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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by iboboyswag(m): 8:54pm On May 11, 2022
Lexusgs430:


Which reasonable thinking woman, would rather go traditional, and ignore legal protection.......... cheesy

Traditional wedding, is simply a sexist arrangement........ wink

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by iboboyswag(m): 8:54pm On May 11, 2022
Lexusgs430:


Which reasonable thinking woman, would rather go traditional, and ignore legal protection.......... cheesy

Traditional wedding, is simply a sexist arrangement........ wink

Before I agree or disagree, please what sex does this sexist arrangement favor in your opinion?

I want to learn
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Viruses: 9:11pm On May 11, 2022
Lexusgs430:


Which reasonable thinking woman, would rather go traditional, and ignore legal protection.......... cheesy

Traditional wedding, is simply a sexist arrangement........ wink
Why would you bother yourself with the thought of legal protection before marriage?
You dey budget for bad thing for your salary?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Lexusgs430: 9:26pm On May 11, 2022
Viruses:

Why would you bother yourself with the thought of legal protection before marriage?
You dey budget for bad thing for your salary?

Of what use is a marriage of a few years, jointly accumulate assets & cash ........ One bang....... She is disadvantaged.......... grin

Why do you have life insurance & pension plans......... smiley
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Lexusgs430: 9:28pm On May 11, 2022
iboboyswag:


Before I agree or disagree, please what sex does this sexist arrangement favor in your opinion?

I want to learn

It's tilted to favour the men.......... wink
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Lexusgs430: 9:32pm On May 11, 2022
TheGuyFromHR:


I agree, but the same women who talk about being independent would rather die than not have a "trado wedding", disregarding the sexist implications of the ceremony in most cultures - one man comes and basically pays a [sometimes tokenistic, sometimes not] sum of money/hands over valuable consideration to another group of men [who impliedly "own" her], and carries off the woman. I think feminists should turn their attention to those aspects of the ceremony and advocate for abandoning it and going through with only one form - which apparently recognises the equality of the parties.


Let's get rid of the culture, charging excessive bride prices.......

₦1000 or less, should be a maximum bride price........ I paid ₦200 bride price (which was fully refunded)...... cheesy
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Viruses: 9:44pm On May 11, 2022
Lexusgs430:


Of what use is a marriage of a few years, jointly accumulate assets & cash ........ One bang....... She is disadvantaged.......... grin

Why do you have life insurance & pension plans......... smiley
Marriage should not be entered with the intention that it will be for a few years.

Pension is a plan for good thing actually. Not a plan incase bad thing happen.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Lexusgs430: 9:50pm On May 11, 2022
Viruses:

Marriage should not be entered with the intention that it will be for a few years.

Pension is a plan for good thing actually. Not a plan incase bad thing happen.


It's not your intention, but every marriage/relationship is a gamble...........

You don't think it's a bad thing, to stop working........ grin Let's ask buhari & his geriatric colleagues........ cheesy
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 9:59pm On May 11, 2022
Lexusgs430:



It's not your intention, but every marriage/relationship is a gamble...........

You don't think it's a bad thing, to stop working........ grin Let's ask buhari & his geriatric colleagues........ cheesy

Lol - Nigeria's gerontology unit is working overtime with the number of patients it has on the loose in government.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 10:02pm On May 11, 2022
Viruses:

Why would you bother yourself with the thought of legal protection before marriage?
You dey budget for bad thing for your salary?

Why wouldn't you?
Marriages are not made in heaven, they break down all the time.
Speaking of marriages and pensions in the same breath - pension entitlements are also divided up with the wife in the event of divorce too. Nothing wey Ali's Money no dey reach.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 10:07pm On May 11, 2022
Lexusgs430:



Let's get rid of the culture, charging excessive bride prices.......

₦1000 or less, should be a maximum bride price........ I paid ₦200 bride price (which was fully refunded)...... cheesy

My father in law was very careful to say "We don't sell our daughters here".
He told me "Put your hand in your pocket and bring out whatever amount you want".
Like I said, its tokenism in some cases, but the symbolism of the transaction still remains - even if its the so-called statutory ₦60.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Goke7: 10:08pm On May 11, 2022
NNTR:
The guy I quoted made a flippant remark in saying '... certificates don’t get you a job, experience does'

UK professional market is certification cum experience driven. Certifications are hardly passed with lack of experience

I can have professional body certification(s) with loadsa experience in it, obtained from other sources, aside gainful employment.

