain how that translates to “dependent”? As nominal means IN NAME ONLY. In other words “their small part of Igboland was independent but linked to Benin”. It certainly doesn’t translate to “the whole of Igboland is dependent on Benin”.

You say “this is the Igbo tru history the rest are fabricated”, but you really mean “I am not planning to be objective when studying history, I only highlight the parts I want to hear”. So many sentimentalists coming to masquerade as historians on this platform.

ChebeNdigboCalm:
The fact that Lander called them Eboe, the old word for Igbo is enough to show you that Abo people called themselves Eboe which is Igbo. You are simply too sentimental. It is clear what’s most likely. Even the slave records, record Eboe people. Unless you mean to say only Abo people were sold.

Eboe is not the old word for Igbo. Eboe is the name of a town and Kingdom which exist to this day. Called Aboh by its natives and Eboe by neighbours, it was a entrepot for slaves and goods due to its strategic position along the Niger. What this means is that slaves were moved to Aboh and sold there, from where they were resold to the whitemen at the coast. It is the reason why Crow recorded a large Eboe population at Bonny.
The Eboes/Abohs did not sell their natives as slaves. Most of the slaves sold were Igbos, most likely from the hinterland. But these slaves were called Eboe slaves because they were sold by the Eboes/Abohs just as cars imported through Lagos are called Lagos cars.
Aboh was a naval force on the Niger and had hundreds of gun boats patrolling the river. They also raided Igbo villages for slaves and had slaves sold to them by Igbos. It is from this the word Igbo arose which the Abohs refer to as slaves. The Eboes/Abohs were feared so much at that time by their neighbours as was recorded by explorers. Infact, thecLanders was captured at Asaba(called Kirree) and sent to Aboh where the Obi ransomed him. Few years later, the Abohs were said to be at war with the Kirree who killed a son of the Obi. The Abohs raided Asaba, captured 20 men, cut off their head and displayed them in the Aboh market
There are also recorded document of the Abohs raiding Omoku(or a village near there) and taking the head of their ruler
Overwhelming contemporary and literature evidences of these facts abound. You people have no idea what Aboh/Eboe is.

bigfrancis21:
Thank you. The River Olaudah mentioned ferrying across (shortly before getting to the sea) is hardly the river Niger. Before he arrived at that River he first reached Tinmah, a town in Bonny Island before getting to the River days or weeks later. Tinima and Finima (more popular) are sister towns located on Bonny Island. The distance between Bonny and Aboh is a great distance by several months on foot, for Olaudah to make a retrogressive trip back to Aboh from Bonny just to cross the River Niger.

IgbuduMonkey: is there any village or ogbe in Aboh or Ndokwa land named 'Tinmah' (which sounds very Ijawish already) which Olaudah may have first crossed before getting to the supposed river Niger that you so believe?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGvha_UTC8&ab_channel=TripswithElohor

Like I have said, it is impossible to know how Olaudah got to the coast since he alluded to going through many places he didn't bore the reader with. What we know is that he was from a town, Essaka under Eboe/Aboh, a nominal province of Benen.

IgbuduMonkey:
Eboe is not the old word for Igbo. Eboe is the name of a town and Kingdom which exist to this day. Called Aboh by its natives and Eboe by neighbours, it was a entrepot for slaves and goods due to its strategic position along the Niger. What this means is that slaves were moved to Aboh and sold there, from where they were resold to the whitemen at the coast. It is the reason why Crow recorded a large Eboe population at Bonny.
The Eboes/Abohs did not sell their natives as slaves. Most of the slaves sold were Igbos, most likely from the hinterland. But these slaves were called Eboe slaves because they were sold by the Eboes/Abohs just as cars imported through Lagos are called Lagos cars.
Aboh was a naval force on the Niger and had hundreds of gun boats patrolling the river. They also raided Igbo villages for slaves and had slaves sold to them by Igbos. It is from this the word Igbo arose which the Abohs refer to as slaves. The Eboes/Abohs were feared so much at that time by their neighbours as was recorded by explorers. Infact, thecLanders was captured at Asaba(called Kirree) and sent to Aboh where the Obi ransomed him. Few years later, the Abohs were said to be at war with the Kirree who killed a son of the Obi. The Abohs raided Asaba, captured 20 men, cut off their head and displayed them in the Aboh market
There are also recorded document of the Abohs raiding Omoku(or a village near there) and taking the head of their ruler
Overwhelming contemporary and literature evidences of these facts abound. You people have no idea what Aboh/Eboe is.

