Asalam Alaykum Warahmatullah. This verse from Surah Al Furqan keeps popping up in my mind and I deemed it fit to share it with my brethren in Deen.
Who are the ‘Ibad ur Rahman’ (Slaves of Allah)? These category of people are described in Surah Alfurqan:
Translation:63. And the slaves of the Most Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness.

64. And those who spend the night before their Lord, prostrate and standing.

65. And those who say: “Our Lord! Avert from us the torment of Hell. Verily! Its torment is ever an inseparable, permanent punishment.”
In these verses attention is being drawn to the two patterns of character and life: first of those who had accepted the Message of the Holy Prophet and were following it, and the second of those who persisted in the ways of ignorance.
The prominent characteristics of the true Believers are:
They walk on the earth with dignity, serenity and humility, not with arrogance and pride. (“Walking humbly” does not mean walking like a weak or sick person, nor does it imply the gait of a hypocrite who walks ostentatiously to show humility or fear of God. According to Traditions, the Holy Prophet himself used to walk with firm, quick steps.)
If the ignorant people insult them with bad words, they do not respond likewise, but they forgive and overlook, and say nothing but good words. (This is what the Messenger of Allah did: the more ignorant the people, the more patient he would be.)
The true servants of the “Merciful” do not believe in “vengeance”, though they may have to deal with ignorant people who behave rudely and insolently towards them. If they happen to come across such people, they wish them peace and turn away. (The same has been expressed in Surah AI-Qasas: 55.

The true servants of Allah pass their nights in worshipping and remembering Him as much as they can.
In spite of all their worship and good deeds, they are so filled with the fear of the torment of Hell that they pray to their Lord to save them from it, for they do not depend upon their own work for success in the Hereafter but upon the mercy of Allah.
The torment of Hell is ever an inseparable, permanent punishment.
(Everything that strikes the son of Adam, then disappears, does not constitute an inseparable, permanent punishment. The inseparable, permanent punishment is that which lasts as long as heaven and earth.)
When they hear Al-Laghw (evil or vain talk), they withdraw from it.
(References: Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an and Tafsir Ibn Kathir).
Are you an Ibadu Rahman?

This Surat Rahman came back to mind in the wake of Deborah's case... We really need to make sure we are practising Islam the way we are supposed to.
Any matter you can find settled in the Qur'an, it's not necessary to go look for it somewhere else.

These are products of Nigeria injustice system. We will learn someday by fire by force. I don't even see this case as blasphemy or anything relating to religion. The region is somewhat known to act like this for those of us growing up in the 90s would know.

And it is not only Northern region, other parts of the country aren't any better. Nigeria has long embraced jungle justice for a very long time and they still embrace it today. While some jungle justice seems to be very sweet when someone do worse, I won't support it. Govt encourages jungle justices.

Within the past two weeks leading to the death of this girl there were reported and underreported gruesome murder cases. Look at IPOB the way they murdered a couple and no one seemed to care about it.


Look at the boy that was killed at Chrisland school boy Sylvester Oromoni murdered and his killers seem to be at large, possibly flown overseas to evade justice.



Look at Habeeb Idris who was murdered by Christian mobs in kwara state CAN made sure the case was swept under the table. So now, surprisingly CAN came out to defend Deborah seeking for justice. Allah is just.


I don't tag this religious issue. It is not different from other events in the country. It was actually the media that tagged it "blasphemy" to stare reactions.

I am so much disappointed with Muslims on social media platforms. Load of them have zero sense. Qur'an teaches that we are the best of mankind but their behavior on this issue doesn't go down well with me. The only two people that make sense to me are Sheikh Imran Eleha and Mallam Yusuf Adepoju.

I expected Muslims to talk briefly about blasphemy academically and let it slide and focus on coordinated condolence visit to the family. As in, send at least 5 Yorùbá Muslim delegates to comport the family until the girl was buried and give them some money as well. But instead of them to think they were arguing back and forth and started tagging this sect and that sect was behind the crime. Who dah help?.

They are bunch of hypocrites. This case has nothing to do with Alhusunnah Wajamah. The moment the incident happened they started saying it is alhusunnah waljamah. Alhusunnah Wajamah are not responsible for what happened. But these clowns started talking about Ibn Taymmiya, wahabi salafi etc. This led to those stupid, young Alhusunnah Wajamah that always look for trouble to insist on death penalty without using their wisdom. Hypocrites now used this to confirmed Alhusunnah Wajamah are behind the incident. But the reality is, those killers aren't even knowledgeable people. Hausa-Fulani are known to act this way for long time even Yorùbá act the same way when it comes to killing thieves.

