alcuin:


Same USA that was defeated conventionally in Vietnam and Afghanistan? Or is there another USA you are talking about here?

US defeated in Aghanistan? Where did you School and how old are you? Define Defeat!

By the way, US was not defeated in Vietnam, The was agreement reached and signed and the Next President decided to pull out US troops, even with that, the way still lasted years without US.

Define defeat!

BritishNaija:


Mr, You have Zero knowledge about Country Military capability. Russia Military is shitty to that of US, Take it or leave it.

Oga, bring facts. Some making blanket statements, we are not idiots here.

The other guy has stated facts and cited examples that can be verified. You should do same.

Svlla:


If you can't prove what you said then you're not a smart person I must say.

What Airforce claim. Mr mahn i beat you in this game. Your claim about US having 2 5th generation airframe and Russia having just Su57 is lame. Because Russia has What US will not have in the next 10 years
1. Russia has 5 known hypersonic systems both ballistic and cruise that can carry both conventional and nuclear warhead, US is decade behind China
2. Russian has a working hypersonic glyde vehicle US is no where to be found. None, even in development
3. Russia has Ballistic missiles (ICBM) RS28 that has the longest range and can fly across poles neglecting magnetic field effect and can change course mid flight
US has nothing of these nature and is still in awe at Russia
4. Russia has the best air defence systems in the world s500 known to take out hypersonic missiles (US don't have) s400 that can take out aeroballistic threats and the 5th generation US fighters. US best airdefence is still compared with Russian s300 in defence forums
4. Russia has the world only Nuclear powered tornadoe capable of lying in wait anywhere in the world sea bed and can strike any city in the world without range limit. US is still trying to wrap its head around it after initially calling it bluff
5. Russia still has the world only nuclear powered cruise missile. The collective West does not understand this weapon

So you see, instead of being always stupid with you pedantic approach to learning you should be more open minded especially when discussing with people that are many times more informed than you

Like I said earlier, everything in west arsenal has a Russian countermeasure

but the West doesn't have anything close to Russia new strategic weapons or an analogous to them and even the West that you're now playing herald to have admitted this claims

Your stupid ass needs some serous spanking and your coconut head need some serious knocking

The east is responsible for Over 90% of chips in the world

I will be coming with prove but before then I await your prove of Russia depending on the West for chips

Prove it or your ignorance is forever incurable

Please, stop arguing with him.

He just repeats same thing over and over without tangible proof and records. He's using emotions rather than facts to make his case.

Just a small research would have shown him that Taiwan makes 90% of chips and that's why there's lot of interest in the country today.

Sometimes, you should learn to stop arguing with people when it's obvious that they don't know about the subject.

Personally, I was waiting for just one single fact or incident to prove his point but none, except blanket statements.

alcuin:


Oga, bring facts. Some making blanket statements, we are not idiots here.

The other guy has stated facts and cited examples that can be verified. You should do same.

What facts he stated? Or you missed mine? Are you talking about the one that booted from Coming to Quora or another?

BritishNaija:


US defeated in Aghanistan? Where did you School and how old are you? Define Defeat!

By the way, US was not defeated in Vietnam, The was agreement reached and signed and the Next President decided to pull out US troops, even with that, the way still lasted years without US.

Define defeat!

Do you think we are illiterate
It was a huge disgrace

USA has not won any war since ww2

Russia has won more

ken6488:


Do you think we are illiterate
It was a huge disgrace

USA has not won any war since ww2

Russia has won more

Arguing with you is like arguing with stone; There is No live and It's a wast of time. But that does not change the fact that US is Russia Big Brother in miliatry.

BritishNaija:


What facts he stated? Or you missed mine? Are you talking about the one that booted from Coming to Quora or another?

Oh, the railgun one.

Dude, that's like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Please, bring real incidents, combat experience. I really want to learn what you know about the USA military that makes Russia no match.

That Svlly guy, has mentioned scenarios where USA military toys were picked up and blown away in Syria by relatively lower tech Russia toys.

What we need is you telling us when and where that Russians have had their ass handed over to them militarily by the US. It shouldn't be that hard na.