Lol!
I can't believe I was taking you serious.

IgbuduMonkey:
Like I have said, it is impossible to know how Olaudah got to the coast since he alluded to going through many places he didn't bore the reader with. What we know is that he was from a town, Essaka under Eboe/Aboh, a nominal province of Benen.

You know nothing.

IgbuduMonkey:
Eboe is not the old word for Igbo. Eboe is the name of a town and Kingdom which exist to this day. Called Aboh by its natives and Eboe by neighbours, it was a entrepot for slaves and goods due to its strategic position along the Niger. What this means is that slaves were moved to Aboh and sold there, from where they were resold to the whitemen at the coast. It is the reason why Crow recorded a large Eboe population at Bonny.
The Eboes/Abohs did not sell their natives as slaves. Most of the slaves sold were Igbos, most likely from the hinterland. But these slaves were called Eboe slaves because they were sold by the Eboes/Abohs just as cars imported through Lagos are called Lagos cars.
Aboh was a naval force on the Niger and had hundreds of gun boats patrolling the river. They also raided Igbo villages for slaves and had slaves sold to them by Igbos. It is from this the word Igbo arose which the Abohs refer to as slaves. The Eboes/Abohs were feared so much at that time by their neighbours as was recorded by explorers. Infact, thecLanders was captured at Asaba(called Kirree) and sent to Aboh where the Obi ransomed him. Few years later, the Abohs were said to be at war with the Kirree who killed a son of the Obi. The Abohs raided Asaba, captured 20 men, cut off their head and displayed them in the Aboh market
There are also recorded document of the Abohs raiding Omoku(or a village near there) and taking the head of their ruler
Overwhelming contemporary and literature evidences of these facts abound. You people have no idea what Aboh/Eboe is.

Nice try, but why aren’t the slaves sold reported to be Calabar slaves instead of Eboe, if your theory is correct. I am sorry but that theory is simply proof of your bias. You are telling me that I am the one with a ploy yet you are doing ALL the dancing. It is obvious that Lander made a MISTAKE. And you are using a MISTAKE as your evidence.

And of course you have to be writing the whole Eboe/Aboh because you recognise the mind gymnastics you are doing. You just told me Aboh was called Eboe by Iris neighbours. Well done you have just proven that Aboh is Igbo. As I said each Igbo district was called Igbo by other Igbo people. You are simply exploiting the fact that “Eboe” is written differently whilst it sounds the same. They call themselves their native name whilst calling other Igbo people, Igbo. Such is the way of life back then. As in Olaudah’s book, he did the exact same.

Do you mean to tell me that Lander’s book is more important than Baikie’s etc when they:
1. Explored a very similar times.
2. One had better knowledge on Igbo people and even used his predecessor’s knowledge to help.
3. Whilst Lander did not give credence to the theory that Abo is not Igbo, Baikie gave credence to Lander’s findings and also confirmed that Abo is Igbo.
4. Baikie clearly visited territories that were not Abo but were Igbo. Lander seemed to only stick to Abo territories in Igboland.
5. Baikie clearly asked the natives about what they know about the Igbo people as to talk about places he did not visit.

Igbudu, I don’t know if you are from Aboh. If you are I want to understand this. Why do you go to such lengths to create a seperate Identity for Equiano when it is obvious that in Equiano’s books he discussed things prevalent in Igbo culture? You know Abo is a dialect of Igbo and has Igbo culture so for what reason Aboh is less Igbo than other parts of Igboland?

If you aren’t from Abo, I think you should seriously consider your motives in trying to cut off a clearly Igbo people simply because they had their own district just like other parts of Igboland. I can apply similar argument with Arochukwu, Onitsha, Ezza etc

IgbuduMonkey:
Like I have said, it is impossible to know how Olaudah got to the coast since he alluded to going through many places he didn't bore the reader with. What we know is that he was from a town, Essaka under Eboe/Aboh, a nominal province of Benen.

Take out ‘Aboh’ from the above. The author never mentioned that in his memoir. The rest is correct.