Also none of these Alfas came out to condemn Habeeb Idris killers. Does this mean that Muslim blood is cheap and Christian blood is sacred?. No one said what those Deborah's killers did was right. But I am talking about justice system. Those alfas should have used the opportunity to call out CAN and govt injustices around the country. But as usual they are just arguing over blasphemy. I am really pissed off right now.

It was only Sheikh Imran Eleha and Mallam Yusuf Adepoju that highlighted other cases where injustices exist including Habeeb Idris case.

Until we reset our brain and return to Allah and embrace justice nothing will change. Personally I support blasphemy law but I differ with death penalty. Govt has the right to implement laws. Laws are meant to regulate our affairs otherwise a ma ko lu ara wa all the time. If there was Sharia law in SW those Christians who published 1994 manifesto would have been dealt with. They would cautioned what they teach their people. To be honest, Christian parents and pastors teach Christians negative things about Islam, Muhammad and muslims. They don't see Muslims the way Muslims see them.

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All religions today have what it takes to woo members into loving their holy writings or Oracles. If you ask the Traditionalists about virtue they can tell you a lot about what their Oracle (Ifá) says concerning that.
Ask Guru Maharaji in ìbàdàn, he can write an epistle about love for neighbours.
Buddhists, Hindus, Churches and many others are not left behind in saying good things about how people can be kind and loving towards their neighbours but then only one GROUP is globally known to be generally peaceful in all the places where you can find their members:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Before leaving Islam i tried to find out if there is any group in Islam that truly appreciate SALAM (PEACE) as the religion taught us to greet people around us but sadly the word SALAM (PEACE) only comes out of our mouths, the average Muslim is just like every other person out there.
So i began wondering where is the difference to prove that Islam is better than all other religions out there apart from the book we were told came from God?
After some time that i couldn't find the answer to this question i decided to be less religious and i began eyeing atheism because they have this strong argument against religions.
I red a lot in their websites that really caught my undivided attention but then something came up: atheists only lay complaints about religion they see no solution in sight regarding the problems affecting the human society which makes them believe strongly in science and politics.
I am an ex military intelligence officer and i know that if left alone unattended to science and politics would have wiped out the human race on this planet because none talks about morals and virtues, the laws guiding the human society was partially taken from religion. So i returned to religion but this time ready to listen to all the different groups talking about God, in fact i prayed fervently to God without using any name because i have come to realize that different religions uses different names for their Gods, i begged God to show me the right religion if truly He exists and ever since then Jehovah's Witnesses came disturbing me. I don't like that religion because they're always going up and down and to me it's like they're aimless, but then i decided to listen to what they have to say after all i am the one who prayed to and i don't know the religion God will show me yet.
My experience while studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses really made everything so sweet, it was as if i finally found the one and only religion approved by God.
This group has successfully gathered people in millions throughout the earth, they have used the Bible to resolve all their racial disparities, they have erased politics, military services and racism from the hearts of their members, they have diverted all their resources into the production of food and information materials, they have vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman again and as for making, selling or using weapons they have said "GOODBYE" Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Before we were taught that what was written in the Bible book of Zephaniah 3:9 which states that people will worship God shoulder to shoulder and in the same language means Islam, but how can a religion claims their members speak the same language if they can't resolve their racial disparities among themselves?
Today i've come to realize that there is God and He truly wants us to worship Him with one line of thought and the only group meeting up with this requirements are Jehovah's Witnesses!
Please if you know any group as in any group in Islam that's performing closer to what this group has achieved so far i'll love to know them. There are many so called "Holy books" but in the case where the holiness only end up in the pages of books then something is wrong somewhere!