Entry level positions doesnt necessarily require having gainful employment experience, as there's what's called learn on the job

OP was wrong in saying 'certificates don’t get you a job, experience does', when its common knowledge that entry level positions, doesnt necessarily require having upfront gainful employment experience, as there's what's called 'learn on the job' with aim to equip with the range of skills and the experience to foster a successful career.

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

Now you are shifting the post by saying that certifications can get entry level positions. If you said that earlier, it would have been better. Of course one don't expect experience to be needed for most entry positions. But the positions the op was talking about which you are contesting are positions like product owner, product manager and scrum master are not entry level positions but roles that require some level of experience. Having certifications alone are not enough for such roles especially in the UK. What folks are doing is to falsify their cv claiming experience but then if background checks before resumption claim otherwise then it will be embarrassing.

Folks should be realistic with their expectations and get experience through volunteering or internships to get experience

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by lightnlife: 10:25pm On May 11, 2022
Thanks!

Solumtoya:


Just have your partner transfer into the Account. Sometimes, it takes a while to tick on the referral page but once you do 3 transactions, it should
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by claremont(m): 11:01pm On May 11, 2022
Lexusgs430:


Which reasonable thinking woman, would rather go traditional, and ignore legal protection.......... cheesy

Traditional wedding, is simply a sexist arrangement........ wink

The women in this category are our mothers, grandmothers, great grandmothers etc; and arguably, their marriages were, in the majority of cases, for life. You can compare and contrast that with the ''legally protected'' modern marriages in which a simple misunderstanding will lead to a broadcast on social media with the intention of justifying a divorce on the grounds that the ogbono soup served last night had no salt in it.

The second point regarding traditional marriages is a moot point. The concept of dowry isn't sexist, it's tradition. In most cultures and religions around the world, dowry exists in its various forms. Bride price is mentioned in the Bible and Quran, and these are books most religious adherents swear by.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Lexusgs430: 11:34pm On May 11, 2022
claremont:


The women in this category are our mothers, grandmothers, great grandmothers etc; and arguably, their marriages were, in the majority of cases, for life. You can compare and contrast that with the ''legally protected'' modern marriages in which a simple misunderstanding will lead to a broadcast on social media with the intention of justifying a divorce on the grounds that the ogbono soup served last night had no salt in it.

The second point regarding traditional marriages is a moot point. The concept of dowry isn't sexist, it's tradition. In most cultures and religions around the world, dowry exists in its various forms. Bride price is mentioned in the Bible and Quran, and these are books most religious adherents swear by.

Which is the reason, that generation were greatly subjugated and had little or no voice ..........


Do British people (proper oyinbo), pay bride price ......... cheesy
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Ticha: 11:48pm On May 11, 2022
Viruses:

Why would you bother yourself with the thought of legal protection before marriage?
You dey budget for bad thing for your salary?

Why not? It is very prudent to do so! It doesn't mean you don't believe in the sanctity of marriage.

@Lexusgs430 yes - the oyinbos always had dowries in the long forgotten past.

To be fair in almost all cultures then, women were chattels and all marriages transactional in one way or another

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by iboboyswag(m): 11:52pm On May 11, 2022
Lexusgs430:


It's tilted to favour the men.......... wink

Then I disagree. The Igbo traditional marriage grants immense privileges to the woman. Oriaku no be guy name.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Lexusgs430: 12:09am On May 12, 2022
iboboyswag:


Then I disagree. The Igbo traditional marriage grants immense privileges to the woman. Oriaku no be guy name.


Grants immense privileges, then after the death of her husband....... Kick her out without any remorse or consideration......

And excludes the female gender, from inheriting her father.........

Or have I just imagined this ........... cheesy

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Lexusgs430: 12:09am On May 12, 2022
Ticha:


Why not? It is very prudent to do so! It doesn't mean you don't believe in the sanctity of marriage.

@Lexusgs430 yes - the oyinbos always had dowries in the long forgotten past.

To be fair in almost all cultures then, women were chattels and all marriages transactional in one way or another

In live in the present....... cheesy
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Ticha: 12:10am On May 12, 2022
Kom, kom, kom! Banging the drum for New Zealand again o! A new, direct PR pathway has been created. Only 2 years to PR and it doesn't expire!