ChebeNdigboCalm:
Nice try, but why aren’t the slaves sold reported to be Calabar slaves instead of Eboe, if your theory is correct. I am sorry but that theory is simply proof of your bias. You are telling me that I am the one with a ploy yet you are doing ALL the dancing. It is obvious that Lander made a MISTAKE. And you are using a MISTAKE as your evidence.

And of course you have to be writing the whole Eboe/Aboh because you recognise the mind gymnastics you are doing. You just told me Aboh was called Eboe by Iris neighbours. Well done you have just proven that Aboh is Igbo. As I said each Igbo district was called Igbo by other Igbo people. You are simply exploiting the fact that “Eboe” is written differently whilst it sounds the same. They call themselves their native name whilst calling other Igbo people, Igbo. Such is the way of life back then. As in Olaudah’s book, he did the exact same.

Do you mean to tell me that Lander’s book is more important than Baikie’s etc when they:
1. Explored a very similar times.
2. One had better knowledge on Igbo people and even used his predecessor’s knowledge to help.
3. Whilst Lander did not give credence to the theory that Abo is not Igbo, Baikie gave credence to Lander’s findings and also confirmed that Abo is Igbo.
4. Baikie clearly visited territories that were not Abo but were Igbo. Lander seemed to only stick to Abo territories in Igboland.
5. Baikie clearly asked the natives about what they know about the Igbo people as to talk about places he did not visit.

Igbudu, I don’t know if you are from Aboh. If you are I want to understand this. Why do you go to such lengths to create a seperate Identity for Equiano when it is obvious that in Equiano’s books he discussed things prevalent in Igbo culture? You know Abo is a dialect of Igbo and has Igbo culture so for what reason Aboh is less Igbo than other parts of Igboland?

If you aren’t from Abo, I think you should seriously consider your motives in trying to cut off a clearly Igbo people simply because they had their own district just like other parts of Igboland. I can apply similar argument with Arochukwu, Onitsha, Ezza etc

The only evidence that he holds on to is a mistake Lander made which was corrected. The whole theory about Aboh suddenly being a major slave stop is laughable and unheard of.

bigfrancis21:
Take out ‘Aboh’ from the above. The author never mentioned that in his memoir. The rest is correct.

do you know about the Orogun people of Delta state? Do you know that they migrated from Aboh to their present location? Are you aware they speak the Aboh dialect in addition to Urhobo?(they usually speak Aboh when communicating with themselves but speak urhobo when communicating with other Urhobos). Do you know they call the language they speak Èbo and they are called Èbo-Orogun(the part of Orogun that speak Aboh).

The reason for this is as follows:

The Oroguns migrated from Aboh(a historical fact confirmed by both Aboh and Orogun history) and moved to the Urhobo hinterland. Here, they pronounce Aboh as Èbo

What this shows is that the Abohs were called Ëbos by their neighbours from long before Lander. Lander used the name supplied by the Aboh neighbours from before he got to Aboh. It is interesting Lander didn't call the Kirrees(Asabas) Eboe or indeed any other Igbo speaking people along the Niger.

ChebeNdigboCalm:
Nice try, but why aren’t the slaves sold reported to be Calabar slaves instead of Eboe, if your theory is correct. I am sorry but that theory is simply proof of your bias. You are telling me that I am the one with a ploy yet you are doing ALL the dancing. It is obvious that Lander made a MISTAKE. And you are using a MISTAKE as your evidence.

And of course you have to be writing the whole Eboe/Aboh because you recognise the mind gymnastics you are doing. You just told me Aboh was called Eboe by Iris neighbours. Well done you have just proven that Aboh is Igbo. As I said each Igbo district was called Igbo by other Igbo people. You are simply exploiting the fact that “Eboe” is written differently whilst it sounds the same. They call themselves their native name whilst calling other Igbo people, Igbo. Such is the way of life back then. As in Olaudah’s book, he did the exact same.

Do you mean to tell me that Lander’s book is more important than Baikie’s etc when they:
1. Explored a very similar times.
2. One had better knowledge on Igbo people and even used his predecessor’s knowledge to help.
3. Whilst Lander did not give credence to the theory that Abo is not Igbo, Baikie gave credence to Lander’s findings and also confirmed that Abo is Igbo.
4. Baikie clearly visited territories that were not Abo but were Igbo. Lander seemed to only stick to Abo territories in Igboland.
5. Baikie clearly asked the natives about what they know about the Igbo people as to talk about places he did not visit.