MaxInDHouse:
but then only one GROUP is globally known to be generally peaceful in all the places where you can find their members:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Before leaving Islam i tried to find out if there is any group in Islam that truly appreciate SALAM (PEACE) as the religion taught us to greet people around us but sadly the word SALAM (PEACE) only comes out of our mouths, the average Muslim is just like every other person out there.
So i began wondering where is the difference to prove that Islam is better than all other religions out there apart from the book we were told came from God?
After some time that i couldn't find the answer to this question i decided to be less religious and i began eyeing atheism because they have this strong argument against religions.

we know your trick jare. You were once Muslim . Nice try, buddy. If you read your Bible very well you should know that this gimmick you tried to pull was taught by Paul. Most Christians pull this trick on muslims all the time. We are used to it. Try another one

Empiree:
we know your trick jare. You were once Muslim . Nice try, buddy. If you read your Bible very well you should know that this gimmick you tried to pull was taught by Paul. Most Christians pull this trick on muslims all the time. We are used to it. Try another one

No wahala, i'm only interested in the SALAM (PEACE) greeting that no Muslim group is pioneering.

MaxInDHouse:

No wahala, i'm only interested in the SALAM (PEACE) greeting that no Muslim group is pioneering.

there is no real "peace" in Christianity or what's the "peace" in people who pretend to be ", peaceful" on the outside but they are super evil quietly?. We are not interested in your peace..

See below what your Christian people wrote in the 90s and see how Christians hypocritically covered up death of Muslims they killed (below)

Empiree:
there is no real "peace" in Christianity or what's the "peace" in people who pretend to be ", peaceful" on the outside but they are super evil quietly?. We are not interested in your peace.. See below what your Christian people wrote in the 90s and see how Christians hypocritically covered up death of Muslims they killed (below)

When i said i was a Muslim you doubted when you have nothing to prove that one is or not a Muslim.
Now let me enlighten you!
Christians are members of just one group who are PRACTICING what Jesus of Nazareth taught through his thoughts, words and actions. That makes all of them have the same line of thought! John 17:20 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

Do you think a member of such a group can kill for any reason whatsoever? Matthew 5:43-48
Even they're not interested in politics because none of them do vote or contest for political offices! John 6:15

Now re-read what you posted and answer this question: Do you truly know the REAL Christians?

Empiree:
These are products of Nigeria injustice system. We will learn someday by fire by force. I don't even see this case as blasphemy or anything relating to religion. The region is somewhat known to act like this for those of us growing up in the 90s would know.

And it is not only Northern region, other parts of the country aren't any better. Nigeria has long embraced jungle justice for a very long time and they still embrace is today. While some jungle justice seem to be very sweet when someone do worse, I won't support it. Govt encourages jungle justices.

Within the past two weeks leading to the death of this girl there were reported and underreported gruesome murder cases. Look at IPOB the way they murdered a couple and no one seemed to care about it.


Look at the boy that was killed at Chrisland school boy Sylvester Oromoni murdered and his killers seem to be at large, possibly flown overseas to evade justice.



Look at Habeeb Idris who was murdered by Christian mobs in kwara state CAN made sure the case was swept under the table. So now, surprisingly CAN came out to defend Deborah seeking for justice. Allah is just.


I don't tag this religious issue. It is not different from other events in the country. It was actually the media that tagged it "blasphemy" to stare reactions.

I am so much disappointed with Muslims on social media platforms. Load of them have zero sense. Qur'an teaches that we are the best of mankind but their behavior on this issue doesn't go down well with me. The only two people that make sense to me are Sheikh Imran Eleha and Mallam Yusuf Adepoju.

I expected Muslims to talk briefly about blasphemy academically and let it slide and focus on coordinated condolence visit to the family. As in, send at least 5 Yorùbá Muslim delegates to comport the family until the girl was buried and give them some money as well. But instead of them to think they were arguing back and forth and started tagging this sect and that sect behind the crime. Who dah help?.

They are bunch of hypocrites. This case has nothing to do with Alhusunnah Wajamah. The moment the incident happened they started saying it is alhusunnah waljamah. Alhusunnah Wajamah are not responsible for what happened. But these clowns started talking about Ibn Taymmiya wahabi salafi etc. This led to those stupid, young Alhusunnah Wajamah that always look for trouble to insist on death penalty without using their wisdom. Hypocrites now used this to confirmed Alhusunnah Wajamah are behind the incident. But the reality is, those killers aren't even knowledgeable people. Hausa-Fulani are known to act this way for long time even Yorùbá act the same way when it comes to killing thieves.

Also none of these Alfas came out to condemn Habeeb Idris killers. Does this mean that Muslim blood is cheap and Christian blood is sacred?. No one said what those Deborah's killers did was right. But I am talking about justice system. Those alfas should have used the opportunity to call out CAN and govt injustices around the country. But as usual they are just arguing over blasphemy. I am really pissed off right now.