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/media/the-green-list-simplified-applications-and-residence-pathways.pdf

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Ticha: 12:35am On May 12, 2022
Lexusgs430:



Grants immense privileges, then after the death of her husband....... Kick her out without any remorse or consideration......

And excludes the female gender, from inheriting her father.........

Or have I just imagined this ........... cheesy

Shave her head, make her wear black for 12 months and stay isolated, sometimes forced to drink the bath water from the corpse... and not only in the East...
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by DrObum(m): 1:11am On May 12, 2022
Lexusgs430:


Which is the reason, that generation were greatly subjugated and had little or no voice ..........


Do British people (proper oyinbo), pay bride price ......... cheesy
So, if 'proper oyinbo' does it, then it makes sense and if they don't, it doesn't?

Proper oyinbo indeed, people that give birth to children from multiple men but don't marry any.

Our dowry and traditional marriage system is still top notch. It served the need of that time and still serving the needs of the present time.

Humans would always find a way to go around every system and so with a little tweaking, our traditional marriage system would still beat any that the 'proper oyinbo' can bring.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Lexusgs430: 1:28am On May 12, 2022
DrObum:

So, if 'proper oyinbo' does it, then it makes sense and if they don't, it doesn't?

Proper oyinbo indeed, people that give birth to children from multiple men but don't marry any.

Our dowry and traditional marriage system is still top notch. It served the need of that time and still serving the needs of the present time.

Humans would always find a way to go around every system and so with a little tweaking, our traditional marriage system would still beat any that the 'proper oyinbo' can bring.

So what does dowry payment guarantee.........
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by igbsam(m): 2:27am On May 12, 2022
lightest:


Yes u need stamp on the envelope and u can register it if u want. But make sure u put registered return self address envelope for the return of ur BRP

Ah, i didn't do this o. I hope this is not a problem. Mogbe! I sent my brp since last week Friday and up until now, i never hear anything.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Inkredible(m): 5:17am On May 12, 2022
Swears, you step away for a minute and theres a mountain of valuable knowledge/information to sift through. cheesy

Greetings to the ELDERS of this forum. It's being awhile, hope life has being good and kind to you all.

So, in the pursuit of happiness, I now walk the path of a Fullstack web developer. I will like to reach out to software engineers in this forum who would be kind to spare 15minutes of their time for a virtual coffee chat at your total convenience. I'd love to get to know what it is like in the industry and to make new friends and guides in this field.

I have a calendly link I can mail out if that's easier for scheduling purposes according to what time works best for you. Would post but don't want to risk nairaland's ban.

Anyways, nice to catch up with the house again. cheesy

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by NNTR: 5:35am On May 12, 2022
Aphrodite007:
The only accepted po certificate is from scrum (because scrum made the term PO) other agile framework adopted it. But if you want to do other courses to get the certification- sure do you.

There’s no acceptable PM body (at least in the Uk), but if you believe the course you’re doing on Udemy will be used by recruiters, sure do you.

Also, PMs are previously very experienced BAs, POs, DMs, Agile Coaches, Prject Mgrs. there is no direct path to PM unless you start as a junior (not many companies employ junior roles).

P.S; in the UK (unlike America) certificates don’t get you a job, experience does. Certificates only give you the knowledge you need to answer interview questions well.

lightnlife:
Thanks for the insight.

I've taken a couple of courses on Scrum and aced the scrum assessment - 100% consistently...Now I feel ready and confident to take the main exam.

As you noted, junior scrum roles are not quite easy to come by and the major scrum roles require years of experience
.

Question: How can one make an entry to the role; are there scrum volunteering opportunities? I've watched a lot of videos on getting started as a new scrum master but they're not detailed.

Please share more insights on making entry to the world of scrum.

NNTR:
With all due respect, the emboldened is completely and utterly wrong, certificates will open doors, then its left to you to pitch and convince you're capable of doing the job applied for.

1. Appropriate and suitably drafted CV (i.e. curriculum vitae) or Resume e.g. make sure its applicant tracking systems (ATS) friendly
2. Recruitment Agencies, allows you to get a foot in the door, also serve as opportunities to get interviews, from which you can learn from
3. Certification(s) even foundational entry certification(s) are game changers
4. Networking, meaning, mingle and interact with others with similar professional interest, to exchange information and for developing your professional or social contacts

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.