Igbudu, I don’t know if you are from Aboh. If you are I want to understand this. Why do you go to such lengths to create a seperate Identity for Equiano when it is obvious that in Equiano’s books he discussed things prevalent in Igbo culture? You know Abo is a dialect of Igbo and has Igbo culture so for what reason Aboh is less Igbo than other parts of Igboland?

If you aren’t from Abo, I think you should seriously consider your motives in trying to cut off a clearly Igbo people simply because they had their own district just like other parts of Igboland. I can apply similar argument with Arochukwu, Onitsha, Ezza etc

Let us spare the debate on whether Aboh is Igbo for later. Let's focus on whether what early writers called Eboe translates to Igbo. I will gladly oblige you on the former argument afterwards

IgbuduMonkey:
Let us spare the debate on whether Aboh is Igbo for later. Let's focus on whether what early writers called Eboe translates to Igbo. I will gladly oblige you on the former argument afterwards

Nah the two arguments are interlinked, it’s impossible to seperate them. For example. Eboe can be used to refer to Aboh whilst also referring to Igbo. With Igbo being the more correct translation. You want to separate the two points because when considered holistically your point cannot stand. But isolating them makes your point easier to swallow. But the point still wouldn’t stand.

If Aboh is Igbo (true) then Eboe referring to Aboh still makes sense.

If Aboh is supposedly not Igbo (false) then Eboe can be considered a stand alone term. Or so you think. All it would imply is Lander mistook Aboh as an Igbo settlement.

In reality Igbo when pronounced is Eboe just with the native gb being pronounced better.

IgbuduMonkey:
do you know about the Orogun people of Delta state? Do you know that they migrated from Aboh to their present location? Are you aware they speak the Aboh dialect in addition to Urhobo?(they usually speak Aboh when communicating with themselves but speak urhobo when communicating with other Urhobos). Do you know they call the language they speak Èbo and they are called Èbo-Orogun(the part of Orogun that speak Aboh).

The reason for this is as follows:

The Oroguns migrated from Aboh(a historical fact confirmed by both Aboh and Orogun history) and moved to the Urhobo hinterland. Here, they pronounce Aboh as Èbo

What this shows is that the Abohs were called Ëbos by their neighbours from long before Lander. Lander used the name supplied by the Aboh neighbours from before he got to Aboh. It is interesting Lander didn't call the Kirrees(Asabas) Eboe or indeed any other Igbo speaking people along the Niger.

I want you to imagine you weren’t yourself and read back that comment. Because I am outstanded by the bias shown here. People who migrated from Igboland and call their language what can only be described as Igbo and is listed as a dialect of Igbo, called it igbo. Yes that is clearly in opposition to our claims! Well done.

Also genuinely I want you to reference when Lander came to Asaba and how you knew it was Asaba. I may have missed it when reading.

IgbuduMonkey:
do you know about the Orogun people of Delta state? Do you know that they migrated from Aboh to their present location? Are you aware they speak the Aboh dialect in addition to Urhobo?(they usually speak Aboh when communicating with themselves but speak urhobo when communicating with other Urhobos). Do you know they call the language they speak Èbo and they are called Èbo-Orogun(the part of Orogun that speak Aboh).

The reason for this is as follows:

The Oroguns migrated from Aboh(a historical fact confirmed by both Aboh and Orogun history) and moved to the Urhobo hinterland. Here, they pronounce Aboh as Èbo

What this shows is that the Abohs were called Ëbos by their neighbours from long before Lander. Lander used the name supplied by the Aboh neighbours from before he got to Aboh. It is interesting Lander didn't call the Kirrees(Asabas) Eboe or indeed any other Igbo speaking people along the Niger.

I’m aware of the Orogun people who are bilingual.

Second, I think you’re confusing the Ebo alternative pronunciation of Abo with Eboe. Several Igbo dialects switch between A and E (aka/eka, afe/efe, etc.). Abo or Ebo are pronounced differently from Eboe. The E in Ebo is the ‘eh’ sound. The E in Eboe is the ‘I’ sound as in Indigo. Orogun people would call themselves ‘Ebo’ as in ‘Ehbaw’. ‘Eboe’ is totally different. Asides the mistake that Lander made, can you come up with another verifiable evidence that Aboh was alternatively called Eboe (not Ehbaw) in the past?