It was only Sheikh Imran Eleha and Mallam Yusuf Adepoju that highlighted other cases where injustices exist including Habeeb Idris case.

Until we reset our brain and return to Allah and embrace justice nothing will change. Personally I support blasphemy law but I differ with penalty. Govt has the right to implement laws. Laws are meant to regulate our affairs otherwise a ma ko lu ara wa all the time. If there was Sharia law in SW those Christians who published 1994 manifesto would have been dealt with. They would cautioned what they teach their people. To be honest, Christian parents and pastors teach Christians negative about Islam, Muhammad and muslims. They don't see Muslims the way Muslims see them.

The Christians control the media. There is another serious case that was underreported
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10225614295683150&id=1201227902&scmts=scwspsdd

MaxInDHouse:


When i said i was a Muslim you doubted when you have nothing to prove that one is or not a Muslim.
Now let me enlighten you!
Christians are members of just one group who are PRACTICING what Jesus of Nazareth taught through his thoughts, words and actions. That makes all of them have the same line of thought! John 17:20 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

Do you think a member of such a group can kill for any reason whatsoever? Matthew 5:43-48
Even they're not interested in politics because none of them do vote or contest for political offices! John 6:15

Now re-read what you posted and answer this question: Do you truly know the REAL Christians?

Oh you want me to conclude who is truly a true Christian?. Anyone who identifies himself a Christian we need not to doubt him. The document I attached earlier was extract from Christian Association Of Nigeria document in 1994. This is a body and representative of Christ in Nigeria. If anything happens to you they come to your aid. So whatever they do we hold them responsible.

Therefore they published a violent book in 1994 which could cause chaos in the country. Such book should have never been allowed to be published. It was written by Christians. They hired lawyers to bury cases against their victims. Therefore, there is nothing peaceful about Christianity and Christians.. This is my undiluted conclusion regardless of denomination.

Empiree:

Oh you want me to conclude who is truly a true Christian?. Anyone who identifies himself a Christian we need not to doubt him. .

Below is your comment after saying i was a Muslim:

Empiree:
we know your trick jare. You were once Muslim . Nice try, buddy. If you read your Bible very well you should know that this gimmick you tried to pull was taught by Paul. Most Christians pull this trick on muslims all the time. We are used to it. Try another one

So why doubt me but wants to accept all those claiming Christians as CHRISTIANS?

Excel70:

The Christians control the media. There is another serious case that was underreported
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10225614295683150&id=1201227902&scmts=scwspsdd

Subhanallah... So it has worsen to this level?.. I hope they saved all these important information. This is why I like sheikh Imran Eleha. He delivered message to pastors and parents to watch they they teach their children and respect prophet Muhammad SAW

MaxInDHouse:


Below is your comment after saying i was a Muslim:



So why doubt me but wants to accept all those claiming Christians as CHRISTIANS?

your gimmicks will not work with me. I am used to Christians a lot. I know their tricks.

Empiree:
your gimmicks will not work with me. I am used to Christians a lot. I know their tricks.

No wahala!

Empiree:
These are products of Nigeria injustice system. We will learn someday by fire by force. I don't even see this case as blasphemy or anything relating to religion. The region is somewhat known to act like this for those of us growing up in the 90s would know.

And it is not only Northern region, other parts of the country aren't any better. Nigeria has long embraced jungle justice for a very long time and they still embrace is today. While some jungle justice seem to be very sweet when someone do worse, I won't support it. Govt encourages jungle justices.

Within the past two weeks leading to the death of this girl there were reported and underreported gruesome murder cases. Look at IPOB the way they murdered a couple and no one seemed to care about it.


Look at the boy that was killed at Chrisland school boy Sylvester Oromoni murdered and his killers seem to be at large, possibly flown overseas to evade justice.



Look at Habeeb Idris who was murdered by Christian mobs in kwara state CAN made sure the case was swept under the table. So now, surprisingly CAN came out to defend Deborah seeking for justice. Allah is just.


I don't tag this religious issue. It is not different from other events in the country. It was actually the media that tagged it "blasphemy" to stare reactions.