We are all learning.

But, please stop making statements like "Russia is no match for the USA" without proofs, it truly makes you look stupid.

And saying that USA military techs are classified, and that's the ONLY reason you believe that USA will BOSS Russia simply show that you are hiding your ignorance. That's not good enough for someone who has Avionics experience and worked with radars.

Please, convince me. Thank you.

BritishNaija:


Arguing with you is like arguing with stone; There is No live and It's a wast of time. But that does not change the fact that US is Russia Big Brother in miliatry.

Name one war USA has won Alone since ww2 I will name two for Russia

ken6488:
Name one war USA has won Alone since ww2 I will name two for Russia

Like I said, arguing with you is wast of time, you have been repeating this staledines for months now. That does not change the fact that US will boxed Russia in a conventional war.

alcuin:


Oh, the railgun one.

Dude, that's like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Please, bring real incidents, combat experience. I really want to learn what you know about the USA military that makes Russia no match.

That Svlly guy, has mentioned scenarios where USA military toys were picked up and blown away in Syria by relatively lower tech Russia toys.

What we need is you telling us when and where that Russians have had their ass handed over to them militarily by the US. It shouldn't be that hard na.

We are all learning.

But, please stop making statements like "Russia is no match for the USA" without proofs, it truly makes you look stupid.

And saying that USA military techs are classified, and that's the ONLY reason you believe that USA will BOSS Russia simply show that you are hiding your ignorance. That's not good enough for someone who has Avionics experience and worked with radars.

Please, convince me. Thank you.

Please tell me the US toys being taken out in Syria, Please name the toys, so i can give you a befitting answer. And do not forget that Russia toys have been taken out as Far Back as In Iraq war and same is currently happening in Ukraine.

Do not also forget that a weapon is Good as best by the operators.
US solders are far more Trained and equipped than Russia counterparts.
Imagine sending a tank Into street battle without infantry supports, and Aerial cover, that is to show you how badly trained and equipped they are.
Please tell me the US toys being taken out in Syria and if they are operated or manned by US soldiers, I'm waiting.

BritishNaija:


Like I said, arguing with you is wast of time, you have been repeating this staledines for months now. That does not change the fact that US will boxed Russia in a conventional war.

US will boxed Russia in a conventional war how exactly? How sure Russia will not win them

What basic is your theory on

Or Russia lost a war to USA before

Your report is too bias

BritishNaija:


Please tell me the US toys being taken out in Syria, Please name the toys, so i can give you a befitting answer. And do not forget that Russia toys have been taken out as Far Back as In Iraq war and same is currently happening in Ukraine.

Do not also forget that a weapon is Good as best by the operators.
US solders are far more Trained and equipped than Russia counterparts.
Imagine sending a tank Into street battle without infantry supports, and Aerial cover, that is to show you how badly trained and equipped they are.
Please tell me the US toys being taken out in Syria and if they are operated or manned by US soldiers, I'm waiting.

It seems you have not been following the thread yourself. Please, go back and read this reply by Svlly and let's start from there.

https://www.nairaland.com/7200160/breaking-nato-edges-closer-war/2#114236404

In case, you did not click on the link, here is it

Taking about sead and dead and America ruling your skies and where have you seen this happen

American Airforce that Shot over 100 missiles and yet the Syrian military was able to eliminate about 80% of this aerial threat using Buk M1 and Pantsir

American Airforce is shit. Syria shot down American F16 with Pantsir S1

The so called stealth of America's most modern 5th generation Air superiority fighters have been proven by analysts and military expert to be vulnerable to Russian S400 no wonder Turkey went for S400 and abandoned all plan for F35.
Even after US offered to purchase the s400 from Turkey in exchange for F35 (wow, what a lucrative deal cool but no thank you) the Turks refused to handover their Russian made S400 Air defence system

If Ukraine war is to prove anything, it is the air superiority of Russian Air defence systems. The Pantsir, BukM1, Buk M2 and Tor M has shot down every piece of flying object in Ukraine. Wonder what the S400 will do?