ChebeNdigboCalm:
I want you to imagine you weren’t yourself and read back that comment. Because I am outstanded by the bias shown here. People who migrated from Igboland and call their language what can only be described as Igbo and is listed as a dialect of Igbo, called it igbo. Yes that is clearly in opposition to our claims! Well done.

Also genuinely I want you to reference when Lander came to Asaba and how you knew it was Asaba. I may have missed it when reading.

Kirree Market of Lander is at Asaba according to Baikie

IgbuduMonkey:
Kirree Market of Lander is at Asaba according to Baikie

That isn’t what I asked. I asked for the reference from LANDER not Baikie.

Edit: I see actually why what you wrote was relevant but without the proper reference from Lander about Kiree and without the exact quotation it’s useless.

ChebeNdigboCalm:
That isn’t what I asked. I asked for the reference from LANDER not Baikie.

Edit: I see actually why what you wrote was relevant but without the proper reference from Lander about Kiree and without the exact quotation it’s useless.

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bigfrancis21:
I’m aware of the Orogun people who are bilingual.

Second, I think you’re confusing the Ebo alternative pronunciation of Abo with Eboe. Several Igbo dialects switch between A and E (aka/eka, afe/efe, etc.). Abo or Ebo are pronounced differently from Eboe. The E in Ebo is the ‘eh’ sound. The E in Eboe is the ‘I’ sound as in Indigo. Orogun people would call themselves ‘Ebo’ as in ‘Ehbaw’. ‘Eboe’ is totally different. Asides the mistake that Lander made, can you come up with another verifiable evidence that Aboh was alternatively called Eboe (not Ehbaw) in the past?

Eboe can only sound like Ibo/Igbo if it is spelt as Eeboe. You keep making things up to support your false assertions. Again, later documents used Eboe to refer to Aboh and Igbo to refer to your place.

Also, of we must agree with you that Eboe is pronounced as Igbo or Ibo there are the following possibilities:
1. The word Igbo was coined from the word Eboe, the name of a town now known as Aboh
2. The name of the town Aboh is actually Eboe, pronounced as I'gbo
3. Lander did not know the name of the town he spent a couple of nights in as a captive but was able to recall the name of the king's daughter

It's all crazy

ChebeNdigboCalm:
That isn’t what I asked. I asked for the reference from LANDER not Baikie.

Edit: I see actually why what you wrote was relevant but without the proper reference from Lander about Kiree and without the exact quotation it’s useless.

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IgbuduMonkey:
Eboe can only sound like Ibo/Igbo if it is spelt as Eeboe. You keep making things up to support your false assertions. Again, later documents used Eboe to refer to Aboh and Igbo to refer to your place.

Also, of we must agree with you that Eboe is pronounced as Igbo or Ibo there are the following possibilities:
1. The word Igbo was coined from the word Eboe, the name of a town now known as Aboh
2. The name of the town Aboh is actually Eboe, pronounced as I'gbo
3. Lander did not know the name of the town he spent a couple of nights in as a captive but was able to recall the name of the king's daughter

It's all crazy

You seem to be running around the bush and not answering questions posed to you. Do you agree that Eboh/Aboh and Eboe are two different pronunciations?

For sure Olaudah did know the difference between e as in indigo and eh as in Egg. He spelt Bini as Benen. Once again, according to his orthography, the I sound in Bini or indigo he spelt with ‘e’. In the same vein, the E in Eboe is the I sound, thus he was referring to Igbo and not Aboh. The difference between Eboe and Ahbaw is clear.

Besides the Lander brothers’ mistake reference, you’ve been unable to quote another verifiable resource that supports your hypothesis. It has been established for a long time in the field of academia that Eboe was the ancient spelling of Igbo. If you disagree with this then it is up to you to come up with verifiable proof disputing it. Citing an article which was a mistake and corrected by subsequent authors is definitely unacceptable.

Eboe coming from Aboh is highly unlikely because the lander brothers visited Aboh around the 1830s but Igbo slaves had been sold to the Americas starting from between the I650 and I720, far before the Lander brothers visited.