I am so much disappointed with Muslims on social media platforms. Load of them have zero sense. Qur'an teaches that we are the best of mankind but their behavior on this issue doesn't go down well with me. The only two people that make sense to me are Sheikh Imran Eleha and Mallam Yusuf Adepoju.

I expected Muslims to talk briefly about blasphemy academically and let it slide and focus on coordinated condolence visit to the family. As in, send at least 5 Yorùbá Muslim delegates to comport the family until the girl was buried and give them some money as well. But instead of them to think they were arguing back and forth and started tagging this sect and that sect behind the crime. Who dah help?.

They are bunch of hypocrites. This case has nothing to do with Alhusunnah Wajamah. The moment the incident happened they started saying it is alhusunnah waljamah. Alhusunnah Wajamah are not responsible for what happened. But these clowns started talking about Ibn Taymmiya wahabi salafi etc. This led to those stupid, young Alhusunnah Wajamah that always look for trouble to insist on death penalty without using their wisdom. Hypocrites now used this to confirmed Alhusunnah Wajamah are behind the incident. But the reality is, those killers aren't even knowledgeable people. Hausa-Fulani are known to act this way for long time even Yorùbá act the same way when it comes to killing thieves.

Also none of these Alfas came out to condemn Habeeb Idris killers. Does this mean that Muslim blood is cheap and Christian blood is sacred?. No one said what those Deborah's killers did was right. But I am talking about justice system. Those alfas should have used the opportunity to call out CAN and govt injustices around the country. But as usual they are just arguing over blasphemy. I am really pissed off right now.

It was only Sheikh Imran Eleha and Mallam Yusuf Adepoju that highlighted other cases where injustices exist including Habeeb Idris case.

Until we reset our brain and return to Allah and embrace justice nothing will change. Personally I support blasphemy law but I differ with penalty. Govt has the right to implement laws. Laws are meant to regulate our affairs otherwise a ma ko lu ara wa all the time. If there was Sharia law in SW those Christians who published 1994 manifesto would have been dealt with. They would cautioned what they teach their people. To be honest, Christian parents and pastors teach Christians negative about Islam, Muhammad and muslims. They don't see Muslims the way Muslims see them.

I have never heard about Habeeb Idris until now. I think some Fatwas have to be reviewed in the modern light, unless the idiots that killed Deborah will be hiding under the umbrella of one Fatwa or another. From what I gathered, all Fatwas are not derived from Qur'an or Hadith.

Alhajiemeritus:
I have never heard about Habeeb Idris until now. I think some Fatwas have to be reviewed in the modern light, unless the idiots that killed Deborah will be hiding under the umbrella of one Fatwa or another. From what I gathered, all Fatwas are not derived from Qur'an or Hadith.

First there is nothing about the fatwa in the Quran.

Second, there is nothing directly to this effect in the Hadith..I can not rely on those aHadith they quoted as reference. They can not be used for hudud.

Third, those criminals never said their action were based on fatwa. All those fatwa were after the sad incident had taken place. None of them was aware of exactly what the girl said. They were just talking until much later after further text messages were revealed about the Deborah.

I have talked extensively to people on this issue. I wish I can screenshot and attach it here. But I will safe my time by simply saying I don't support death sentence but I support sultan has the right to implement law against abuse of religious figures or RELIGIOUS trespasses. Without laws we will keep having issues in our communities. You can't abuse it's charlie and get away with it. Secret service will pick you up and you may never return until Qiyyama. So if they could this, who is she compared to the Nabi?

From all those I have listened to and watched, none of them supported the manner she was killed. They only support death sentence if handed down by authority.

Now, speaking about Qur'an position, some said since Quran doesn't prescribe worldly punishment therefore there is no punishment for defaulter. I disagree with this.

Truly Quran says we should vacate the place where Allah, Islam or prophet are being ridiculed. Very true but this applies to individual. How about those that are trained by institutions for this abuses and mockery like they do in churches?. Sultan has right to implement law to curb them otherwise, some angry individuals will attack them randomly. This is what law is meant to prevent. They should be reported to the authority and allow authority to deal with them like the case of Mubarak Bala. You see he was not killed but jailed.

Now those who said there should be no worldly penalty need to tell us what they think about Sheikh Adam (ra). Quran doesn't mention worldly punishment for illegal drug dealers, drug peddler, drug importers etc. During the regime of Buhari idiagbon in the 80s, Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory rohimohullah and several other shuyukh across the country were summoned to pass fatwa on those illegal drug importers. All shuyukh gave their verdicts such as few days in jail, months in jail, flogging etc.