Russian radar just detected US F35 (so called stealth) patrolling near Ukrainian border and around the black sea ahead of NATO summit just barely 24hours ago....the flight path was even charted.

So much for stealth grin grin

Have you wondered why the West refused to send aircrafts to Ukraine while they have the famed B2, B22, F22, F16, F35 and so on

While so they opt to send borrowed NASAM instead of Patriots Pac3 to Ukraine. It will be another round of failure just like in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel

BTW...Russia has enough Hypersonic missiles of mach6+ (Iskander) Mach 8 (Tsirkon) Mach 12+ (Khinzal) to turn the entire US nave to a bunch of scrap metals.

NB: there's no US missiles defence that can stop this missiles yet if you think there is any then show me and prove me wrong

ken6488:

US will boxed Russia in a conventional war how exactly? How sure Russia will not win them

What basic is your theory on

Or Russia lost a war to USA before

Your report is too bias

Good question. First of all, Russia built their Military on defensive doctrine, this is why they built so many S-defence Missile Systems back home.

US on the other hand, apart from having defensive abilities, they are formidable offensive force, T
they literally brings the War to you, their Aircraft Carriers gave them clear advantage of that, and Russia bearly have a smoky Aircraft carrier.

If a War not Nuclear But conventional War broke out between Russia and the US, the Ocean is a big barrier, and US have advantage because of their Aircraft carrier, so they won in that department.

Russia so depend and hope on it S-400, that they are lost in touch with reality that US have several air to surface weapons that locks on any radio wave emitting hardwares like that of radars and destroy them. I do not want to talk about the radar jamming roles of US Aircraft like the F-15 and others,they Simply jam the radars of the S-400 and get them knocked out.
When it comes to Aircraft and Air superiority, US wins.
Manority of their Air supprioty fighter jets are so modernized and integrated in avionics that lets say, when A jet in Lagos acquire targets, it can relay that same targets in real time via it avionics to Jets in Abuja or elswhere, If the one in Lagos in out of armour to destroy the target, the one In Abuja can attack same target from Abuja through the target acquisition of the jet In Lagos, Russia jets lag behind on this.

Do we need to talk about Army and procurements? US Army are equiped and trained to fight day and night, Infact US Military like hitting you in the night when you won't see it coming.
US Army helicopters like the Apache and others are all equipped with night mission capabilities, look at russia, no night mission capability from their Helicopters because that will be a suicide mission.

I can go on and on in comparison why the US is not only better, well trained and tell equipped than Russia, and will defeat Russia. This is not a rocket science, the Military budgets is enough to tell you that US Always want the best for it Military.

alcuin:


It seems you have not been following the thread yourself. Please, go back and read this reply by Svlly and let's start from there.

https://www.nairaland.com/7200160/breaking-nato-edges-closer-war/2#114236404

In case, you did not click on the link, here is it

The guy was clowning, was it America attacking Syria with F-16 or Isreal? He was trying to bring Israel in, so i ignored that.

The moment he said Where and when have America performed SEAD and DEAD, that gave him up and shows he does not know What that was. It was performed clearly in Gulfwar and got Sadam AirDefence Capabilities destroyed.

BritishNaija:


The guy was clowning, was it America attacking Syria with F-16 or Isreal? He was trying to bring Israel in, so i ignored that.

The moment he said Where and when have America performed SEAD and DEAD, that gave him up and shows he does not know What that was. It was performed clearly in Gulfwar and got Sadam AirDefence Capabilities destroyed.

Do you have a comprehension problem?

Aren't we talking about military toys in the thread ever since? Does it matter if it is Israel or USA? The point remains that F-16 (USA military tech) was shot down by Pantsir S1 (Russian tech). And that proves his point. Does it not?

Do you know that some military experts even put Israeli SAM or GTAM David ahead of USA Patriot?

alcuin:


Do you have a comprehension problem?

Aren't we talking about military toys in the thread ever since? Does it matter if it is Israel or USA? The point remains that F-16 (USA military tech) was shot down by Pantsir S1 (Russian tech). And that proves his point. Does it not?