IgbuduMonkey: more free resources at your disposal:

The plan was to proceed overland from Badagry (Nigeria) in a northeasterly direction—essentially following Clapperton’s route—reaching the Niger at Bussa, where Mungo Park had drowned twenty-four years before, and then descend the river in canoes to the Gulf of Guinea. They explored upriver from Bussa for about one hundred miles before commencing the float down on 2 August 1830. They were attacked and plundered at a place called Kirree and taken prisoners at Eboe by King Obie, who demanded ransom. Put in the custody of a native trader named King Boy, they reached the Brass River, a southward-flowing branch of the Niger, and followed the stream through the forest-clad delta to the Nun River, another branch, near the Bight of Biafra. There they encountered the British brig Thomas and secured their freedom. Via Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, the brothers arrived back in England in June 1831 and announced that the mystery of the Niger River finally had been solved. For his leadership of the successful mission, Richard Lander received the first cash prize of the Royal Geographical Society at the same meeting where its merger with the African Association [see AFRICAN ASSOCIATION] was announced. Returning to West Africa to investigate commercial opportunities for a Liverpool merchant group, Richard was killed by tribesman along the Niger River on 6 February 1834. John died several years later from a disease he had contracted in Africa.

https://library.princeton.edu/visual_materials/maps/websites/africa/lander/lander.html

1830 was the year the Lander brothers visited Aboh. However, below are slave runaway and sale adverts on Ibo slaves dating to 1766, 1772, 1781 and 1793. Ibo was in use in the Americas way before 1830.

IgbuduMonkey:
Eboe is not the old word for Igbo. Eboe is the name of a town and Kingdom which exist to this day. Called Aboh by its natives and Eboe by neighbours, it was a entrepot for slaves and goods due to its strategic position along the Niger. What this means is that slaves were moved to Aboh and sold there, from where they were resold to the whitemen at the coast. It is the reason why Crow recorded a large Eboe population at Bonny.
The Eboes/Abohs did not sell their natives as slaves. Most of the slaves sold were Igbos, most likely from the hinterland. But these slaves were called Eboe slaves because they were sold by the Eboes/Abohs just as cars imported through Lagos are called Lagos cars.
Aboh was a naval force on the Niger and had hundreds of gun boats patrolling the river. They also raided Igbo villages for slaves and had slaves sold to them by Igbos. It is from this the word Igbo arose which the Abohs refer to as slaves. The Eboes/Abohs were feared so much at that time by their neighbours as was recorded by explorers. Infact, thecLanders was captured at Asaba(called Kirree) and sent to Aboh where the Obi ransomed him. Few years later, the Abohs were said to be at war with the Kirree who killed a son of the Obi. The Abohs raided Asaba, captured 20 men, cut off their head and displayed them in the Aboh market
There are also recorded document of the Abohs raiding Omoku(or a village near there) and taking the head of their ruler
Overwhelming contemporary and literature evidences of these facts abound. You people have no idea what Aboh/Eboe is.

Big blunder.
In Captain Adams book 1823. He refers to those same majorly exported people as the Heebo people. Now are the Heebo also Eboe because if they then it reconfirms what I think is obvious. The pronunciation of Eboe which by mental gymnastics you redefined as not starting with a similar sound to Igbo (ee) but rather Eh. He doesn’t refer to these really important separate Abo people which I think would be really important. He says he doesn’t know of a territory directly north of Heebo which would naturally be Asaba or “Kirree”(If Heebo meant Aboh). He says it is bounded west by Benin and east is the Ibibio. And just as you said earlier they look similar to Benin people.

Better yet he refers to what he calls Breeche of the Heebo. The same mark referred to by Equiano.
Better yet there is a map made by him.

Brother it is checkmate. Just drop your pride.

bigfrancis21:
Besides the Lander brothers’ mistake reference, you’ve been unable to quote another verifiable resource that supports your hypothesis. It has been established for a long time in the field of academia that Eboe was the ancient spelling of Igbo. If you disagree with this then it is up to you to come up with verifiable proof disputing it. Citing an article which was a mistake and corrected by subsequent authors is definitely unacceptable.