Only sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory rohimohullah passed fatwa death sentence by hanging. He was asked how and why he made his conclusion?. Sheikh said after reading several tiras of the past scholars, requested lab tests for the imported illegal drugs and their quantity, he determined that the drug posed danger to the public if consumed. It may lead to death or disability. Therefore, in order to avoid this, the suspects are guilty of death by hanging.

I read this back in late 90s and his son, sheikh Habeeb himself narrated this story as well. My question is, those who claimed to love Sheikh Adam and Sheikh Habeeb, why are they saying that only Qur'an can pass death judgement?. They believe Ibn Taymmiya Ibn wahabi etc are extremists. Is Sheikh Adam extremist too when he passed death sentence on drug importers?.

Now we can see that Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory rohimohullah fatwa was correct. See what's happening to youths today. See how drugs messed up their lives because there is no law enforcement.

You notice that sheikh Adam followed judicial process.

Empiree:
First there is nothing about the fatwa in the Quran.

Second, there is nothing directly to this effect in the Hadith..I can not rely on those aHadith they quoted as reference. They can not be used for hudud.

Third, those criminals never said their action were based on fatwa. All those fatwa were after the sad incident had taken place. None of them was aware of exactly what the girl said. They were just talking until much later after further text messages were revealed about the Deborah.

I have talked extensively to people on this issue. I wish I can screenshot and attach it here. But I will safe my time by simply saying I don't support death sentence but I support sultan has the right to implement law against abuse of religious figures or RELIGIOUS trespasses. Without laws we will keep having issues in our communities. You can't abuse it's charlie and get away with it. Secret service will pick you up and you may never return until Qiyyama. So if they could this, who is she compared to the Nabi?

From all those I have listened to and watched, none of them supported the manner she was killed. They only support death sentence if handed down by authority.

Now, speaking about Qur'an position, some said since Quran doesn't prescribe worldly punishment therefore there is no punishment for defaulter. I disagree with this.

Truly Quran says we should vacate the place where Allah, Islam or prophet are being ridiculed. Very true but this applies to individual. How about those that are trained by institutions for this abuses and mockery like they do in churches?. Sultan has right to implement law to curb them otherwise, some angry individuals will attack them randomly. This is what law is meant to prevent. They should be reported to the authority and allow authority to deal with them like the case of Mubarak Bala. You see he was not killed but jailed.

Now those who said there should be no worldly penalty need to tell us what they think about Sheikh Adam (ra). Quran doesn't mention worldly punishment for illegal drug dealers, drug peddler, drug importers etc. During the regime of Buhari idiagbon in the 80s, Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory rohimohullah and several other shuyukh across the country were summoned to pass fatwa on those illegal drug importers. All shuyukh gave their verdicts such as few days in jail, months in jail, flogging etc.

Only sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory rohimohullah passed fatwa death sentence by hanging. He was asked how and why he made his conclusion?. Sheikh said after reading several tiras of the past scholars, requested lab tests for the imported illegal drugs and their quantity, he determined that the drug posed danger to the public if consumed. It may lead to death or disability. Therefore, in order to avoid this, the suspects are guilty of death by hanging.

I read this back in late 90s and his son, sheikh Habeeb himself narrated this story as well. My question is, those who claimed to love Sheikh Adam and Sheikh Habeeb, why are they saying that only Qur'an can pass death judgement?. They believe Ibn Taymmiya Ibn wahabi etc are extremists. Is Sheikh Adam extremist too when he passed death sentence on drug importers?.

Now we can see that Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory rohimohullah fatwa was correct. See what's happening to youths today. See how drugs messed up their lives because there is no law enforcement.

You notice that sheikh Adam followed judicial process.

The issue of cocaine trafficking is different, that ends up destroying lives and killing others. It is justified if the traffickers are killed, but those who abuse the prophet of Allah in a secular country such as Nigeria shouldn't be killed. How will they repent if they are killed, How will they become Muslims once they are dead? They are evil doers and should be punished in tandem with the law, there are laws for libel and defamation of character in the secular laws, this can be adopted into the ruling of blasphemy. Those criminals will never stop hiding under the death penalty if it still exists. Criminals like hiding under obvious rulings. Christains are actually terrible people, they incite others and cry wolf when they react.