Goke7:
Now you are shifting the post by saying that certifications can get entry level positions. If you said that earlier, it would have been better. Of course one don't expect experience to be needed for most entry positions. But the positions the op was talking about which you are contesting are positions like product owner, product manager and scrum master are not entry level positions but roles that require some level of experience. Having certifications alone are not enough for such roles especially in the UK. What folks are doing is to falsify their cv claiming experience but then if background checks before resumption claim otherwise then it will be embarrassing.

Folks should be realistic with their expectations and get experience through volunteering or internships to get experience
Smh, getting positions like product owner, product manager and scrum master or junior entry level, being certified by the relevant professional body(ies) is a game changer, meaning it opens doors, gives you a chance to slide your foot in, to then pitch and sell yourself

You and your friend are blindsided to the fact that, certifications is one of the things the applicant tracking systems (ATS) bot will be looking out for, and if found absent on CVs, it means, the CV goes straight into the dustbin, and the effect of that, is the CV will have no prospect of get selected for an interview appointment, leaving the CV owner, drop off even before getting to jump over the first hurdle.

No one falsifies CVs, you list your experience and then give an articulate account of however way you obtained the experience.

I remember back in the day, when I got certified as a MSCE, before I broke into the industry, the only experience aside passing 8 - 9 certifications, was my private LAN, that I used to practice installation, administration, configuration et cetera for network resources like network servers, printers, even mail servers too. It's that experience I used in getting my first break.

Now, re-read and note lightnlife OP's remark 'Please share more insights on making entry to the world of scrum'

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 5:46am On May 12, 2022
iboboyswag:


Then I disagree. The Igbo traditional marriage grants immense privileges to the woman. Oriaku no be guy name.

Speaking seriously, I'd like to know what those immense privileges are? I have an "Odoziaku" in my house (both my mother and my wife are Igbo), so make I learn. If there is fine print in the traditional marriage contract that I didn't see, I fit change lane.

As far as I am aware, in most Nigerian cultures, marriage worked this way - a man undertakes some form of transaction for a woman, takes her back to his own family/village/land, where she becomes a wife and mother, producing children who most cultures then regarded as "belonging" to the man/his family (based on the seed garden principle, a man sowing his seed into a woman, the only part of sexual reproduction perceptible to the ancients).

Apart from a right to be supported by her husband, which these days is not really worthwhile if one could support oneself prior to the marriage anyway, I don't see any privileges, immense or otherwise, on the woman's part. Of course it wasn't slavery, as women could exit the arrangement and return to their "father's house", but I do fail to see any specific advantages there.

For European cultures, in those days when a man married a woman, he became her master of sorts, taking over control of all her assets and property, if any (changing of surnames was part of this), and also assuming a duty to care and provide for her. (A dowry is different from a bride price as we know it - a dowry is the money/property given to a woman by her family when she gets married, while the bride price is the opposite). That changed, and of course, dowries have long since died out in oyibo culture, but the concept survives to an extent in alimony, which was originally based on the fact that a man was assumed to have an obligation to support his wife, even after divorce.

Marriage has always been an arrangement (let's get together and have children or licensed sex, or to get support, the oyibo man invented so-called love to give basic sexual attraction/lust a nicer name), but customary marriage as is did confer more advantages on the man than the woman (not always enforceable these days), except perhaps in places like Abriba where the culture is matrilineal.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by HaneefahRN(f): 7:22am On May 12, 2022
Lexusgs430:


So what does dowry payment guarantee.........

It guarantees the man the right to say I paid your bride price, I can cheat and do whatever I so please. grin

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Viruses: 7:39am On May 12, 2022
HaneefahRN:


It guarantees the man the right to say I paid your bride price, I can cheat and do whatever I so please. grin
Not funny, not even sarcastic. If dowry is useless then don't pay it if you are a man, just carry your wife and go. If you're a woman don't accept it, just carry yourself to the man's house as wife.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by HaneefahRN(f): 7:51am On May 12, 2022
Viruses:

Not funny, not even sarcastic. If dowry is useless then don't pay it if you are a man, just carry your wife and go. If you're a woman don't accept it, just carry yourself to the man's house as wife.

It was not meant to be funny, but I have heard this same quote severally from people to justify excesses made in marriage by men. Somehow haven paid a bride price makes it ok. I am indifferent about dowries.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Lexusgs430: 7:52am On May 12, 2022
HaneefahRN:


It guarantees the man the right to say I paid your bride price, I can cheat and do whatever I so please. grin


And when she equally cheats, he calls it a taboo....... grin

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