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Atheist:-D:
We are not Egyptian.

nnenna.1:
This is also parallel with the general "3rd world" vs "1st world" mentality.

I have had Chinese friends confide to me that Chinese citizens in China are treated horribly in relation to foreign (white) visitors. Same thing.

The propaganda that uplifts the "top dogs" and downgrades the "underdogs" is VERY strong stuff.

sauer: When the christian bible said, money is the root of all evil, I bet it was talking to Nigerians

igbo2011: That's a very good ideology. The 1st world vs 3rd world countries. I wonder how the black americans would be treated in China. Therevis a global system of white supremacy through the media, religion and history that makes everyone think that europeans are supreme. Europeans dida. Great job braonwawhing people.

@cap28
Did you watch the movie hhidden colors yet? I actually watched it and I learned a lot. That was the video u posted.

AjanleKoko: I don't think it is brainwashing. Caucasians actually believe they are superior. T[b]echnically they are, since they are more organized, and well, they did colonise us and use us like beasts of burden. They also made much better use of nature's resources, and did a very good number on early Africans. If you were keeping score since the beginning of time, yes, they are leading the game of life. It's not hype, they are truly in charge.[/b]

In fact I think the propaganda isn't targeted at us. Most likely it is targeted at their own people, in case people started getting soft and believing that blacks were humans rather than bush animals.

Oyinbos learned very quickly over time, and figured out their priorities very quickly.
Let's think about this, truthfully, if you were you, as you are today, with your mindset and all, would you come exploring in Africa in the 1600s? Prolly not.
Yeah, the early African Egyptians, Pharaohs and all, they were the ish. But obviously they didn't see the bigger picture. How come the white guys were able to erase their legacy almost totally, and even steal all their inventions?

The Romans, after years of being kicked in the azz by Hannibal, finally figured out how to end him, and all of his Carthaginian glory.
The Zulus also kicked the ass of the Brits one time. But what eventually happened?

A good way to think about Africans, even the the Great Early Africans, is to remember the Super Eagles of the 90s. They beat Spain in one World Cup, only to get bashed by Denmark in the second round. That to me represents the story of Africa more than anything else.

I'm not saying history is not good. Yeah it is. But for me, conspiracy theories are more than theories. Make no mistake, the rest of the world would exterminate black people - if they could. It ain't no conspiracy. It is real. We had better get up off the floor and start getting our shyt together. Else, not only oyinbos, even Asians will come and enslave us again. What with the world's dwindling resources, and Africa's yet to be tapped wealth?

We really need to figure this thing out, and quickly too.

igbo2011: You act as if Europeans have always been running things. The Egyptians civilized the Greeks. Europeans were in caves before the African civilized them. Then after the Greeks and Romans barbarians fell off the they were in the dark ages from around 300-400 AD to 800 AD. The Moors (wheo were African) civilized the Europeans in the dark ages and made them who they are today. Africans actually taught the Europeans how to go across thee Atlantic ocean. Africans throughout histry were to nice and still are too nice. Euroepans were EVIL and still are. Look what they are doing irght NOW in the Congo and what they did in the past.

If you look at the history of Europe the Europeans were killing each other all day. hat is why there are under 50 European languages but in Africa there are thousands of African languages. We weren't conquering each other all day. YES there were some battles but not like Europe. Mass genocides are only in modern history not ancient history.

Africans thrughoout history were to nice.

You are indoctrinated like your masters like you to be. You are an Afropean (African with European mind)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRunD1kBF80&feature=plcp

AjanleKoko: It's really laughable, how you 'Afrocentric' guys always end with that punchline.
But most of you guys live in Europe or the US. So, who's more 'indoctrinated', you or me? I have always lived in my country, and will continue to do so.
But it's okay. To each his own. It's kind of amusing how, for you guys, it always boils down to the other's 'ignorance', and how 'indoctrinated' other people are. Whatever.

For me, I am more concerned with how we down here can take control of our destinies, not with the past. Just talking about the past and complaining hasn't really changed anything, has it? We are still not in control of our destinies and resources as Africans, and could easily be exterminated as a weaker race in the future. Aren't you concerned about that at all?

pleep: The only thing that can uplift our race is [by] simply favoring our race over others, and adopting a natural distrust of people who do not look like us. Such...is supposed to be inherent to human beings, but is strangely lacking among sub-saharen Africans. I do not know why this is, but it has been the cause of most of our most serious problems historically, and in the present day.