Alhajiemeritus:

Christains are actually terrible people, they incite others and cry wolf when they react.

Sadly the people you call "CHRISTIANS" are just misinformed churchgoers who only follow what their greedy political ambitious leaders called "pastors" tells them.
First of all true Christians must not incite their neighbours rather they should serve as absorbers to all sorts of ridicules because they are to gain your soul not to destroy you!
If the Catholic Church never started this false religions there can't be anything call Islam because Muslims have nothing to preach apart from criticizing TRINITY which has nothing to do with the truth about God!

MaxInDHouse:

Sadly the people you call "CHRISTIANS" are just misinformed churchgoers who only follow what their greedy political ambitious leaders called "pastors" tells them.

But just like these "misinformed Churchgoers" who only follow what their greedy pastors tell them, you are also guilty of the same thing.

Just like them, you also follow only what your greedy political ambitious leaders called "the Governing Body" tells you to do.

You and them are more alike than you think.

oteneaaron:

But just like these "misinformed Churchgoers" who only follow what their greedy pastors tell them, you are also guilty of the same thing.
Just like them, you also follow only what your greedy political ambitious leaders called "the Governing Body" tells you to do.
You and them are more alike than you think.

So have you ever heard of Jehovah's Witnesses having issues with Muslims?
You just chuk mouth for what you don't understand.
Go and find out if members of JWs ever had issues with Muslims. Because we follow exactly what Jesus commanded us to do so it's only politically oriented churchgoers claiming Christians that's often trying to attack JWs but as for Muslims they don't even have any issue with us.
WHY?
We take permission before speaking to anyone unlike the misinformed Churchgoers who makes noise in the streets, corners and public buses. Matthew 12:19
So a Muslim will discuss with us and even entertain us because we present ourselves as their well meaning neighbours!

Even the most intelligent among the Muslims only try to avoid us but they can't call a mob action against us because we don't go about spewing gibberish publicly, we only discuss with those who grant us a audience!

Alhajiemeritus:
The issue of cocaine trafficking is different, that ends up destroying lives and killing others. It is justified if the traffickers are killed, but those who abuse the prophet of Allah in a secular country such as Nigeria shouldn't be killed. How will they repent if they are killed, How will they become Muslims once they are dead? They are evil doers and should be punished in tandem with the law, there are laws for libel and defamation of character in the secular laws, this can be adopted into the ruling of blasphemy. Those criminals will never stop hiding under the death penalty if it still exists. Criminals like hiding under obvious rulings. Christains are actually terrible people, they incite others and cry wolf when they react.

We are saying the same thing. I have told them that modern way of saying blasphemy is what they now called "hate crime".

As for ruling by Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory rohimohullah, what I was trying to derive from that was, the people that claimed there is no death penalty in the Quran other than murder for murder. They said it is therefore, no one should be killed for any crime other than murder for murder. So am saying why don't they criticize sheikh Adam then?.

As for kiriyo, don't mind them. They are bunch of hypocrites. As for death penalty, Sharia court itself has never executed anyone for blasphemy. If you watched Dr. Amoho Alaga he said the youths that killed Deborah even attempted to burn down Sultan palace. This is a clear indication that they acted on their own. They have no respect nor follow any fatwa. They need to be arrested, tried and executed. . This is not blasphemy case because Deborah Samuel did not mention Muhammad. Her case is not different from those people that burn thieves in Yorùbáland.

MaxInDHouse:

Sadly the people you call "CHRISTIANS" are just misinformed churchgoers who only follow what their greedy political ambitious leaders called "pastors" tells them.
First of all true Christians must not incite their neighbours rather they should serve as absorbers to all sorts of ridicules because they are to gain your soul not to destroy you!
If the Catholic Church never started this false religions there can't be anything call Islam because Muslims have nothing to preach apart from criticizing TRINITY which has nothing to do with the truth about God!

See highlighted areas?.

Compare it to what 1994 Christian manifesto said. Read Numbers 1, 2, 12, 13,14,, 20, 61, 65, 69. These are incitement

MaxInDHouse:


So have you ever heard of Jehovah's Witnesses having issues with Muslims?

we had a dialogue by road side with JW on our mission to MUTA, Adiyan 3 years ago. The JW brother was dumbfounded during the debate. He had to admit his loss. But I think I like JW witnesses as human beings. They are cool, comfort themselves and well composed during one on one dialogue with Muslims. I must tell the truth about them without prejudice. They are clean and neat and I also heard they don't eat pork. If so they are close to cleanliness mentioned in the Quran but they are devoid of guidance.