Eboe coming from Aboh is highly unlikely because the lander brothers visited Aboh around the 1830s but Igbo slaves had been sold to the Americas starting from between the I650 and I720, far before the Lander brothers visited.

I don't believe the word Igbo sprang from Eboe/Aboh, I only drew up implications of your wrong hypothesis. However the article below punctures your first paragraph

IgbuduMonkey:
I don't believe the word Igbo sprang from Eboe/Aboh, I only drew up implications of your wrong hypothesis. However the article below punctures your first paragraph

So you give us an article of an unknown source and you think it is a good support? I might as well reference NL comments. Not to mention the fact that the source uses Benin revisionist write-ups as their reference. My opinion is just as good as what I just read. I don’t see why it’s any better.

If anything it proves that Aboh is Igbo as, Igbo people whilst calling the next Igbo clan Igbo, do not call Ibibio, Bini, Igala etc “Igbo” simply because they are outsiders.

ChebeNdigboCalm:
So you give us an article of an unknown source and you think it is a good support? I might as well reference NL comments. Not to mention the fact that the source uses Benin revisionist write-ups as their reference. My opinion is just as good as what I just read. I don’t see why it’s any better.

If anything it proves that Aboh is Igbo as, Igbo people whilst calling the next Igbo clan Igbo, do not call Ibibio, Bini, Igala etc “Igbo” simply because they are outsiders.

you are so anxious to have the Aboh is Igbo, Aboh is not Igbo debate. Chillax sir, we will get there soon

IgbuduMonkey:
you are so anxious to have the Aboh is Igbo, Aboh is not Igbo debate. Chillax sir, we will get there soon

I explained already why they are inseparable. You cannot have the “Eboe is Aboh” debate without having the “Aboh is Igbo” understanding. I won’t even call it a debate. It’s laughable.

It’s like saying yarriba is Ijebu. However Ijebu is not a yoruba.
Both make no sense.

And you are saying “we will get there soon”, acknowledge that there is nothing more to offer. You guys discussion won’t move forward. There isn’t enough evidence to prove which village Olaudah came from however YOUR argument was “Igbo falsely claimed Olaudah Equiano”. Which is why mine is way more relevant than yours. Even if he was from Aboh. He still claimed Igbo and not the other way around.

Oh you know Calabar never used juju. They used Jew Jew. It was a way of calling Jews to help them. The slave traders had a lot of Jewish heritage, because of this the Jewish people were associated with power.

Hence Calabar started calling on Jews.

IgbuduMonkey:
I don't believe the word Igbo sprang from Eboe/Aboh, I only drew up implications of your wrong hypothesis. However the article below punctures your first paragraph

This is the verifiable credible resource that you came up with after 2 long days of loud silence?

I never suggested Aboh or Eboe were the same. That was your hypothesis. You claimed that Eboe came from Aboh and I punctured your argument by showing you real verifiable proof of Eboe being used in the I700s decades before the Lander brothers visited and discovered Aboh in I830. In case you’ve forgotten I’ve posted your own post where you suggested that Eboe and Aboh were the same.

You’ve contradicted yourself severally on this forum. First you tried to claim that Olaudah was from Aboh and therefore he was not Igbo, the very premises of opening your thread. Next you revised your claim to Aboh not having participated in the slave trade but was a major slave port where slaves from the Igbo land first docked at before being sold off (despite providing no real proof whatsoever of this claim). Going by your latest claim revision, if Aboh was not an active slave participant and Olaudah was captured from Igboland and was supposedly docked at Aboh before being sold, did you not nullify your very first argument ~ the initial reason for opening your thread? In other words, you admitted that Olaudah was an Igbo slave brought from the Igbo area who supposedly docked at Aboh before being sold (your theory, no solid proof of this)?

IgbuduMonkey:
Eboe can only sound like Ibo/Igbo if it is spelt as Eeboe. You keep making things up to support your false assertions. Again, later documents used Eboe to refer to Aboh and Igbo to refer to your place.

Also, of we must agree with you that Eboe is pronounced as Igbo or Ibo there are the following possibilities:
1. The word Igbo was coined from the word Eboe, the name of a town now known as Aboh
2. The name of the town Aboh is actually Eboe, pronounced as I'gbo
3. Lander did not know the name of the town he spent a couple of nights in as a captive but was able to recall the name of the king's daughter

It's all crazy