Erelu_Y: You've got me thinking seriously here! Just some initial thoughts. On 'favouring one race over others'. Arguably, this tantamount to favouritism, culminating in discrimination - which, clearly, is one of the characteristic features of racism. On not knowing why this attitude 'is strangely lacking among sub-saharen Africans'. It is indisputably factual that the Europeans, using religion, succeeded in manipulating the thought processes of sub-Sahara Africans (call it indoctrination, if you like). Sadly, religion has so much grip, even if pretentiously, on Nigerians. Like someone mentioned on a thread on NL, when you meet a Nigerian (especially here in the UK, possibly elsewhere too), one of the first questions you are asked is 'which church do you attend?'. The last time a fella asked me that question, I answered "Church? Filled with all those rapists and child molesters called priests? Church? Filled with con-artists who prey on gullible people to take advantage of others in various ways, enriching themselves and globetrotting in jets? You know what? I am old enough and sufficiently educated to know that religion is the greatest scam of all time." OH IT'S SUNDAY MORNING. THANK GOSH NO WORK TODAY AND OF COURSE NO CHURCH. lol.

igbo2011: Most Africans think that blacks are INFERIOR they have become Afropeans. The only reason the Europeans conquered Africa was because they had GUNS from China. Shaka Zulu was whooping the Europeans! Ethiopia said F U ITALY!!! We have to embrace the past to say we are NOT inferior. IT is all about the MINDSET!!

The only reason they run should is because they spend all their money on guns and weapons for imperialism. America spends almost half a TRILLION!! on their military.

AjanleKoko: I think you have your history mixed up, bro.
Europeans spent centuries butchering each other, before they even looked in Africa's direction. In fact, they even spent time fighting each other for Africa's resources.
And China? Yes, they invented gunpowder, but why could they not stop the same Europeans from invading their lands? Or Japanese?
Shaka Zulu only beat the British in a single battle. If he was whooping the Europeans, of course we'd be reading a different history.

It would be absurd for people to assume that the problem of Africa is religion. Even the whites have kicked religion aside. Plus, religions like Islam and Christianity were not brought by colonialists to Africa exclusively. The Ethiopians you speak of so glowingly are the first community in the whole world to adopt Christianity as their state religion. Many modern West Africans are migrants from the Middle East, despite their Negro hues. Sub-Saharan Africans largely adopted Islam as a result of trade, and not colonization.

Anyway, in my opinion, Africa is behind primarily because of the failure of Africans to adapt to the changing world, and create a focus for themselves. We have been independent for half a century, yet we remain perpetually in servitude, not only to the West, but now the East (Middle East and Asia). The Asians also experienced colonization, but they have adapted, and they've taken charge of their own destinies. What we need to do as a people is to become more productive. That includes you yourself. Become productive, contribute to Africa's development instead of chasing pounds and dollars abroad. That is the sacrifice I am yet to see Africans make. Rather we all flee abroad and cry about no NEPA, no skyscrapers, and no trains. Or we put some 'Africanist' garb on, and skulk around meeting halls and colleges abroad, crying about racism and colonization. That's not productive.

Stay in Africa, no matter how unpleasant or uncomfortable it is, and contribute to its development. Work hard, and make your presence felt. Contribute to the strengthening of its institutions, rather than staying thousands of miles away and crying corruption. That is all that is required. Even if you find yourself abroad, channel the resources and know-how you are gathering towards the development of your people back home. Most successful Africans I know who live abroad spend most of their resources trying to compete with the white man, buying million-dollar homes in exclusive white neighbourhoods and buying top of the range automobiles. These are resources that need to be channeled back home, to develop your communities back home.

I had a conversation last week with someone at an airport in Nigeria. Due to our domestic flight being delayed for some hours, he was quite bitter, and took the opportunity to vent about the country and its failings. One of his angry assertions was 'Half of Nigerian children are not in school!'. My response was 'Quite, but let's thank God that we have the other half in school. Once we improve the lot of that half, things will surely be better in th future.'. That is how most of us see Africa. We spent a lot of time ranting about what we don't have, while refusing to focus on the things we do have. Let's adjust our attitude, and start to focus on positivity and growth, and see how things change around us.

Olodostein: You make great points with this post. It is good to know there are people out there with concrete plans to make Africa better.

Igbo2011 is a very dedicated brother trying to make an impact. That is why he created his website to ventilate the message.

AjanleKoko: I think you have your history mixed up, bro.
Europeans spent centuries butchering each other, before they even looked in Africa's direction. In fact, they even spent time fighting each other for Africa's resources.
And China? Yes, they invented gunpowder, but why could they not stop the same Europeans from invading their lands? Or Japanese?
Shaka Zulu only beat the British in a single battle. If he was whooping the Europeans, of course we'd be reading a different history.