Empiree:

See highlighted areas?.
Compare it to what 1994 Christian manifesto said. Read Numbers 1, 2, 12, 13,14,, 20, 61, 65, 69. These are incitement

You keep missing the point my friend!

If they're going against the standard set by Jesus who is called "CHRIST" then they're not "CHRISTIANS"

MaxInDHouse:


So have you ever heard of Jehovah's Witnesses having issues with Muslims?
You just chuk mouth for what you don't understand.
Go and find out if members of JWs ever had issues with Muslims. Because we follow exactly what Jesus commanded us to do so it's only politically oriented churchgoers claiming Christians that's often trying to attack JWs but as for Muslims they don't even have any issue with us.
WHY?
We take permission before speaking to anyone unlike the misinformed Churchgoers who makes noise in the streets, corners and public buses. Matthew 12:19
So a Muslim will discuss with us and even entertain us because we present ourselves as their well meaning neighbours!

Even the most intelligent among the Muslims only try to avoid us but they can't call a mob action against us because we don't go about spewing gibberish publicly, we only discuss with those who grant us a audience!

That is not what I was talking about.

You said that "uniformed Churchgoers" only follow what their Pastors tell them.

But just like them, you too only follow what your Governing Body tells you.

So what makes you different from them when you both follow ONLY what your religious leaders tell you to do?

MaxInDHouse:

You keep missing the point my friend!

If they're going against the standard set by Jesus who is called "CHRIST" then they're not "CHRISTIANS"

this means that real population of Christians in Nigeria is probably in hundreds bcus based on your theory some 90% of Christians are not upright. Therefore they aren't Christians. Correct?

Empiree:
we had a dialogue by road side with JW on our mission to MUTA, Adiyan 3 years ago. The JW brother was dumbfounded during the debate. He had to admit his loss. But I think I like JW witnesses as human beings. They are cool, comfort themselves and well composed during one on one dialogue with Muslims. I must tell the truth about them without prejudice. They are clean and neat and I also heard they don't eat pork. If so they are close to cleanliness mentioned in the Quran but they are devoid of guidance.

Sorry my friend we eat all kinds of meat that's eatable!
As for our calmness that's what Jesus taught us, we must respect people's beliefs and opinion no matter how stupid it may sound to us, as long as the person is ready to discuss with us we must accord him/her due respect.

Remember we don't start preaching until you grant us a audience {Matthew 10:11-12} that's why we approach you privately to discuss one on one {Mark 7:33} we don't go about spewing gibberish in the name of preaching, the word "PREACHING" on it's own connotes "PLEADING" "BEGGING" not "ORDERING" that's why we are different from all other religions. Matthew 12:19

So our brother who maintained his calmness during the conversation, he has noticed that the atmosphere is no longer conducive for further discussion {Luke 10:6} so he turned off! Proverbs 17:14 compare to Ecclesiastes 3:7

Ever since i met Jehovah's Witnesses i keep asking myself "why did it have to take me this long to know the true disciples of Christ?"

Empiree:
this means that real population of Christians in Nigeria is probably in hundreds bcus based on your theory some 90% of Christians are not upright. Therefore they aren't Christians. Correct?

Matthew 7:13-14

MaxInDHouse:


Sorry my friend we eat all kinds of meat that's eatable!
As for our calmness that's what Jesus taught us, we must respect people's beliefs and opinion no matter how stupid it may sound to us, as long as the person is ready to discuss with us we must accord him/her due respect.

So you eat dirty meat. Bible forbid consumption of pork Leviticus 11:27,. Don't tell me Jesus cancelled this

oteneaaron:

So what makes you different from them when you both follow ONLY what your religious leaders tell you to do?

We make peace with our neighbours {John 14:26-27} while they incite their neighbours to rage.
We preach against worldly governments while they claim they can practice politics better than other religions.
So when we are friendly with our neighbours but have issues with worldly authorities trying to recruit you as soldiers to die for them, the authorities on the other hand are the ones who do come after us because if everyone becomes Jehovah's Witnesses they won't have zombies fighting for their glory!