Do you know that some military experts even put Israeli SAM or GTAM David ahead of USA Patriot?

If you know why we are arguing, you should know our arguement was never about a country using US made hardwares, Looks like you are the one with the comprehension problem.

Our argument was strictly on US vs Russia and not Israel Flying US made Jets.

If you want us to talk about Israel, Then we do.

You said GTAM of Israel is ahead of Patriot, that is not and issue, US can't lead in all departments in different weapons, But when it comes to overall, after plus and minus, They remain the winner, that is what matters.

BritishNaija:



Good question. First of all, Russia built their Military on defensive doctrine, this is why they built so many S-defence Missile Systems back home.

US on the other hand, apart from having defensive abilities, they are formidable offensive force, T
they literally brings the War to you, their Aircraft Carriers gave them clear advantage of that, and Russia bearly have a smoky Aircraft carrier.

If a War not Nuclear But conventional War broke out between Russia and the US, the Ocean is a big barrier, and US have advantage because of their Aircraft carrier, so they won in that department.

Russia so depend and hope on it S-400, that they are lost in touch with reality that US have several air to surface weapons that locks on any radio wave emitting hardwares like that of radars and destroy them. I do not want to talk about the radar jamming roles of US Aircraft like the F-15 and others,they Simply jam the radars of the S-400 and get them knocked out.
When it comes to Aircraft and Air superiority, US wins.
Manority of their Air supprioty fighter jets are so modernized and integrated in avionics that lets say, when A jet in Lagos acquire targets, it can relay that same targets in real time via it avionics to Jets in Abuja or elswhere, If the one in Lagos in out of armour to destroy the target, the one In Abuja can attack same target from Abuja through the target acquisition of the jet In Lagos, Russia jets lag behind on this.

Do we need to talk about Army and procurements? US Army are equiped and trained to fight day and night, Infact US Military like hitting you in the night when you won't see it coming.
US Army helicopters like the Apache and others are all equipped with night mission capabilities, look at russia, no night mission capability from their Helicopters because that will be a suicide mission.

I can go on and on in comparison why the US is not only better, well trained and tell equipped than Russia, and will defeat Russia. This is not a rocket science, the Military budgets is enough to tell you that US Always want the best for it Military.

Russia will not risk a conventional war with NATO or USA

This ww2

It will be done with buttons

Svlla:


Who doesn't know quora is western bias and you're looking for help but then I will post a topic on quora and share a link here for you and I to do each other.

And I bet you, it's going to be on radar

You want it to be Russia vs US on a western forum funny man

It's going to be on radar

Mark this space. I will share the link here in 2hours time

@BritishNaija

https://www.quora.com/unanswered/Can-the-AGM-88E-HARM-misiles-of-F16-F35-take-out-a-S300V-9S15MT-BILL-BOARD-all-round-surveillance-radar-in-a-hypothetical-scenario-and-at-what-range-considering-EW-and-jamming-capabilities-of-both-side

Remove the dot between quora in the link, I don't want seuns bot tailing my ar.se I just posted that question now

Pls reply with respect to burnthrough range, jamming range and other radar detection of both systems

Clue: the typical radar of S300 is the S-band 91N6E

The Topic is on S300V vs F16, F18

alcuin:


Please, stop arguing with him.

He just repeats same thing over and over without tangible proof and records. He's using emotions rather than facts to make his case.

Just a small research would have shown him that Taiwan makes 90% of chips and that's why there's lot of interest in the country today.

Sometimes, you should learn to stop arguing with people when it's obvious that they don't know about the subject.

Personally, I was waiting for just one single fact or incident to prove his point but none, except blanket statements.

True

The back and forth is just fun for me. Am trying to pick his brain

Svlla:


@BritishNaija

https://www.quora.com/unanswered/Can-the-AGM-88E-HARM-misiles-of-F16-F35-take-out-a-S300V-9S15MT-BILL-BOARD-all-round-surveillance-radar-in-a-hypothetical-scenario-and-at-what-range-considering-EW-and-jamming-capabilities-of-both-side

Remove the dot between quora in the link, I don't want seuns bot tailing my ar.se I just posted that question now

Pls reply with respect to burnthrough range, jamming range and other radar detection of both systems

Clue: the typical radar of S300 is the S-band 91N6E

I told you not fo dare bring your lack of knowledge to Quora, ahahaha, you are Being decimated.and schooled from the first reply.