It would be absurd for people to assume that the problem of Africa is religion. Even the whites have kicked religion aside. Plus, religions like Islam and Christianity were not brought by colonialists to Africa exclusively. The Ethiopians you speak of so glowingly are the first community in the whole world to adopt Christianity as their state religion. Many modern West Africans are migrants from the Middle East, despite their Negro hues. Sub-Saharan Africans largely adopted Islam as a result of trade, and not colonization.

Anyway, in my opinion, Africa is behind primarily because of the failure of Africans to adapt to the changing world, and create a focus for themselves. We have been independent for half a century, yet we remain perpetually in servitude, not only to the West, but now the East (Middle East and Asia). The Asians also experienced colonization, but they have adapted, and they've taken charge of their own destinies. What we need to do as a people is to become more productive. That includes you yourself. Become productive, contribute to Africa's development instead of chasing pounds and dollars abroad. That is the sacrifice I am yet to see Africans make. Rather we all flee abroad and cry about no NEPA, no skyscrapers, and no trains. Or we put some 'Africanist' garb on, and skulk around meeting halls and colleges abroad, crying about racism and colonization. That's not productive.

Stay in Africa, no matter how unpleasant or uncomfortable it is, and contribute to its development. Work hard, and make your presence felt. Contribute to the strengthening of its institutions, rather than staying thousands of miles away and crying corruption. That is all that is required. Even if you find yourself abroad, channel the resources and know-how you are gathering towards the development of your people back home. Most successful Africans I know who live abroad spend most of their resources trying to compete with the white man, buying million-dollar homes in exclusive white neighbourhoods and buying top of the range automobiles. These are resources that need to be channeled back home, to develop your communities back home.

I had a conversation last week with someone at an airport in Nigeria. Due to our domestic flight being delayed for some hours, he was quite bitter, and took the opportunity to vent about the country and its failings. One of his angry assertions was 'Half of Nigerian children are not in school!'. My response was 'Quite, but let's thank God that we have the other half in school. Once we improve the lot of that half, things will surely be better in th future.'. That is how most of us see Africa. We spent a lot of time ranting about what we don't have, while refusing to focus on the things we do have. Let's adjust our attitude, and start to focus on positivity and growth, and see how things change around us.

Olodostein: You make great points with this post. It is good to know there are people out there with concrete plans to make Africa better.

Igbo2011 is a very dedicated brother trying to make an impact. That is why he created his website to ventilate the message.

igbo2011: I do channel my resources back hom. Check out this page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nigerian-Economic-Development-Plan/278164788911610

A lot of my money that I have I spend it on products made in Africa. I have a lot of African clothe, goods, art, and I also spend money in black owned businesses. I am trying to have millions of Africans (blacks) do the same thing. If we can all do this then jobs will be created at home. Money needs to be spend in our community so the economic multiplier effect can turn that dollar into 100 dollars and create jobs, reduce crime and eradicate poverty.

Join the movement and put this on your facebook and twitter page. Let's try and start a movement: www.nigerianedp.com

Olodostein: That is a great effort you are making.

Meanwhile, we have to expand our horizon. One thing you should look into is Green economy initiatives and how it can contribute to the development of the economy in Nigeria and Africa.

I have been traveling state to state doing research on the potentials of these states and also the damages that are being done by traditional companies.

In my initial study before the boko haram saga went haywire, I collected that Northern Nigerians which was where I started off holds potential. I shall keep you updated on my findings and also thinking of setting up a platform where Entrepreneurship will be the main focus for Youths and other serious minded Nigerians who will make use of it.

igbo2011: Daalu nwanne m nwoke.
Are you an environmental scientist? Also if you make your site tell me, I will promote it on my site.

cap28: NIGERIANS ARE THE MOST SELF HATING AND BRAIN WASHED AFRICANS YOU WILL EVER COME ACROSS, SEE A BRAINWASHED NIGERIAN IN ACTION:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZjmr2zJJV0&list=PLFD8F455656FD6BB2&index=1&feature=plcp

igbo2011: http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/600155_10150877802558994_1941261420_n.jpg

Why do we treat the foreigners who are exploiting us better than our own people? No wonder why everyone in the world treats us badly. We dn't even treat ourselves well!!

drzed:
To blame our attitude on slave trade is to bury our heads in the sands. Check your history: During the era of slave trade, the white men did not wage war of attrition around our towns just to capture us as slaves. They stayed at the coast in their ships and it was our own people that did the raiding and the capturing of the the slaves inland. All for what? In exchange for salt, guns and freaking mirrors!