I warned you, But you pushed your luck too far.

BritishNaija:


I told you not fo dare bring your lack of knowledge to Quora, ahahaha, you are Being decimated.and schooled from the first reply.


I warned you, But you pushed your luck too far.

You mean someone that replied "of course can" without giving any explanation



BritishNaija you don't know shit

Come and reply

So far I've only gotten 1 reply

Am in the mood to burn people ar.se on quora
Yours included

The link is there for everyone to see so am waiting for your reply

First schooling to your question

Second reply on quora

And BritishNaija is missing

Come on mate

Come and show your avionics and radar

BritishNaija:
First schooling to your question

Stop posting other people reply

Am waiting for yours

reply with respect to burnthrough range, jamming range and other radar detection of both systems

And like I said earlier

It's F16 vs S300

And not F35 like the other guys response

Svlla:


You mean someone that replied "of course can" without giving any explanation



BritishNaija you don't know shit

Come and reply

So far I've only gotten 1 reply

Am in the mood to burn people ar.se on quora
Yours included

The link is there for everyone to see so am waiting for your reply

Me, I will never help you, i told you i want to laugh at your delusions. Guy you people need to check that link and see how hes has been decimated and more coming, if you want to clown, limit it on nairaland, I'm Eating and Same time reading replies that shows your lack of knowledge like i keep telling. Lolz.

BritishNaija:



Me, I will never help you, i told you i want to laugh at your delusions. Guy you people need to check that link and see how hes has been decimated and more coming, if you want to clown, limit it on nairaland, I'm Eating and Same time reading replies that shows your lack of knowledge like i keep telling. Lolz.

Stop clowning

This is the link

https://www.quora.com/unanswered/Can-the-AGM-88E-HARM-misiles-of-F16-F35-take-out-a-S300V-9S15MT-BILL-BOARD-all-round-surveillance-radar-in-a-hypothetical-scenario-and-at-what-range-considering-EW-and-jamming-capabilities-of-both-side

And people can read and understand so don't be Dumb idiot

However I've brought the battle to your turf Quora

And I've told in what terms to reply; Jamming range and burnthrough range

If you can't do any of this then you're a fraud and all your claims about avionics are rubbish

Svlla:


Stop posting other people reply

Am waiting for yours

As long you are getting schooled, just like i was doing to you yesterday But you keep living in denial, i will leave them to bury you in quora while i Enjoy reading. Please do not forget, Try to reply blindly to those replies like you were do yesterday, i want to check something.

@BritishNaija

I've told you in what terms to reply
Burnthrough range, jamming range

And I've given you a clue:
S300V typical radar is the S-band 91N6E

I did this so you won't screenshot other peoples response as your own. There no where for you to hide.

Come on, reply and send a screenshot

BritishNaija:


As long you are getting schooled, just like i was doing to you yesterday But you keep living in denial, i will leave them to bury you in quora while i Enjoy reading. Please do not forget, Try to reply blindly to those replies like you were do yesterday, i want to check something.

You want to chicken out

Quora is my turf man as you can see

Let me make it easy for you

I will give you a 1 hour to make your research and reply
Don't be a lazy Nigerian youth
Don't be a coward. Reply me post

BritishNaija

1 hour, by 12noon sharp

If i don't see your reply then don't ever claim shit on this forum again

I've made it a whole easier for you Mr. Avionics

Svlla:


You want to chicken out

Quora is my turf man as you can see

Let me make it easy for you

I will give you a 1 hour to make your research and reply
Don't be a lazy Nigerian youth
Don't be a coward. Reply me post

Me reply you with Zero knowledge you have? Ah, that was done and dusted yesterday Before you decided to go and clown on quora and got schooled the more, I can't stop laughing.