But I agree that colonialism contributed (but is not an excuse) for our hatred for each other. This is because essentially, the white man drew imaginary lines around Africa and named some portions Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya, etc. And NONE of the people so encircled by these artificial boundaries agreed (at least not willingly) to be part of their so-called Nations. That is why virtually ALL contemporary wars in Africa can be traced to ethnic issues: (Nigeria, Liberia, Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Sudan) and even recently the civil strife over leadership in Kenya proves that most African nations are formed by 'incompatible' tribes.

This is why we in Nigeria need to stop deceiving ourselves. We are very different and the earlier we acknowledge our differences and respect the need to re-negotiate our terms of existence, the better for us. I always say, the only kind relationship whose membership is non-negotiable, is a cult. Seriously, what the eff does 'Nigeria' actually mean culturally to you and to me? The word 'Niger' is not native to any tribe in Nigeria. Must it remain so because Lord Luggard's mistress gave us that name? Wazobia is to me a more culturally relevant name for this country. But as Nigerians, many of us are allergic to change of the progressive type....and that is why we seem to be perpetually swimming in the same 5hit for over 50 years. Every aspect of nationhood matters - including a country's name, which is required for shared values, common identity and sense of belonging.

What does it actually mean to be a Nigerian? Think about it!

In the days of the bible Egypt was black African. In fact 99% of the pharoahs were blacks, and blacks built the pyramids and grand temples and monuments of Egypt. Thousands of years ago, blacks were the most advanced, educated, and respected race on earth. At some point they allowed a few of the whites (Greeks) into Egypt and taught them the sciences, mathematics, medicine, architecture etc, which was what led to the rise of Greek civilization, and from it, the western civilization of today.

Truth is Africans have no reason to feel less than anyone else. Without the early African pioneers, there would be no civilization to speak of today.

Here are the words of Lady Flora Shaw, the historian wife of Lord Lugard, first British governor general of Nigeria:

Flora Shaw's (alias Lady Flora Lugard) book is an extraordinary look at the history of Africa, which she gathered from countless sources, and one would imagine a great deal of it came from the British Library and from the archives of the Times of London, for whom she had for many years been the Foreign Political Correspondent. She had always been known to be an intensive researcher into her subject matter, and one wonders at the months and probably years she put into this undertaking, which became the reference work for so many future books on Africa. This book was first published 100 years ago showing the detail and descriptive power, and the greatness that Africa once was. Lady Lugard argues that:

"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Ethiopians) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt. For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."

"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the tallest, most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favorites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than at that re
mote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, Black Classic Press (1996)

BigTom:
d same tin bothering my mind. Am begining to dislike all blacks all africans , especially all nigerians females. Both young and old. Dey all lack manners and very disgusting. Dis is jus my one week visit to uk. is so bad. D whites ladies are more nicers dan i expected. No wonder a black nation cant move forward. F***king niggas and bitches. I aint marryin a black p***y again

Piro4rl:
AND THESE OYIBO WILL IN TURN TREAT US LIKE A RAG IN THEIR COUNTRY. GOD HELP US

EreluY:
[b]@drzed. TBH., I haven't been on NL since Nov 2011, or thereabout. This is because, constructive discourses, IMHO, weren't largely holding on the majority of the fora here on NL. But I find your responses very thoughtful, insightful and engaging. In fact, I cannot - broadly speaking - fault anything you've said. For example, I am one of those Nigerians who felt and still feel that Nigeria did absolutely nothing to make me who I am today. Nonetheless, on completing my studies here in the UK, I was ready to return home to contribute my own LITTLE quota to Nigeria's future or for posterity. But, I quickly realised how I could end up wasting away in Nigeria and I decided not to return home, at least for now. In spite of securing my dream job here in the UK, the 'racist card' including the 'Plastic British' politics, amongst other things, led me to raise a similar question on this site. I personally know many who have similar experience, share similar view and had taken the same decision. I 'met' a guy here on NL. He lectures here in the UK and wanted to return to Nigeria to teach, believing he has something to offer the future generations. He came to this site to seek opinions ( https://www.nairaland.com/449990/relocating-back-nigeria-lecture-university ). Not only was his thread derailed, he was vilified here on this site and he ended up shelving the idea. Before you think I am digressing, if it were to be a Caucasian British, American or Canadian, even a Romanian or Lithuanian, who posted a similar thread, fellow Nigerians are more than likely to welcome him with open hands and encourage him to relocate to Nigeria to lend a helping hand.[/b]




Absolutely right, dasparrow. You're spot on!




Don't forget that there were countless of intra-tribal and inter-tribal warfare across sub-Sahara Africa, which fuelled trans-Atlantic slave trade. Trading-off one another in this day and age, IMHO, translates into selling one another off into modern day slavery. It's, therefore, probably in our DNA.

IcharmU:
Everyone wants to be happy that's our purpose of living ....I like the whites cos of their lovingfilled way of living....